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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: 9/11 Truthers in Financial Times Magazine Reply with quote

Front page of FT magazine

http://www.ft.com/magazine

A long and detailed article within. It points out the discrepancies within the truth movement rather than spending much time with the discrepancies on the official story. But hey...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8d66e778-3128-11dd-ab22-000077b07658.html?nc lick_check=1


Some stuff on WTC7 (found by clicking on the WTC7 info box) or use this link:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7d174b42-31fa-11dd-9b87-0000779fd2ac,s01=1.h tml

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To the truthers, “building 7” – the third building in the World Trade Center complex to collapse on September 11 – is evidence that the mainstream media is in on the plot. On that day, the BBC reported the building’s fall almost half an hour before it happened. Journalist Jane Standley was broadcast at 4.54pm eastern time reporting that the tower had collapsed – but in the background, it was still standing.

It fell 26 minutes later, seven hours after the Twin Towers came down.

When the Standley clip hit YouTube, truthers bombarded the BBC’s website with questions and accusations.


Yeah. I was posting every day to Richard Porter. I was not (still am not, IMHO) a truther. I came to this website after the bbc comment system went dead. Nice to see my contribution recognised anyway.


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Richard Porter, head of BBC world news, was forced to deny that the broadcaster was reading from the Bush conspirators’ script. He said the BBC had misreported warnings from fire crews of the building’s imminent collapse and instead stated that it had already happened. He blamed the confusion of the day for the mix-up. CNN had earlier reported rumours that a third building had either collapsed or was about to.

But in the minds of the truthers, this explanation was undermined by Porter’s admission that the BBC no longer had the original tapes of its coverage.

Worse than that. The bbc claims it has: no tapes, no notes, no memories. Nothing but "it was confusion". Hmm, weren't these people supposed to be professionals?
Since then we've seen the videos of the count down to the WTC7 collapse... A bit more than pre-knowledge, I think.
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Building 7 is the truthers’ smoking gun for other reasons, too. How, they ask, could this modern, steel-framed skyscraper collapse merely because of fire, without even being hit by an airliner?

The 47-storey WTC7 fell straight down, at almost free-fall speed, largely into its own footprint: all the hallmarks, the sceptics say, of a controlled demolition. Building 7 had some fascinating tenants.

Article does not mention that the official story does not account for the Dust and molten metal... pre-knowledge... symetrical collapse... characteristic CD crimp... MSM cover-up etc.
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The main occupant was Salomon Brothers, the bank, but on floors nine and 10 was the secret service. On the three floors above that was the Securities and Exchange Commission. The New York Times reported that the building also housed a secret office operated by the CIA dedicated to spying on and recruiting foreign diplomats based at the United Nations. The station’s loss had “seriously disrupted” intelligence operations, it said.

The CIA shared a floor with an office of the Defence Department and the Internal Revenue Service.

The collapse of the building also wiped out the operations centre of New York City’s Office of Emergency Management on floor 23, throwing the response that day into further mayhem.

Dis-info. The operations centre was never ever considered for use during 9/11...
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Truthers have focused on a comment on the afternoon of September 11 by Larry Silverstein, the building’s owner, to a fire department commander: he said they should “pull” the building after a faulty sprinkler system left fires to rage all day. “Pull”, the sceptics claim, is industry jargon for demolish. Debunking911.com points out that the term actually refers to pulling one building away from another with cables. Silverstein’s spokesman later said that Silverstein told the fire chief that the most important thing was to protect the lives of the firefighters, including pulling them out of the building if necessary.

Spot the errors here! "Faulty" sprinkler system? Hmm, how about the report that they were deliberately turned off that morning!?
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The US National Institute of Standards and Technology began investigating the collapse of building 7 along with the Twin Towers in 2002, but hived the inquiry off into a separate probe, which will not report until August. This fuelled suspicion that officials were struggling to come up with a plausible line of obfuscation. NIST says progress has been slowed by the complexity of the computer model it is using, which simulates the collapse from the moment it begins all the way to the ground. Another 80 boxes of documents related to WTC7 have also been found and need to be analysed, it says.

I guess skyscraper safety just ain't that important... One small fire and the whole thing tumbles down: who'd ever want to work in NY!?
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NIST’s working hypothesis is that fire and/or flaming debris from the collapsing north tower (which left a long gash in building 7’s south face) damaged a critical column which supported a 2,000 sq ft floor bay. The remaining floor bays were unable to redistribute the loads, and the whole structure came down on itself. The fact that the collapse was triggered by an internal failure would explain the appearance of a controlled demolition with a small field of debris left behind.

"Fact"? puzzling word... I guess CD is also a possible internal failure...
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The influence of the truthers can be found in this line from a 2004 progress report: “While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more elements.”

