World Zionist Organization and 9/11

[Alulim]

Trying to pin down exactly what constitutes the WZO and its member organizations can be difficult since it has been constantly transmuting entity. Nonetheless, there is an extremely powerful and fairly secretive entity called the World Zionist Organization which has member bodies in many countries throughout the world, including virtually every Western nation.

I was rather stunned today when a person whom I know fairly well asked me if the WZO really exists, or if it's just some "right-wing" fantasy? Well the WZO does exist, and it is the capstone organization of the Zionist Movement. Many powerful players in this movement were undeniably close to the events of 9/11. If you are not yet aware of this fact, then you lack the basic information essential to understanding the bigger picture.

[blackbear]

AlicetheKurious
There's NO EVIDENCE of any hijackers...yet...BushCo never produced any. The FBI doesn't indict them for the crimes of 9/11.


Not only that. There's no credible evidence (scorched passports and lucky suitcases included) that "al Qaeda" perpetrated the 9/11 attacks, or that Osama bin Laden was involved as other than the designated bogeyman. None.

Where DOES the evidence point? Who had ample motive, means and opportunity, not only to pull off this spectacular operation, but to blame it on "Islamo-fascists"?

Seven years later, unless we are being deliberately obtuse, we should easily be able to determine:

Who benefited, politically, financially and militarily from the attacks? Which ambitious, documented goals were miraculously made possible because of the attacks?

Who suffered?

I can't understand how someone who claims to want to investigate the 9/11 attacks would ignore these very crucial questions, and instead waste their time and energy chasing the "al Qaeda" red herrings, all of which, oddly enough, lead to dead ends when they don't lead straight to the CIA, Mossad and MI5. Duh.

Is there one identifiable group that has a managed to achieve enormous influence over all three agencies, or the governments that control them? Does the evidence yield any clues about what this group aims to achieve through the use of such influence?

As for where "the truth movement is today", just like the JFK assassination, it's crazy to ignore the central role of the mass media's deliberate distortions and omissions, not to mention outright, proven lies.

Why is the media complicit in obscuring or suppressing important evidence in books, movies, newspapers, on tv? Who owns this media? What are their corporate/political affiliations? What is the role of this media in forming public perceptions and framing the parameters of acceptable discourse? Who do they consistently protect? Who do they consistently demonize?

If you don't care about the answers to these fundamental questions, you're not really interested in learning what happened and why.

It's that simple.
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[Alulim]

The circumstantial evidence is so overwhelming it hurts to look at it. The only plausible suspects to thus far be arrested were the Urban Moving Systems Dancers.


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"Our purpose was to document the event"

[suraci]

Not only does the evidence point overwhelmingly towards Israeli involvement, but they have form in attacking their allies, and specifically America. We know without any doubt what so ever that Israel deliberately attacked the US liberty, intending to blame it on Egypt in order to get America into the war between it and Egypt. That war stopped as suddenly as it did, I suggest, because the attack did not work and America at that time was sufficiently independent of the poison dwarf state of Israel to stay out of the war. Israel on it's own is not capable of taking on it's enemies for any significant time, as happened in 2006 in Lebanon. Without it's bully boy protector it gets easily beaten.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and acts like a duck then it's a duck, or in this case Israel. It's extraordinary to suggest that one country attacked another in this way, but then Israel is no ordinary country, and as it was born in illegality and shocking mass murder, just sixty short years ago, it's hardly surprising that it is maintained using those very same tactics.

Fortunately for Israel, it has powerful and wealthy allies using huge sums of money to ensure that it does not receive a bad press, and that it's many crimes go largely unreported, or watered down when they do appear, for instance on the BBC which uses soft language to describe shocking Israeli illegality.

Israel either committed or was heavily involved in 911. For my money, it was the meat filling in that sandwich, without Israel it would not have happened. If they succeed in getting away with that day, they will move on to the next attack which will be even bigger. If we think the world has got crazy since 911, with legalized torture and the like, we're still living in paradise compared to what they have in store for us.

