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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Hitting A Karate Champion With A Block Of Wood Reply with quote

I thought I would give it a go. I've always thought that the No Planes hypothesis was unnecessary and outlandish. So I have spent the last few hours sifting through a barrage of video evidence.

I never thought I would say this, but I am beginning to think that No Planes isn't quite as fanciful as I first thought. It is cheaper and has less attached risks. And some of the live footage seems to have been "improved" for subsequent replay.

However, I feel I really should make a very important point about some of the pseudo-science being peddled as evidence. Many people have said to me that it is impossible for aluminium to cut through reinforced steel. There are several problems with this naive view.

Firstly, the aluminium used in airplanes is *stronger* in the tensile sense than steel is.

And secondly, let me ask a little question here :

How is it possible that you can drive a wooden stake into the heart of a vampire AND be able to cut through a solid slab of wood with a well-placed karate or tai-kwondoe strike ?

Surely the objects are symmetrical ? Surely it is the same thing hitting a black belt with a block of wood as it is him hitting a block of wood ? Or maybe there is a tendency for people to believe what they want to believe.

I'll tell you what I find distasteful, people who have not the *slightest* understanding of inertia, lecturing me on elementary physics. As I said before, I am now more than open to the No Planes hypothesis, but I am absolutely *not* going to be lectured at by people whose intellect and scientific knowledge leave a lot to be desired.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Hitting A Karate Champion With A Block Of Wood Reply with quote

gordboy wrote:
I am now more than open to the No Planes hypothesis


Evidence to the contrary for your perusal if you haven't encountered it already:

from http://911disinformation.com

Videos

Plane Photos

Plane Parts

Eyewitnesses

Eyewitnesses (1st Hand)

Eyewitnesses (2nd Hand)

Earwitnesses

Plane Debris Eyewitnesses

Miscellaneous Eyewitnesses


see also:

from http://georgewashington.blogspot.com

No Planes Theory: R.I.P.

The Fatal Flaw in the No Plane Theory

and:

from http://arabesque911.blogspot.com

9/11 Disinformation and Misinformation: Definitions and Examples

September Clues, TV Fakery: Debunked

The 9/11 Plane Theories and the "Conspiracy Theory Method"

and:

from http://journalof911studies.com

A Critical Review of WTC 'No Plane' Theories by Eric Salter

Interpreting the Boeing-767 Deceleration During Impact with the WTC Tower: Center of Mass Versus Tail-end Motion, and Instantaneous Versus Average Velocity by Dr Greg Jenkins

and finally:

Debunking "September Clues" by Nick Irving

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Gareth.

I gladly accept your kind links, in the spirit of objectivity, balance and the desire to move the argument forward, that they were undoubtedly given in Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Gareth

In order to question.....no planes..

You link to.....http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/09/no-planes-theory-r ip.html....No Planes Theory: R.I.P.

Here are some of the earwitness accounts:

From the first dozen.......the majority didn't see any planes.

Strange....

+ who is ..coloneljennysparkes.....
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hello Gareth

In order to question.....no planes..

You link to.....http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/09/no-planes-theory-r ip.html....No Planes Theory: R.I.P.

Here are some of the earwitness accounts:

From the first dozen.......the majority didn't see any planes.

Strange....



Strange? You should've actually read it...

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In other words, for the no planes theory to be true, not only would CGI have had to be inserted in live videocamera feeds, and all of the witnesses who saw the planes be disinfo agents, but some sort of high-tech flying sound generator would have had to be used to fake the moving sounds of planes flying into the buildings.

Here are some of the earwitness accounts....

see: No Planes Theory: R.I.P.



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+ who is ..coloneljennysparkes.....


Why don't you find out for yourself...

http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Hitting A Karate Champion With A Block Of Wood Reply with quote

gareth wrote:
gordboy wrote:
I am now more than open to the No Planes hypothesis


Evidence to the contrary for your perusal if you haven't encountered it already:

from http://911disinformation.com

Videos

Plane Photos

Plane Parts

Eyewitnesses

Eyewitnesses (1st Hand)

Eyewitnesses (2nd Hand)

Earwitnesses

Plane Debris Eyewitnesses

Miscellaneous Eyewitnesses


see also:

from http://georgewashington.blogspot.com

No Planes Theory: R.I.P.

The Fatal Flaw in the No Plane Theory

and:

from http://arabesque911.blogspot.com

9/11 Disinformation and Misinformation: Definitions and Examples

September Clues, TV Fakery: Debunked

The 9/11 Plane Theories and the "Conspiracy Theory Method"

and:

from http://journalof911studies.com

A Critical Review of WTC 'No Plane' Theories by Eric Salter

Interpreting the Boeing-767 Deceleration During Impact with the WTC Tower: Center of Mass Versus Tail-end Motion, and Instantaneous Versus Average Velocity by Dr Greg Jenkins

and finally:

Debunking "September Clues" by Nick Irving




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disinformation sites are not real truth sites, Colin jenny sparks is an infiltrator.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NPT is carefully constructed Disinfomation;

Just for anyones interest, the damage imparted on one object by another is really cheifly goverened by ENERGY not mechanical tensile strength.

Hence why you can break a window or dent a car with an orange.

Its utter rubbish from start to end. No if`s buts or maybees.
Thats not a snap judgement either, I promise you.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowygrouch wrote:
NPT is carefully constructed Disinfomation;

Just for anyones interest, the damage imparted on one object by another is really cheifly goverened by ENERGY not mechanical tensile strength.

Hence why you can break a window or dent a car with an orange.

Its utter rubbish from start to end. No if`s buts or maybees.
Thats not a snap judgement either, I promise you.

