Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 274 Location: North West London
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Explosives in Tube Train, filmed June 2005
Explosives in Tube Train, filmed June ‘05
March-June 2005 the film V for Vendetta was filmed in London, made by Warner Brothers. The authorities closed down Whitehall for three nights to shoot it, and various government agencies, the MoD, police and Transport for London had to give permission.
Wikipedia: ‘The scenes that took place in the abandoned London Underground were filmed at the disused Aldwych tube station. Filming began in early March 2005 and principal photography officially wrapped in early June 2005. V for Vendetta is the final film shot by cinematographer Adrian Biddle, who died of a heart attack on December 7, 2005.
‘Prime Minister (at the time of filming) Tony Blair's son Euan Blair worked on the film's production and is said (according to an interview with Stephen Fry) to have helped the filmmakers obtain the unparalleled filming access. This drew criticism of Blair from MP David Davis due to the content of the film. However, the makers of the film denied Euan Blair's involvement in the deal, stating that access was acquired through nine months of negotiations with 14 different government departments and agencies.’
It was scheduled for release November 5th 2005 (400 year anniversary of the Gunpowder Plot) but – some surmise – the shock of 7/7 happening delayed its release until March 2006, when it opened ‘in 3,365 theatres in the United States, the United Kingdom and six other countries.’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film)
So before July 7, there were these three preceding events:
* BBC Panorama mock-rehearsal 16 May 2004 ‘London Under Attack’, a story of 4 suicide bombs going off on 3 tubelines plus one surface vehicle.
* April 4-8 2005, Operation Atlantic Blue has US/UK collaboration on terror-drill involving bombs left on the London Underground stations and on London buses, coinciding with a major international summit conference – all details secret.
* March-June 2005 V for Vendetta filmed by Warner Bros, with a tube coach exploding.
maybe relevant:
3 yearly London Underground terror drills
* Bank station, Sunday September 7, 2003 ‘Osiris II’
* Lambeth, Sunday, 17 September, 2004
* Tower Hill, Sunday, 12th June, 2005
NB, the last of these three appears as having been moved forward a few months, from September to June. There were only these three, no others before or since.
Also, note: 3 fake terror events, days before:
5 July 2005 Sheffied, ‘controlled explosions’ and inner-city evacuation, fake terror alert.
5 July Nottingham, city centre evacuated, a controlled explosion’ by a suspect package, nothing found – ie another fake terror event.
5 July village of Achterarder a mile from Gleneagles in Scotland (G8 summit) a bomb scare, high street cordoned off, nothing found – this focussed the fear , sending a message to world-leaders.
They always say art imitates life... but in this case its probably a case of manufacturing a story to justify a pre-arranged script known as the 'war on terror'...
Hardly out of character though is it? Muslims, bombs and death seem to go hand in hand these days. So many stories, so little time, bombs in Israel, Iraq, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Africa, the Philippines. Unless you want to try and refute each and every one them you have to admit that that story isn't totally fiction, it may be exaggerated but it isn't fiction. People have the view that some Muslim commit suicide bombings because some do.
You cannot blame anyone for either believing or repeating that story. It's an easy one because it is at least in part true. The last 60 years of middle east violence are not all fiction.
It's not a script, it's an embellishment of history.
Hardly out of character though is it? Muslims, bombs and death seem to go hand in hand these days. So many stories, so little time, bombs in Israel, Iraq, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Africa, the Philippines. Unless you want to try and refute each and every one them you have to admit that that story isn't totally fiction, it may be exaggerated but it isn't fiction. People have the view that some Muslim commit suicide bombings because some do.
You cannot blame anyone for either believing or repeating that story. It's an easy one because it is at least in part true. The last 60 years of middle east violence are not all fiction.
It's not a script, it's an embellishment of history.
One could argue western imperialism from the algerian war, to Kenya to Suez and now to Iraq in the last 50 years has a story with a western man in a suit in it.
But then again that would be telling wouldn't it.
Its easier to stick to stories about muslims and 'suicide' bombings.
Hollywood has a whole film genre of it. Why bother stating anything else?
