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 Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Molten STEEL Flowed Under Ground Zero for Months After 9/11 |
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| Quote: | Molten STEEL Flowed Under Ground Zero for Months After 9/11
In response to the numerous reports of molten metal under ground zero, defenders of the official version of 9/11 have tried to argue that it was not steel, but some other kind of metal with a lower melting point.
Well, here are what top experts who eyewitnessed the molten metal say:
The structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC, described fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks (page 3)
A retired professor of physics and atmospheric science said "in mid-October when they would pull out a steel beam, the lower part would be glowing dull red, which indicates a temperature on the order of 500 to 600 °C. And we know that people were turning over pieces of concrete in December that would flash into fire--which requires about 300 °C. So the surface of the pile cooled rather rapidly, but the bulk of the pile stayed hot all the way to December"
The head of a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reported, "Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel"
Hazardous materials experts also stated that, six weeks after 9/11, "There are pieces of steel being pulled out [from as far as six stories underground] that are still cherry red" and "the blaze is so 'far beyond a normal fire' that it is nearly impossible to draw conclusions about it based on other fires" (pay-per-view)
An expert stated about World Trade Center building 7, "A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been PARTLY EVAPORATED in extraordinarily high temperatures" (pay-per-view). Note that evaporation means conversion from a liquid to a gas; so the steel beams in building 7 were subjected to temperatures high enough to melt and evaporate them
According to reporter Christopher Bollyn, MarkLoizeaux, president the world's top demolition company, and Peter Tully, head of a large construction firm, said the following:
Tully told AFP that he had seen pools of “literally molten steel” in the rubble.
Loizeaux confirmed this: “Yes, hot spots of molten steel in the basements,” he said, “at the bottom of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven levels.”
The molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,” he said. He confirmed that molten steel was also found at WTC 7, which mysteriously collapsed in the late afternoon.
Here's what eyewitness firefighters say:
New York firefighters recalled in a documentary film, "heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel"
A NY firefighter described molten steel flowing at ground zero, and said it was like a "foundry" or like "lava"
According to a member of New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing, who was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6, "One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots"
As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O'Toole saw a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, "was dripping from the molten steel"
Here's what other eyewitnesses say:
A public health advisor who arrived at Ground Zero on September 12, said that "feeling the heat" and "seeing the molten steel" there reminded him of a volcano
An employee of New Jersey's Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue witnessed "Fires burn[ing and molten steel flow[ing] in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet"
A reporter with rare access to the debris at ground zero "descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams"
An Occupational Safety and Health Administration Officer at the Trade Center reported a fire truck 10 feet below the ground that was still burning two weeks after the Tower collapsed, "its metal so hot that it looked like a vat of molten steel"
A witness said “In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel”
A NY Department of Sanitation spokeswoman said "for about two and a half months after the attacks, in addition to its regular duties, NYDS played a major role in debris removal - everything from molten steel beams to human remains..."
The fact that there was molten steel under ground zero for months after 9/11 is very odd, especially since firefighters sprayed millions of gallons of water on the fires and applied high-tech fire retardants. |
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Good post.
This is good enough evidence to convince me that the firefighters' reports of molten metal are not bogus as some claim.
The question is of course is if the official story says the steel in the wtc didn't need to be melted but only softened by temperatures of 650 degrees (i.e. the hydrocarbon fires from the jet fuel) then what caused these temperatures to remain for weeks? |
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But remember that NIST says :-
| Quote: | | The condition of the steel in the wreckage of the WTC towers (i.e., whether it was in a molten state or not) was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing. |
Now that's a sentence well worth reading a few times ..... |
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| KP50 wrote: | But remember that NIST says :-
| Quote: | | The condition of the steel in the wreckage of the WTC towers (i.e., whether it was in a molten state or not) was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse since it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition of the steel when the WTC towers were standing. |
Now that's a sentence well worth reading a few times ..... |
Yes. It is amazing, staggering even, what statements have come together to defend the official conspiracy theory.
