Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 431 Location: North East England
Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject:
The video is clearly a fake, the dog doesn't look real and doesn't move, even when flying through the air. The dogs yelps are clearly dubbed on, and the soldiers uniforms look wrong, being plain sand colour when they should be disruptive pattern. It reminds me of the part in the film Anchorman when Jack Black drop-kicks Baxter off of a bridge.
Not saying that this sort of thing doesn't happen, it does, theres plenty of sicko's who would find this funny.
Last edited by wepmob2000 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:38 pm; edited 2 times in total
The video is clearly a fake, the dog doesn't look real and doesn't move, even when flying through the air. The dogs yelps are clearly dubbed on, and the soldiers uniforms look wrong, being plain sand colour when they should be disruptive pattern. It reminds me of the part in the film Anchorman when Jack Black drop-kicks Baxter off of a bridge.
Not saying that this sort of thing doesn't happen, it does, theres plenty of sicko's who would find this funny.
How on earth can you say this video is fake.
What do these war criminals have to do before people condemn them?
Thankfully this video was NOT a muslim they were being cruel to it was a dog.
That is why the AMERICAN HUMANE SOCIETY has stepped in and that is why this was ABC's lead story in the states. Youtube have banned the video which is why i reposted it on myspace, i want the UK to see exactly what a bunch of nasty bast@rds these American soldiers are.
They ofcourse do this to Iraqis and Afghans everyday but the public does not care now they have been cruel to a dog the American public is outraged.
To describe an obviously real video as fake really earns the tin foil hat.
I suppose this is fake too?
Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 374 Location: North East
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:17 am Post subject:
wepmob2000 wrote:
The video is clearly a fake, the dog doesn't look real and doesn't move, even when flying through the air. The dogs yelps are clearly dubbed on, and the soldiers uniforms look wrong, being plain sand colour when they should.
Then you know sod all about dogs.
It was being held by the scruff of the neck, like a bitch would carry a puppy. They instinctively don't move when they are held like that.
The scum in question has been tracked down to Hawaii I believe.
Kid yourself it's a fake if that helps you, but don't expect anyone else to believe that. You would be better getting your head out of the sand and seeing these people for the emotionless conditioned killers they have become.
The fact that Youtube keeps deleting it and the video still keeps spreading means people are interested in this video.
I cant see why this obvious news item is transfered to the 'dustbin'
Emotionally castrated Neo-Cons are doing everything in their power to downplay shameful scenes of U.S. Marines throwing a puppy off a cliff in Iraq, while others are openly and sickeningly lamenting the fact that the poor victim was just a puppy and not an Iraqi baby.
Shocking video shows two Marines talking on the edge of a cliff as one holds up a puppy by the scruff of its neck. The soldier then tosses the dog over the side of the cliff as it yelps in panic.
Neo-Cons have reacted by claiming the video is fake or that the puppy is already dead before it is thrown off the cliff.
Michelle Malkin's Hot Air blog attempts to analyze what a puppy would sound like when thrown off a cliff (how on earth would they know?) and makes out that the yelping noises are edited in to the video. The post also claims that the puppy is motionless and therefore probably already dead before it is tossed over the side of the cliff.
As one of the respondents points out, "When you hold a puppy, or a kitten for that matter, by the nape of it’s neck…much the way it’s mother would pick it up, the legs go limp, and there is usually no struggle. It kinda puts the young animal in a catatonic, relaxed state."
Having previously worked closely with a vetanarian, Alex Jones confirms that such behavior would be expected for a puppy when picked up by the scruff of its neck.
The Neo-Con's attempt to deny the reality of the shocking video, even after one of the Marines in the clip was identified by his Marine corps base in Hawaii, again highlights the childish nature of how they stick their heads in the sand and pretend something doesn't exist when it completely contradicts the mythical pretense of the sanctity of the war in Iraq.
The Marines have publicly deplored the video and made it clear that they know who the Marine in the clip is - a lance corporal who returned to Hawaii in October from Iraq - so to still claim it's a fake video is beyond twilight zone levels of delusion.
