Then he vanished. Now he comes back after a few years’ absence, to inform us that the UK’s top 9/11 site is going to be terminated this June.
Wrong. The forum will not necessarily be terminated (and whether it is or is not is down to the committee and not Simon). What Simon said is that it will just not be hosted on his URL. Big difference. And what Simon intends to do or not do with his URL is pure speculation on your part.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: whats the latest with arjen?
xmasdale wrote:
If the offer made by Arjen, I think, of the Amsterdam group is serious (I have no reason to believe it is not) they will host this website for free. So no reason for you to fork out, Tony.
any news about this kind offer? _________________ "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" Martin Luther king
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: supporting tonys proposal re forum.
Supporting tonys proposal
to discuss at the agm the proposal
1) get a new url which means a name change
2) the name to reflect 911 and the wider picture
3) the forum then to be run by a collective who maybe? put themselves forward via the agm or if they cant be present, by proxy.
(ie seperate entity from the 911 camapign and not reliant or controlled by just one individual)
4)once the collective has control, decisions about the organisation of the forum is up to them.
5) if possible, for the collective to open a bank account so that the collective buys the domain name ensuring no one person can dictate over the rest.
hence the forum is a seperate entity from the 911 campaign.
(hpe thats clear enough now.) _________________ "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" Martin Luther king
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject:
Thanks for resisting the temptation to turn this thread onto a barney about the holocaust.
In the meantime I hope it's clear that on my watch there will always be room here for respectful discussion of all peripheral issues affecting the global military, social and economic crisis.
What I can't stand is when people get personal and rude which just flags them up as someone who is here primarily to satisfy their ego or bully people into agreeing with them - rather than get to the truth.
We will be migrating this site in abt. 3 weeks time. The site will probably be down for 48 hours then re-emerge on a new domain.
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: Tony Gosling — Dictating what is Acceptable
Tony Gosling — Dictating what is Acceptable
Tony Gosling wrote:
Thanks for resisting the temptation to turn this thread onto a barney about the holocaust.
In the meantime I hope it's clear that on my watch there will always be room here for respectful discussion of all peripheral issues affecting the global military, social and economic crisis.
What I can't stand is when people get personal and rude which just flags them up as someone who is here primarily to satisfy their ego or bully people into agreeing with them - rather than get to the truth.
Your first paragraph is a ploy straight out of the ADL’s book on how to stifle any discussion about Israel. The word “holocaust” does not appear on page one of this thread, it appears once on page two and five times (twice in quotations) on page three. In none of these instances is the holocaust the subject of a discussion or a “barney”, nor does it appear likely that anything of the sort is about to happen. What you must mean, therefore, is that no discussion about the role of Israel, in world affairs, will be tolerated here.
Your second paragraph is an attempt to prove that what you’ve written in your fist paragraph is not an attack on free speech.
If your final paragraph refers to my remarks about your edicts as having a hint of Nazism in them, you have only yourself to blame. As for bullying, you are overtly, and, apparently, unilaterally dictating to people what they may or may not write on this forum. If that is not a form of bullying, I would like to know what is.
Having stuck to this forum, for some years (my published joining date is incorrect), and becoming a “Validated Poster” (whatever that means), and, on one occasion sounded out about becoming a moderator, by you, Mr Gosling, I now find it impossible to continue to contribute to a forum in which you have any say on what is acceptable or not acceptable as a topic for discussion. If you wish to stick your head in the sand and ignore what myself and many other reasonably observant and intelligent people believe to be a clear and present danger... in your words:
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...affecting the global military, social and economic crisis
...that is your affair, and that of those who are prepared to allow you to dictate to them.
Can anyone recommend a 9/11 Truth forum which does not appear to have been taken over by the Anti Defamation League or any other body which advocates censorship when the role that Israel is currently playing in all of our lives comes up for discussion?
Anthony _________________ The truth won't set you free, but identifying the liars could help make the world a better place.
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject:
Firstly I am sorry to hear of the change over of all those involved in the forum and the campaigns running and I just wish to thank everyone thus far involved in all their respective actions.
