Financial support for campaign

[xmasdale]

The British 9/11 Truth Campaign is in constant need of finance to pay for:
- visiting speakers' travel
- hire of rooms
- printing of materials
- movie making
- equipment
- administrative costs.

We now have an easy method for folk to contribute a donation through this forum, via Paypal and/or via credit card. We hope that that will mean we are not constantly so short of funds.

Please use the Donate Button on the home page of this forum to support the work or the British 9/11 Truth Campaign, if you think this work deserves support.

[Mick Meaney]

If supporters would like to invite their email networks to contribute, using either of the following URLs will work:

[Disco_Destroyer]

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This is mainly directed at Tony who said re. my message on the Forum about helping the campaign by Standing Order that people wouldn't want to do that unless they could have some idea of how the money will be spent - well Xmasdale has already provided a kind of breakdown of typical costs on this thread and one or two others I've consulted said that campaigning costs are self-evident, you don't need to spell those out!

However perhaps you (Tony) could attach a PS to my message on the Forum: "Regular donors to the campaign will be consulted as to how their contributions are to be spent and will automatically receive a copy of the annual audited accounts."

[TonyGosling]

Well,

Since you want to go public on what I think might be better as a private campaign discussion (when's the next meeting sec.?) you've missed my point, so here goes.

What I meant and thought I said was 'people want to know what they will get for their money' which is quite a lot different to 'people want to know how their money will be spent'.

Please see
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=104357#104357
What I suggested was either people should get a snailmail newsletter or else invites to special events such as when we have authors over to speak. People won't want to donate just to get a copy of the accounts.

[TonyGosling]

By the way there seems to be a problem with the donate button. When I click DONATE PayPal no longer remembers which account (ours) users are donating to. All it allows me to do is log in.

When the button first appeared 2 wks or so ago it worked fine and when you logged into paypal you got straight to a screen enabling you to donate directly to our bank account.

I guess we're dicing with the devil using PayPal but what choice is there?

I just got a PM to the same effect which is why I checked it out.


SUGGESTED SOLUTION

We need instructions next to the button....

[Mick Meaney]

Sorted now.

[Pikey]

TG stated:-

[Mick Meaney]

[Pikey]

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[Sixy]

Steve, you have some nerve.

I do not often post on here, but this time I feel that I must.

Surely, as far as accountability goes, Noel has already outlined where money would go and I am pretty sure (although I can not speak for Belinda) that she would outline where many has gone through donations as her role of Treasurer. This is a campaign we are talking about, it is not a business. Just the same as people donate money to other campaigns to support them in their activities, this is what we are aiming to do also. Financial reports are given at the AGM, as you know.

However, I am particularly sickened at the mention of RINF giving a donation to the campaign. Do you realise how much money Mick and myself have put into events which are for the campaign or movement? Where do you think this money is coming from?! With the amount of time, money and effort that both Mick and myself (as well as countless others) have put in, I do find this insulting.

Mick and myself have organised and run several events in Lancaster. We have made losses at most events which has made an impact on our personal lives. We are not bothered about this, it is our choice. We want to get the information out there to people in our community. When was the last time that you made a donation to our events or in Morecambe? When have you helped us to organise or run a local event? What help have you provided on the night of events? When it comes to putting things out or tidying away, we've even had attendees of events help us out to do this. We've had people in their 60s help us.

I am getting bored of hearing all the moaning on this site when you are not pro-active.

I don't see the contribution button as the only means of contributing effectively to the campaign. There are many people in the campaign and movement who spend a great deal of time (and their own money) in organising events (both local and national); producing DVDs, leaflets, flyers; visiting MPs; running their own websites/forums; talking to the media; fundraising; travelling throughout the country to strengthen the network; taking part in protests; making documentaries; undertaking research; providing accommodation in their own homes for supporters and speakers; providing assistance with transport.

The people who do this, do this without public recognition for the most part. They do this to support both campaign and movement. They give up their personal time, sometimes in detriment to their family life. They don't ask for praise. They don't make demands. They don't give ultimatums. They just DO it. They support.

The other interesting thing is that many of those people who do this are not actively involved in this forum.

I understand that not everyone can do everything on the list of things that people do. We all have our own commitments, our own skills and our own choices. This is where I see the financial part comes in. Those who, for whatever reason, 'can't' proactively do something, at least can help support those of us who do.

Rather than picking holes in things, why not do something about it. As I'm sure I've said directly to you before, it is far easier (IMO) to sit behind a computer screen and point fingers than to actually be out there and doing something.

