"Stop the War...STW...+9/11 Truth.!

[blackbear]

Why don't the "STW" controllers embrace the realities of 9/11 + the truth movement.?

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Stefan... In the UK we have a very varied mix of people who all want different things with the Truth Campaign - which is largley the reason I resigned from the campaign in any official position - I didn't want to be asociated with a lot of the views of people (climate change denial for example) and felt there were too many directions tearing at the movement. Also over here we have a large, "organised dissent" group called the Stop the War Coalition - which have closed ranks against us long ago - but their grassroots are coming around through the We Are Change brand.

Kim.. The credibility of the 9/11 Truth Movement in the UK is being shot to pieces, and some serious surgery is needed to rectify this situation. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and if the "Stop the War Co-Alition" won't touch you with a barge pole,

chrisc.Well, the StWC in the UK is essentially a SWP front these days and has been for a while, most local groups are just about dead...

Stefan..stop the war coalitions stance towards us it is because they too are all about pr and strategy and don't want to touch anything which could reduce them credibility.

Col. Jenny Sparks...pr

http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2338&postdays=0&postorder =asc&start=150

$$$...+ "Revisionists in Denile"

[Rory Winter]

Blackbear, in this reference please read my observations about STW in this post:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=113624#113624

The way these people have destroyed the Peace Campaign in Britain is beyond description. From a million marchers in 2003 the alienating effect of this fifth column has reduced numbers to 40 thousand or less.

[TonyGosling]

Great discussion but the dodyness of the SWP is not news folks
moved to general

[Rory Winter]

No, it's not news but the problem is still with us and it's dividing two important groups of people who should be together. I think Britain is the only country when the 911 Truthers and the Peace Movement or Anti-War movement as they are now called in Britain (a significant change of name!) are working in separate camps.

I think it's no accident that both the SWP and the StW people reject an examination of 911. Clearly it's because the former are managing to control the latter by frightening them of a 'loss of credibility' blah, blah, blah. It's ironic really because if anyone lacks credibility it's the SWP!

If I were running MI5 it's a group exactly like the SWP I'd choose to infiltrate in order to get them to do my dirty work for me. You can't argue with them, they think they know it all and the rest of us are plain ignorant. Try to discuss this with an StW organiser of an SWP shade of colour and they soon start shouting and screaming at you.

Organising a march every year seems to be their idea of winning the revolution. And even in that they fail miserably! How can it be that from a million 5 years ago we're down to a few tens of thousands? In the days of the Peace Movement in the 'eighties which, for many years was run by a Roman Catholic priest, Mgr Bruce Kent as he then was, the numbers of marches in successive years went steadily up and up.

The Peace Movement blossomed everywhere and right across the political spectrum. Bruce was a smart cookie and he ensured that no one on the Left, or anywhere else for that matter, could hijack CND in quite the way the SWP have the StW.

I wonder what the Muslim groups that are supposedly affiliated to the StW think about their Trotskyite comrades? Surely, by now they must realise what a terrible tactical error it was to have had anything to do with wreckers whose set up is crawling with MI5 operatives?

[karlos]

Rory - i must say i do agree with this post of yours. You know you and i disagree bitterly over the EUSSR. However, you are spot on regarding M15 control and direction of these groups. That is the reason they keep each of the groups apart, makes them more easy to control. By fragmenting the various groups and by managing each one they have successfully suppressed each one.
911 Truth and STW are just the latest in a long line that stretch back to Ulster paramilitaries and Animal rights as well as the SWP. Dont forget the recently highlighted case of Michael X the black power leader featured in the film the Bank Job. The UK black power movement did not reach the heights of it's USA counterpart. Just as the UK Truth movement is a pale imititation of it's USA version.
Leaders of Muslim groups are urging their members to vote Labour in the upcoming elections. which surely is unthinkable after all the Muslim blood the Labour have spilt.
Have you noticed how every small party seems to have been nobbled recently. The SSP, Respect, UKIP etc.
Not forgetting the 100,000+ votes electronically docked from the SNP in the Scottish elections.

[Rory Winter]

Nice to hear from you, bro. I think we agree on more things than we disagree.

Europe: NO

SWP: YES

Muslim Persecution: YES

Yes, divide & rule is the game that the spooks play by using their SWP stooges to do their dirty work with no doubt retainers laundered into anonymous bank accounts. Why do CND and the rest put up with it, duh!

And it's unbelievable beyond words that Muslims should be receiving advice to still vote Labour!