The BBC, meanwhile, has yet to persuade some of its critics. It had wanted to film the 9/11 Truth seminar at the Immanuel Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles but was barred by the organisers, who cited building 7.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone post a scan of the actual paper cover?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Financial Times did a half color page article about me as an Internet visionary once so what the hell could they know? Of course that was the big newspaper. Is this a magazine and different?

Some of us are not listed as property and cannot read the article on that site. Some of us live under, or as guests of, other kings, queens and or dictators, and cannot access the material. Maybe a scan might be nice for the deprived?
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8d66e778-3128-11dd-ab22-000077b07658.html?nc lick_check=1

The truth is out there

By Peter Barber

Published: June 7 2008 01:22 | Last updated: June 7 2008 01:22

When Cynthia McKinney speaks the words of Martin Luther King Jr, they resound through the church with some of King’s cadence. “A time comes,” declares the former US congresswoman from Georgia, “when silence is betrayal.” The congregation answers with whoops and calls of “That’s right!” King was talking about America’s war in Vietnam. More than 40 years later, before the packed pews of the Immanuel Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles, McKinney is speaking of the American government’s war on its own people. The shock and awe phase of this conflict, we had been told earlier, began on September 11 2001, when the Bush administration launched attacks on New York and Washington, or at least waved them through.

According to a show of hands that February afternoon, several hundred people in the immaculate church believe this to be true. Some came in T-shirts bearing the words “9/11 was an inside job”. One wore a badge demanding that you “Examine your assumptions”. Quite a few bought the DVDs on sale in the foyer, most of which bore photographs of the Twin Towers spewing smoke. They had all come to hear the message of Architects, Engineers & Scientists for 9/11 Truth, one of the dozens of groups across the US which campaign to persuade us that everything we think we know about 9/11 is wrong.

Marion Cotillard, actress

“There was a tower in Spain which burnt for 24 hours. It never collapsed”

Last winter, “Investigate 9/11” banners seemed to be popping up all over the place. Bill Clinton was heckled by “truthers” in Denver while campaigning for his wife. Truthers picketed the Academy Awards in LA – despite this year’s winner of the best actress Oscar, Marion Cotillard, reportedly being one of them. But then, she’s French. Literature lovers in that country pushed Thierry Meyssan’s L’Effroyable imposture (The Appalling Fraud) – which asserts that 9/11 was a government plot to justify invading Iraq and Afghanistan and increase military spending – to the top of the bestseller list in 2002.

Country music star Willie Nelson is assuredly not French, but a week or so before the Oscars he described as naive the notion that the “implosion” of the Twin Towers was caused by crashing jets. Meanwhile the European Parliament screened the Italian documentary Zero, in which Gore Vidal, Italian playwright Dario Fo, and Italian MEP Giulietto Chiesa blame the US government, not al-Qaeda, for 9/11. The following month, Japanese MP Yukihisa Fujita raised his own doubts about the official story at a seminar in Sydney. A busy season for the “9/11 Truth” movement.

The events of 9/11 were recorded in many thousands of images, from crisp agency photographs to amateur camcorder footage. Every recorded trail of smoke, every spray of sparks is pored over by an army of sceptics, collectively described as the 9/11 Truth movement. They believe that the key to the mystery is hidden somewhere within the pictures, just as some people think that clues are contained in the Zapruder film which captured the moment of John F. Kennedy’s assassination. Allied against them is a smaller group of rival bloggers who have taken it upon themselves to debunk what they claim are dangerous conspiracy theories.

Gore Vidal, writer

“If there ever was great cause for impeachment, it would be over 9/11”

There is some evidence that the truthers are swaying the rest of us. A New York Times/CBS News poll in 2006 revealed that only 16 per cent of Americans polled believed the Bush administration was telling the truth about 9/11. More than half thought it was “hiding something”. This is not the same as believing the government actually launched the attacks, but a Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll the same year found that more than a third of those questioned suspected that federal officials assisted in the attacks or took no action to stop them so that the US could go to war.

The truthers certainly believe that they are on a roll. The crowd in the Immanuel Presbyterian Church seemed electrified. As the donated sound system pumped out angry rap, a giant video screen showed images of protesters demanding a new investigation into 9/11. The symbols and the language were borrowed from the civil rights struggle, but the truthers are an eclectic group, including anti-Bush, anti-war liberals and anti-government libertarians. A young man in a “Vote Ron Paul” T-shirt scuttled through the hall, filming us as we took our seats on wooden pews.

First up was Richard Gage, a San Francisco architect who founded Architects, Engineers & Scientists for 9/11 Truth, which now claims to have 379 professional members. Gage told us that the collapse of the Twin Towers could not have been due merely to gravity, the impact of the airliners and the resulting jet fuel fires – which would not have been hot enough to weaken the steel sufficiently. Behind him on the video screen was the south tower of the World Trade Center. Smoke poured from its upper floors. A respectful silence fell over the audience, followed by gasps as the building appeared to dissolve before our eyes.