The fact that some can't entertain the notion that troops could bring themselves do to this underscores the myopic nature of their world view.
When a government sets the standard that torture is justified this is what happens, people become dehumanized to the point where they treat humans as animals and are fully prepared to torture and kill animals for the purposes of a sick joke.
In addition, despite the admitted atrocities committed at Abu Ghraib and other torture camps, including raping children and beating people to death, the fact that a puppy causes more outrage reflects on how the rest of society has also been dehumanized.
Even more disturbing is the fact that comments by Neo-Cons on the original You Tube clip which has now been pulled expressed sickening lament that the puppy was not in actual fact an Iraqi baby. Routinely. when we trace these comments back they lead to MySpace pages belonging to people who had served in Iraq.
These are the kind of people who, when we write an article detailing the building of concentration camps in America, will simultaneously deny the existence of those camps while calling for us to be incarcerated and tortured within them.
"Would it still be funny if he threw a 3 month old baby off a cliff?" asked a user called 'ehs332'.
"YES it would be funny but only if it was an IRAQI baby," he answers his own question.
The frightening thing is that these monsters are coming back and becoming cops, which is partly why we have seen an explosion in cases of extreme police brutality since 2003.
There is a steady legacy of abuses and atrocities coming out of Iraq that we have had the displeasure of watching online for years, so to learn of a puppy being thrown off a cliff is almost standard fare.
Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 374 Location: North East
Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:19 am Post subject:
karlos wrote:
The fact that Youtube keeps deleting it and the video still keeps spreading means people are interested in this video.
I cant see why this obvious news item is transfered to the 'dustbin'
I would guess because someone with mod powers has heard it described by one of the neo-con defenders as a fake without actually watching it.
Another example of heavy handed moderation here? (And I'm not even a Critic!)
Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 431 Location: North East England
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:42 am Post subject:
Sorry folks, but there are still elements of this video that do not ring entirely true, its always important to ensure the veracity of your source material, even when it does support your viewpoint.
-Even if the puppy is in some kind of catatonic state, it seems to fail to move even when flying through the air? Is this a catatonic state or rigor mortis?
-The sound of the yelps is clearly dubbed on, who did this and why? I doubt the marine in question has the brainpower to achieve such a feat?
-The marine in question is clearly wearing plain sand colour clothes, not the standard camouflage uniform......... why?
-Given that other shocking videos are clearly on Youtube, you have to wonder why they chose to remove this particular one, is it that someone at Youtube remembers the case of those famous pictures in the Daily Mirror?
For those who seem to have trouble reading; I say again, just because I harbour doubts about this video does not mean I deny such things happen. They do, and the armed forces have their fair share of sick psycho types, in fact even if this video is faked, I condemn the marine for his sick sense of humour. If the video is not faked, I really can't go along with Landless Peasant's advice not to hate these guys........ Also, for what its worth, none of the videos Landless Peasant provided links to looked at all faked IMHO. You have probably seen this before, but here's another videos that shows no sign of fakery.....
It is 100% real.
Firstly he is named in the video and he has been traced so the marine is a real person.
Secondly everyone agrees, he is wearing desert gear ( he is in the Iraqi desert) and he is wearing a flak vest.
You are totally wrong in saying he should be wearing camo.
ANY dog or cat or rabbit (and i have all three ) when picked up by the scruff goes still.
Go down to a pet shop and try it for yourself.
You have seen videos of soldiers shooting dogs and cats and sheep. You have seen videos of soldiers shooting Iraqis> You have seen news videos of US soldiers GANG RAPING IRAQI CHILDREN and then setting fire to them. You have read news reports of utter war crimes and depravity by US troops yet for some reason you still have a boulder in your eye and thing that this nonsense aint happening.
It is happening. These butchers need to be brought home today. Right now.
All of them.
By pretending the video is fake you are trying to EXCUSE it
According to a report of the UN Assistance Mission to Iraq, Iraqi police tortured a woman detained in Diwaniya police station since March 2005. The victim recounted that electric shocks were applied to her heels. She was told that her teenage daughter would be raped if she did not supply the information her interrogators wanted.