They've only just begun. .

[Alulim]

The history of Israel as it is perceived by the general public is nothing but a Big Lie. My views on this have changed dramatically over the past decade. In the past two years I have become acutely aware of the depths of the deception. But "Israel" is a nebulous concept. Zionists believe that Jews are a nation based on a shared ancestry. They used to use the word "race" to describe this Jewish nationality, but that is no longer in vogue.

It's amazing the extent to which the Zionists have been able to maintain their anonymity and secrecy. That is their great strength. The masses are incredibly brainwashed by the MSM which is, for all intents and purposes, under their control.

[Stefan]

These threads now appear all over the place on this forum, stating things like this:

"Well the WZO does exist, and it is the capstone organization of the Zionist Movement. Many powerful players in this movement were undeniably close to the events of 9/11."

And this:

"Not only does the evidence point overwhelmingly towards Israeli involvement, but they have form in attacking their allies, and specifically America. We know without any doubt what so ever that Israel deliberately attacked the US liberty, intending to blame it on Egypt in order to get America into the war between it and Egypt."

And then presenting no evidence.

Well lets go then boys -

1) What "key players" were involved in 9/11 - how is this "undeniable" and how do you know this? Here was me thinking no one knew who had done 9/11 - and you have UNDENIABLE evidence of exactly who they were, what organisation they belong to and no doubt their favorite colours. So please do share with us this undeniable evidence rather than just alluding to it.

3) What evidence overwhelmingly points towards Israeli involvement? The "dancing Israelis"? You call that overwhelming? You must have a very low tollerance for "whelm".

But before that - pick up a f*cking book at actually read into the USS Liberty incident - there really IS overwhelming evidence that the attack was American and Israeli facilitated - it was no sneak attack on the US Israel - all the evidence points to the US being the senior partner because IT wished to spark a war perfectly within its own interests. Indeed in the authoritative book on the matter "Operation Cyanide" one of several potential reasons for the attack stopping short proposed was that Israel caught wind of the US plan to use the attack as a launch pad to a NUCLEAR attack and realised they would be the first point of retaliation. Not saying that's the case - just demonstrating how far gone from reality your idea of the Liberty being Israel trying to trick the US into a war really is.

But don't let that get in the way of a perfectly good fantasy…

The only intention seems to be to make a public proclamtion that "the jews did it" on a publicly viewable 9/11 Truth affiliated site which can later be used to fuel an accusation of an anti-Semitic movement.

It's exactly the same MO as the FakerySchit - just come in and say something ridiculous - you don't have to back it up - it's simply laying groundwork and foundations for our opponents to use against us. Now the fakery job is done - with hundreds of posts logged and on the record (note how 9/11 controversies has dried up) - now we move on to hate mongering anti-Semitisim instead - exactly the same pattern - as many posts with as possible with as little content - just make sure it's down there - make sure its in the google cache for safe keeping so when neccesary a nice long dossier can be brought out on why the Truth Movement ARE a dangerous group and do need to be stomped down on.

All they'll need to do is collate all the anti-semitism, all the looney no-planery and paint a perfect image of a dangerous, bigotted, completely insane fringe of society. All other posts will fail to make the final cut.

[chek]

Spot on Stefan.

And it doesn't help that it gets picked up and repeated (just like all the other garbage) as if it were gospel truth by the repeater fraternity to whom any sort of objective examination is anathema.

But short of moderating every post I'm not sure what can be done about it.

[ian neal]

I know what you mean Stefan.

No-one would deny there is evidence implicating Israel in 9/11 just as there is evidence implicating the US, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and the cover-up implicates all nations with the exception of the hand full that have spoken out (Malaysia, Venezuela, Iran).

No one needs to give me a history lesson on the crimes of the Israeli state but it is one rogue nation (all be it an important one) amongst many. Israel is not the be all and end all.

