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acrobat74 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Erm, I don't see anything sinister about Powell's comments.
I think he's referring to unforeseen situations in general.
Something like...
'Right now we can see problems A & B, but when the new president starts there may also be problems C & D that we don't know about now'.
And the date probably refers to when the new president starts on the job? _________________ Summary of 9/11 scepticism: http://tinyurl.com/27ngaw6 and www.911summary.com
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: Crisis February |
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It would be strange if people are telling us now that we are going to face a crisis, like a terror attack or war. This would be telling people that these things are planned and they've seen the plans. (Or is it wrote the plans?)
What may be far more foreseeable is the US economic crisis. What I've heard is that the US is going to be forced to declare itself bankrupt by February 2008. Spending will have to be cut drastically (but not military spending, of course) and the US will have to go to the IMF for help. This will encourage the formation of a global financial regulatory body - controlled by the global oligarchs. |
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The hopes Obama has raised are impossibly high, but the world needs a great U.S. President
Last updated at 1:02 AM on 25th October 2008
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Barack Obama currently enjoys a double-figure poll lead in the race for the White House
Barack Obama currently enjoys a double-figure poll lead in the race for the White House
We were across the street from the sort of place that exists only in America: a pets' daycare centre calling itself Kate's Canine Retreat, 'where they leave dog tired'.
People were streaming in their thousands towards a big grassy hill beside Kansas City's Independence Memorial. They were black and white, families with children, a column of disabled people in wheelchairs, a lot of youngsters.
An eternity ago, back at the last presidential election in 2004, in this city almost at the geographic midpoint of the United States, they thought 20,000 was a big political crowd.
But now they were assembling to see Barack Obama, the face of salvation, the man whom a yearning host of Americans believe can deliver them from evil, lead them to a delicious land of green pastures called 'Change'. There were soon 50,000 of us waiting below the rostrum; then 60,000; then 70,000.
Kansas City is an old plains cow town which is now a successful industrial city, just inside America's Wealth Belt before it peters out in the rural South. It still takes great pride in its pioneer heritage - the Royal American Rodeo is packing in crowds to watch nine-year-old kids in Stetsons and chaps riding bucking sheep and goats.
The city has become an important place in this election, because it straddles the states of Kansas and Missouri. All but once in the past century, the presidential candidate who takes Missouri has taken the White House.
By 6pm, this Obama rally had turned into the biggest political get-together in KC's modern memory. The crowd stood patiently nursing its hopes and excitement on a balmy autumn evening, under a clear blue sky.
'You came all the way from London just for this event?' a security guard asked me wonderingly, for Kansas City does not hear that many British accents.
'Well, not exactly,' I said. 'But on our side of the pond, we are pretty anxious about the next President of the United States, because he is almost as much our chief executive as yours.'
Americans are the most hopeful people on Earth, which is at the heart of their greatness - and also of many of the difficulties into which they plunge themselves.
Out there in the Kansas City crowd, they started to chant 'Yes-we-can, yes-we-can'. A sea of blue placards proclaimed the Obama keywords: 'Ready For Change.'
I wandered among the crowd, asking if they have any idea what their idol will change?
Joe Hale, a railroad manager in his 40s, cheerfully admitted that he had no idea, but is simply thrilled that Obama is not George W. Bush.
Despite a big lead in the polls, doubts persists about whether a black American can achieve the greatest office on Earth
Despite a big lead in the polls, doubts persists about whether a black American can achieve the greatest office on Earth
A 52-year-old hospice carer said: 'This is the first time I've been to a political rally. I've never felt so excited about politics before.'
So far, this region has not felt serious effects from the recession, though car sales are way down and house prices are falling steeply.
A 41-year-old architect, Jim Wright, said it was plain that things would get worse. 'In one street in a small town where I'm doing some work, three families are doubling up - they have moved in with neighbours because their own homes have been repossessed.
'I've no idea what Obama will do, but I'm kind of a liberal. I'm for him. If he can get us even some way to a free health-care system like your NHS it will be a wonderful thing for this country.'
The clock was getting closer to the action. A sonorous voice sang The Star-Spangled Banner. Then it was time to call up God, as everyone does in this region where he still means a lot.
A pastor stepped up to the rostrum and invited the crowd to give thanks 'for the prospect of a new day for America, a new day for the world, for the sheer beauty of believing in a candidate who inspires us'.
He suggested that we should aspire to match the heroism of the World War II generation, so often invoked by modern Americans.