The forum has been a useful resource of minds exchanging invaluable information, even if at times people are at each others throats. That is to be expected though in the realms of passionate people, desperately trying to sort wheat from chaff in important areas for the safety of future generations at the hands of our manipulative leaders. The truth and finding it, seems to require a basic level of paranoia and distrust of all potential sources of information, incase it is dis-info and designed to divide rather than unite those who are seeking a better society. So fights are to be expected.
I would like to back Xmasdales thoughts that this is not to be seen in a negative way for the campaign but as a re-birth, of hopefully something more effective. The timing is also appropriate for such a rising from the ashes.
Though I am only a small contributor to the forum and rarely offering anything worthy of even commenting upon, I should like to thank everyone here, regardless of their stances on any issue, for their valuable and informative posts.
Anthony said:
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Can anyone recommend a 9/11 Truth forum which does not appear to have been taken over by the Anti Defamation League or any other body which advocates censorship when the role that Israel is currently playing in all of our lives comes up for discussion?
I'd recommend http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/index.php by 9/11 Author Ryan Dawson where all roads point to Israel, from a purely anti-zionist stance. Though they are intolerant of illuminati, masonic & lizard type theories, in favour of nameable criminals who have been proven to have played a part in fabricating war intelligence and pushing for these conflicts of gain, for their conflicts of interests. Which seems fairly sensible.
Their latest film 'War by way of Deception' is below.
Link _________________ The Peoples United Collective TPUC.ORG
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject:
It's not really going to be a re-birthing.
The only thing that will change initially is the URL which Simon Aronowitz owns but doesn't want to pass over to us. It is rather annoying because lots of people have linked to the old domain - but it's Simon's perogative as owner of nineeleven.co.uk there's not a lot we can do.
Is spies4peace.org.uk supposed to be irony, am I suffering from a humor failure?
TonyGosling wrote:
People may have to re-register but that depends on whether or not we get the transfer right.
If you get a database dump and also the templates etc you should be able to recreate the site exactly as it is now, then if there is a httpd redirect from the old domain to the new one all the old links will still work...
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:33 am Post subject: Thank you
Thank you.
Reflecter wrote:
Anthony said:
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Can anyone recommend a 9/11 Truth forum which does not appear to have been taken over by the Anti Defamation League or any other body which advocates censorship when the role that Israel is currently playing in all of our lives comes up for discussion?
I'd recommend http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/index.php by 9/11 Author Ryan Dawson where all roads point to Israel, from a purely anti-zionist stance. Though they are intolerant of illuminati, masonic & lizard type theories, in favour of nameable criminals who have been proven to have played a part in fabricating war intelligence and pushing for these conflicts of gain, for their conflicts of interests. Which seems fairly sensible.
Thank you Reflecter, I'll check it out.
Anthony _________________ The truth won't set you free, but identifying the liars could help make the world a better place.
Allowing a moderator or even a member to call themselves F**kIsrael is definitely not the way to go, when attempting to promote discussion of the issues on a reasonable level.
That is the kind of site which plays right into the hands of the ADL, empowering their cries of anti-Semitism and racism.
I hope your recommendation does not reflect your opinion of me, or my opinions, but I rather suspect that it does. If so, the ADL is still in the ascendancy. _________________ The truth won't set you free, but identifying the liars could help make the world a better place.
The only thing that will change initially is the URL which Simon Aronowitz owns but doesn't want to pass over to us.
Ohh yeah, the bums rush!
You are being had Tony et al.
The URL is everything. All the "authority", the "pagerank", the linkbacks, everything that makes this forum important and searchable on the engines. THAT is being taken and that means you are 0, nada, starting from scratch. It will take you more than a year of intense work to get to the level of this site.
I can offer you a couple very good 911 domains very cheap. Almost a donation if you will. But I am international and they are .com
They also are new domains and have no authority, no rank, no linkbacks and are only valuable to someone who might like to be 911opinions, or 911coalition.com and will start to bring content on them.
What you are being bumed with here is a lack of understanding about a URL and how important "authority" is. You have a REALLY high rank in authority here. You let him steal your contributions to that and he can pump that out to any domain he wants when you are gone. It is like pumped up juice all waiting to spill to whomever it may link out to. The juice it has is all from your posts and links to this site to these posts.