This judgement is so laughable that you wonder why anyone would write down such a thing. I suppose the Zelikow's and his ilk at NIST know that the mainstream media are completely onside so 'who gives a s*it'.
This statement is pure chutzpah and shows contempt for the public at large.
Mind you, I suppose those lightly heated and 'weakened' steel beams could have melted on impact with the ground. They did fall rather a long way after all. |
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| kbo234 wrote: | | Mind you, I suppose those lightly heated and 'weakened' steel beams could have melted on impact with the ground. They did fall rather a long way after all. |
Not far off it, but I recall from early debates with some of the more swivel-eyed rationalists from JREF that "frictional heating" during collapse could have made a major contribution to that massive, steel-ablating heat.
Which just goes to show. Something or other...
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sniper talks a load of bollocking bullshooeeiit.
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Al, you somehow manage to scale new heights of vapid incomprehension with every post you make, which can't be easy.
Yet you make it look so effortless.
Well done.
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Chek, you somehow manage to scale new heights of vapid incomprehension with every post you make, which you've shown to be effortless and consistent.
Why?
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | Chek, you somehow manage to scale new heights of vapid incomprehension with every post you make, which you've shown to be effortless and consistent.
Why? |
As come backs go, even for a dullard of a mate (and you'll find that defending fools is a thankless occupation), a parrot routine is pretty weak.
Oscar Wilde can certainly rest easy. You stick to studying numbers, or chicken entrails or whatever it is you do Mark.
I can only conclude that you haven't understood a word of the preceeding posts in the thread either, and so haven't comprehended the true depths of gormlessness plumbed by 'no planes' Al's typically inane and disposable contribution.
Normally, in such a situation as this, I'd have ended with a final, singular and dismissive 'twat' or somesuch, which does possess a certain direct and accurate expressiveness. But I figured it would only be superfluous as most readers with a literacy rating only slightly superior to that of a mollusc who will consciously or unconsciously add it for me anyway. While also allowing me to remain within the boundaries of acceptable forum etiquette.
Oh - and be sure to let me know the next time one of your own posts (or 'no planes' Al's) gets 24,000+ views.
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | Chek, you somehow manage to scale new heights of vapid incomprehension with every post you make, which you've shown to be effortless and consistent.
Why? |
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Molten STEEL Flowed Under Ground Zero for Months After 9 |
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Let's dump the rubbish and start this one again.
| blackcat wrote: | http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/04/molten-steel-flowed-unde r-ground-zero.html
Go to site above for many links to sources.
| Quote: | Molten STEEL Flowed Under Ground Zero for Months After 9/11
In response to the numerous reports of molten metal under ground zero, defenders of the official version of 9/11 have tried to argue that it was not steel, but some other kind of metal with a lower melting point.
Well, here are what top experts who eyewitnessed the molten metal say:
The structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC, described fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks (page 3)
A retired professor of physics and atmospheric science said "in mid-October when they would pull out a steel beam, the lower part would be glowing dull red, which indicates a temperature on the order of 500 to 600 °C. And we know that people were turning over pieces of concrete in December that would flash into fire--which requires about 300 °C. So the surface of the pile cooled rather rapidly, but the bulk of the pile stayed hot all the way to December"
The head of a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reported, "Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel"
Hazardous materials experts also stated that, six weeks after 9/11, "There are pieces of steel being pulled out [from as far as six stories underground] that are still cherry red" and "the blaze is so 'far beyond a normal fire' that it is nearly impossible to draw conclusions about it based on other fires" (pay-per-view)
An expert stated about World Trade Center building 7, "A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been PARTLY EVAPORATED in extraordinarily high temperatures" (pay-per-view). Note that evaporation means conversion from a liquid to a gas; so the steel beams in building 7 were subjected to temperatures high enough to melt and evaporate them
According to reporter Christopher Bollyn, MarkLoizeaux, president the world's top demolition company, and Peter Tully, head of a large construction firm, said the following:
Tully told AFP that he had seen pools of “literally molten steel” in the rubble.
