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 Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: BBC Conspiracy Files 7/7 programme |
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J7 have been in discussions with the BBC for a 'current affairs documentary' into the events in London on 7/7/05. Much to our dismay, this documentary has turned out to be an episode of the risible Conspiracy Files series.
Read our response to the BBC here.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Conspiracy Files 7/7 programme |
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| Prole wrote: | | However, we do not feel that the Conspiracy Files is the vehicle that will facilitate this, nor will it treat the event or issues arising from it with the level of seriousness that they demand, and nor will it further the cause of the July 7th Truth Campaign’s quest for the truth about what happened on 7th July 2005. As such, the July 7th Truth Campaign has no intention of participating in the proposed episode of the Conspiracy Files and can only hope you will take on board the points we have raised in this communication in consideration of your public service duty to the people of Britain, a people that includes at least 56 families whom, through your continued refusal to honestly address the events of 7/7, you have hitherto failed abysmally. |
You're pre-judging this and doing a disservice to your cause as a result.
Don't dismiss this opportunity, the David Kelly conspiracy files documentary was excellent. All depends on what producer you're dealing with.
So I suggest you reconsider. Sit down to discuss things with the producer over a BBC lunch if you haven't done so already, we desperately need a mainstream documentary on 7/7. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater as you appear to have done here.
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Tony, I don't think that is a fair response. The first sentence of the previous paragraph states
| Quote: | | The July 7th Truth Campaign would be more than happy to participate in any serious programme that honestly examines 7/7 |
The J7 response states they don't want 7/7 to be treated as a "conspiracy file". It would serve as a warning to the BBC not to make a mockery of 7/7 as they did to 9/11.
I have to say that letter should be read by everyone!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Conspiracy Files 7/7 programme |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | | Prole wrote: | | However, we do not feel that the Conspiracy Files is the vehicle that will facilitate this, nor will it treat the event or issues arising from it with the level of seriousness that they demand, and nor will it further the cause of the July 7th Truth Campaign’s quest for the truth about what happened on 7th July 2005. As such, the July 7th Truth Campaign has no intention of participating in the proposed episode of the Conspiracy Files and can only hope you will take on board the points we have raised in this communication in consideration of your public service duty to the people of Britain, a people that includes at least 56 families whom, through your continued refusal to honestly address the events of 7/7, you have hitherto failed abysmally. |
You're pre-judging this and doing a disservice to your cause as a result.
Don't dismiss this opportunity, the David Kelly conspiracy files documentary was excellent. All depends on what producer you're dealing with.
So I suggest you reconsider. Sit down to discuss things with the producer over a BBC lunch if you haven't done so already, we desperately need a mainstream documentary on 7/7. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater as you appear to have done here. |
Alas, we did not rate a BBC lunch; only a half hour meeting was on offer. The producer was Tristan Quinn, who also produced Panorama: Faith, Hate and Charity http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/07_july/30 /panorama.shtml
It became abundantly clear that the story was not the events of July 7th 2005. The story was J7TC. With the example of the 9/11 Conspiracy Files programme we did not have a difficult decision to make.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: BBC Conspiracy Files 7/7 programme |
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Alas, we did not rate a BBC lunch
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Speaks volumes!
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| July 7 Truth Campaign wrote: | | Read our response to the BBC here. |
Awesome response. Well done.
TV Licence Fee payers of the UK pay for this tripe. We have to if we want a TV in our homes. It's the law.
Each and everyone one of us, through paying our compulsory TV Licence Fee, on pain of imprisonment, enables the BBC to shove their rubbish into our minds.
Sounds like some dictatorial, state sanctioned, Soviet style, mind warping propaganda machine.
Doesn't it?
In Great Britain?
Oh yes.
They put you in a prison cell if you don't buy it here.
The Soviet Union? Iran? China?
No.
England. Scotland, Northern Ireland. Wales.
Prison if you don't fund the BBC and have a TV in your kennel.
Fact.
And we know we have to pay them to tell us lies, if we want to watch any TV at all.
Even if we don't watch the BBC.
Fact.
Think about it.
We are paying these people to live high lives, whilst telling us lies.
Otherwise we will go to prison.
OK now?
Good.
So why do you buy newspapers too?
Got it ?
Good.
But.
The message only works if we watch it, hear it or read it.
And then believe it too.
And then repeat the same rubbish to other people.
So, don't do that.
Make a point with yourself of stopping.
Don't repeat anything they make you pay for.
Pick the bits you want.
Then try watching and questioning.
Then listening and questioning.