Human Rights Watch reported in July of that year that at least 400 women and girls as young as eight years old had been raped during or immediately after the war. now the total is more likely to be in the tens of thousands as soldiers commit war crimes during raids on houses and in prison camps.
Many women have been taken hostages tortured, and sexually abused. The sexual abuse, rape and torture against Iraqi women is not confined only to Western media-loved Abu Ghraib prison, but is "happening all across Iraq".
In addition, Iraq-based Union of Detainees and Prisoners (UDP) has reported the story of a mother of four who was detained in December, who killed herself after being raped by U.S. guards while they made her husband watch at Abu Ghraib prison
Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 431 Location: North East England
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:20 am Post subject:
karlos wrote:
It is 100% real.
Firstly he is named in the video and he has been traced so the marine is a real person.
Secondly everyone agrees, he is wearing desert gear ( he is in the Iraqi desert) and he is wearing a flak vest.
You are totally wrong in saying he should be wearing camo.
ANY dog or cat or rabbit (and i have all three ) when picked up by the scruff goes still.
Go down to a pet shop and try it for yourself.
You have seen videos of soldiers shooting dogs and cats and sheep. You have seen videos of soldiers shooting Iraqis> You have seen news videos of US soldiers GANG RAPING IRAQI CHILDREN and then setting fire to them. You have read news reports of utter war crimes and depravity by US troops yet for some reason you still have a boulder in your eye and thing that this * aint happening.
It is happening. These butchers need to be brought home today. Right now.
All of them.
By pretending the video is fake you are trying to EXCUSE it
According to a report of the UN Assistance Mission to Iraq, Iraqi police tortured a woman detained in Diwaniya police station since March 2005. The victim recounted that electric shocks were applied to her heels. She was told that her teenage daughter would be raped if she did not supply the information her interrogators wanted.
Human Rights Watch reported in July of that year that at least 400 women and girls as young as eight years old had been raped during or immediately after the war. now the total is more likely to be in the tens of thousands as soldiers commit war crimes during raids on houses and in prison camps.
Many women have been taken hostages tortured, and sexually abused. The sexual abuse, rape and torture against Iraqi women is not confined only to Western media-loved Abu Ghraib prison, but is "happening all across Iraq".
In addition, Iraq-based Union of Detainees and Prisoners (UDP) has reported the story of a mother of four who was detained in December, who killed herself after being raped by U.S. guards while they made her husband watch at Abu Ghraib prison
Eh? Did you actually read my post at all? Please show me where or how I'm trying to excuse the video and the marines actions, whether the video is faked or not? Please re-read my previous post(s).
The pup would surely not have been in a catatonic state when flying through the air, yet there is no sign of movement? This may suggest it was already dead (or a stuffed dog, or a model, or......).
I'd like to know who 'everyone' is with regard to the military uniform, because 'everyone' is talking out of their proverbial. Standard U.S military uniform is Disruptive Pattern (Camouflage) in either woodland or desert colour or the new universal 'Digital' DPM that is being phased in right now, the fact the marine is not wearing his issued uniform should ring at least a few alarm bells or pose a few questions..........
I also suppose 'everyone' denies that the yelping sound is clearly dubbed on, and 'everyone' accepts this sounds as it should and no further questions are needed?
I'd really like to know how I deny these sort of things happen, when I provide links to videos and start threads with cut and paste accounts of these horrors?
Incidentally, for what its worth, I have a friend who told me that some soldiers shoot the dogs that roam Iraq and Afghanistan just for kicks. He did a tour in both countries with the British Army, including the original Op Telic, he was appalled, but such things do and will happen. I have no reason to disbelieve him.....
Let me re-state once again, I do not deny these horrors are happening every day, the vast majority of atrocity videos posted do not look at all suspicious to me, there are a few features of the 'puppy' video that do not ring entirely true.