Loizeaux confirmed this: “Yes, hot spots of molten steel in the basements,” he said, “at the bottom of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven levels.”
The molten steel was found “three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed,” he said. He confirmed that molten steel was also found at WTC 7, which mysteriously collapsed in the late afternoon.
Here's what eyewitness firefighters say:
New York firefighters recalled in a documentary film, "heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel"
A NY firefighter described molten steel flowing at ground zero, and said it was like a "foundry" or like "lava"
According to a member of New York Air National Guard's 109th Air Wing, who was at Ground Zero from September 22 to October 6, "One fireman told us that there was still molten steel at the heart of the towers' remains. Firemen sprayed water to cool the debris down but the heat remained intense enough at the surface to melt their boots"
As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O'Toole saw a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, "was dripping from the molten steel"
Here's what other eyewitnesses say:
A public health advisor who arrived at Ground Zero on September 12, said that "feeling the heat" and "seeing the molten steel" there reminded him of a volcano
An employee of New Jersey's Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue witnessed "Fires burn[ing and molten steel flow[ing] in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet"
A reporter with rare access to the debris at ground zero "descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams"
An Occupational Safety and Health Administration Officer at the Trade Center reported a fire truck 10 feet below the ground that was still burning two weeks after the Tower collapsed, "its metal so hot that it looked like a vat of molten steel"
A witness said “In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel”
A NY Department of Sanitation spokeswoman said "for about two and a half months after the attacks, in addition to its regular duties, NYDS played a major role in debris removal - everything from molten steel beams to human remains..."
The fact that there was molten steel under ground zero for months after 9/11 is very odd, especially since firefighters sprayed millions of gallons of water on the fires and applied high-tech fire retardants. |
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| kbo234 wrote: | | Let's dump the rubbish and start this one again. |
You'll find that Gobell and Alwun are aligned with the Johnson camp and that the molten steel is therefore a fictional 'psy-op' in the Woodian terminology.
Hence the juvenile and evidence-free, if unsuccessful and transparent, attempt at disruption as a result of their inability to contribute anything salient.
Motivations for which are not lost on those with the gravest suspicion of those promoting nonsense theories.
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| chek wrote: | | You'll find that Gobell and Alwun are aligned with the Johnson camp and that the molten steel is therefore a fictional 'psy-op' in the Woodian terminology. |
Yup, don't you love how they screech at you that you "refuse to look at all the evidence!" (meaning you don't conclude that burnt cars must must beam weapons) and then in the next breath dismiss all evidence which doesn't fit the theory as fakery (including highly credible evidence about molten metal and of course those famous "decoy squibs")? You couldn't write this stuff...
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| Stefan wrote: | | chek wrote: | | You'll find that Gobell and Alwun are aligned with the Johnson camp and that the molten steel is therefore a fictional 'psy-op' in the Woodian terminology. |
Yup, don't you love how they screech at you that you "refuse to look at all the evidence!" (meaning you don't conclude that burnt cars must must beam weapons) and then in the next breath dismiss all evidence which doesn't fit the theory as fakery (including highly credible evidence about molten metal and of course those famous "decoy squibs")? You couldn't write this stuff... |
That's right, you certainly couldn't - not even if you were hoping to hang on to a shred of legitimacy to say the level of a Holywood screenplay where disbelief being suspended goes without saying.
Not to mention an organ grinder can run a whole troupe of monkeys, not just the one, which it's plain to see after some time making note of their modus operandi. The fact that they quite obviously haven't read the material in the links goes without saying. Know-nothings showing themselves to be nothings in action, expressing their visceral dislike of me with flea-bite attempts to disparage, all the while disrupting and adding nothing but irrelevance to the thread subject.
Why would that be? he wondered aloud.