This sites authority juice alone is worth thousands on the SEO market and it would not be used to promote the truth.
You do not have the traffic to make this site worth diddly squat but you have more important value as an authority website and THAT is what is being taken from you with the URL. The forum and content on a new URL will take over a year to get searched and more than 2 of high level participation to reach your current authority. The authority, linkback, and aging cannot pass to a new url even if the site is the original. The authority and age being most important. You are being screwed royal jelly like.
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:31 am Post subject:
Can you explain your reasoning?
I understand clearly why 9/11 should be in the title.
Since it was the key media spectacular event used as an excuse to launch World War III.
This is not an 'official' 9/11 campaign site - it is independent. The campaign site is here.
Stefan wrote:
I've somehow missed this conversation completly having been out of the loop latley - but this is something I've been discussing a lot lately.
I STRONGLY FEEL 9/11 SHOULD NOT BE IN THE URL OR THE FORUM TITLE
I feel passionately about this. I have been saying this for a long time through the past round of forum change discussions.
If we are going to keep a forum where "anything goes" within reason - then it absolutley should not be open to be construed as an official 9/11 site.
I am actually quite glad for the news as it will be a chance to right this wrong which I hope we will take.
Tony I am 100% with you on the benefits of a free-speech site where anything can go.
That is precicely why 9/11 should not be in the title.
Do we all agree that 9/11 is a subject we want to use to open the public's eyes?
That we want to present a credible front to this campaign and to convince the average de-politicised and uninformed person of the lies surrounding the official story of 9/11?
Then how does having 9/11 in a forum where everything from chemtrials to crop circles (and vampires ) can be discussed?
I'm all for broad discussion but not at the cost of shirking our respsonsibilities to present a front to 9/11 truth which the everyman and woman can see as logical and clearly defined.
I was 100% against the 9/11 The bigger picture and the quest for truth title when it was suggested, as I said vocally in emails at the time.
I know and we all know this is not the 9/11 campaign site - does the average passer by?
The tile needs to reflect the fact that 9/11 is just one of many topics being discussed - that it is a site where 9/11 is placed in the context of a bigger picture.
"The Bigger Picture Forum" would work just fine.
We could both name a thousands ways this forum is useful for seasoned 9/11 campaigners who want to go deeper down the rabbit hole.
Can you explain to me any way that this forum would help the 9/11 truth movement in terms of pr and strategy? _________________
The URL is everything. All the "authority", the "pagerank", the linkbacks, everything that makes this forum important and searchable on the engines. THAT is being taken and that means you are 0, nada, starting from scratch. It will take you more than a year of intense work to get to the level of this site
This is exactly what i have been trying to get across but you seem to have made it more explicit.
100% of the value is in the domain.
A new domain will take years to get established _________________
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:03 am Post subject:
Anthony said:
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Allowing a moderator or even a member to call themselves F**kIsrael is definitely not the way to go, when attempting to promote discussion of the issues on a reasonable level.
That is the kind of site which plays right into the hands of the ADL, empowering their cries of anti-Semitism and racism.
I hope your recommendation does not reflect your opinion of me, or my opinions, but I rather suspect that it does. If so, the ADL is still in the ascendancy.
My referral in no way reflects any opinion of mine of, or upon yourself.
My apologies if you find the site distasteful and I was equally surprised to notice the moderators handle that you mention.
The owner and its members would I am sure however, be happy to debate you as to whether they are anti-semitic or anti-zionist in their focus. They certainly tend to try to quash the idea that they are anti-semitic and their promoted evidence points only towards nameable zionists who have played a role in 9/11 and the lies that led to Afghanistan and Iraq's illegal occupation.
They are obviously anti the apartheid state of Israel as it currently exists aswell but I haven't seen much talk of 'da Joos' being behind everything (at all) without some form of evidence. Infact they tend to shun Daryl Bradford Smith and Hufschmid for just such reasons, aswell as other theorists of aforementioned ideas.