Frankly I'm baffled by your argument, I'm amazed that anyone who posts on a predominately 'conspiracy' forum will just unquestioningly accept any material at face value........?! (But I like the style of the Dalmation in Blackbears video:-)
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You have seen videos of soldiers shooting dogs and cats and sheep. You have seen videos of soldiers shooting Iraqis> You have seen news videos of US soldiers GANG RAPING IRAQI CHILDREN and then setting fire to them. You have read news reports of utter war crimes and depravity by US troops yet for some reason you still have a boulder in your eye and thing that this * aint happening.
It is happening. These butchers need to be brought home today. Right now.
whilst i condem such actions by any soliders(U.S. or otherwise) and agree with the statement they should be bought home. i have to point out and say you cannot tar all american soliders and only american soliders with same brush. i am certain there are many soldiers who have compassion for other life and are trying their best to do a good job under the conditions they are in. yes there are over the top and out of order actions commited by some troops and it is by no means a good thing.
hatred for all caused by a few is what is causing problems in this world, so i just wanted to point it out. its a vicous circle that needs ending.
9/11 happened and a lot of americans were angry, they went into afghanistan and iraq with that anger, and some soldiers took out their anger on innocent people who really meant no harm and proberbly condemed the 9/11 attacks themselves. innocent people who did'nt hate america lost loved ones and close family for doing nothing. they inturn then get angry and start to tar all american soldiers as barbarians and inturn target them. the soldiers caught up and targetted were proberbly trying to do a good job and did'nt do anything against iraqi's. the victims friend on duty who just lost their friend, then get angry and target more iraqi's in revenge.
and on it goes, with innocent people who have never done anything against the opposite side being caught up or targeted on purpose.
lets not make the same mistake with targetting u.s. troops with hate due to a few corrupt evil troops due to this dog video and others.
yes the actions should be condemed and those involved deserve all they get, but lets not blame those who are innocent by tarring all american troops as the same.
the sooner everyone stops grouping people and targetting them all due to the actions of a few, the better things will be and the less people have to lose their lives or be targetted for nothing, which will just induce yet more hate if it continues.
the same thing applies to isreal/palestine situation. revenge solves nothing it only induces more hate and more problems.
peace is when you target the few who are actually responsible or about to commit an evil act. war is when you target a whole race/nation of the innocent due to the evil actions of a few.
don't fall into the trap of hate, only the innocent suffer.
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Joined: 03 Aug 2006 Posts: 431 Location: North East England
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:46 am Post subject:
Wise words Marky54, before tarring all the U.S troops with the same brush, at the opposite end of the scale lets not forget the marine who rescued a dog from Baghdad.
ok i accept what youre saying
i should have read your post properly
funny thing is the dog may end up saving peoples lives because there has been a big outrage over this event
the American public are more shocked by the killing of a puppy than that of Iraqi, Afghan or Palestinian children _________________
Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 374 Location: North East
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:41 am Post subject:
wepmob2000 wrote:
-Even if the puppy is in some kind of catatonic state, it seems to fail to move even when flying through the air? Is this a catatonic state or rigor mortis?
Neither. It's paws have nothing to push against so why would it move other than being subject to force acting upon it from the throw.
wepmob2000 wrote:
-The sound of the yelps is clearly dubbed on, who did this and why? I doubt the marine in question has the brainpower to achieve such a feat?
Clearly dubbed on? What brought you to that conclusion?
wepmob2000 wrote:
-The marine in question is clearly wearing plain sand colour clothes, not the standard camouflage uniform......... why?
Because that is the standard battle dress for the location.
wepmob2000 wrote:
-Given that other shocking videos are clearly on Youtube, you have to wonder why they chose to remove this particular one
Simply because this video has gone viral and is highly critical of the US armed forces. It has attracted negative attention from the media across the world.
To continue to suggest this is somehow faked with a toy that suddenly appeared in a combat zone seems bizarre in the extreme.
The real measure on whether to hate US troops will be to see the course of action taken by the Corps against the featured marine, the camera operator and the person who uploaded the video in the first place if they are all serving personnel.
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