9/11 is symptmatic of the global conspiracy that implicates people of many different religions and nationalities and not just one. Conspiracies are abvout crimes and criminals and transcend religion and nationality. Besides who created the established churches and nations that so divide humanity in the first place

[Stefan]

Agreed Ian,
Israel is clearly a key part of a global agenda which makes them a part of the bigger picture. As for clear evidence of Israeli involvement in the event itself - beyond the obvious axis of powers involved in the agenda which you outline above, I still don't see anything compelling.

The Odigo affair is tenuous and points to an element/business/person/organisation within Israel, not the Israel government - even if it was from the government it can be explained through the fact that Israel was one of many nations who gave (ignored) intel warnings to US. The "dancing Israelis" are a blurred and inconclusive little chapter to the story which equally could be explained by Israel pre-knowledge which was registered and acted on and not at all secret.

If they knew the attack was going to happen, why is it extraordinary people might be warned, or they might seek to document it, or exploit it? Having given intellegence warnings, they are somewhat "in the clear".

Don't get me wrong - not for a second am I being naïve - I am simply talking evidence here - not suspicion. Evidence I would stand up behind. I don't see anything which makes the grade. There is no point persisting with any claim which cannot be backed by multiple sources, even less point when the claim makes no clear conclusion.

If you want my own speculation, the agenda is most likely headed by people who see nationality and religion as beneath them, and power and control as the lone objective. Boiling it down to your pet obsession - zionism/freemansonry/skull and bones - dilutes away from the fact that these are small pieces of a big jigsaw.

Beyond this describing of the extreme ends of Zionism as "the Jews" (as has been happening frequently in recent weeks on this site) is downright offensive, bigotted and makes me very angry. That Fakery was so swiftly and iron-fistedly moderated and posts in main sections with such filth in them hang around is a disgrace.

Fakery made us look like moronic and harmless simpletons, anti-Semitism makes us look like hateful bigots, and this moderation policy is letting us all down.

[ian neal]

The reason I haven't pushed for article like the Winkler one I objected to to be removed is because I want users to understand what I'm objecting to but I share your concerns and disgust.

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=108257&highlight=#10 8257

[Alulim]

Strange how 9/11 has nothing to do with 9/11. In mathematics and formal logic we call that a contradiction, but perhaps that concept doesn't carry over to political reality. I've come across another term which might apply here: "doublethink - Reality Control. The power to hold two completely contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accept both of them." Am I close?

[PaulStott]

[brian]

The hand of Israel, and more specifically Israeli firsters, is apparent.

Cui Bono?

Motive -

The PNAC document is an extension of the Israeli policy document "A Clean Break" which laid out the Israeli agenda for hegemony of the region. Both documents sharing similar aims and coming from the same Israeli firsters. That is indisputable.

The Israeli policy document from 1996 called for the removal of Saddam and much of what we have seen or what has been and is being attempted.

To implement the policy required - A New Pearl Harbour

911, Iraq, PNAC , All roads lead to Israel

http://www.rys2sense.com/hub/get/post/articles.php?id=9

There are facts and facts are not anti semitic or anti anything they merely are. If you are afraid of dealing with facts for fear of being branded anti semitic or a nutter perhaps better ignore the facts.

I said before the evidence does not mean - the Jews did it - but it presents a strong case that Israeli firsters/dual citizens were at the centre of it. Planning execution and aftermath.

[Alulim]

[ian neal]

Alulim

You could ask a similar set of true or false questions and get answers that all point to the US or ISI/Pakistan or Saudis. It depends what questions and evidence you point to.

No one is denying that people connected to zionism and Israel are implicated in 9/11. My point is that the same could be said of other nationalities.

Brian

Your question cui bono is important.

Now I know you will be familiar with the concept of a patsy. How about the idea that Israel is being set up as a patsy and the true picture is considerably more complex. How about the idea that the powers that be owe absolutely no allegance to or faith in Judaism, zionism or Israel, that their supposed faith and convictions are but a scam which fits their overall game plan. A plan in which Israel and a clash of religions is central

That game plan is a clash of civilisations resulting from increasing polarised and divided religions be they christian, muslim or jewish, then to set each off against the other. End times, armageddon, return of the 12 imam, the second coming, rapture, etc, etc. You get the picture I'm sure presuming you're familiar with end times bollox

If enough people can be seen to view the world this way then it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.