I've heard you say so many times about doing and being pro-active. After, as you say, joining the campaign since Feb 2005, maybe it's time to DO something yourself?

[TonyGosling]

I hope that's an end to this blame-mongering and that we can take the most cogent points from all. This stuff should be discussed on e-mail gentlemen not here.

We do have a serious problem with the financial side of things IMO in that people will donate if they can see that our organisation has its act together enough to do these three things.

1. Have a cogent plan of achievable goals for the year.
2. Have at least a quarterly printed and posted out newsletter which includes invites to campaign events and socials.
3. Have a credible media operation (several steps up from this press conference).

When the above are up and running we are showing to potential donatees that we are a serious organisation and they will put their hands in their pockets.

We passed a resolution at the 2007 AGM in May to appoint a press officer but that hasn't happened.
Probably because there's no money, it's a skilled and very wearing job so has to be paid, unless there are any volunteers out there.

[Mick Meaney]

[TonyGosling]

Yup,

See what you're saying but it's not money that's delayed or prevented a printed newsletter being deveoloped it's lack of organisation.

[Mick Meaney]

[Pikey]

With some freedom from the matrix I have some time to respond to the rant and untrue allegations made against me by Sixy, who for those who are not aware is Mick Meaneys female partner and a primary school teacher.

Unlike some folk I will not refer to your name Sixy since I respect your desire to use a pseudonym on a public forum.

I am prompted also by this recent thread in which Mick sticks the knife in Justin and the Cumbria 911 Truth group (which I joined and have supported since Feb 2005):-

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=119405&highlight=#11 9405

This is supposed to be a truth site and this is my sincere and honest response:-

[Mick Meaney]

Now I could shred that apart Steve but I won't waste my time, it's just turning into a bit of a joke really.

Still though, looking forward to you getting a Lancaster based event going.. it's only been 7 months since me and Lou did the last one, nothing holding you back mate Good luck

[Sixy]

Dearie me!

I'm not going to reply to the inaccurate comments made by Pikey as I really don't see the point (which is evident on other threads).

I don't see what the relevance of stating my occupation is. It's known on here anyway. Do we need to be labelled according to occupation? Does it matter? Should I get my red pen out?! (Actually, I rarely use a red pen!)

I just feel that it's a shame that several members of a group I was involved with (whether they realised it or not!) feel that it's ok to scandalise situations and make incorrect claims about myself.

I wish everyone all the best with their endeavours, but lets keep it out of the mud now.

Louise.

[Pikey]

[Sixy]

Pikey,

Maybe you didn't read the part when I said that I wouldn't break down your post as it isn't worth it. This is not a slanging match or an opportunity to try to drag people through the mud. It's just a shame that people use this forum not only to debate but to personally attack.

I don't feel that these back and forward posts are achieving anything for anyone. At the end of the day, it is pretty obvious to me that anyone (past, present or future) who makes any kind of attempt to disagree with any issue or person within the truth movement or campaign is called names (e.g. "shill", "troll") or is faced with some sort of smear campaign against them.

I am not interested in these petty 'fights'. Hence, why I will not respond in such manner. However, if you really want me to point out your inaccuracies and where people have made incorrect claims about myself, pm me, as I now don't see the relevance to other people in reference to the title of this thread. Then, you have my full permission to post my reply into the public domain.

As far as I'm concerned, people using this forum should have wider issues to debate than this. Let's think....erm....9/11? The Iraq War? Civil liberties? etc, etc.

Louise.

[Mick Meaney]

[Pikey]

[Mick Meaney]

You had the evidence within a day of asking, it's even on the very thread you're linking to above

Re the other stuff you mention; You obviously missed the thread and my emails where I stated that I am no longer willing to support this campaign or movement. I don't know / care what's going on with funds. Try asking one of the few people who are willing to share their contact details with you.

[Pikey]

[Sixy]

[Pikey]

I've pmd Sixy and I am delighted to be able to confirm that she now acknowledges the truth that I did physically help/assit with the organisation and make the first three events in Lancaster possible

I will provide further facts on the WTC thread which I refer to earlier to counter the false allegations of anti semitism, racism, and cultism made by Mick about the 911 Cumbria Truth group in due course and before the domain termination day of Friday the 13th!!

It would be helpful Mick if you could provide the link I requested above (here or by pm) and also the e mail listing of those who attended the Lancaster Truth events so that we can e mail them and notify them of future events in North Lancashire and Cumbria.

Peace & truth

[Sixy]