It's interesting the way that the recent critic's corner debate concerning the molten flows from WTC2 immediately prior to collapse petered out when they were asked to provide some examples of their hotly contested (no pun intended) assertions that the colour of light emissions from the material flowing from the corner of WTC2 immediately prior to collapse somehow doesn't conform to the known colour table for heat/temperature output. Just as Wood and her acolytes attack the same 'staring you in the face' evidence from a different perspective, and with a different breed of monkey. But, they're still nothing but monkeys with inane noise and screeching instead of evidence to present.
Not that I'm alleging any collusion whatsoever, but it's interesting nevertheless how they pursue the same endgame of denial of what was witnessed, recorded and documented at the time.
I sometimes wonder - with, it must be admitted, a smile - how come AJ and JW didn't put out a scientific Mayday on the academia airwaves to come and witness with himself and "Dr." Wood (I use quotes because I've never yet seen a statement that could be construed as coming from a scientist by her) the ongoing process of "molecular disassociation" being covered up, to this day, at Ground Zero.
No doubt he had a flight to catch, and was reduced to asking politely at 911 Movement afterwards for someone to please go do it for him. The Greatest Scientific Discovery of the Age, kiboshed due to BA flight times/other committments. Isn't that always the way?
You have to laugh, really you do. Whether at the gullibility of the followers or the barren brazenness of their leaders I don't know.
Probably both, equally.
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Chek
You really do seem to have an over active imagination.
Or you're just paranoid and have some heavy investment in dividing people up into camps.
I've said before, and I think I need to say it again now, I am not Al's mate.
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| Chek wrote: | | You'll find that Gobell and Alwun are aligned with the Johnson camp |
Speaking for myself, I have no alignment with the Johnson camp, whatever that is in the polarised cleft you call your mind.
Truth is Chek, there's something about your campaign on here, that, no matter how I try to ignore it, I find myself responding to you, when you ridicule and bully folk with your arrogant nonsense.
It has nothing to do with being in a "camp" Chek.
For me it has everything to do with being highly suspicious of just what it is you are doing here?
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | Chek
You really do seem to have an over active imagination.
Or you're just paranoid and have some heavy investment in dividing people up into camps.
I've said before, and I think I need to say it again now, I am not Al's mate. |
So you say, yet we've been here before haven't we Mark? And if I recall correctly it was ...oh yes, defending good ol' 'no planes' Al.
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| Chek wrote: | | You'll find that Gobell and Alwun are aligned with the Johnson camp |
Speaking for myself, I have no alignment with the Johnson camp, whatever that is in the polarised cleft you call your mind. |
And yet only last month you were presuming to speak in his defence. Funny that you never responded to my reply to you there.
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=112365&highlight=#11 2365
| Mark Gobell wrote: | | Truth is Chek, there's something about your campaign on here, that, no matter how I try to ignore it, I find myself responding to you, when you ridicule and bully folk with your arrogant nonsense. |
I suspect you wouldn't recognise 'the truth' if it fell on you Mark, but perhaps an example of what you mean would be appropriate.
| Mark Gobell wrote: | | It has nothing to do with being in a "camp" Chek. |
Au contraire Mark, it has everything to do with 'camps' and your denied yet there-all-the-same predeliction for defending rubbish theories and their proponents from the rubbish theories camp.
Perhaps you aren't self aware enough to have noticed that before. I expect you were too tied up in your cod numerology, or decoding chicken entrails or whatever your interest is.
| Mark Gobell wrote: | | For me it has everything to do with being highly suspicious of just what it is you are doing here? |
That should be quite obvious by now to anybody interested in raising public awareness of regarding 911. Which is probably why it seems such a mystery to you.
Still, all that diversion and disruption aside, you've still got nothing relevant to add to the thread then Mark? Perhaps you could explain your own and Al's contributions here in case I'm missing something, but I doubt it. So what are you doing here?
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I think Chek, and all of us, have good reason to be p|ssed off when researchers are doing good work and compiling top-class evidence for the existence of molten iron/steel at ground zero, the temperatures recorded there and for how long, and supposed truth campaigners are coming in and dismissing it because it doesn't fit their prefered (evidence-less theory) - especially when said gang frequently accuse people who don't agree with them as "ignoring the evidence".