Then reading and questioning.
Try questioning why you are spending your time, watching and listening and reading.
Then maybe you will find yourself listening, watching and reading then understanding.
Differently.
You might then, want to find out for yourself.
Outside of the TV ?
Instead of the BBC ?
Not in the newspapers.
Maybe you might want to spend your precious time, listening, watching and reading, for what they are not showing, saying and printing . . .
Like, you know, find out where your money is not going ?
Then spend your precious time, doing something else.
Like making a difference.
Well done J7.
Keep on Keeping On.
July 7th Truth Campaign
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Thanks scubadiver and Mark. As a point of interest, when I mentioned WTC7 & Jane Standley to the producer, Tristan Quinn, he told me that CF was planning a programme on this, due to air in the summer.
BTW, comments can be left on the J7 website.
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So will there be a 7/7 programme or not?
It is not clear from this exchange |
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| karlos wrote: | So will there be a 7/7 programme or not?
It is not clear from this exchange |
It's going to be all about 7/7 Ripple Effect, you'll be glad to hear
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| numeral wrote: | | karlos wrote: | So will there be a 7/7 programme or not?
It is not clear from this exchange |
It's going to be all about 7/7 Ripple Effect, you'll be glad to hear |
I'm not so sure. I noticed the J7 website has a section criticising this film.
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| TonyGosling wrote: | Everybody here is simply ignoring my point that the Kelly documentary was a damned fine job in the best traditions of investigative journalism. And that was part of the Conspiracy Files series, it had a different producer to the diabolical 9/11 smear.
You also have to respect the producer's creative freedom. You have no choice there if you believe there should be a free press.
However, if you don't have confidence in the individuals making the particular documentary don't co-operate.
The conspiracy files is a 'department' and not just one person.
You are right to have deep suspicions - so ask the BBC to allay them and then, if they do, start talking. |
Tony, if you'd read Numeral's response:
you'd realise that of course we did our homework on the producer Tristan Quinn. The MCB's response to Faith Hate & Charity:
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John Ware’s Uncharitable Panorama in the Service of Israel
John Ware’s latest documentary for Panorama, ‘Faith, Hate and Charity’, which was broadcast last Sunday on BBC1, merely served to confirm that far from being an objective journalist, Ware is actually an agenda-driven pro-Israeli polemicist.
‘It is regrettable that the BBC – despite knowing Ware’s penchant for producing unbalanced programmes on Islam-related issues – has once again allowed its reputation to be sullied in this manner. Ware’s over-reliance on partisan Israeli and American sources clearly exposed the flimsy basis of his arguments against the British Muslim charity, Interpal. The Charities Commission asked the US authorities in 2003 to provide them with the evidence to substantiate their allegations against Interpal – and they failed to do so. Earlier this year, the Board of Deputies of British Jews were forced to apologise and pay an expensive out-of-court settlement after they made unsubstantiated allegations against Interpal. Not surprisingly, Ware made no mention of this. All in all, Ware’s Panorama was a shoddy attempt to smear a charity that has been trying to bring desperately needed relief to Palestinians subsisting under a very brutal military occupation,’ said Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, Secretary-General of the Muslim Council of Britain.
The MCB is confident that well meaning donors will not allow themselves to be deterred by such a partisan attempt to undermine the work of Interpal. The increasingly desperate attempts being made by some mediocre journalists to discourage British Muslims from speaking out against the perpetrators of injustice and oppression will not succeed.
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| What do we think of the beeb's 'Power of Nightmares' ? I remember they(the BBC) screened a very biased docu about Saddam's alleged WMD in '98, then when Clinton was forced to come clean over Monica the Iraq invasion was, of course, 'put on ice'. |
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| Better than the deafening silence we've already had on the subject though, eh? |
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It is not that the BBC have never made any excellent documentaries. Of course they have. My personal favourites are the Storyville docus
Why we fight and Dead in the Water.
Unfortunately Storyville are subject to savage budget cuts. I wonder why?
It does come down to who is the producer, who else is involved and what is their focus.
I'm inclined to trust the J7 team's judgment. The focus of the programme would have to be on the investigation and not the 'conspiracy movement' and have to include the best 7/7 researchers which IMO are
Nafeez
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: July 7th - BBC Conspiracy files |
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It would seem that Mr Quinn is really clutching at straws! After the outstanding J7 rebuttal of his advances, it seems that he is resorting to making contact with individual researchers, who operate outside of the J7 remit.