"But then again that would be telling wouldn't it." Who is denying Kenya or the Suez crisis?
"Its easier to stick to stories about muslims and 'suicide' bombings."
Like my old man used to say stick to the truth and what you know. The fact that an element within Islamic society has and continues to carry out suicide bombings is not really debatable is it? Like a portion of the Irish population used to have fun with knee-cappings and ANFO.
The history of Western influence both good and bad upon the world is well documented and easily accessible. It's not worth suggesting otherwise.
"But then again that would be telling wouldn't it." Who is denying Kenya or the Suez crisis?
"Its easier to stick to stories about muslims and 'suicide' bombings."
Like my old man used to say stick to the truth and what you know. The fact that an element within Islamic society has and continues to carry out suicide bombings is not really debatable is it? Like a portion of the Irish population used to have fun with knee-cappings and ANFO.
The history of Western influence both good and bad upon the world is well documented and easily accessible. It's not worth suggesting otherwise.
You have to stick to what your old man says to you.
It makes life simple.
I haven't come across any islamic being involved in either 9/11 or 7/7.
Governments allege they are 'suicide missions'.
As for the irish war of liberation a lot of the bombings in London had high-level state involvement.
Now if the past is like the present is a case of both good and bad and the history of western imperialism is clearly documented its funny that books like this come out stating the exact opposite of what you state...
Web of Deceit... but I assume you know that already
"I haven't come across any islamic being involved in either 9/11 or 7/7.
Governments allege they are 'suicide missions'."
I wasn't talking about 9-11 or 7-7. They are separate matters. i was talking about attacks that predate that and even continue.
"As for the irish war of liberation a lot of the bombings in London had high-level state involvement."
Oh undoubtedly but lets not remove blame from other guilty parties.
Why should this movement be hijacked to totally remove blame from all parties that are guilty of other crimes?
9-11 or 7-7 may not have involved Muslims, but that doesn't give them carte blanche.
"Now if the past is like the present is a case of both good and bad and the history of western imperialism is clearly documented its funny that books like this come out stating the exact opposite of what you state... "
There are of course differing political and historical opinions. Morality is not absolute and so people will write books on what they see as right or wrong. But the crimes of the past are always noted.
"I haven't come across any islamic being involved in either 9/11 or 7/7.
Governments allege they are 'suicide missions'."
I wasn't talking about 9-11 or 7-7. They are separate matters. i was talking about attacks that predate that and even continue.
"As for the irish war of liberation a lot of the bombings in London had high-level state involvement."
Oh undoubtedly but lets not remove blame from other guilty parties.
Why should this movement be hijacked to totally remove blame from all parties that are guilty of other crimes?
9-11 or 7-7 may not have involved Muslims, but that doesn't give them carte blanche.
"Now if the past is like the present is a case of both good and bad and the history of western imperialism is clearly documented its funny that books like this come out stating the exact opposite of what you state... "
There are of course differing political and historical opinions. Morality is not absolute and so people will write books on what they see as right or wrong. But the crimes of the past are always noted.
You seem to be hung up on hijackings and suicide missions in most posts.
First you allude muslim/islamic involvement then you dont.
As you have stated before you argue both sides of an argument.
That is essentially your purpose. There is no other point in your postings.
One cannot argue that AlCIada did 9/11 and did not.
Either they did or they didn't.
If you believe they did argue your case.
I believe they dont exist and never have.
I aint a post-modernist or a nihilist. I do believe there is a morality and that humans struggle in their own way and their own time to try and make the world a better place. You dont.
"You seem to be hung up on hijackings and suicide missions in most posts.
First you allude muslim/islamic involvement then you dont"
That's because I don't treat all things equally. It is without doubt that Islamic attacks have occurred even if 9-11 wasn't one of them.
"One cannot argue that AlCIada did 9/11 and did not."
Actually I never argued that they did. I can't see where you got that idea from.
"I do believe there is a morality and that humans struggle in their own way and their own time to try and make the world a better place. You dont."
