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zennon
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 Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: The Club of Rome |
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What is it? If heard it from certain people quite a few times before. It's usually associated with the Bilderberg group, the CFR and the RIIA.
It's wiki says it a "global think tank", in the same light as the other two. I have had major reservations about the latter two, but never really paid attention to the Club of Rome.
I'm asking because I'm revising for a politics exam I've got coming up. The subject is Environmentalism, and the international institutions such as the UN supporting environmentalist movements.
The textbook I'm revising from mentions the 1987 Brundtland report which calls for "sustainable development" by living within our means i.e. there's too many of us; "first popularized by the Club of Rome".
Can anyone give me a brief summary of this group which hasn't been filtered through wikipedia? Any literature or book recommendations are most welcome. |
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TonyGosling
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elohim
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Zennon...
The following link is to the World In Balance website which has a scanned PDF copy of the Brundtland report 1987, I think its the one you mention in your text book.
http://www.worldinbalance.net/agreements/1987-brundtland.html
or direct PDF link:
http://www.worldinbalance.net/pdf/1987-brundtland.pdf
(Its a 26MB file BTW)
Research into the COR would not be research without a mention of their 2 most "Famous" books.
1) The limits to Growth - 1972
2) The First Global Revolution - 1991?
Lifted from First Global revolution:
| Quote: | It would seem that humans need a common motivation, namely a common adversary, to organize and act together in the vacuum; such a motivation must be found to bring the divided nations together to face an outside enemy, either a real one or else one invented for the purpose.
New enemies therefore have to be identified.
New strategies imagined, new weapons devised.
The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.
All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself |
Hard copies of these books can be pretty hard (and expensive) to get hold of, while on-line PDF versions ain't much easier.
Google does have a limited preview version:
http://books.google.com/books?id=8RNKHGbzUuAC
Be warned, though it's only a preview, so pages (the controversial ones) have been omitted and it's not the full book.
The COR website does list it's reports and publications, although you cant read many of the reports, googling the title will sometimes show you a text version elsewhere.
Most of the publications are available to read
http://www.clubofrome.org/archive/reports.php
A good summary of the COR, its aims and members can be found on the excellent website below.
http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html
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James C
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| elohim wrote: | | Research into the COR would not be research without a mention of their 2 most "Famous" books. |
Mentioning these books isn't really good enough, you need to read them first which I have.
At no point do the books advocate aggressive policies towards humanity. They openly indicate the parameters under which the books are written, especially The Limits to Growth in which they show how they created the given scenarios and that there need not be limits to growth if we are careful.
These books are really about stating the obvious as it happens. For instance, if the world can only feed x billion people even using the best technology then >x billion people on the planet will cause problems. Simple really and even if some dubious types were/are behind the COR, they too need to know what the limits are which means the limits are probably accurate and should be a concern to us all.
Personally, I think it is sad that such work by this group can be claimed to be conspiratorial. Like it or not, us humans cannot continue to go about leading western type lifesyles, which are f*cking up the planet and causing misery to other humans (in the third world), and then get all pissy when we are reminded of this or are asked to stop. This is definitely double standards and I wonder how many people who criticize the COR buy food from Tesco and Sainsbury's or use low cost air travel. And if you don't know why doing these things are bad then you shouldn't be having a go at this group. |
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elohim
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| Quote: | elohim wrote:
Research into the COR would not be research without a mention of their 2 most "Famous" books.
Mentioning these books isn't really good enough, you need to read them first which I have. |
James, I used the word mentioning since I was mentioning them to Zennon who was doing the research, unless that is, you want me to F*cking reproduce the whole f*cking 2 books word for word here on line. (A star doesn't really hide the word does it now, James?)
Congratulations on reading the books though, I am sure for the most part they bored you to tears like they did me.
You are right, I would not call these books conspiratorial, yet they do, like all their works, package fluffy scenario's in which mankind and its World Problematique can be one united family under a global governorship - revealing their true agenda.
You really need to think about the little things they slip into their writings. In the limits to growth they lovingly wrote about world over population and how the world eco systems would collapse if they (we - mankind -like we have a choice) didn't do something.
How sweet, sounds reasonable to me. How are they going to do this?
" Either the birth rate must be brought down to equal the new, lower death rate, or the death rate must rise again.”
I am sorry, but even if you accept their over population assertion, who the heck are these unelected clowns to think they can set this agenda and how have they done it (vaccinations, poison diets?).
You see, these books are not written for the "useless eaters", just as Huxley's and Russell's weren't.
These books, the COR itself is for other globalist noble members such as Maurice Strong (ala the lovely Agenda 21) or Al Gore, David Rockerfeller, Bill Gates, Kissenger, Blair, Clinton, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands.
It's just another arm of a "Think Tank" to guide mankind a certain direction, do you want to go in that direction?
| Quote: | Personally, I think it is sad that such work by this group can be claimed to be conspiratorial.
Like it or not, us humans cannot continue to go about leading western type lifestyles, which are f*cking up the planet and causing misery to other humans (in the third world), and then get all pissy when we are reminded of this or are asked to stop. |
What exactly of our "Western lifestyles" are F*cking" up the planet?