So with this game plan in mind, is it beyond the bounds of possibility that the powers that be are playing with us, giving us all the clues (like PNAC, like dancing Israelis, like 'pull it') to lead us down a certain path, to lead us to reach certain conclusions.

Why would they do this?

1) to associate conspiracy theorists with anti-semitism and neo-nazis
2) to associate legitimate criticism of Israel with both conspiracy theorists and antisemitism
3) to bring their WWIII and NWO several steps closer, etc, etc

Do you understand what I'm suggesting? 'They' can't defend 9/11 on the evidence, so their best tactic is to associate 9/11 truth with anti-semitism and fascism.

So when I see so much attention paid to the Israeli / zionist connections to 9/11 and then at the same time lots of threads linking this back to discussion of such a highly sensitive and contentious subject such as the holocaust I do indeed ask cui bono and my answer is those who would wish to associate 9/11 truth with 'holocaust deniers' and neo nazis.

I'm not saying you are either a holocaust denier or neo-nazi. I'm just saying that it would be in the interests of the very zionists you denounce to promote this association and hence I will always suspicious of people who seem to be pushing this line (to the exclusions of all others) when my understanding of the conspiracy/'powers that be' is that it is a considerably more complex and multi layered onion than the 'it s all a jewish conspiracy' line.

[Alulim]

[brian]

ian neal, I am of the opinion that hubris due to past experience of dealing with the masses and the underestimation of the internet effect has led to the perpatrators of Sept 11 finding themselves in the position they do.

You agree there is a large body of evidence pointing to a central role played by Zionists/Israeli firsters yet appear to be saying this should not be highlighted as it is what "they" want. I disagree, it seems to me that the Israeli connection to Sept 11 is mentioned as little as possible in an evidential sense and all 911 truth has been pre-emptively linked to holocaust denial as it has with no moon landings etc.

Were it not for the internet the Mossad dancing Israelis would be long forgotten in the main and the role of Chertoff in sending home all the Israeli spies likewise. We have the bizzare circumstance of the New York Times on Sept 10 2001 telling the world that a top US Army Intelligence Corp (SAMS) report said Mossad was -

"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act."

The very next day Mossad are found documenting and celebrating the even with incriminating evidence surrounding them and claiming the Palestinians are the culprits, they fail lie detector tests yet the dual nationality Chertoff can step in and send them home.

Jerome Hauer would have never been known and role of Perle Wolfowitz Feith Wurmser Kristol etc and the whole Straussian neo con crew would have been known to very few. The list of Israeli firsters goes on and on, thanks to the internet.


What benefit did Saudi or Pakistan get from Sept 11?

I say broadcast far and wide whatever evidence can be reasonably presented and to hell with the detractors that can only offer trite drivel in response.

History shows us the role that the Jewish elite have played in forming and interpreting it. Whether this elite are truly Jewish in the religious sense or not is neither here nor there, it is the brand that ties them together.


The US as a nation are bankrupt and whilst mired in hugely expensive wars of attrition are not only sending massive amounts of aid to Israel are treaty bound to supply Israel with oil even if it means the US going short. The tail wags the dog and the quicker the American people are aware of this the better chance we all have of averting this world war that these elites bring about whenever it seems it suits them.



"For the question of the Jews and their influence on the world - past and present - cuts to the root of all things, and should be discussed by every honest thinker, however bristling with difficulties it is, however complex the subject as well as the individuals of this Race may be. ...

There is scarcely an event in modern Europe that cannot be traced back to the Jews. ..."

The highly regarded Jewish intellectual - Dr Oscar Levy, Dearborn Independent, 30 April 1921

As I have said regards the holocaust I believe Jewish people in general have the same understanding of Sept 11 as the man in the street. My pointing out the elite role is akin to criticising the Nazi elite in the sense it would have no bearing on my take on the German people.