'Let us not ask whether God is on our side, but whether we are on God's side.
'We pray that Senator Barack Obama will be kept safe and, indeed,' - a generous afterthought - 'that Senator John McCain will be kept safe.'
And, of course, it is a small miracle of this campaign that no one in this violent country amid this passionate campaign - the most divisive in a generation - so far has taken a shot at Obama.
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, is backing Democrat Barack Obama for the presidency
Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, is backing Democrat Barack Obama for the presidency
The candidate's warm-up man set about rousing the crowd, crying again and again: 'We have had enough! We have had enough!' Then America's most likely next President was there before us, with his big ears, rolledup sleeves, dazzling teeth. He looks great: cool, poised, assured.
How strange it feels to stand 30 yards from a man who has become the great white hope - no, amazingly, the great black hope - of hundreds of millions of people all over the world.
That morning, he had addressed a crowd of 100,000 in St Louis, Missouri. Now, here he was with us.
'We meet at a moment of great uncertainty for Americans,' he said. 'I believe in this country. This is the United States of America. The American story has never been about success coming easy. It won't be easy. It won't be quick. But there's no reason why we can't make this another American century.'
Someone pointed out to me a guy in a white baseball cap, leaning against a barrier near the stage: 'That's John Hoffman. He's done more than anyone else in Kansas City to win Missouri for Obama.'
Hoffman, a sharp, alert 68-year-old who retired from banking a few years ago, has devoted most of this year to campaigning for Obama. His wife has raised £300,000 for his cause.
'I saw at the beginning that Hillary Clinton was old news and that Obama was the future,' Hoffman told me.
I asked him the same question I'd asked dozens of people: what will Obama do as President?
Hoffman shrugged. 'How much can any President do? He's not superhuman. How much can governments do? But this man could be the most popular President America has ever had.
'They are still talking about tax cuts'
'He is famously good at getting people to work together. That is a big help in a situation like the one we're in with the economy, where you need to get people behind you.' What should he do about Iraq? 'Get out as soon as possible - it is just a civil war there and we're getting in the way.'
On the rostrum, Obama was pushing his line that McCain is the rich people's candidate.
'I want to give the middle class a break. I'm going to slash taxes for working people so you can pay your bills. It's time to turn the page on economic policies that put Wall Street before Main Street.'
A chant breaks out in the crowd: 'Eight is enough, we can't take it any more.'
A local political reporter said to me: 'I find it shocking that, a fortnight from election day, neither candidate dares to tell the American people just how hard things are going to get - that there isn't any money for their programmes. Both are still talking about tax cuts, for God's sake!'
John McCain is in danger of losing states that have traditionally voted Republican
John McCain is in danger of losing states that have traditionally voted Republican
He is right, of course. Yet in presidential election campaigns, truth-telling is rare. Many Americans, including most in Kansas City, have not yet felt the pain that is coming to them, as it is coming to us all.
There are still plenty of people, especially in Missouri and Kansas, who could never bring themselves to vote for a black President or a liberal on abortion.
Mike Huckabee, one of Fox TV's resident Right-wing lunatics and runner-up for this year's Republican nomination, denounces Obama as a would-be redistributor
of wealth. 'That's socialism,' he howls across the airwaves. 'Government is not a charitable organisation. The founding fathers would be aghast at that idea.'
Huckabee, like a lot of people in Kansas and Missouri, still cannot get his mind around the painful fact that, however little you like big government, it is the only force powerful enough to get the world out of the mess into which the bungling bankers have got us.
To me, the most striking difference between Obama and most of the U.S. electorate is not that he is black, but that he is thin.
One third of his audience beside the Independence Memorial was merely overweight, but at least another third was clinically obese. Most will have difficulty waddling to the polling booths.
Never mind the white vote, Obama will win if he can just get out the fat vote. There is so much of it, in this society which has overdone almost everything for so long.
The chanting broke out again: 'Yes-we-can, yes-we-can.' Obama described meeting a man who called himself a die-hard Republican. 'I asked him: "How's business?" He said: "Not so good." So who's been running the economy the past eight years? He said: "Well, the Republicans." '
An impossible burden of expectation
Americans know they are in a hole, or rather several holes. There is the Iraq/Afghanistan one, which nowadays seems less important than it did a year ago.
There is the energy hole and the climate change hole. And above all, deepest by far, there is the economy hole.