What happened to building 7?

To the truthers, the third building in the World Trade Center complex to collapse on September 11 is evidence that the mainstream media is in on the plot

While I have seen this footage countless times, it seems that I had clearly never understood what I was seeing. The destruction of the Twin Towers, along with the collapse of the nearby 47-storey World Trade Center 7 building, had all the hallmarks of controlled demolition, according to Gage. They all came straight down, almost at the speed of a free-falling object, right into their own footprints. Steel-framed buildings had never collapsed because of fires before. On this day three did, one of which, “Building 7”, was not even hit by an aircraft.

Gage, who had worked himself into a fever, exhorted the audience to stand up and be counted: “A country is at stake.” Then he welcomed on to the stage the star of the evening, Steven Jones. A softly spoken physicist, Jones is the movement’s designated martyr and seems to promise what the truthers so desperately need: scientific credibility.

Jones entered into truther lore in 2006 when he was put into early retirement by Brigham Young University in Utah after giving public lectures on his paper “Why indeed did the WTC buildings collapse?”, which he published on the website of the university’s physics department. Jones contended that the towers were demolished by cutter charges which had been placed throughout the buildings, probably involving an incendiary called thermite. BYU’s College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences and the structural engineering faculty, followed by the university administration, disowned him.

Still, Jones is no fool. He has published more than 50 scholarly papers, including pieces on cold nuclear fusion in journals such as Scientific American and Nature. He invented a cooker which uses solar power and has donated models to poor families in the developing world. Jones tells us he believes laboratory testing of dust from Ground Zero will reveal residue from a thermite reaction.

As soon as the seminar is over, Jones is mobbed by people asking him to pose for photos and offering their own views on the 9/11 plot, as well as others such as the presence above our heads of chemtrails (deadly toxins sprayed by unidentified aircraft, which some believe are part of a secret global depopulation programme). This is the world Jones now inhabits – it seems a long way from a Utah physics department. I ask him later by phone if he has any regrets about publishing that fateful paper: “No regrets. I’ve thought of Galileo a few times. He got a little worse than I did, I suppose.”

Jones is typical of many 9/11 researchers in that the subject has taken over his professional life. Down the coast in Santa Barbara is another of the movement’s luminaries. On the beach at Isla Vista, one of the most expensive real-estate spots in the US, lives David Ray Griffin, a former theology professor. As his dogs scratch excitedly on the sliding door, Griffin explains that America’s primary faith is not Christianity, but nationalism. “Other countries do really terrible things. Our leaders never would. And that [belief] has been the biggest impediment to getting people to look at the evidence, because they just know a priori that that is ridiculous.”

Michael Meacher, UK politician

“It is clear the US authorities did little or nothing to pre-empt the events of 9/11”

Griffin now thinks the evidence to the contrary is incontrovertible. Until 2002, he had busied himself far from the rancour of public controversy writing rather obscure philosophical books and teaching philosophy of religion at the Claremont School of Theology. But the course of his research changed abruptly when he heard a visiting British theologian question the official account of 9/11. Two years later, Griffin’s The New Pearl Harbor, with a foreword by British MP Michael Meacher, became a touchstone in the 9/11 Truth movement. He has since written others, including one detailing the “omissions and distortions” of the 9/11 Commission, the report of which fits the definition of “conspiracy theory” neatly, he says. “They started with the conclusion that al-Qaeda did it and didn’t even consider the alternative that it was an inside job.”

Griffin was a script consultant on Loose Change Final Cut, part of the internet phenomenon that set off the current explosion of low-budget 9/11 DVDs. The previous version was viewed more than 10 million times on Google Video, according to Vanity Fair. In 2002, armed only with a laptop and off-the-shelf video production software, Dylan Avery, an 18-year-old resident of Oneonta, New York, set about making a fictional film about discovering, with his friends, that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government. At some point in his research, Avery had a “Dude, this * is real!” moment and Loose Change entered the realm of agit-prop documentary. Final Cut makes a bold new allegation: the Twin Towers were packed with deadly asbestos, which would have cost billions to clean up. “If you bring down the buildings,” says Griffin, “not only do you not have to pay ... to clean them up, somebody is going to make billions of dollars on the insurance.”

September 11 as insurance job? This seems to expand the circle of conspirators somewhat. Griffin ventures another possible explanation: the psychological impact. “You had these massive explosions, which rather looked like a nuclear blast,” he says. “That’s always been the deep fear of America. In the run-up to the Iraq war, that’s what they were talking about – we cannot wait until we have a nuclear cloud.”