What greater ignoring of evidence is there than the continual blanket "fakery" cry of the Wood's bunch to anything which does not fit a beam weapon? Explosions within the towers? Lies! Molten Metal? Lies! Suibs? Decoy squibs!
At the same time the shrill cry of ignoring evidence relates to not coming to the same conclusions from evidence, not from ignoring it.
"Perfectly circular holes" - which aren't perfectly circular except in a single photo from a certain angle - and occur in a place (the roof of WTC6) where we can SEE WITH OUR OWN EYES a shed load of debris falls directly onto. Where is the "mystery" of WTC6's roof caving in when anyone can look at a video of the North Tower collapse and watch it be utterly bombarded with large parts of said tower?
"Toasted Cars kilometers away" except there is no evidence they were kilometers away when they set alight. In fact in the Elephant in the Room clean up workers comment specifically to how many burning cars there were in the rubble heap of the twin towers - lots of them - and they were presumably all "cleaned up" - ie. towed to nearby streets so the rescue mission could go on.
What else is there? The claim that powerful explosives couldn't pulversie concrete? That there "isn't enough steel" at ground zero? That steel evaporated? All completly without any evidence and any scientific basis.
I've had enough!
I've had enough of the casual attacking of the very best evidence there is for an inside job, such as molten metal, by people supposedly on our side in support of a theory which will never be proved and never bring anything but ridicule on our efforts.
"Qui Tam! Qui Tam!" STFU!!!!!! Of course a court accepted YOUR argument - it's so easy to defeat and dismiss that it's the PERFECT 9/11 truth case to bring before a judge, and will leave the rest of us living with "you had your chance to take it to court and you got humilated" hanging over our heads forever more.
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I've had enough as well.
Man, I thought you were joking with the "decoy squibs" thing, but I just visited Judy Woods' site and there it was!
Also:
"Figure 2. This is called the "Cheeto" picture because the orange object in the lower left corner looks like a Cheeto."
It's a joke, and not a funny one. What the hell is this cute language all about? Like the Rosalee Grable "Whatsit". Morons!
I hate to say or even think it, cos it sounds so paranoid, but this DEW/no planes stuff just has to be intentional disinformation at the higest level. It has been SO divisive, distracting and discrediting, it's just a beautiful trojan horse campaign. I reckon the dupes that follow it are basically conspiracy hobbyists rather than peace activists, who are bored with years of "the norm" (being the ACTUAL evidence of controlled demolition) and want to pose as trailblazers. |
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| Jack wrote: | | I hate to say or even think it, cos it sounds so paranoid, but this DEW/no planes stuff just has to be intentional disinformation at the higest level. It has been SO divisive, distracting and discrediting, it's just a beautiful trojan horse campaign. I reckon the dupes that follow it are basically conspiracy hobbyists rather than peace activists, who are bored with years of "the norm" (being the ACTUAL evidence of controlled demolition) and want to pose as trailblazers. |
You hit the nail on the head my friend.
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| Stefan wrote: | | I've had enough of the casual attacking of the very best evidence there is for an inside job, such as molten metal, by people supposedly on our side in support of a theory which will never be proved and never bring anything but ridicule on our efforts. |
I can't disagree with a single word of your previous post Stefan.
Well said.
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| Jack wrote: | I've had enough as well.
Man, I thought you were joking with the "decoy squibs" thing, but I just visited Judy Woods' site and there it was!
Also:
"Figure 2. This is called the "Cheeto" picture because the orange object in the lower left corner looks like a Cheeto."
It's a joke, and not a funny one. What the hell is this cute language all about? Like the Rosalee Grable "Whatsit". Morons!