Sorry it wasn't your cup of tea but I was merely reminded of their site when you asked for open discussion of zionist involvement in 9/11.
Imhho whilst they haven't built a full case against anyone as of yet, they are a darn site closer to doing so than some areas of 9/11 research, thus far.
Tony, as for a re-birthing I wasn't particularly meaning the forum alone which will undergo probably minor changes but more the UK campaign itself which appears to be undergoing a complete change over of figure heads. This is to be welcomed, as perhaps any change is. We have no reason to suspect that the changes are malicious as we don't know the agendas of those past or pending, so to resist it is unwise and it may well prove to be beneficial. If not, we start again.
The Eyewitness blackbelt plumber has pointed out a genuine flaw in handing over the forums domain though but I guess we shall see what happens if that is the path we are forced to tread. _________________ The Peoples United Collective TPUC.ORG
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: Security
Security
astro3 wrote:
The Terminator Strikes Again
Old-timers will recall Simon Aronowitz’ decisive contribution to London's 9/11 movement, that of terminating our connection with the eccentric millionaire, benefactor Jimmy Walters. All those boxes of free DVS we used to get … Simon did that pretty much single-handed. Then he vanished. Now he comes back after a few years’ absence, to inform us that the UK’s top 9/11 site is going to be terminated this June. He wants to ‘put it out of its misery’, he explained to us last Saturday. Well, thanks so much. Its not as if wants to do anything else with it, IMO, as he has mothballed his ‘www.thoughtcrimenews.com’ website since 2005, due to pressure of work (he told me).
What are the security implications of Simon Aronowitz not wishing to transfer this URL from his ownership?
I have no idea who this guy is; how he thinks or who his associates are. Are all members' Private Messages going to be open for him to read? Personal thoughts, meant for one individual's eyes only? Adresses, telephone numbers or other personal information which may have been given to others, in confidence?
Who is this guy, who may have access to all of this?
We need to know! _________________ The truth won't set you free, but identifying the liars could help make the world a better place.
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: The Bigger Picture
Stefan wrote:
Quote:
I STRONGLY FEEL 9/11 SHOULD NOT BE IN THE URL OR THE FORUM TITLE
In the interest of balance in this discussion, I would like to establish my position on this issue, which is:
I STRONGLY FEEL 9/11 SHOULD ABSOLUTELY REMAIN IN BOTH THE URL AND THE FORUM TITLE.
It is somewhat disingenuous not to recognise this forum as one of the premier vehicles for discussion on 9/11, The Bigger Picture and The Quest for Truth.
This forum is less that three years old and is already established as a primary source of information for many researchers. The search tool yields tremendous foundation for further research and any attempt to close it down can only serve those who would prefer to remove this information from public view.
I cannot even begin to comprehend Stefan's motivation for making such a statement. To fact that 9/11 was the catalytic event for the pursuance of the NWO 21st Century agenda and even 6+ years on, remains an important awakening portal for those who have yet to see through the veil of obfuscation and falsehood.
Today I elect to focus my campaigning on such issues as Codex Alimentarius and the myth of 'Peak Oil' but do you really think that I don't mention the events of 9/11 and/or 7/7 in the course of my presentations?
I am hosting a National Conference in Totnes at the end of April. Although the primary purpose is to raise awareness of the threats associated with the UN/WTO Codex Alimaentarius agenda, do you really think that with Speakers such as Tony Gosling, Andy Thomas and myself, that the events of 9/11 and 7/7 won't get a mention?
Consider the possibility that the Codex Event will serve to introduce these topics to an audience which may not have previously perceived the complex interconnectivity between False Flag terrorism and the quest to wipe out organic farming and the destruction of the Complementary & Alternative Health Industry.
Most forum regulars would acknowledge that these issues are inextricably interlinked and that this forum is one of the few sites which provides the opportunity for people to either discuss or review the multi-faceted aspects of an agenda which can be traced back to the days of Sumer.
As has been pointed out previously, this forum is not representative of the official 9/11 Truth Campaign (which continues to serve a very important purpose) but it is imperative that this forum remain a primary vehicle for those who are becoming increasingly aware of the interconnectedness of the wider agenda.
