Another Celeb Truther Loses the Plot

[A Sharp Major]

Scroll down to 10 June 2008 and David Ray Griffin (sorry, I can't link directly)

http://www.screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

In the first minute; Griffin claims the original Pearl Harbour was an inside job but not a bad thing? Rrrrrrright. There are gasps from his small (?) audience, I like to think that it is the sound of pennies dropping, Griffin is la la, truthiness is for losers. (Debating/arguing with them just a little less so ).


Any truthers agree with truth guru Griffin and think that the US played Japan, attacked their own naval base as an excuse to declare war on Japan, which was a good thing? Or is Griffin an idiot who cannot be trusted on anything?

How the 'mighty' are falling. :

[chek]

You might want to check out Stinnett's FOIA informed tome Day of Deceit - if your cosy preconceptions can take it - before commenting further.

[Alex_V]

If any truther thinks their case is strengthened by reference to other contentious conspiracy theories, they really are in serious denial. Chek's answer here seems to be "Obviously you haven't read the book that proves that Pearl Harbour was an inside job!". As if the existence of a book justifies all! It is FOIA informed apparently, in Alex Jones style. Of course there are many more books on Holocaust denial - are we to assume that their claims to authenticity are also genuine?

[A Sharp Major]

Yes yes chek. Failing to correctly interpret or act on intelligence is one thing (if so), a self inflicted wound is another. Preventing/mitigating Pearl Harbour would have meant an attack on the Japanese fleet, result; war. The US already had an excuse to go to war against the Axis as a German submarine had sunk a US warship a full month previous. No further outrage needed.

Griffin is as nutty and as dishonest as Jimmy Walters, Judy Wood, Jim Fetzer, Steven Jones, Alex Jones, David Shayler, David Icke, those 'Architects' and 'Engineers' for truthiness exposed thus far and any number of head bobbing loons at Ground Zero bellowing, 'nine eleven was an inside job.' However this is not news.

You seem to be one of the last 'fort holders' chek. Contrary to some of the more excitable truthers' claims, truthiness is collapsing. Hurry, take your research and evidence to the press. Do it in person. Impress them with your intellect, education, application, research, evidence. If you can't leave the house, get them to come to you. Remember, contrary to some of the more excitable truthers' claims, journalists are a pretty fearless bunch and newpaper owners love to stick it to governments. Go chek...................any time now......... what are you waiting for?

[chek]

Well, that was either a record breaking bit of speed reading by you two, or a classic bit of popular myth hugging at all costs (backed as usual with the by now expected evidence-free arguments).

I know which one my money's on.

[pepik]

He is saying Pearl Harbour was LIHOP right?

[A Sharp Major]

Yes chek, whatever. Maybe another FOI release will incriminate the US Government in 9-11. Governments up to no good cover up, then pass laws allowing the public to get the info. What are you and the remaining active (sic) truthers waiting for?

Now, on the subject of evidence (R)

[A Sharp Major]

[chek]

[chek]

[A Sharp Major]

So they weren't annoyed enough and thought a good way to get annoyed enough would be to risk the destruction of the entire Pacific Fleet (even those ships, men and aircraft at sea), then declare war with precious little between the Japanese Fleet and hometown USA. Brilliant strategy. Is your first name Carl?

[Mark Gobell]

[chek]

[Mark Gobell]

I scrolled down to this:

[A Sharp Major]

chek said

[Mark Gobell]

We're still waiting for the academics at Cambridge University to respond iirc.

Perhaps you would care to comment?

Is that the same press, you talk about that covered the error in the UK government's narrative about London 7/7 ?

You big bold truther you ?

[A Sharp Major]

Mark Gobell was incredulous

[Mark Gobell]

Mark Gobell remains incredulous:

scrolled down to this:

[A Sharp Major]

If Mark Gobell is addressing me in this (one can never tell - poor show)

[Micpsi]

Well, as a Cambridge graduate in theoretical physics (B.A. (Cantab), 1st class honours), with a Master of Science degree in high-energy physics, a Ph.D in theoretical physics, 20 years of research collaboration with several Nobel Prize winners, forty-five publications in peer-reviewed physics journals, three books published on particle physics and now a 9/11 truther, I must somehow have bumped my head at some stage.

[A Sharp Major]

I'm a little late in replying but there is life outside 9/11 Truth (Critics' Corner).

[Micpsi]

[sam]

[A Sharp Major]

Asked if micpsi 'knew' Prof. JB² micpsi replied

[A Sharp Major]

Micpsi said

[A Sharp Major]

No deal then? Does that mean Miscpsi is not a PhD physicist and not published or just not seen the request for access to his or her published work above?

JB²?