I hate to say or even think it, cos it sounds so paranoid, but this DEW/no planes stuff just has to be intentional disinformation at the higest level. It has been SO divisive, distracting and discrediting, it's just a beautiful trojan horse campaign. I reckon the dupes that follow it are basically conspiracy hobbyists rather than peace activists, who are bored with years of "the norm" (being the ACTUAL evidence of controlled demolition) and want to pose as trailblazers. |
Exactly so and spot on, Jack. That would be the view of many within the campaign I feel. (With 'campaign' being defined as reaching out and appealing to reasonably-minded ordinary people. Rather than, say, just common or garden paranoid schizophrenics with their cosy and comforting theories on how everything is (safely) under someone else's control. Score 100 extra points if that's under control by joos ... whoops.... I mean 'zionists'). However loosely that campaign might be defined to those of us out in the sticks (or the provincials, as it were).
Although I do happen to have a hobby conspiracy theory of my own - that Judy Wood is still in a coma somewhere and somebody has identity thefted her. And making it pretty damn obvious they know nowt about science 
But this certainly isn't the place.... 
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OK I admit it.
I am and have been working for the perps since day one.
Although not an overt proponent of theories that counter the prevailing Chekismo dogma, I have tried, subtly, to subvert any notion that planes and anti DEW, or pro JOO advocates advance.
We are now seeing the Dean Friedman like pronouncements from Stefan and Jack as a result.
Chek?
Hilarious.
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Huh? ME?? OK then lemme see.... OK, got it.
Ahem...
"Yet again you show what an irrelevance you are; in this thread, if not in life generally".
Will that do?
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No no Chek. That won't do.
We both like an argument don't we.
You are the greatest, most fantastical proponent of your mind's own imaginings, with it's predictable projections cutting deep into the official dogma of all that was and maybe wasn't, 9/11.
So when does my subversive, camp based, dogma, let you off the hook to say, in Friedmanesque terms, I've had enough?
Shurely shometime shoon ?
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | No no Chek. That won't do.
We both like an argument don't we.
You are the greatest, most fantastical proponent of your mind's own imaginings, with it's predictable projections cutting deep into the official dogma of all that was and maybe wasn't, 9/11.
So when does my subversive, camp based, dogma, let you off the hook to say, in Friedmanesque terms, I've had enough?
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"Friedmanesque?"
I don't even like country music particularly.
Although, thinking about it, there are exceptions.
Howver, unless your next post contains something relevant to the topic of molten metal, then consider yourself the victim of an 'ignore' button, if we had one.
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Ah well.
You could have done that several posts ago.
But you didn't Chek.
I'm guessing it's your left brain you have issues with.
So.
Are you too, going to throw in the towel?
I mean Stefan and Jack have both had enough.
So when does my, camp based dogma take effect Chekismo ?
Or should we all just succeed to yours?
| Stefan wrote: | | But for three planes to hit their target and for there to be no interception at all of any one of them was an unlikely outcome they would not have imagined in their wildest dreams. Their planning of targets to strike was frankly odd; only a moron or a hopeless optimist would conceive of a plan which involved having planes collectively fly for an hour and forty five minutes off course through US air space and hit the Pentagon, or the WTC towers. Having targets at all made it a plan which was reliant on the complete failure of US air defence, and not their own success. Why plan on such an off chance, did they somehow know how lucky they were going to be, or was it an “in-joke” between them – a “best case scenario” they never realistically considered would happen but amused them to speak of? |
Stefan's blog
Mid brain cleft?
Medulla Oblongata needs to be heard?
By the herd?
Chekismo?
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| Mark Gobell wrote: | Mid brain cleft?
Medulla Oblongata needs to be heard?
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In English?
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| Stefan wrote: | | In English? |
I believe we're being informed that our poor deficient brains are insufficiently balanced, and thus entirely unable to even slightly appreciate the splendiferous nature of reality that he, Mark Gobell - and no doubt 'no planes' Al as well - are capable of conceiving. Far beyond our ken, so don't bother ask. Untermenschen, watch out.
Mark bases this prognosis solely on the evidence provided by text based communication, so get yer head around that one matey!
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Can someone help me out here? I lost the thread (sorry about the pun) when alwun said | Quote: | | sniper talks a load of bollocking .... |
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