To all those who focus their campaigning efforts on the sole issue of 9/11, please recognise that the opportunity to participate in the wider debate is an integral part of the awakening process.
Therefore I would humbly request that those who wish to distance themselves from this site (for whatever reason), do so gracefully by simply not participating in the on-going debate.
If you wish to establish an alternative, rather more limited or restricted medium, please go ahead and do so ... but please recognise and respect the central importance of this forum and the breadth and depth of debate contained herein.
The central core of everything discussed on this forum is 9/11 ... ergo it is imperative that the URL remain exactly as it is.
Ian R. Crane
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:13 am Post subject:
I agree with Ian on this since I don't understand Stefan's position either
I would go one further and support the idea of a forum that is strictly 9/11.
9/11 should remain in the URL but in what form I am not sure. I don't like 'nineeleven' because it doesn't accurately reflect the purpose of the site. I know AndyB doesn't like the word 'truth' but we need to keep the URL short and sweet. _________________ Currently working on a new website
The URL is everything. All the "authority", the "pagerank", the linkbacks, everything that makes this forum important and searchable on the engines. THAT is being taken and that means you are 0, nada, starting from scratch. It will take you more than a year of intense work to get to the level of this site
This is exactly what i have been trying to get across but you seem to have made it more explicit.
100% of the value is in the domain.
A new domain will take years to get established
Kind of freaky how it is just passing them by I would say?
At this point, with the ignoring of the facts, I would start to assume that this guy Aronowitz has already told them to piss off about the domain and has some other plans for the years of authority and PR built on this URL. Somehow the denizens of this forum are now convinced the actual content moved is all that matters. This is only possible in desperation to the fact the URL is already lost to them.
I will try and send PM to them and explain it further but feel it will be futile as the obvious road has been laid before the announcement. All done before you see. Change is impossible.
You, and I, might note that the use of duplicate content on multiple domains will penalize those new domains that are being flaunted now. Each of them is right here and using the same database. I assume that they are testing. But since it is already 24 hours the spiders have been there and seen the duplicate content, read it as secondary and blocked the new sites as bogus.
I have 26 years in this business and carry over 200 sites carefully adjusting them for engines. Dreadful mistakes are often made with the best intentions by nice people who have no idea how it all works. Things we think work just fine are punished by search engines.
A plea to you all to reconsider a demand or purchase of the URL? Aronowitz is taking the piss on you all.
Here is the deal. You have nothing to do to set up a forum, just need your moderators. This is PHPBB, full of holes and exploits. Change it. Put this up, lock it down and get an invision freebie so no one has to work at it. If you have not noticed no one is using PHPBB anymore - there are many reasons.
It takes no real energy to do this all. What it takes is getting the name out and gaining authority.
You lose years of work and your authority ranking when you start new. Starting new means starting with a new domain. All the engines will find is a new domain with a PHPBB forum. You are sandboxed for six months before you see your first google result.
Well, probably deaf ears whom have other agendas or rules to adhere to. I am boring now. Don't lose the URL!!!
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:23 am Post subject:
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Kind of freaky how it is just passing them by I would say?
At this point, with the ignoring of the facts, I would start to assume that this guy Aronowitz has already told them to piss off about the domain and has some other plans for the years of authority and PR built on this URL. Somehow the denizens of this forum are now convinced the actual content moved is all that matters. This is only possible in desperation to the fact the URL is already lost to them.
And I think you will find Rick that behind that objection is the view that this site has featured material that Aronowitz considers "anti-semitic". Personally I think it is far easier to just give up the url and say "that * site is nothing to do with me" but thats clearly not whats happening here, and early trust so often leads to later dispute. Just the way it is: but what will happen next is still undecided
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I will try and send PM to them and explain it further but feel it will be futile as the obvious road has been laid before the announcement. All done before you see. Change is impossible.
Nice attitude for a truthseeker Rick. You feel the same way about the NWO?
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You, and I, might note that the use of duplicate content on multiple domains will penalize those new domains that are being flaunted now. Each of them is right here and using the same database. I assume that they are testing. But since it is already 24 hours the spiders have been there and seen the duplicate content, read it as secondary and blocked the new sites as bogus.