I can only give the truth as I see it and hopefully take criticism and adjust where I am mistaken, but better to make mistakes than say nothing through fear of drawing the attention of slimy propagandists.

Rambling on so I'll stop.

[Alulim]

[Stefan]

[Alulim]

http://www.irmep.org/mp3/08292006lomp3.mp3

http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/08/clean-break-plan-conspiracy-of-theor ies.html

[Alulim]

If you want pretty formatting, go to the original document. Bear in mind that this document was crafted by key architects of the US led war on Iraq.

[Stefan]

I've read the document Alium - clearly unlike yourself when something is brought into discussion I take the time to research it before commenting.

You claimed the above - by a think-tank - was an "Israeli Policy Document" - Ignorance or a Lie.

You claimed it called for a New Peal Harbour - Ignorance or a Lie

You also believe RAD is simply an extension of it - very odd analysis - as most who have read both will agree.

[Alulim]

[Stefan]

OK Brain did, but since it what you who responded to my rebuttle of his claims, I assumed it was you.

[Stefan]

Hold up -

NO.

In no sense is it an Israeli Policy document.

It is a think tank document. The purpose of a think-tank is to attempt to influence the policy of a nation - that does not make everything a think-tank writes government policy.

In the case of RAD - many of the signatories went onto become leaders in the US government - making it VERY relevant to US policy - it's an exception.

[Alulim]

It is Israeli policy as implemented through the Israeli satellite called the US of A.

[Stefan]

It was published in 96 - 4 years before the Bush administration, and therefore the neocon influence of Pearle and co.

Stop trying to abuse language.

A think-tank document is NOT the policy of the government it is seeking to influence.

A government policy document means a policy document produced and published by the government. Full Stop.

It's just not.

It's plain wrong and your attempts to try and make it correct are just getting embarrasing..

[Alulim]

I strongly suggest you take a good hard look at who planned and instigated the war on Iraq.

http://www.irmep.org/mp3/08292006lomp3.mp3

http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/08/clean-break-plan-conspiracy-of-theor ies.html

[brian]

Stefan, you clutch at straws.

I started out referring to - " The PNAC document ..."

THEN by not putting "The PNAC document" in front of - It called for A New Pearl Harbour - I gave you the imagined ammunition to declare -


"What utter nonsense! "

"EDUCATE YOURSELF! "

My education has benefited. I more fully understand the need for clarity when dealing with the desperate.

To argue that both documents are not poicy documents because they did not have the official stamp of approval on them may well be technically correct but anyone who is familiar with them and their authors knows full well they became policy. They were authored by policy makers.

The New Pearl Harbour was Sept 11 and the policy was implemented.

This policy of mass murder is ongoing and shaping up for escalation.

[Stefan]

It's not clutching at straws to say it is not an Israel Policy Document - I thought it was responsible to point out the distortion for the sake of people who might just read what you were saying without checking the facts.

What we have here is a very nasty neo-con document outlining a strategy for Israel to become the undisputed regional power. It speaks in broad-brush idealistic prose and has no detailed plans. It recommends to keep occupied territories for good, to end any negotiations which require Israel to give anything (the term Peace for Peace not Peace for Land meaning we give them hell and then give them peace only when they accept our dominance, we give them nothing material), to win over Jordan, Turkey and New-Iraq as allies to pen in Syria and Palestine further, to launch state sponsored terror attacks against Syria, and most of all to privatise Israel’s infrastructure and turn it into an ultra capitalist state so that it would be in the interest of corporations to protect it and therefore no longer reliant on US economic aid (although it recommended keeping US military aid).

It came from Pro-Israeli American neo-cons with huge corporate interests.

If you want to have a discussion about how much of this became policy and how much might yet - that's one thing. I'd agree that large chunks of it have been taken on board since the neo-cons arrived at the Whitehouse.

Your describing of the document as Israeli policy, as though it had been voted on and published by the Knesset, is just false, and should be called out as such.