Having received an Email from Tristan Quinn a couple of days ago, inviting me to make contact with him, I have sent the following Email in response:
| Quote: | Dear Tristan,
Thanks for the Email regarding your intended programme examining the London Bombings of 7th July 2005.
I would encourage you to research the exceptional information contained within www.julyseventh.co.uk & www.officialconfusion.com/77/index.html
In addition, the following three video presentations may also provide you with further information:
The 9/11 – 7/7 Connection: www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7193024010983572797
Mind the Gap: www.video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2001897549763616199
Ludicrous Diversion: www.video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4943675105275097719
I would also encourage you to take a look at the remarkable similarities between the script of the Panorama Broadcast (written & produced by Susan O’Keefe) of 16th May 2004 and the supposed events of 7th July 2005.
Coincidentally Peter Power of Visor Consultants participated in the Panorama broadcast as a ‘Crisis Management Specialist’. The very same Peter Power who when interviewed on Radio 5 Live and again on ITV News, in the immediate aftermath of the London Bombings, went to great lengths to declare that he had been running an exercise that very morning, based on bombs exploding at ‘exactly the same three stations’.
See 7/7 Timeline: http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-timeline.html
In the absence of any Inquiry, Peter Power has not been called upon to answer many pertinent questions, including:
1). What was the name of the Company / Organisation that contracted Visor Consultants to conduct the ‘Terror Exercises’ on Thursday 7th July 2005?
2). What are the names of the individuals who established the contract with Visor Consultants and what is their relationship with the British (or any other national) Government?
3). What was the full nature of the briefing given to Visor Consultants; when was it given to them and by whom?
4). What is the relationship of Peter Power or any other member of Visor Consultants, with the British (or any other national) Security Services?
5). With whom was the planning of the July 7th ‘Terror Exercise’ shared?
I have also attached a summary of the Train data from the morning of 7th July 2005 for your perusal.
Tristan, good luck with your research and I look forward to reviewing a programme of balanced investigative journalism.
Kind regards,
Ian R. Crane
PS. In November of 2005, I presented The 9/11 – 7/7 Connection at The Trades Club in Hebdon Bridge, Yorkshire. At the end of the evening a gentleman approached me and introduced himself as a Senior Reporter with the Yorkshire Evening Post (I still have his Business Card). He proceeded to tell me that his own investigation also concluded that he doubted the veracity of the official version of events. I asked him if he would be publishing the results of his investigation. He hung his head and said, “Ian, as much as I would really like to (run the feature), … my Editor has told me that it would be journalistic suicide.”
Somehow I doubt that either you or the BBC are about to commit ‘journalistic suicide’!
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Well done J7.
Also done well all who have refused to collaborate (oops!) with the unhappy institution which the beeb has become.
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| Quote: | | It's going to be all about 7/7 Ripple Effect, you'll be glad to hear |
And not about Ludicrous Diversion or Mind The Gap? What a suprise. |
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Tony Gosling wrote:
| Quote: | | Everybody here is simply ignoring my point that the Kelly documentary was a damned fine job in the best traditions of investigative journalism. And that was part of the Conspiracy Files series, it had a different producer to the diabolical 9/11 smear. |
The Kelly documentary was the least bad of the series. Much was left out. Bruising on the body. Kelly's aversion to pills. Searches of his home with Mrs Kelly sent outside. etc, etc. Finally, it came down 100% in favour of suicide.
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| Tony Gosling wrote: | | Worry ye not prole, I'm not under any illusions about the potential for dark deeds by the White City brigade nor about the gravity of the task the BBC are embarking on taking on powerful and evil forces in the establishment. |
The BBC are part of the establishment, and it is, imo, delusional to expect any programme that the Conspiracy Files makes on 7/7 to 'take on powerful and evil forces'.
Tristan Quinn may have been unaware of 7/7 Ripple Effect when he spoke to you, but when I spoke to him he was very aware of it. Susan Prichard has contacted Muad'Dib as well, he sent J7 a copy of his reply:
| Quote: | Dear Susan,
Peace be upon you and within you.
I hope this finds you well, in good spirit, having a good day and that you will
have a joyful and prosperous 2008.
Thank you for your message and the information/confirmation that the BBC is
aware of my "7/7 Ripple Effect" film, and that you have, along with tens of
thousands of others, watched it.
The government and BBC are obviously worried about my film, and others, and
their effect on the government's and BBC's (but I repeat myself) credibility,
otherwise you would not be making this Conspiracy Files documentary and
contacting me.
As I have made very clear in my film; and should be obvious; I do not trust the
BBC.
