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A Sharp Major
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 Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: We Are Change - Tough Guys, Brainy Guys |
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It has had only a brief mention on this site, one of We Are Change's chaps was arrested for allegedly assaulting a girl who has Cerebal Palsy.
Note I use the qualifier 'allegedly' unlike We Are Change UK who refer to Sir Richard Dearlove as a 'war criminal'. No 'allegedly', no arrest warrant, no charges, no court case, no guilty verdict but WAC don't understand the process.
Step forward German 'Gary' Talis here seen being owned by a USSS agent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvPtUt0Mj-4&eurl=http://www.libertyforu m.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=consp_911&Number=296195057&view=collapse d&sb=5&o=2
Funny that the WAC filming misses Gary's alleged assault.
Gary and WAC know their rights, but don't seem to know let alone care about the rights of anyone else.
Here are WAC homeboys harrassing Sir Richard Dearlove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZKswvFedoM
Harrassing and assaulting old men and the disabled. Go truthers!
And here is Celebrity Truther Gary Talis telling viewers about global warming. Further evidence as if it's needed that truthers and science don't mix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ4I7jdDy6k
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Micpsi
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| The intellectually comatose now reduced to swatting the flies. |
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A Sharp Major
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The intellectually comatose now reduced to swatting the flies. |
No, old men and cripples. Pay attention.
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ian neal
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Old war criminals like Sir Richard Dearlove with the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis on his hands warrant some gentle 'harassment'. Or do you think war criminals should be allowed to continue to peddle their lies unchallenged?
Who is more guilty of war crimes? The squaddies who follow the criminal orders of their leaders or the politicians, lawyers and spin meisters who put them there on a false prospectus. |
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Alex_V
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ian neal wrote: | Old war criminals like Sir Richard Dearlove with the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis on his hands warrant some gentle 'harassment'. Or do you think war criminals should be allowed to continue to peddle their lies unchallenged?
Who is more guilty of war crimes? The squaddies who follow the criminal orders of their leaders or the politicians, lawyers and spin meisters who put them there on a false prospectus. |
I agree with Ian here, largely. That's why it's such a huge shame that these protesters waste so much time on a ludicrous delusion about 9/11 rather than concentrate on the many issues on which there is general agreement among many on the left. |
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Stefan
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| Alex_V wrote: | | ian neal wrote: | Old war criminals like Sir Richard Dearlove with the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis on his hands warrant some gentle 'harassment'. Or do you think war criminals should be allowed to continue to peddle their lies unchallenged?
Who is more guilty of war crimes? The squaddies who follow the criminal orders of their leaders or the politicians, lawyers and spin meisters who put them there on a false prospectus. |
I agree with Ian here, largely. That's why it's such a huge shame that these protesters waste so much time on a ludicrous delusion about 9/11 rather than concentrate on the many issues on which there is general agreement among many on the left. |
Alex,
Would it be a waste of time to campaign for 9/11 Truth if it was true that the official story was false?
Think about that one for a sec.
Bear in mind that as far as we are concerned that is a fact - you think it's a waste of time because you don't - but I am sure you'd agree that if it was true, contrary to being a waste of time it would be a major priority, since it would be a unifying topic which would outrage left, right and apolitical, and it is the keystone of the war on terror, and war on freedom.
I have written about this, perhaps in a little too flowery manner for my liking, about this in my blog (see below).
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Alex_V
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| Stefan wrote: | Alex,
Would it be a waste of time to campaign for 9/11 Truth if it was true that the official story was false?
Think about that one for a sec.
Bear in mind that as far as we are concerned that is a fact - you think it's a waste of time because you don't - but I am sure you'd agree that if it was true, contrary to being a waste of time it would be a major priority, since it would be a unifying topic which would outrage left, right and apolitical, and it is the keystone of the war on terror, and war on freedom.
I have written about this, perhaps in a little too flowery manner for my liking, about this in my blog (see below). |
I do read your blog, Stefan.
If the official story WAS false I still think it is a waste of time pursuing it at this stage, because the movement has been unable to prove it to a sufficient degree to persuage the mainstream.
It's more a question of tactics - I think many many more people would support a campaign of criticism of the invasion of Iraq. Given that 9/11 truth, as far as I can see, seems to be on the wane as a movement, why not stick to what you can actually prove?
Your aim in uniting the disaffected relies on hammering away at a case that, after 6 years, you have been unable to prove. At what point do you put aside your pet theories and tackle issues that would have a real resonance in the mainstream? |
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Stefan
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Alex_V wrote: | | Stefan wrote: | Alex,
Would it be a waste of time to campaign for 9/11 Truth if it was true that the official story was false?