That is the one into which George W. Bush and the tatters of his reputation have vanished, and which has frightened tens of millions of Americans so badly. That is the one which has put the Democratic candidate within shouting distance of the U.S. presidency.
Obama looks as if he could take conservative Missouri, because some traditional Republican supporters reckon he is more likely to get them out of the economic mess than John McCain and the most notorious 'hockey mom' in history, Sarah Palin.
American politics breeds startling coalitions, none more so than that which is today rooting for Obama.
There is grassroots black America - inevitably - but also much of middle America, Right-wing East Coast intellectuals and the former Republican Secretary of State, Colin Powell. Mavericks such as Larry Fells, a lawyer and property developer who owns Kansas City's Uptown Theatre, are behind Obama, too.
'I support Obama because he doesn't belong to the political establishment,' says Fells, who has hosted a Democratic fundraiser.
The U.S. manufactures eccentrics like no other nation on Earth. Fells, a prime specimen, is an enthusiast for conspiracy theories. He possesses a vast library of books and posters about the Kennedy assassination, Martin Luther King's killing and plenty else.
He thinks the Twin Towers were destroyed on 9/11 to profit the Rockefellers, and that George W. Bush engineered the sub-prime financial crisis.
'These are not conspiracy theories; they're the untold truth,' he argues gravely.
If Hillary Clinton had been chosen as Obama's vice-presidential running-mate and they ended up winning the election, Fells reckons Obama would have been shot soon after getting to the White House, so she could get his job. As it is, 'They' - which means all sorts of sinister interests, including the CIA - 'will be happy just to control Obama as President'.
But Fells is going to vote for him anyway, and so are a great many other Americans.
Of course, despite Obama's double-figure poll lead, the campaign is not over yet. That gnawing doubt persists about whether a black American can achieve the greatest office on Earth.
Any sensible person must fear for Obama if he wins. He will carry with him into the White House an impossible burden of expectation, which no mere mortal can fulfil.
But he represents a dream, however ill-defined, and a vast number of Americans love dreams.
All of us, not merely the people of the U.S., should start hoping that this cool, remarkable, clever, but curiously remote man possesses some notion about how to translate his vision into a tolerable sort of reality.
Seldom has the world been more in need not merely of a good U.S. President, but a great one. |
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Is Obama in Hawaii and if so who is he meeting there?
His grandmother?
During the middle of the last great crash in the USA a coup was being organised according to the revelations of General Smedley Butler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
Has Obama been warned of an attack against him and left the USA? |
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Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/10/aq-wants-to-outdo-911-in-new-att ack-on-us/
Quote: | AQ wants to outdo 9/11 in new attack on US
posted at 8:25 am on November 10, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
An Arab newspaper in London has reported that al-Qaeda intends on launching an attack on the US that would “outdo by far” the 9/11 attacks. Al-Quds al-Arabi also reported that their Yemeni contact within AQ, a “former senior operative”, says the terrorist network has already begun consolidating its networks in preparation for the attack |
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They'er off to Homebase to buy 10 stanley knives (no Box Cutters in Blighty mate ) _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: Brzezinski: Obama may be tested |
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Brzezinski: Obama may be tested
Zbigniew Brzezinski talks about a possible attack during the Obama administration. A former US national security adviser says President-elect Barack Obama may be tested by terrorists after he takes office on Jan. 20.
"It's possible. There's no way of predicting that. It's a possibility, but it's by no means a certainty," former Carter administration national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski said in an interview with Deutsche Welle.
Brzezinski said that history shows that every new US president is tested by transitional challenges and circumstances.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=74757§ionid=3510203
http://www.911blogger.com/node/18465
Full interview:
US Headed For Change, Says Former National Security Advisor
http://www.dw-world.de/popups/popup_printcontent/0,,3771913,00.html
Write up in Iran's press.tv.ir:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=74757§ionid=3510203
Brzezinski: Obama may be tested
Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:46:12 GMT
"I think that Obama has shown that he is very calm, very rational and very deliberate in his approach to issues and I think if he is tested he will respond cogently and rationally and effectively," said Brzezinski.
The last two US presidents have been tested early in office - the two attacks on the World Trade Center occurred in the first year of Democrat Bill Clinton's and Republican George W. Bush's presidencies.
Brzezinski added that changing the substance of US policies is not as easy as it sounds and Obama may be incapable of bringing a 'dramatic change' to Washington.