Griffin offers one further speculation, this time on a question which is controversial even among 9/11 sceptics: what hit the Pentagon? Thierry Meyssan was the first to claim that it was not Flight 77 – an American Airlines 757 carrying 64 passengers – but a cruise missile that hit the west wall of the Pentagon at 9.37am on September 11. Websites have followed suit, pointing to the apparent lack of plane debris on the Pentagon lawn and the fact that the hole left in the outer ring of the building looks too small to accommodate the wingspan of a 757. Retired US Air Force captain Russ Wittenberg from Pilots for 9/11 Truth asserted that no inexperienced pilot could have performed the manoeuvre the 9/11 Commission concluded that al-Qaeda conspirator Hani Hanjour pulled off that morning: a 330° turn, 2,200ft descent, a full-throttle dive and then a 530 miles per hour plunge at ground level into the Pentagon. Call it “the magic plane theory”: doubters believe that, just as the bullet that killed Kennedy appeared to defy the laws of physics, so the plane that struck the Pentagon was like no other in existence.

And just as Nasa was forced to counter claims the moon landings were faked, these and other claims have forced the US State Department into the debunking business. Its Identifying Misinformation website states that debris from Flight 77 was indeed recovered, as were the remains of passengers and crew. Many witnesses saw the plane come in, and a number of passengers made phone calls to their loved ones telling them their flight had been hijacked.

There is also another obvious problem: if a missile hit the Pentagon, what happened to Flight 77? “There was a rumour that an airliner had gone down on the Ohio/Kentucky border and that was taken very seriously early on by the Federal Aviation Authority,” says Griffin. It later rejected the story. But Griffin claims the only evidence that Flight 77 was aloft after that was an alleged phone call from Barbara Olsen to Ted Olsen, the solicitor-general of the United States.

So how does he explain that phone call? Ted Olsen is a Bush administration insider, he says. Another possible answer, though, is “voice-morphing technology”. This would also explain the flurry of phone calls from United Airlines Flight 93, which, as the official story has it, crashed in a Pennsylvania field after passengers revolted against their hijackers.

Glossary of doubt

No-planers
People who claim that it wasn’t an aircraft, but a missile, that hit the Pentagon on September 11 2001. Some have taken it a step further and argued that no aircraft hit the twin towers, either. What the world saw that day, these sceptics argue, was either video trickery or cruise missiles disguised through image technology as aircraft.

Mihops
Truthers who believe the US government “Made it happen on purpose”, “it” being the destruction of September 11.

Lihops
A more moderate strain of truther who believe the government “Let it happen on purpose”.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth
Started by James Fetzer, the group advocates looking at all possible explanations of what happened on September 11, no matter how improbable.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice
The more moderate splinter group of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, led by Steven Jones. Endorses an “evidence-based approach” to questioning the 9/11 story.

It’s not just supporters of the official story who roll their eyes at these claims. They put Griffin in the camp of the “no-planers”, at least as far as the attack on the Pentagon is concerned. The no-planers enrage the rest of the truthers, who accuse them of sabotaging the credibility of the movement. The claim that no plane hit the Pentagon is a Trojan horse, they say – disinformation that serves the conspirators. Some – such as former MI5 whistleblower David Shayler – have even asserted that no planes, but missiles disguised by “cloaking technology”, hit the Twin Towers. Shayler, incidentally, proclaimed himself the Messiah last year.

If the 9/11 truth movement is fighting a kind of asymmetric war against official sources of knowledge, it is also battling itself. As the movement morphs into an international activist group, it recognises that if it is to convince middle Americans, it must distance itself from its exotic fringe. Once, it was the Mihops versus the Lihops. These factions, who sound like warring species from an H.G. Wells story, are those who believe the government Made It Happen On Purpose and those who think it Let It Happen On Purpose. The Mihops are in the ascendancy.

The genesis of all this can be traced back to a schism that followed the first real attempt to bring scholarly credibility to the 9/11 sceptics. In 2005, Steven Jones was invited to form a group called Scholars for 9/11 Truth by James Fetzer, a professor in the philosophy department at the University of Minnesota and the author of some 20 books on the philosophy of science and artificial intelligence. Fetzer teaches critical thinking, and is nothing if not critical. He has been campaigning for more than a decade to prove that the Zapruder film is a hoax perpetuated by the same government intelligence agencies that orchestrated JFK’s assassination.

But within a year, Jones had written to all members of Scholars announcing that he and others no longer wanted to be associated with Fetzer, who was, in the rebels’ opinion, holding them up to ridicule. Fetzer had backed a theory by Judy Wood, a former assistant professor in mechanical engineering at Clemson University, proposing that the Twin Towers were brought down by a “directed energy” weapon developed as part of the US government’s Star Wars programme. It prompted a stampede to a new group, Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice, headed by Jones. Confusing the two groups would be like mistaking Monty Python’s Judean People’s Front for the People’s Front of Judea: this was a major doctrinal split.

Fetzer’s view is that any serious inquiry into what happened on 9/11 should look at all possibilities. Supporters of the directed energy hypothesis keep popping up at 9/11 Truth lectures to heckle what Python fans might call the “splittist” thermite theorists. Among the advocates of the Star Wars theory is Morgan Reynolds, perhaps the first prominent US government official to claim that 9/11 was an inside job. At the time of the attacks, Reynolds was chief economist at the US Department of Labor.