Losing an url is never a good thing, thats true, but you are also underestimating the users of the site. Sites can and do re-establish themselves with new urls: its the users of the site that count you see: and change can also inspire people to redouble their efforts to link the site in other places. Its hardly hard, and the only reason the site climbed up the search engine rankings anyway
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I have 26 years in this business and carry over 200 sites carefully adjusting them for engines. Dreadful mistakes are often made with the best intentions by nice people who have no idea how it all works. Things we think work just fine are punished by search engines.
Your a very busy boy Rick.
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A plea to you all to reconsider a demand or purchase of the URL? Aronowitz is taking the piss on you all.
Again that attitude may be understandable, but its hardly helpful, and in fact guarentees the "worst case scenario" you are apparently trying to warn us of
Quote:
Here is the deal. You have nothing to do to set up a forum, just need your moderators. This is PHPBB, full of holes and exploits. Change it. Put this up, lock it down and get an invision freebie so no one has to work at it. If you have not noticed no one is using PHPBB anymore - there are many reasons.
Now your taking the piss. Free server forums have no end of problems, not least the possibility of being closed and deleted at a moments notice on the spurious whim of the free forum provider turning its nose up at the content, and the notoriously patchy service provision of a "somethign for nothing" provider. To really sink this site nothing could be more effective than using a free forum server: and your claim that "no-one" is using PHPBB is patently ridiculous. You simply mean that YOU dont use it
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It takes no real energy to do this all. What it takes is getting the name out and gaining authority.
You lose years of work and your authority ranking when you start new. Starting new means starting with a new domain. All the engines will find is a new domain with a PHPBB forum. You are sandboxed for six months before you see your first google result.
Well, probably deaf ears whom have other agendas or rules to adhere to. I am boring now. Don't lose the URL!!!
And heres your authority thing coming out again. Do you think YOU have "authority" Rick? More than any other member of this site? More than any other human being asking questions about the truth of 9/11 and the nature of the world?
Well you don't, regardless of how many websites you try and promote, unless another human being decides to grant you that authority by proxy extension of their own power and self soveriegnty, and the deeper truth of that is thats completley outside of your control: you merely tell yourself thats not the case _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:23 am Post subject:
Now if anyone wants to know, my take on this situation is that this will work itself out just fine, the url will either be transfered or a new url established placed in the guardianship of someone who is provably commited to this web community and the free thinking values and behaviours it upholds, and if this site then goes on to continue to be popular and gain rankings in search engines, it will be becuase the quality of the posting and the expression of the membership deserves it being so _________________ Free your Self and Free the World
So long as we don't lose touch with the forum location. _________________ "Lynda, you're sweet. From what I've seen of your world, do you think anybody votes for sweet?"
Doctor Who- Bad Wolf
"Because he refused to compete in games of domination he was indomitable"
from The Dispossessed by Ursula Le Guin
Hi Ian,
I know you feel the title should be "9/11 The Bigger Picture and the Quest for Truth" - it's obvious you would as you suggested it in the first place. This reversed a very sensible descision to re-brand the forum without 9/11 in the title and while I respected the majority descision I thought it was a big mistake and said as much at the time.
The reason I want 9/11 out of the title and the url is precisely the reason you resigned as chair some year ago now (incidentally - an action which I respect you immensly for) - that this forum, much like your lectures, has long since progressed further down the rabbit hole than can be strategically useful for the PR of a campaign whoes principle aim is to present a credible and limited front of questioning the official narrative of 9/11, so as to bring maximum support from a broader slice of the population as is humanly possible.
Much like your lectures, this forum has become one of the best places to view 9/11 within the context of the bigger picture rather than as an isolated event, and a big benefit to people seeking knowledge they will never find from mainstream sources.
But it has also become a free-speech zone for people to ponder on other issues which to the average person would appear wacky at best, absurd at times and sometimes (even to a majority here) - offensive.