Of course there is morality, everyone has their own morals, and they are exactly that, their own. Ted Bundy thought it was okay and moral to kill woman, I on the other hand disagree with him. He still had morals, we all have morals, they are just different.
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 2017 Location: Croydon, Surrey
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject:
Desmond wrote:
Of course there is morality, everyone has their own morals, and they are exactly that, their own. Ted Bundy thought it was okay and moral to kill woman, I on the other hand disagree with him. He still had morals, we all have morals, they are just different.
What kind of dissembling is this?
Ted Bundy knew he was doing wrong. He did not think it was OK and moral to kill women.
The few people who seem to lack a sense of morality we call amoral.
We do not call wicked people moral, we call them immoral.
No Ted Bundy knew what he was doing was illegal. Why would you go against your own morals? Normally because you reason with yourself and find a reason why it's okay, thus keeping your own version morality. Take stealing for example, most people would say it's wrong, so why do some people do it, because they have reasoned to themselves a reason why it is okay for them to do it.
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 2017 Location: Croydon, Surrey
Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject:
Desmond wrote:
Your post at 2:19 was the first not to include any reference to 7/7.
Seeing as how this post shows 3:19 on my computer (that's 3:19 BST...British Summertime), is it reasonable of me to conclude that you are posting from the USA (Virginia or california perhaps [just guessing]) where your computer is presenting British times in GMT (i.e. 2:19 on Greenwich Mean Time).
Someone in the US of A cares what we little brits think about 9/11.
.....aah, quite touching.
Thanks Desmond. Pass on our love to all your pals.
Here's an article you and your friends should read:
"Look in the mirror at what we have become"
Abu Ghraib – A Gift From the “Sons of The Devil”
July 15, 2008 – 3:00 pm
As a former Special Operations commander from the sixties and having been substantially involved with the training of US Army combat troops during the Vietnam and Berlin Crisis era – I have a good feel for the nature of the American serviceman, - or at least I THOUGHT that I did. Apparently there has been a substantial change in the moral complexion of young men in this once great country.
There is now a disease – a malady so pervasively evil – among our youth, that it can only be described as demonic. This shameful phenomenon did NOT happen over night but was the result of decades of moral rot in our schools homes and everyday lives. I was once proud to be called an American and would have laid down my life to preserve those freedoms and ideals which were the wellspring of American tradition in the very best spirit of the memories of our Founding Fathers and their Christian based foundations for this brave new world in which I was raised.
All that has changed and we are now nothing more than a zoo of wild soulless mindless compassionless materialistic ignorant animals. We have evolved into a race of sadistic monsters capable of any crime.– Godless to THE EXTREME!
I remember the occurrence of mindless brutality in Mei Lai Vietnam – and how America recoiled in horror at the savagery unleashed by Lt. Calley against helpless civilians. Even though we were in a war situation with a REAL ENEMY – as ANY COMMUNIST ANYWHERE is – we as American people still had the humanity and wisdom to separate deceptive political lexicon such as ‘casualties of war’ and ‘collateral damage’ from genuine war crimes.
NONE of the Arab world have ever been our enemies
We are WRONG! WE have done MONSTROUS EVIL to innocent people and one way or another WE WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR WHAT WE HAVE DONE.
Any goodness that we had has been lost to the shrill madness that has exemplified the endless war crimes committed AND UNHEEDED by our now criminal government. What follows is but the tip of the iceberg of demonic madness in a military with a criminal mentality as evil as any in history. Read and learn then to see how low we have sunk as a nation of rapists killers and sadistic criminals!
Some four decades ago - over a hundred innocent civilians were murdered at Mei Lai – and yet it troubled the collective conscience of an entire nation. As of – July 2008 – our young killers have MURDERED over ONE MILLION innocent helpless unarmed civilians – MOSTLY CHILDREN – and it is discussed NOWHERE TODAY! Our EVIL AXIS of the US BRITIAN and ISRAHELL have created Over FIVE MILLION refugees. What happens when those who’ve grown up on Hollywood grown up on Hollywood
war movies and graphic video games are sent to the frontline?