Some Star Wars supporters, in turn, accuse proponents of the thermite hypothesis of being government shills. One, on CheckTheEvidence.com, alleges that Jones’s public denunciation of Star Wars theories is actually a Trojan horse; he notes that Jones once worked at Los Alamos, where directed energy weapons are researched. This line of conjecture also entangles Norman Mineta, US transportation secretary on September 11 2001. Mineta was the man who grounded all civilian aircraft on that morning. But he was also once vice-president of Lockheed Martin, a founding member of the Directed Energy Professional Society ... In this outer reach of the blogosphere, no one is ever more than six degrees of separation from the heart of the conspiracy.

Jones did, in fact, do post-doctoral research at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility for the University of Wyoming, but he says it was peaceful and non-weapons-related. He says the more out-there theories, including those of the no-planers, are harming the movement. “First, they discourage others who are trying to do serious work, and they tend to be quite vocal about their heckling,” he says. “More serious is that when we’re really trying to look at an evidence-based approach, we get lumped in with these people and then dismissed as a whole.”

Two days before Jones’s lecture in LA, his erstwhile colleague was taking his own campaign on the road on the other side of the country. After addressing Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth in New Hampshire, Fetzer was off to that seat of academic respectability, Yale University. To prepare for our meeting, I watched a DVD of a 9/11 symposium he held in his new hometown of Madison, Wisconsin last year. The star of this show was Alfred Lambremont Webre, a judge on former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad’s alternative international War Crimes Tribunal in Kuala Lumpur and co-author of the Space Preservation Treaty. He delivers what might be the most momentous opening line in the history of town hall seminars. “Fellow Citizens... 9/11 was a false flag operation by an international war crimes racketeering organisation to provide a pretext to engage in a genocidal and ecocidal depleted uranium bombing of central Asia, Afghanistan and Iraq in order to secure vast oil and uranium reserves; to roll out a terror-based national security state system worldwide and ... to implement the final stages of a world depopulation policy.” There are two more “false flag” operations in the pipeline, he says. The first is the war against asteroids, the second the “war against the evil aliens”.

Hearing this, you either experience the thrill of revelation or the sinking feeling that the person you are listening to is having some kind of breakdown. Within 30 minutes, Webre has folded into the 9/11 plot the Skull & Bones society at Yale University – or the “Brotherhood of Death”, as he calls it – neocon think-thank the Council on Foreign Relations, the Rothschilds, the Queen and the City of London. I wondered how all these conspiracies could be maintained without the whole conceit unravelling.

The answer, of course, is that there is only one conspiracy. Pearl Harbour, the moon landing, JFK, 9/11, the Illuminati, the Black Helicopters, Skull & Bones, chemtrails: all faces of the same demon. The plot goes all the way to the top, and all the way back in time. You could come to believe that it involves everyone except yourself – at which point it’s all over for you. And as I listened, I just waited for him to say the Word. And, inevitably, Webre brought it all back to the “international neo-Zionist organisation”.

I asked Fetzer about this as we sat in a cafe across from Yale, home of the Brotherhood of Death: how did he keep his scholars on message? “It’s obvious to me that you have to consider all the possible alternatives,” he says. “You can’t exclude any, lest, as you proceed in your investigation and eliminate hypotheses, you eliminate the true hypothesis because you’ve never allowed it to be considered.”

Fetzer’s talk later that night does not go well. A Yale student had promoted the lecture on Facebook Events, but fellow students had apparently been unwilling to add their names, which anyone can see, perhaps for fear of ridicule. Only six show up. When it becomes clear that Fetzer is implicating some kind of Star Wars weapon, the two next to me begin scrolling distractedly through their mobile phone messages. Within 10 minutes, they have left.

Lewis Lapham, journalist

“Americans are very good at dreaming up these scenarios”

The conclusion of the 9/11 Commission – the official story – is that the 2001 attacks got through because those charged with protecting America had not truly conceived of the threat: in its author’s evocative phrase, they had suffered a “failure of imagination”. After trawling the internet in search of 9/11 Truth, it seems to me the American imagination is strong. “Americans are very good at dreaming up these scenarios,” says Lewis Lapham, the former Harper’s magazine editor and a prominent critic of the Bush administration post-September 11. “We are open to all kinds of magical theories,” he says, citing the continuing fascination with the assassination of JFK. “We are also good at creating religions.” Lapham thinks the theory that 9/11 was an inside job follows in this long tradition, but also reflects cynicism among Americans towards their government. He does not accept that the Bush administration planned 9/11 or even allowed it to happen. Nonetheless, he thinks a new investigation is warranted. In 2004, Harper’s ran a trenchant piece describing the 9/11 Commission as a “whitewash” and a “cheat and a fraud” for downplaying evidence that warnings of the al-Qaeda threat were ignored. Such flaws allowed space for alternative theories to develop, Lapham says.

