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Anthony Lawson Validated Poster
Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 370 Location: Phuket, Thailand
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: Are some Israelis waking up? |
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/957536.html
Something bad is happening to us
By Haaretz Editorial
Three years ago, the CBS television network broadcast photos of American soldiers abusing prisoners in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. The horrifying pictures led to the trials of eight soldiers, dismissals and a storm of outrage in America. At the trial of one prison guard, who was sentenced to eight years in jail, a psychologist gave his evaluation: that the man was an entirely ordinary person, without any particular violent tendencies, who served as a guard for many years in civilian life but never behaved sadistically toward American prisoners. The situation of occupier and occupied, as opposed to that of citizen versus citizen, causes ordinary people to become violent and lose restraint. At Abu Ghraib, the trial found, there was institutionalized contempt at every level. The prison guards understood that "this is the way to behave here."
Last night, the investigative television program "Fact" broadcast pictures of our own Abu Ghraib affair. It is doubtful whether a country that has grown used to 40 years of occupation, and the stories that accompany it, will be shocked. We have become accustomed to treating the Palestinians as inferior people.
Generations come and go, and new soldiers abuse the residents of occupied Hebron in almost the same manner. Stories similar to those broadcast last night were exposed by the Breaking the Silence group three years ago. The saying "occupation corrupts" has become a slogan of the left instead of a warning signal to everyone.
This time, it was regular soldiers in the Kfir Brigade. They exposed their backsides and sexual organs to Palestinians, pressed an electric heater to the face of a young boy, beat young boys senseless, recorded everything on their mobile phones and sent it to their friends. One of their "mischievous acts" was to test how long a Palestinian who was being choked could survive without breathing. When he passed out, the experiment was stopped. The soldiers described activities to "break the routine" that consisted entirely of abuse. It was enough for a boy "to look at us the wrong way" for him to be beaten.
Earlier, at the trial of First Lieutenant Yaakov Gigi, officers spoke of burnout, of "something bad happening to the brigade," of a Wild West, of a moral crisis. The commander of the brigade, Colonel Itai Virov, said "we failed on several parameters." His words reflect a denial of the depth of the failure. This continuing routine, far from the eyes of the commanders, must lead to a series of investigations, and perhaps to dismissals as well. It is unconscionable for the head of the Hebron Brigade, the division commander, the GOC Central Command and even the chief of staff to ignore the ongoing behavior of soldiers in the brigade responsible for routine security in the West Bank. Colonel Virov admitted that there was a conspiracy of silence in the brigade - in other words, a norm of abuse and its concealment. To change norms, one has to shock and be shocked, not be satisfied with a few imprisonments and empty words about a loss of values.
Perfectly ordinary people, as the American psychologist said of the Abu Ghraib abusers, are capable of behaving like monsters when they receive a message from the top that it is permissible to abuse, beat, choke, burn, make people miserable and generally do anything that man's evil genius is capable of inventing to others who are under their control. Something bad is happening to us, they are saying in the Kfir Brigade. That "something" is the occupation.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/957536.html _________________ The truth won't set you free, but identifying the liars could help make the world a better place. |
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Stefan Banned
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Anthony,
As much as the western media will show you as little of the abuse of Palestinians as is possible, there is an even bigger embargo on showing Israeli opposition to their own governments crimes.
There has always been Israeli activists against the occupation, against the treatment of Palestinians, against the theft of land, destruction of property, therft of resources, murder and torture of their government - who want Israel to exist but with pre -67 borders.
Perhaps rather than waking up they are starting to shout louder. _________________
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Anthony Lawson Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: Good point |
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Good point
Stefan wrote: |
Perhaps rather than waking up they are starting to shout louder. |
Thank you. _________________ The truth won't set you free, but identifying the liars could help make the world a better place. |
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insidejob Validated Poster
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 475 Location: North London
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: Oh, come on! |
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What'd ya mean Israelis are waking up to their version of Abu Ghraib? It was Israelis who taught the US soldiers and contractors how to abuse Iraqis. |
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Anthony Lawson Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: Re: Oh, come on! |
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Another good point
insidejob wrote: | What'd ya mean Israelis are waking up to their version of Abu Ghraib? It was Israelis who taught the US soldiers and contractors how to abuse Iraqis. |
Although it has to be said that, for an item like this to appear in an Israeli newspaper's editorial column must mean that the forces of evil are now being recognised, which has to be a step in the right direction. _________________ The truth won't set you free, but identifying the liars could help make the world a better place. |
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Thermate911 Angel - now passed away
Joined: 16 Jul 2007 Posts: 1451 Location: UEMS
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Good post, Anthony.
Unfortunately it is entirely ineffective at this time due to the pervasive global level of lies, fear and loathing most Jews in Palestine are subjected to daily.
Sure, 'conscious ignorance' is the key yet I know many ex-Israeli's who have 'woken up' and left Palestine altogether.
Perhaps significant numbers will start another diaspora once more brave and intelligent journalists within and without Palestine find their articles being accepted? The trend seems to increasing - not that this helps the Palestinians much, as soon they may be left to face 'just' the psychopaths and their puppets...
After all, even war criminal Heinz and his CFR/Trilateral buddies-in-crime can't keep the truth from seeping out forever, despite his enormous 'holdings' in the West Bank. _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
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Reflecter Validated Poster
Joined: 27 Mar 2006 Posts: 486 Location: Manchester
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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I found this ex IDF soldiers group to be a positive step forward
Breaking the Silence
http://www.shovrimshtika.org/index_e.asp _________________ The Peoples United Collective TPUC.ORG
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