C.



energy is nothing do with what the videos show
there simply cgi

iam a video editor! and i used various techniques with filters
i see no crash physics, all i see is a lighted object when it makes impact
a couple of the cameraplanet videos didn't even show a plane or noise as the explosion happens. ( time to wake up)

dont try to tell me no-plane is dis-info, its called research into video fakery
especially the usa archives as they broadcasted.

i have all videos of the second plane hit inc all documentaries & dvds aired
i suggest you do some real research frame by frame into, some of the video's. (you might learn something)


so far we have actors playing out roles thru the documentaries
we have audio fakery i.e explosions voices etc
your getting brainwashed stupidly by the media lol.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been there, done it mate,

How about YOU look closely at the impacts; you can actually measure the decelleration as the fuselage hits....

If you are a video editor you should know all about the compression algorithms that are used to compress high quality video into the pixellated excuse for images that NPT love to talk about.

Digital video is just pixels compressed with computer algorithms into bigger pixels that look at the colour of the pixels around them and make adjustments to reduce an image of about 3million pixels to about 100,000 (which is about what you`ll get on google-video).

You loose quite a bit in those 2,900,000 missing pixels!

If you really choose to believe that over plane parts, decellerating impacts, seismic data, eyewitness data, (much higher quality still images)
and the rest then I question your motives/and or sanity.

I`m off because I`ve been bored to death having this exact conversation about 997 times. I dont need to see what the outcome of the 998th one will be to see a pattern either.

Cheerio

C.

PS Professional video editor my arse.....

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i seen the impacts there fake as hell even the explosion don't match with the plane impacts.


i use no compression i take from dvd over 5000 bitrates & recorded ts wich is mpeg2 from cable over
3500 bitrates, usa archives are also mpeg2!! you aint going get any higher you dummy unless you get the
uncompressed avi video footage which = 1 hour = 12gb you moron

do you not ever wonder why they can bring out the oldest movies on hd and bluray? thats because they were filmed
at a higher resolution that your tv could display.

thats why you still see movies getting displayed on new formats lol its a market spinner.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gareth wrote:

blackbear wrote:
+ who is ..coloneljennysparkes.....

Why don't you find out for yourself...
http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com


Colonel Jenny Sparkes wrote:
It is time to stop pissing about and shut this * down.


Are you asking us to take the anonymous Colonel Sparkes seriously? Yes, amazingly enough, you are.

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Thats funny,
I`ve met the producers of ZERO and talked to them at GREAT length about getting footage of the planes hitting.

According to them they could not get ANY broadcast grade footage of the event from the major media companies, and yes they did try.

So I`d be VERY interested to know how you managed to get broadcast quality footage of impacts.

Care to upload it?

C.

I wouldnt know about TV, dont watch it and use a very hires monitor which is better than HD anyway...."dummy". Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't worry SG, it's just another tw*t like Arse Baker who doesn't know that any electronic video format is compressed by definition.

Now if he had optical film we'd be talkin'...

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyGosling wrote:
Are you asking us to take the anonymous Colonel Sparkes(sic) seriously? Yes, amazingly enough, you are.


Still bitter from when Tarpley got devastatingly owned? Shame.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I'm intrigued as to why you should take such an anonymous hate peddlar seriously.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowygrouch wrote:
Thats funny,
I`ve met the producers of ZERO and talked to them at GREAT length about getting footage of the planes hitting.

According to them they could not get ANY broadcast grade footage of the event from the major media companies, and yes they did try.

So I`d be VERY interested to know how you managed to get broadcast quality footage of impacts.

Care to upload it?

C.

I wouldnt know about TV, dont watch it and use a very hires monitor which is better than HD anyway...."dummy". Laughing



well you ain't looking hard enough sum people were on the ball years ago
most of the stuff is now getting hidden with colour balance

how i got them is none of your business.

i have
abc : 60gb 11/12/13 3 days
bbc : world 10gb worth
cnn : 12gb
fox5 : 50gb 11/12
nbc 4: 60gb 11/12/13 3 days

cameraplanet 500mb

loads of dvds & broadcast tv documentaries through cable taped with digital cablebox (Ethernet to Ethernet) no transcoding done.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chek wrote:
I wouldn't worry SG, it's just another tw*t like Arse Baker who doesn't know that any electronic video format is compressed by definition.

Now if he had optical film we'd be talkin'...


chek talking out his arse again, blaming low rez
stop watching those 320x220 flash videos then.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gareth wrote:
TonyGosling wrote:
Are you asking us to take the anonymous Colonel Sparkes(sic) seriously? Yes, amazingly enough, you are.


Still bitter from when Tarpley got devastatingly owned? Shame.





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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stealth_0073 wrote:
chek talking out his arse again, blaming low rez
stop watching those 320x220 flash videos then.


I notice you're the one attempting to impress with meaningless figures for quantity Mr "Professional Video Editor":
Stealth_0073 wrote:
i have
abc : 60gb 11/12/13 3 days
bbc : world 10gb worth
cnn : 12gb
fox5 : 50gb 11/12
nbc 4: 60gb 11/12/13 3 days
cameraplanet 500mb

without stating the more important quality figures which are their resolution, format and bitrate.
Then we'd have an idea of how much of the image has been compressed out of existence, wouldn't we.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

480 x 480 @ 3000 bitrate ntsc for the usa archives

dvds are 720x576 5000 > 8000 bitrate

digital tv which i recorded alot of the 911 documentaries
is 720x 576 upto 5000 bitrate depending on tv channel.

a 60 min 12gb uncompressed avi video file from my camera recorder
will compress to 1gb mpeg2 keeping the excat same aspect ratio,
as you no divx & xvid is poorer quality and lower bitrates

bring on the hd stuff
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