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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist' Reply with quote

This is the kind of world we are allowing the government to create for us. Actually this stuff has nothing much to do with corpses we elect. It comes out of think-tanks. These think tanks are controlled by big money and 'big money' is a Zionist entity.
Zionism is creating for us an 'anti-racist' 'diversity' culture within which the individual will have to seek permission for the least little thing he/she wants to do ("Get out the risk-assessment forms Ethel. It's the law")....including. it would seem, the kind of food one is allowed to like.

Zion itself, however, is in contrast the most racist anti-'diversity' culture on earth.

Last week after getting a class of year 7's to make boats out of plastic bottles, elastic bands and plastic paddles etc., I was told I could not take them down to the pond to test them without first filling in risk assessment forms and getting the action passed by the school health & safety officer. I'll die before I put another pen to one of those things. Three weeks ago I got a boll*cking for staying till 7pm to help 6th formers with their coursework without filling in these forms (compulsory if you stay after 5pm in our seat of learning [and great wisdom]). One of the students couldn't contact his mother to pick him up and had no money so I drove him to the station and gave him a fiver to get home.....a double-boll*cking for that.....no school insurance for such wild behaviour and breaking of guidelines re one to one contact and possible sexual allegations.

Am I the only one who is getting mad about this ultra-sinister, calculating, degenerate tripe?

Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist'
Rosa Prince – Telegraph.co.uk July 7, 2008

Toddlers who turn their noses up at spicy food from overseas could be branded racists by a Government-sponsored agency.

The National Children's Bureau, which receives £12 million a year, mainly from Government funded organisations, has issued guidance to play leaders and nursery teachers advising them to be alert for racist incidents among youngsters in their care.

This could include a child of as young as three who says "yuk" in response to being served unfamiliar foreign food.

The guidance by the NCB is designed to draw attention to potentially-racist attitudes in youngsters from a young age.

It alerts playgroup leaders that even babies can not be ignored in the drive to root out prejudice as they can "recognise different people in their lives".

The 366-page guide for staff in charge of pre-school children, called Young Children and Racial Justice, warns: "Racist incidents among children in early years settings tend to be around name-calling, casual thoughtless comments and peer group relationships."

It advises nursery teachers to be on the alert for childish abuse such as: "blackie", "Pakis", "those people" or "they smell".

The guide goes on to warn that children might also "react negatively to a culinary tradition other than their own by saying 'yuk'".

Staff are told: "No racist incident should be ignored. When there is a clear racist incident, it is necessary to be specific in condemning the action."

Warning that failing to pick children up on their racist attitudes could instil prejudice, the NCB adds that if children "reveal negative attitudes, the lack of censure may indicate to the child that there is nothing unacceptable about such attitudes".

Nurseries are encouraged to report as many incidents as possible to their local council. The guide added: "Some people think that if a large number of racist incidents are reported, this will reflect badly on the institution. In fact, the opposite is the case."
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/education/2261307/Toddler s-who-dislike-spicy-food-racist%2C-say-report.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Last week after getting a class of year 7's to make boats out of plastic bottles, elastic bands and plastic paddles etc., I was told I could not take them down to the pond to test them without first filling in risk assessment forms and getting the action passed by the school health & safety officer. I'll die before I put another pen to one of those things. Three weeks ago I got a boll*cking for staying till 7pm to help 6th formers with their coursework without filling in these forms (compulsory if you stay after 5pm in our seat of learning [and great wisdom]). One of the students couldn't contact his mother to pick him up and had no money so I drove him to the station and gave him a fiver to get home.....a double-boll*cking for that.....no school insurance for such wild behaviour and breaking of guidelines re one to one contact and possible sexual allegations.

Am I the only one who is getting mad about this ultra-sinister, calculating, degenerate tripe?


Good on ya kbo234

I am involved in summer camps for children (teens) and in the past we have had a leader in a tent with 3 teenagers (leaders themselves are usually only in their 20s) Some of the leaders are teachers and fear having accusations made against them as it would cause terrible problems in their jobs, so its beeen decided that the leaders will have to have their own tents close by. On the younger camp we do, 7 to 12 yr old you can imagine that young kids are going to be scared in a dark tent with noone to supervise and look after them.
Its a sad world when you almost feel you have to say to some parents look i am not a pervert or paedophile ---would your kids like to come fishing. Were gonna end up with kids who will miss out on a lot of fun and growing experiences because adults are scared stiff and the form filling too onerous. I got really angry couple of years back when I read about a dad who wasnt allowed to camp on a campsite in North wales with his daughter.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an interesting take on this article:

http://www.truthforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=146

Pity Rory's not allowed here because I'm sure he'd be on it with a few fighting words if he was! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rory's leftism and hatred of all that is Tory is getting the better of his common sense.