“It’s the ultimate rush — you’re going into the fight with a good song
playing in the background,” states one soldier. This is a war fought by the first playstation generation. As Rolling Stones journalist Evan Wright explains:
“One thing about them is they kill very well in Iraq.”
The Judification/destruction of the AmeriKan conscience has now been complete! The Godless ruling elite in IsraHELL have finally achieved what the Soviets attempted but failed to do – the total moral destruction of the AmeriKan people through the destruction of our TRUE Christian heritage.
Los Angeles, Alta California - January 31, 2007 - (ACN) During the trial of Pfc. Lynndie England, now doing three years in a military prison for her part in the Abu Ghraib prison war crimes, she was asked if there were other things that happened at Abu Ghraib, things that were not photographed, she said, “Yes.” When asked if there were worse things that happened, she again said “Yes,” but would not elaborate.
While testifying before a Senate panel on May 7, 2004, the now discredited Donald Rumsfeld confirmed that certain videotapes and photographs of the horrific sexual tortures at Abu Ghraib have yet to be released. “If these are released to the public, obviously it’s going to make matters worse,” Rumsfeld admitted.
What do these not yet released videotapes and photographs show? The answer is now slowly but surely surfacing as people who know are beginning to talk. The truth about these videotapes and photographs in the Pentagon’s custody is more horrific than anything made public so far.
The videotapes and photographs that have not yet been made public depict, according to former Abu Ghraib prisoners, bestial US intelligence interrogators and military police personnel raping and sodomizing Iraqi children as young as 11 years old. Some of the new information became known this week when a former Abu Ghraib prison guard posted a video on YouTube.Com confessing to the repeated gang rape of a 15 year old Iraqi girl in custody. The video at http://youtube.com/v/HZuaiZr6YBU was promptly removed after it was making the rounds on the Internet but a transcript survived. The following is a transcript of the most relevant sections:
Voice of the guard at Abu Ghraib and another person is heard
————————————
….girl, she was probably like 15 years old. Yeah, she was hot dude. The body on that girl, yeah, really tight. You know, hadn’t been touched yet. She was * prime. So….
***
One of the guys started pimping her out for 50 bucks a shot. I think at the end of the day he’d made like 500 bucks before she hung herself.
Really?
Yeah. (laugh)
She hung herself? How’s come she hung herself?
I don’t know. She wasn’t happy. (laugh)
***
In their culture, it’s really shunned upon if you get raped. I guess she would have been stoned to death by her people. It’s * up.
She was * anyway, I guess. In more ways than one.
(more laughing)
***
You didn’t get * from the CO, did you?
No, not until those * pictures came out. After then the biggest rule was no * cameras.
***
End of Transcript
The information on the above videotape is collaborated by Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh. He has maintained that the Pentagon has videotapes of boys being sodomized at Abu Ghraib prison. “The worst is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking,” Hersh said. Seymore Hersh first gained worldwide recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War.
More collaborative statements concerning the sexual torture of children at Abu Ghraib have been made by the surviving prisoners themselves. The following is an excerpt from a statement provided by Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, Detainee #151108, on January 18 2004:
“I saw [name deleted] * a kid, his age would be about 15 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard the screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name deleted] who was wearing the military uniform putting his dick in the little kid’s ass. I couldn’t see the face of the kid because his face wasn’t in front of the door. And a female soldier was taking pictures. The sodomizer [name deleted], I think he is [deleted] because of his accent, and he was not skinny or short, and he acted like a homosexual (gay). And that was in cell #23 as best as I remember.”
The following is another testimony of sexual torture of Iraqi children from a statement provided by Thaar Salman Dawod, Detainee #150427, on January 17, 2004:
“I saw lots of people naked for a few days getting punished in the first days of Ramadan. They came with two boys naked and they were cuffed together face to face and Grainer was beating them and a group of guards were watching and taking pictures from top and bottom and there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners. The prisoners, two of them, were children. I don’t know their names.”