Think about that one for a sec.
Bear in mind that as far as we are concerned that is a fact - you think it's a waste of time because you don't - but I am sure you'd agree that if it was true, contrary to being a waste of time it would be a major priority, since it would be a unifying topic which would outrage left, right and apolitical, and it is the keystone of the war on terror, and war on freedom.
I have written about this, perhaps in a little too flowery manner for my liking, about this in my blog (see below). |
I do read your blog, Stefan.
If the official story WAS false I still think it is a waste of time pursuing it at this stage, because the movement has been unable to prove it to a sufficient degree to persuage the mainstream.
It's more a question of tactics - I think many many more people would support a campaign of criticism of the invasion of Iraq. Given that 9/11 truth, as far as I can see, seems to be on the wane as a movement, why not stick to what you can actually prove?
Your aim in uniting the disaffected relies on hammering away at a case that, after 6 years, you have been unable to prove. At what point do you put aside your pet theories and tackle issues that would have a real resonance in the mainstream? |
This is a myth circulated by critics of the movement Alex - beleive me I've campaigned on the streets for a couple of years on this issue now - when I first started doing it it was very common to be dismissed and insulted for holding the stance, and hardly anyone knew any of the arguments, now it is widespread and a general acceptance is growing.
I'm not just saying this for the sake of argument, I know it is true - 9/11 Truth is growing exponentially and new campaigns are starting up in countries all over the world.
A Sharp Major is here to try and discourage people - he does it very transparently, picking major successes one by one and making lazy arguments as to why they are actually failures. He should consider a change of tack because it is only inspiring people to keep going - to get this much backlash we must be doing something right.
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Alex_V
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Stefan wrote: | This is a myth circulated by critics of the movement Alex - beleive me I've campaigned on the streets for a couple of years on this issue now - when I first started doing it it was very common to be dismissed and insulted for holding the stance, and hardly anyone knew any of the arguments, now it is widespread and a general acceptance is growing.
I'm not just saying this for the sake of argument, I know it is true - 9/11 Truth is growing exponentially and new campaigns are starting up in countries all over the world.
A Sharp Major is here to try and discourage people - he does it very transparently, picking major successes one by one and making lazy arguments as to why they are actually failures. He should consider a change of tack because it is only inspiring people to keep going - to get this much backlash we must be doing something right. |
To anybody outside the truth movement, the reasons for Sharp Major's criticisms are immediately obvious. Of course we want to discourage people - we think it is a ludicrous campaign based on utterly flimsy/false evidence.
I think you are wrong about the spread of the movement. I think more people know it exists, as you say, but my feeling is that support is wavering. Or perhaps it's fairer to say that the truth movement is growing weary of the fight. Time will tell I suppose. |
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KP50
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| Alex_V wrote: | | Your aim in uniting the disaffected relies on hammering away at a case that, after 6 years, you have been unable to prove. At what point do you put aside your pet theories and tackle issues that would have a real resonance in the mainstream? |
Because, Alex, 9/11 is the key to the whole mystery and only embarking on campaigns that resonate in the mainstream would be a waste of the short amount of time we have left to make a difference.
Question for you: Why did the US invade Iraq? Do you think they invaded because they would get an easy win and be out of there within 2 years?
Another question for you: Who killed JFK? |
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pepik
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If the official story WAS false I still think it is a waste of time pursuing it at this stage, because the movement has been unable to prove it to a sufficient degree to persuage the mainstream. |
Now that's ridiculous. Of course it would be worth pursuing if it were true.
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A Sharp Major
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | A Sharp Major is here to try and discourage people - he does it very transparently, picking major successes one by one and making lazy arguments as to why they are actually failures. He should consider a change of tack because it is only inspiring people to keep going - to get this much backlash we must be doing something right. |
What evidence do you have for my gender Stefan? Oh sorry, truthers don't need evidence when opinions will do.
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Stefan
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| A Sharp Major wrote: | | Quote: | | A Sharp Major is here to try and discourage people - he does it very transparently, picking major successes one by one and making lazy arguments as to why they are actually failures. He should consider a change of tack because it is only inspiring people to keep going - to get this much backlash we must be doing something right. |
What evidence do you have for my gender Stefan? Oh sorry, truthers don't need evidence when opinions will do. |
If you're a woman then I apologise for using the term 'he' - But what's your point?
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