"You have to think of foreign policy as, for example, a boat moving on the sea. A huge ocean liner doesn't change its course in the way that a fast motor boat does. Therefore it is not possible for the United States dramatically to change every one of its policies. But I think there will be a significant shift in substance and in tone," Brzezinski concluded.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: |
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So far we've had Joe Biden, Madeleine Allbright, Colin Powell and most recently the renowned Zbigniew Brzezinksi all warning that something might/will happen... |
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just amazing the lack of tact they're showing on this,.. especially biden
they're happily reporting on their 'intelligence' that there's going to be an attack and biden is discussing what they're going to do after.. as if he's completely certain that they're not going to be able to stop it.
i've not heard anyone even suggest that trying to prevent this potential terror attack /crisis is any kind of option at all.
its ridiculous! 'hello everyone.. yes we're going to be attacked again soon.. yes yes no point trying to stop them, theyre far to determined .. ... what's that? try and stop the attack before it happens?? now how would we ever go about doing something like that?!'
and what did biden say in that private chat? 'a generated crisis'?
surely thats going to be hard for the msm to ignore
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Worth noting that Joe Biden met with Omar Sayeed Sheik who wired cash to Mohammed Atta: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=87dEAwo4vkk
Is his explanation of that credible? If you're inclined to think that everything which happens is part of a grand conspiracy, you will probably think not. If you're of a less suspicious frame of mind you may give him the benefit of the doubt.
But it's worth noting that there are plenty of historical precedents of people meeting with their enemies prior to conflict, Hitler and Chamberlin for instance. The more conspiratorial will argue that they were actually both marionettes, with unseen evil forces pulling the strings, having given them instructions to agree in a cosy chat when would be the best time to start World War 2. I don't believe that, but then to many I am naive
If Biden has foreknowledge of something, does that necessarily mean he is part of a grand conspiracy? Some have tipped him as the organiser of Obama's forthcoming assassination.
But Biden, Powell and Brezinski do all talk as though they have foreknowledge of something big happening.
Something big is already happening: global economic collapse, Israel's massacre in Gaza. More looks likely to happen with Israeli troops massing on the Lebanese border, and the Lebanese prime minister accusing Israel of a false flag operation of planting rockets on Lebanese territory. Is Israel planning to take revenge on Lebanon for their defeat in 2006?
If you're less conspiratorial you can explain these warnings as observations of the normal trend that all new US presidents get tested soon after first taking office, perhaps intentionally, by those unseen forces. If you're more conspiratorial you may be convinced that some huge false flag operation will take place on US soil, perhaps involving nukes.
If you're mega-conspiratorial you may reckon that the dark forces will use nukes to trigger an eruption of the super volcano which is Yellowstone National Park, triggering a global nuclear winter and massive population reduction.
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Kenya's ambassador admitted that Obama was born in Kenya. Therefore, I think that Obama will be impeached for lying on his birth certificate or just thrown out as he simply wasn't born in the US. Biden will be president.
I also believe that the Prime Minister of Canada closed parliament because he knew that his government was falling. There was talk of a Liberal/NDP coalition here that would topple his government. Harper the PM, went over the people's heads and asked Queen Elizabeth for permission for him to close parliament. And so she gave him permission. This all happened before a judge in Vancouver ruled that Teske must be deported from Canada on January 19th ...the day before Obama's inauguration and a week before the Canadian Parliament reopens.
They are counting on hillbillies in the US and Canada to crucify Teske as a traitor to America, thereby propagading the idea to average american Joe hillbilly that there are unpatriotic 'enemies among us'. And so if you try to turn your back on fighting for your country, then you are a traitor. Does this mean something will happen in the US, a military invasion by someone where more men and women would be drafted? Or perhaps Martial law, and anyone trying to leave will be arrested. Who knows.
To Canadians, I suggest to vote for the Coalition when parliament opens. However, Harper has had time to stack the cabinet with Ultra-conservatives... some even famous former news anchors. |
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John Bolton at CPAC: The Benefits of Nuking Chicago By Jonathan Stein 26 Feb 2009 Former UN Ambassador John Bolton believes the security of the United States is at dire risk under the Obama administration. And before a gathering of conservatives in Washington on Thursday morning [Conservative Political Action Conference - CPAC], he suggested, as something of a joke, that President Barack Obama might learn a needed lesson if Chicago were destroyed by a nuclear bomb.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/02/john-bolton-cpac-benefits-nuki ng-chicago
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