In this, there are shades of the Warren Commission into the assassination of President Kennedy, which served merely to deepen popular distrust. But if we have seen the likes of the 9/11 Truth movement before, it also represents something new. “With the Kennedy assassination, pretty soon after the events themselves there were fairly significant questions being raised by people of all types and stripes about what actually happened,” says Mark Fenster, a University of Florida law professor and author of Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture. “But whereas then it was a generalised, amorphous kind of response, the amount of organisation – politically and through alternative media – is far more striking now than it was back then.”

Fenster thinks that the 9/11 Truth movement is in some ways a typical American response to a surprising and traumatic event. But it also represents a step change in its use of telecommunications technology. “One of the interesting things, particularly in the beginning of this movement, was the extent to which there were a lot of local groups in different cities organising protests ... and they could co-ordinate and create a national and international movement,” he says. “Whether that translates into more people actually believing in the conspiracy theory is a completely different question.”

Fenster believes the few published polls on the subject, rather than showing any real depth of suspicion about 9/11, demonstrate declining trust in the Bush administration generally. The author of one of the most rigorous of the websites that aim to debunk the conspiracy theories, Debunking911.com, he notes that the most recent Zogby poll on attitudes towards 9/11 found only 4.6 per cent of Americans believe the Bush administration blew up the Twin Towers. “If you follow the website hits, you’ll find that since Debunking911 came into existence, conspiracy sites have been losing readership,” he says via e-mail. “I think all they needed was someone to fill in the parts conspiracy theorists left out of the conspiracy story and their numbers begin to shrink.”

Perhaps the 9/11 Truth movement is what one would expect in the dying days of an unpopular administration, and with no end in sight to a costly war. Whether it can maintain momentum when that government leaves office next year is anyone’s guess. In the meantime, some on the left accuse it of letting the leaders they so vehemently distrust off the hook. “They make a mockery of [civil rights] causes by associating their nonsense with genuinely important issues, and by diverting a large number of people who should know better into a unicorn hunt,” says British writer and activist George Monbiot. Monbiot is regularly heckled by 9/11 truthers at public events after accusing them in The Guardian of undermining genuine political opposition. His first column on the truthers prompted a near-record number of postings on the paper’s Comment Is Free website – 777 – many accusing him of being part of the conspiracy.

“It’s very interesting to see,” he says, “particularly in the United States, how the anti-war movement has been largely co-opted in many places by the 9/11 Truth movement. And we desperately need an active anti-war movement, because there is a lot of reckoning to be done.”

Peter Barber is the FT’s deputy comment editor

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A subtle hit piece IMHO.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Big news story in a big weekend edition of the FT.
This is very good news.
Ofcourse it is a balanced and detailed explanation and if read it will open alot of eyes.
This is not a hit piece because BBC and the zionist Murdoch press would never even give this subject the oxygen of publicity.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A subtle hit piece IMHO.


And not so subtle

After all what does the article put top of its glossary of doubt? Not Mihop: not Lihop: but No Planers

The theory so useful to the PTB that if it didnt exist, THEY would have to invent it

But in other ways the article contains a lot of high quality and interesting information especially when read carefully

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scubadiver wrote:
A subtle hit piece IMHO.


Absolutely. I think it depends where you stand on the 9/11 Disinformation Movement to fully appreciate it's subtlety. What a depressing read Sad

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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scubadiver wrote:
A subtle hit piece IMHO.


Absolutely. I think it depends where you stand on the 9/11 Disinformation Movement to fully appreciate it's subtlety. What a depressing read Sad


This is typical political journalism where the article discusses the dis-unity of the opposing organisation rather than actually getting down to establish the real facts and issues. There is so much dis-info within the truthers that the apologists can still get away with a "nothing of interest here" response. They don't need to "prove" anything because they would claim our arguments are in disarray.

Personally I think its only the no-planers that cause the confusion. The article claimed that a no-planer view on the pentagon was also a no-planer view of the twin towers attack - which personally was not ever my view.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nevertheless, this was better than the usual straightforwardly abusive article* that we are used to seeing. Lots of good information covered...which allows the curious to look up the material for themselves.

* like this attack (link below) on Jim Corr in the Irish independent last week. However, it looks like (please God) Ireland will reject the Lisbon Treaty in spite of all the government pressure that is going into the 'pro' campaign. Here's hoping Doherty and his ilk are choking on their cornflakes next weekend

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ian-odoherty/are-you-look ing-for--a-conspiracy-theory-just-ask-jim-corr-1394248.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Not a bad article, IMO... Reply with quote

My immediate reaction, when readin the FT article, was "Just another hit piece". However, upon reflection, I put myself in the position of the author. Suppose he had approached his bosses and said "I want to do an article about the various questions the '911 Truthers' are raising". What do you think would be the short sharp retort from the controlling media?