One of the most horrific incidents at Abu Ghraib is told by a 16 year old Iraqi girl in her own words. Nadia, in tears, narrated her story:
“I was visiting one of my relatives, and suddenly the American forces attacked the home and started to inspect it. They found some light weapons. So, they arrested all people in the home including me. I tried to explain to the interpreter, who was accompanying the American patrol, that I am just a visitor. However, my trials failed. I cried, begged them, and I lost consciousness from fear when they took me to Abu Ghraib prison.
Nadia continues “they put me alone in a dark and dirty prison cell. I expected that I will be released soon, especially when the investigation proved that I hadn’t committed a crime”
Nadia elaborated while tears poured down her cheek, a telling sign of just how much she has suffered.
“The first day was so burdensome. The cell was malodorous, humid and dark, and this condition increased the fear inside me more and more. The laughs of the soldier outside the cell made me even more scared. I was afraid of what would happen to me. For the first time I felt that I was in a difficult gridlock and that I had entered an unknown world that I would not get out of.
In the middle of these different feelings, I heard a voice for an American soldier woman who was speaking in an Arabic language. She said to me: “I didn’t imagine that the weapons’ traders in Iraq are women.” When I started to explain to her the circumstances of the situation, she beat me cruelly. I cried and shouted “By Allah! I am oppressed, By Allah! I am oppressed”
The soldier showered me with insults in a way that I have never thought possible or that I would ever be subjected to under any circumstances. Then, she started to deride me saying that she was monitoring me all the day via the satellite, and that they can track their enemies even inside their own bedrooms by American technology.
Then she laughed and said: “I was watching you when you were making love with your husband.” I replied in a confused voice “But I am not married”.
She beat me for more than one an hour and she forced me to drink a glass of water, and I knew later that they put a drug in it. I regained my consciousness after two days to find myself naked. I knew immediately that I have lost something that all the laws in the earth will not be able to return it to me once again. I had been raped. A hysterical fit attacked me and I started to hit my head violently against the walls till more than five American soldiers head by that soldier women entered the cell and started to beat me, and they raped me alternately while they laughing and listening to a loud music.
Day by day the scenario of raping me was repeated. And every day they invent new ways that are crueler than the prior ways.”
She went on describing the horrible acts of the American criminals:
“After about one month, a Negro soldier entered my cell and threw me two pieces of American military clothes. He said in weak Arabic language to wear them. After he put a black bag on my head, he led me to a public toilet where there are pipes for cold and hot water and he asked me to bathe. He then closed the door and left.
I was so exhausted and feeling pain, and despite the tremendous number of the bruises in my body, I poured out some water on my body. Before I finish my bath, the Negro soldier came in. I frightened, and I hit him in the face with the water bowl. His reaction was so tough. He raped me cruelly and spit on my face, then he left and returned with two soldiers who returned me to the cell.
The treatment continued that way, to the extent that sometimes I was raped ten times in a day, the matter which affected my health negatively.”
Nadia continued in revealing the American horrible actions made against the Iraqi women, saying:
“After more than 4 months, a woman soldier woman came, and I concluded from her conversation with other soldiers that her name is Mary. She said to me “now you have a golden opportunity, since an officer who has a high position will visit us today, if you deal with him positively, you would be released, especially because we are sure you are innocent.”
I replied, “If you are sure of I am innocent, why you don’t release me?”
She screamed in nervousness, “The only way that guarantees your releasing is to be positive with them.”
She took me to the public toilets, and she supervised my bath while she was holding a thick stick, hitting me by it if I didn’t perform her orders. Then, she gave me makeup, and warned me not to cry and ruin my makeup. Then she took me to an empty small room where there was nothing but a cover on the floor, and after one an hour she came accompanied with four soldiers who was holding cameras. She took off her clothes and she harassed me as if she was a man. The soldiers were laughing and listening to a noisy music, and taking photographs to me in all poses, and they were emphasizing on my face. The woman asked me to smile otherwise she is going to kill me, and she took a gun from one of her colleagues and fired four bullets near my head, and swore that the fifth bullet will be fired in my head.
After that, the four soldiers raped me alternately the matter which made me lose my consciousness. When I regained the consciousness I found myself in the cell and the traces of their teeth, nails and cigarettes are in everywhere in my body.”