A while ago it became clear to activists in the UK (as you remember no doubt) that there were only two ways of running a forum -
1) Sanitise it and moderate it to a fascist extent so that only the most credible and pubclically acceptable issues could be discussed so that it continue to act as a PR friendly front to the UK Campaign.
2) Allow it to continue as a free-speech zone and take steps to divorse it from UK 9/11 Truth
The second option was decided on, and I agree with it, but it has never been properly implemented.
This site is still seen as the UK 9/11 Truth Campaign forum and will continue to be so until 9/11 is removed from the title. Previously there was no chance of removing it from the url - although now we have that opportunity. It is still the first thing to appear if you type "9/11 UK" into google.
So the problem the forum was causing the credibility of the campaign has in fact never been solved. Sure we can say "but it's not the official site" - it means nothing if it is still widely perceived as such.
I'm sure we could all list ways in which this forum is useful for the research of seasoned "truth seekers" (I hate that term but can't think of a replacement right now). For the converted - it is a great pulpit.
If anyone can give me a single way in which having a forum where everything from vampires to crop circles is going to help present 9/11 Truth as a rational science-based movement (which it ultimatley is) then I will reconsider my position. Any site which is construed as being 9/11 Truth based should follow a strict creed of mainstream credibility.
Taking 9/11 out of the title damages nothing for the regular users of the forum - it is a cosmetic change. But the beneifts to the credibility of 9/11 truth will be huge. _________________
I agree with Ian on this since I don't understand Stefan's position either
I would go one further and support the idea of a forum that is strictly 9/11.
9/11 should remain in the URL but in what form I am not sure. I don't like 'nineeleven' because it doesn't accurately reflect the purpose of the site. I know AndyB doesn't like the word 'truth' but we need to keep the URL short and sweet.
Why create clones - 9/11 truth action is already a forum which keeps to a strict credible 9/11 discussion and is heavily moderated. If you want a stright-down-the-line forum just go there.
I think most people who come here WANT the discussion to be deeper and freeer.
I think the sensible among us realise that such a forum, however, is not going to help the cause of 9/11 Truth. _________________
The URL is everything. All the "authority", the "pagerank", the linkbacks, everything that makes this forum important and searchable on the engines. THAT is being taken and that means you are 0, nada, starting from scratch. It will take you more than a year of intense work to get to the level of this site.
I can offer you a couple very good 911 domains very cheap. Almost a donation if you will. But I am international and they are .com
They also are new domains and have no authority, no rank, no linkbacks and are only valuable to someone who might like to be 911opinions, or 911coalition.com and will start to bring content on them.
What you are being bumed with here is a lack of understanding about a URL and how important "authority" is. You have a REALLY high rank in authority here. You let him steal your contributions to that and he can pump that out to any domain he wants when you are gone. It is like pumped up juice all waiting to spill to whomever it may link out to. The juice it has is all from your posts and links to this site to these posts.
This sites authority juice alone is worth thousands on the SEO market and it would not be used to promote the truth.
You do not have the traffic to make this site worth diddly squat but you have more important value as an authority website and THAT is what is being taken from you with the URL. The forum and content on a new URL will take over a year to get searched and more than 2 of high level participation to reach your current authority. The authority, linkback, and aging cannot pass to a new url even if the site is the original. The authority and age being most important. You are being screwed royal jelly like.
So, let me know if you want some cheap cool URLs.
No offense Rick as I think this is the first time that I've said this, but I agree with every word that Rick says here and I really do think that others need to read carefully what is being said.
The url is everything. This site has been built up over the past 3 years. If we lose the url, we lose all incoming links (in other words, other sites that link to nineeleven.co.uk), we lose our page rank in search engines, we lose our ranks with search terms (e.g. we are on the top of the second page in Google under the term "9/11 truth").....basically, it will become a lot harder for those people who haven't heard of us to find us in the first place.
Of course, changing the url will not specifically mean that we will lose our regular forum members but it's not just about traffic (i.e. the people who come to this site). The incoming links are very important for us to be found by search engines, more so than the amount of people who come to the forum.
Anyway, I'll shush now lol Like I said, Rick has said it well himself and I hope that people do listen to what he is saying here! _________________ www.rinf.com
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