But how about "I want to do an article about the contadictions and infighting amongst the '911 Truthers'". A slightly different tack, and one which may possibly get through the controlling media bosses.

Then fill that article with the various questions and information, but presented as has been agreed with those bosses. Would it not get some of the public to look into the various questions and start to think for themselves? Not everyone admittedly. So I actually think that this is quite a good article in current times, bearing in mind that the controlling and controlled mainstream media would never run an unbiaised article regarding the many questions and anomolies of the 'official' fairy tale. The author has clearly much knowledge about the various questions and anomolies, and maybe this is his way of writing about these and getting them past the censors and into print.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Not a bad article, IMO... Reply with quote

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My immediate reaction, when readin the FT article, was "Just another hit piece". However, upon reflection, I put myself in the position of the author. Suppose he had approached his bosses and said "I want to do an article about the various questions the '911 Truthers' are raising". What do you think would be the short sharp retort from the controlling media?

But how about "I want to do an article about the contadictions and infighting amongst the '911 Truthers'". A slightly different tack, and one which may possibly get through the controlling media bosses.

Then fill that article with the various questions and information, but presented as has been agreed with those bosses. Would it not get some of the public to look into the various questions and start to think for themselves? Not everyone admittedly. So I actually think that this is quite a good article in current times, bearing in mind that the controlling and controlled mainstream media would never run an unbiaised article regarding the many questions and anomolies of the 'official' fairy tale. The author has clearly much knowledge about the various questions and anomolies, and maybe this is his way of writing about these and getting them past the censors and into print.


I agree with this. This may be as far as a symaphetic journalist can push it in the current climate.

It's not totally dismissive of ridiculing in tone and has some of the major questions in it - merely mentioning ae911truth should get a few people thinking "hold on - architects AND engineers?!" and looking them up.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The FT is the only paper which has no need to expound a political agenda, as such it is probably the most truly independent national in the UK. That stated, this article is written without opinion, only reporting what is observed, neither condoning nor condemning. The reporter in the Irish Independent gave the story the best he could under the political restraints in which he is placed.

Both articles are excellent, but only when we start to READ BETWEEN THE LINES.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just waiting to see whether the MSM pick this up in Monday's newspapers! After all FT is respected but not exactly the most widely read newspaper...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pugwash wrote:
The FT is the only paper which has no need to expound a political agenda, as such it is probably the most truly independent national in the UK. That stated, this article is written without opinion, only reporting what is observed, neither condoning nor condemning. The reporter in the Irish Independent gave the story the best he could under the political restraints in which he is placed.

Both articles are excellent, but only when we start to READ BETWEEN THE LINES.


Yes, maybe you're right.

These people have to do the best they can in difficult and even, perhaps, dangerous circumstances.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this article is a fantastic boost - pity the FT doesn't appear to have an online 'comments' section.
There is plenty of scope for those with the time to write letters to the editor (and personal letters to Peter Barber), hopefully praising the article (and filling out a few modifyable errors, such as making the 'phone calls' appear to contradict our position, when even the FBI says Barbara Olsen did not phone her husband, except for one unconnected attempt; I think this error would be acknowledged if pointed out).

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I think we should stop salivating about coverage in the mainstream media.

Many smart, dedicated and knowledgeable people work in the media industry, but (and forgive me for re-stating the obvious):

- the reporters' subsistence and the welfare of their loved ones depends on them holding on to their jobs, and these are tricky times

- newsmen and news divisions always report to / are controlled by central corporate HQs


Yeah this piece is probably what this guy could get away with. Personally I think it's bo££ocks, but I don't blame the guy, we ought to be realistic here.


That's what the sick elitist psychos have always had:

- some control of finance, and hence of subsistence

- some control of some crucial top positions


My point is:

- Prioritizing positive mainstream media coverage too highly is strategically flawed.

- Adopting pyramidic organizational structures is even more flawed.

We should become the media: what they can never control is a fuzzy swarm of knowledgeable, motivated scientific-method-and evidence-focused *individuals*.

Can individuals make a difference?


By the way, one movie on the subject that I couldn't recommend enough is the 1976 classic 'The network'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_(film)

Most of us will be familiar with the classic Howard Beale footage:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scubadiver wrote:
A subtle hit piece IMHO.


Yes, very well done.

A farmer taught me how to kill and it done subtley when done right. They do not even know it happened.

This is about as good as it gets.

To the fine person helping us heathens in the jungle by posting this, ta.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard Porter head of bbc world news has a blog. It now has a comment referencing the FT news item (which mentioned his blog).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/04/clear_brand.html#comment sanchor
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:49 am    Post subject: BBC Blog Reply with quote

I tried the link and got:

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Find and talk to the BBC's bloggers.