I have been told about your previous Conspiracy Files documentaries and how
biased they are in supporting the government's official stories/lies, as you are
paid to do, and how they attempt to undermine, ridicule and discredit the people
who, like me, tell the truth.
It would therefore be unwise of me to agree to work with the BBC, unless I have
complete control over the content and editing, and the finished product, so that
what would be broadcast by the BBC would actually be the truth, for a change. A
very refreshing change at that.
If I thought for one moment that the BBC was truly interested in telling the
nation and world the truth, instead of government conspiracy theories, lies and
brain-washing propaganda, I would be very interested in participating, but I do
not think that, and, in fact, as should be clear from the above, think the very
opposite.
I made my film to last 57 minutes, precisely so that it could be easily
broadcast, as is, unedited, in a one hour TV slot like yours, but preferably at
prime-time.
I recommend that, instead of doing your usual Conspiracy Files' hit-piece,
trying to discredit the truth and bolster the government's conspiracy theory
official story/pack of lies, you instead broadcast my film, as is, unedited, and
then, afterwards, we can talk about doing a follow-up, to go more in depth to
prove the government story is a pack of lies, and have the perpetrators
arrested. If you use the tubes and buses, it is in your own best interest to
broadcast my film, as is, unedited, and help bring the perpetrators to justice,
before they do it again and possibly kill you too in the process.
If you are willing to do that, I look forward to working with you in future.
I do not do phone-calls, but am willing to correspond with you via email, so
that I have a written record of everything that we both have said/written.
Truly,
Muad'Dib.
> Dear Sir,
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> BBC 2 is producing an hour long Current Affairs documentary examining what happened on the day of the London bombings, July 7th, 2005. It is for the BBC 2 series "The Conspiracy Files", and aims to provide a definitive account of events on that day.
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> I have seen the Ripple Effect film and I would be grateful if it were possible for us to discuss your findings in more detail.
> Yours
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> Susan Prichard
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As a reminder of the formula, the rather sickly voice of the female narrator ends 9/11 Conspiracy Files (all of the CF end with a similar message including the one on David Kelly):
'The conspiracy theorists will continue, no matter how painful this maybe for the families of the victims.'
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Ludicrous Diversion say NO!
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The BBC alongside the elected leaders of all political parties as well as the Police know the score regarding 7/7.
The issue involved here is that they want to co-opt the 7/7 campaign so they can list it on the credits when they produced the latest version of their propaganda.
There is no news in the BBC and the BBC does not deal in the truth.
After the event and a generation has passed they might admit what was common knowledge before. |
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It's threads like this that make cyber-comminication so very worthwhile, IMO.
| Quote: | | The BBC are part of the establishment |
I would go further and say that post-Dyke, the Bliar Bullsh*t Cabal ARE the public face of the establishment. There's an undercurrent in some of the posts here that imply this is not common knowledge ;-)
Well done all. We don't need another conspiracy file!
BE the media.
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The BBC can't be trusted, end of story.
Long live BBC5.tv! |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | Tristan Quinn has told me he had only watched Mind The Gap and Ludicrous Diversions. He didn't appear to know about any of the various excellent BT internet films from just after the attacks nor, I presume, The Homefront by Thomas Ikimi.
Worry ye not prole, I'm not under any illusions about the potential for dark deeds by the White City brigade nor about the gravity of the task the BBC are embarking on, taking on powerful and evil forces in the establishment.
In the mid-1970s Director General Hugh Green had the locks changed on the office Roger Courtiour and Barrie Penrose were using to research a documentary on the Wilson Plot even though by doing so Green was covering up for treason.
And thanks for all the digging on this crew by the way. |
| Quote: | Hugh Greene also strongly opposed pressure from the morality campaigner Mary Whitehouse, a stance not always followed by future directors-general.
The tone of BBC radio overall changed less radically in the Hugh Greene era than that of BBC television, with reforms of the networks not coming until 1970 (by which time Sir Charles Curran was director-general). However it was in 1967, under Greene's director-generalship, that the corporation embraced pop radio for the first time with Radio 1, taking most of its DJs and music policy from off-shore radio (on the notorious pirate ships), which had just been banned by the government. |
Just dot joining...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Carleton_Greene
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It is encouraging that those who direct the activities of the BBC find it necessary to produce another desperate piece of propaganda.
I hope the people responsible for the production of this latest piece of lying b*llsh*t hold the quiet concern in the back of their minds that it is quite possible that they will one day be called to account for their actions.....and the murderous consequences of all their lies and dissembling. |
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