Nadia stopped narrating her tragedy to wipe her tears, then she continued: “After one day Mary came and told me that I was cooperative, and I will be released but after I watch the film that they have shot. I was in pain when I saw the film, and she (Mary) said: “you have been created for the sole purpose for us to enjoy”. At the moment I became very anger and I attacked her although I was afraid of her reaction, and I would kill her except for the interfering of the soldiers. When the soldiers released me she showered me with hitting, then they left me.
After this incident, nobody harassed me for more then one month; I spent that period in the praying and invocation to Allah, the All-Mighty who has all power, to help me.
Mary came with some soldiers who gave me the clothes that I was wearing when they arrested me and took me to an American car. Then they threw me on the highway road after giving me 10,000 Iraqi Dinars.
I went to a home that was near the place where I have been thrown out and since I know the reaction of my family, I preferred to visit one of my relatives to let them know what happened after my absence. I knew that my brother had held a consolation board for me for more than 4 months, and they considered me as a dead person.
I understand the knife of shame is waiting for me. So, I went to Baghdad where I found a good family who lodged me, and I worked with this family as a maid and governess for their children.
Nadia wonders in pain, regret and bitterness:
“Who will quench my thirst? Who will return my virginity? What is the offense of my family and kin? I have inside me a baby, and I don’t know who his father is.”
—————
End of Nadia’s story
There is no doubt that the US has committed war crimes in Iraq of unspeakable horror. The fact is that what occurred at the Abu Ghraib prison have not been isolated incidents. Similar cases have occurred throughout Iraq. One of many cases occurred in Mahmudiya in March of 2006 when a 14 year old girl was gang raped after her parents and her 5 year old sister were massacred by drunk US occupation soldiers. The soldiers entered the young girl’s home and forced her father Abeer Qassim al-Janabi, her mother Qassim Hamza and her sister Hadeel Qassim Hamza to an adjoining room. One soldier shot her parents and sister in the head and then all proceeded to repeatedly rape her. After raping her, the US soldiers poured kerosene on her and burned her to death. These rape and killings are among the most heinous in a series of cases by the US occupiers that have tarnished the American military.
Who should pay for these war crimes? Has there been justice in the Abu Ghraib torture crimes? Two of the worse Abu Ghraib torturers received mere 10 and 3 year sentences but one was only a sergeant and the other a private first class. How about the higher ups? Have they been responsible for these war crimes as well? How about Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney and yes even George Bush? WHERE IS THE JUSTICE!!!!!!!
UPDATE
One of our subscribers has located the above referenced disturbing new video that was deleted from YouTube.com. We are informed that the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Division is presently investigating the allegations made in the video.
These people are NOT and NEVER HAVE BEEN OUR ENEMIES – PERIOD! This is all about oil – politics - deceit – treachery – greed – ignorance - hypocrisy and HIGH TREASON.
REMEMBER – NONE of these innocent civilians have EVER done ANY American ANY harm. They worship THE SAME GOD we do. They have a moral code very similar to our ONCE Christian family values foundation. The only difference is that THEY STILL CLING TO THEIR VALUES.
Not satisfied with controlling ALL of our news media – ALL of our entertainment – ALL of our educational system – most all of our legal system – ALL of our financial system – ALL of our formerly Christian churches – virtually ALL of our Congress – our President – our military – BUT NOW they want ALL of the souls of our children including those young men AND WOMEN in uniform – as so painfully illustrated in the above documented disgraceful outrages.
What part of WAR CRIMINALS IN THE WHITE HOUSE DONT YOU UNDERSTAND FOLKS? How much longer will you turn your heads – to drink your cold beer and watch meaningless children’s games as this evil carnage continues? Look at your self in the mirror and see what monsters you have become!
"Seeing as how this post shows 3:19 on my computer (that's 3:19 BST...British Summertime), is it reasonable of me to conclude that you are posting from the USA (Virginia or california perhaps [just guessing]) where your computer is presenting British times in GMT (i.e. 2:19 on Greenwich Mean Time)."
Reasonable.... possibly, but incorrect. I'm Scottish, and reside there.
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