Overpopulation - A Myth
The Environment - Our Carbon Footprint - This is divisive, however while not justification alone (I have others) the mere fact that a group has admitted to using the idea of pollution to meet their agenda should start alarm bells ringing.
Causing misery to the third world - Get real, the IMF, UN, governments and the World bank, or in other words the very members of the COR cause the misery in the third world.
| Quote: | This is definitely double standards and I wonder how many people who criticize the COR buy food from Tesco and Sainsbury's or use low cost air travel.
And if you don't know why doing these things are bad then you shouldn't be having a go at this group. |
Excuse me, who the hell are you to tell anybody what's bad and what's not?
Just for fun why don't you tell me what's so bad about those 3 things.
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James C
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elohim,
Tesco profits just not cricket
One of hundreds about Tesco. There's plenty about Sainsbuy's also. Please go and read these for yourself and then you might realise that their actions are no different to those of the so-called elite you abhor. The growth of these mega companies is threatening our farmers, shopkeepers, third world farmers, the environment and competition not to mention taste.
The True Cost of Flying
Flying is truly bad for the environment.
Overpopulation is a myth. Any evidence for this?
| elohim wrote: | | Either the birth rate must be brought down to equal the new, lower death rate, or the death rate must rise again.” |
FYI, the birth rate in the western world is currently below that needed to maintain the population. Populations are rising in the west only due to immigration which must mean that our leaders have created decent and attractive places to live. Interesting articles here and here
| elohim wrote: | | Causing misery to the third world - Get real, the IMF, UN, governments and the World bank, or in other words the very members of the COR cause the misery in the third world. |
Exactly, these are western constructs designed to reinforce our lifestyles. If you cannot see how you and I directly benefit from their actions in the third world just so that we can eat cheap food, heat our homes for practically nothing, enjoy our leisure time and dispose of our rubbish without consequence then you can't appreciate what I am saying.
And you don't have to look very far to see the exploitation by western companies involved in food, clothing and manufacturing, again, so that you and I benefit at the expense of others. For instance, to be slightly more specific, we don't know what seasonal food is anymore or appreciate the true cost of clothing textiles. Why don't you ask those Vietnamese farmers and their families who have lost their rice fields to failed prawn businesses sold to them by western companies just so that we can have a once upon a time luxury of king prawns every day, all year round at low cost. I can go on.
Can you justify supporting that kind of exploitation? Or perhaps you are just not aware that these things exist.
| elohim wrote: | | (A star doesn't really hide the word does it now, James?) |
No, but without it, the f word doesn't appear at all due to the automatic censoring of bad language. |
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And here's another excellent piece on the Club of Rome
Reshaping the International Order - Part 4
Reshaping Public Opinion and the White Coated Propagandists
http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=291
| Quote: | The Club of Rome is a premiere think tank composed of approximately 100 members including leading scientists, philosophers, political advisors, former politicians and many other influential bureaucrats and technocrats. This series of articles describes the major conclusions of the 1976 book Rio: Reshaping the International Order: A Report to the Club of Rome [1] coordinated by Nobel Laureate Jan Tinbergen. The RIO report “addresses the following question: what new international order should be recommended to the world’s statesmen and social groups so as to meet, to the extent practically and realistically possible, the urgent needs of today’s population and the probable needs of future generations?”
Part 1 of this series gives an overview of the proposed new international order described by the RIO report as “humanistic socialism”. This includes: collective neighbourhood armies, a fully planned world economy, global free trade, public international enterprises, proposed changes in consumption patterns among other topics. Changes to the financial system including international taxation and the creation of a World Treasury, World Central Bank and World Currency are examined in part 2. Part 3 addresses the redefinition of sovereignty from “territorial sovereignty” to “functional sovereignty” as well as the use of the concept of the “common heritage of mankind” to gain international control of not just the oceans, atmosphere and outer space but also all material and non-material resources.
Importance of Public Opinion
Any attempt at creating a new international order requires the reshaping of public opinion from their current modes of thought into newer more appropriate forms. This important detail was not overlooked by The Club of Rome.
From RIO: Reshaping the International Order:
[Italicised text is original emphasis and bolded text is added by author.]
“The possibility of implementing ideas of a new power structure would, in democratic societies, necessitate the acceptance of such ideas by wide sections of public opinion. It is of paramount importance, therefore, that new ways and means be found to establish, within industrialized countries, contacts between formal and informal groups of concerned citizens, scientists and politicians…” - 109
“Political feasibility. Crucially important especially during the early phases of the transformation of the existing order…” - 101
“Development implies a constant destruction of sociological and psychological structures. The real problem of development is cleverly to balance positive and real improvements with severe destructions… It is the responsibility of every nation to make its own choice between economic progress and socio-psych structure destructions, and to define its own fundamental objectives for real development, which is the development of man as a totality and of the totality of men.” - (Part of RIO member Maurice Guernier’s position statement) - 321
“The satisfaction of needs implies that each person available for and willing to work should have an adequately remunerated job… Education is the most important non-material component for fulfilling individual ambitions… At a higher level, education not only contributes directly to individual satisfaction by developing that individual’s spiritual endowment, but also indirectly by preparing the individual, mentally as well as morally, for a future role in a changing world…” - 64 |
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