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This service is no longer available via this URL.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:14 am    Post subject: FT Magazine article a breakthrough Reply with quote

I would say that the FT Magazine article was a reluctant acceptance that there are massive questions to be answered concerning the official version of events surrounding 9/11.

If I were a truth sceptic, I would be thinking, "Hang on, what's all this about?"

If I were the journalist, I would be thinking, "How do I get this through my (sub) editor?"

If I were the editor, I would be thinking, "How do I publish anything on this without causing a financial revolution, and, even worse, losing half my readers?"

Whether it's a hit piece or not, it's a breakthrough, because it means that other editors can now do likewise.

It might still be a bit much to expect a Newsnight Review of ZERO, but we're getting there.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject: FT Magazine article scan Reply with quote

Here's a scan of the whole article: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/files/ftmag_2008_06_07_911truth_784. pdf

As you can see, prominence is given to truthers' quotes. The last page, of course, is the ritual 'why do people believe in conspiracy theories' epilogue. More discriminating readers will realise that the reverse is true: that fewer and fewer people are believing an anything at all related to 9/11.



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: BBC Blog Reply with quote

IanFantom wrote:
I tried the link and got:

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Try this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/04/clear_brand.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:48 am    Post subject: Re: FT Magazine article scan Reply with quote

IanFantom wrote:
Here's a scan of the whole article: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/files/ftmag_2008_06_07_911truth_784. pdf

As you can see, prominence is given to truthers' quotes. The last page, of course, is the ritual 'why do people believe in conspiracy theories' epilogue. More discriminating readers will realise that the reverse is true: that fewer and fewer people are believing an anything at all related to 9/11.


Wow - this actually looks much better in print than on the web. The photos of the truther in the tent - hmm - hints at social isolation but the badges front page is an exciting graphic.

While not totally 100% this is the best MSM coverage I have seen.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever the author and the editor were trying to do, I believe this is an extremely useful article. I have not seen any other article in the mainstream media in which the writer had clearly done his research so thoroughly.

anyone in the public eye, mindful of their reputation, when they write about this topic goes to great lenghths to explain they are not a "conspiracy theorist". Peter Tatchell did it. Robert Fisk did it by ranting about the absurdity of an angry "chair kicker" in Cork, but both advanced public exposure of the real doubts about the official conspiracy theory.

Yes of course campaigners tend to crystallise around different theories about what really happened, and that may make us look like a disunited rabble, but we are all united about one thing: we have been lied to and the truth whatever it is, must be uncovered.

Many thanks to Peter Barber. Yes, of course you're not a conspiracy theorist, Peter. You just happen to know more about the 9/11 truth movement than many on this blog do.

I'm inclined to the views advanced by Spiv:

"My immediate reaction, when readin the FT article, was "Just another hit piece". However, upon reflection, I put myself in the position of the author. Suppose he had approached his bosses and said "I want to do an article about the various questions the '911 Truthers' are raising". What do you think would be the short sharp retort from the controlling media?

"But how about "I want to do an article about the contadictions and infighting amongst the '911 Truthers'". A slightly different tack, and one which may possibly get through the controlling media bosses.

"Then fill that article with the various questions and information, but presented as has been agreed with those bosses. Would it not get some of the public to look into the various questions and start to think for themselves? Not everyone admittedly. So I actually think that this is quite a good article in current times, bearing in mind that the controlling and controlled mainstream media would never run an unbiaised article regarding the many questions and anomolies of the 'official' fairy tale. The author has clearly much knowledge about the various questions and anomolies, and maybe this is his way of writing about these and getting them past the censors and into print. "


and by Ian Fantom:

"I would say that the FT Magazine article was a reluctant acceptance that there are massive questions to be answered concerning the official version of events surrounding 9/11.

If I were a truth sceptic, I would be thinking, "Hang on, what's all this about?"

If I were the journalist, I would be thinking, "How do I get this through my (sub) editor?"

If I were the editor, I would be thinking, "How do I publish anything on this without causing a financial revolution, and, even worse, losing half my readers?"

Whether it's a hit piece or not, it's a breakthrough, because it means that other editors can now do likewise.

It might still be a bit much to expect a Newsnight Review of ZERO, but we're getting there. "
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: FT Magazine article scan Reply with quote

IanFantom wrote:
Here's a scan of the whole article: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/files/ftmag_2008_06_07_911truth_784. pdf


Having seen this my views are now less extremist!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: FT Magazine article scan Reply with quote

scubadiver wrote:


Having seen this my views are now less extremist!


An intriguing remark, Scuba! Could you elaborate?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some things always surprise me...

Big story in Financial Times... and a week later, not a squeak. I thought it may have trickled out into the MSM, but no. Perhaps it would have been considered bad form since W was coming to town.

I even emailed the author of the piece and not a reply.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the globe:
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/mail/fl20080617zg.html
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