Our response or our children's response to certain foods is something about which the government (and who exactly is this government?) and their agencies should have NOTHING to say to us at all.

NOTHING.

ZILCH.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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F. OFF!


"Hatred"? Look who's talking!



Ugh, what a nasty, embittered person you are! Rory is greatly missed here for all his interesting writings and for his human-ness. Your nastiness would certainly not be missed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be stupid Isthar.
This is not directed at Rory. It is directed at the people who are creating this culture. I just think Rory is silly to fall for it in this case.

I am directing this anger at people who are creating a situation where the plebs (i.e. you and me) are being conditioned to fear taking any natural action without getting permission to do so first.....while the powerful can do exactly as they please.

The created 'anti-racism', 'diversity' and 'health & safety' agendas are fraudululent. They are not imposed on us to serve the purpose they are pretending to serve.

All these things come from one source....the real government of this country.

Please don't try and tell me that the people who are prepared to invade Iraq and murder a mllion+ innocent people (who were and remain no threat to us at all) give a sh*t about my health and safety.......or yours.......or the children who need to be advised how to appropriately respond to the taste of food they can't stand.

Don't you get it yet?

This is about condioning us to feel helpless. It is just another form of intimidation of the masses.

The 'anti-racist' and 'diversity' agenda is about divide-and-rule. It is about atomising our society so that people can feel and act in service of no collective allegiance at all.

It is about drawing ALL power to the centre.

To themselves, the creators of this Luciferian shy*e.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said kbo234.

I found this on the California State University website:

http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/review-AR.html


Kevin MacDonald's The Culture of Critique

Reviewed by Stanley Hornbeck

In The Culture of Critique, Kevin MacDonald advances a carefully researched but extremely controversial thesis: that certain 20th century intellectual movements -- largely established and led by Jews -- have changed European societies in fundamental ways and destroyed the confidence of Western man. He claims that these movements were designed, consciously or unconsciously, to advance Jewish interests even though they were presented to non-Jews as universalistic and even utopian. He concludes that the increasing dominance of these ideas has had profound political and social consequences that benefited Jews but caused great harm to gentile societies. This analysis, which he makes with considerable force, is an unusual indictment of a people generally thought to be more sinned against than sinning.

The Culture of Critique is the final title in Prof. MacDonald's massive, three-volume study of Jews and their role in history. The two previous volumes are A People That Shall Dwell Alone and Separation and its Discontents, published by Praeger in 1994 and 1998. The series is written from a sociobiological perspective that views Judaism as a unique survival strategy that helps Jews compete with other ethnic groups. Prof. MacDonald, who is a psychologist at the University of California at Long Beach, explains this perspective in the first volume, which describes Jews as having a very powerful sense of uniqueness that has kept them socially and genetically separate from other peoples. The second volume traces the history of Jewish-gentile relations, and finds the causes of anti-Semitism primarily in the almost invariable commercial and intellectual dominance of gentile societies by Jews and in their refusal to assimilate. The Culture of Critique brings his analysis into the present century, with an account of the Jewish role in the radical critique of traditional culture.

The intellectual movements Prof. MacDonald discusses in this volume are Marxism, Freudian psychoanalysis, the Frankfurt school of sociology, and Boasian anthropology. Perhaps most relevant from a racial perspective, he also traces the role of Jews in promoting multi-culturalism and Third World immigration. Throughout his analysis Prof. MacDonald reiterates his view that Jews have promoted these movements as Jews and in the interests of Jews, though they have often tried to give the impression that they had no distinctive interests of their own. Therefore Prof. MacDonald's most profound charge against Jews is not ethnocentrism but dishonesty -- that while claiming to be working for the good of mankind they have often worked for their own good and to the detriment of others. While attempting to promote the brotherhood of man by dissolving the ethnic identification of gentiles, Jews have maintained precisely the kind of intense group solidarity they decry as immoral in others.

Prof. MacDonald claims that one of the most consistent ways in which Jews have advanced their interests has been to promote pluralism and diversity -- but only for others. Ever since the 19th century, they have led movements that tried to discredit the traditional foundations of gentile society: patriotism, racial loyalty, the Christian basis for morality, social homogeneity, and sexual restraint. At the same time, within their own communities, and with regard to the state of Israel, they have often supported the very institutions they attack in gentile society.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The report in question costs 20 quid and doesn't look likely to be accessible free online as on their website NCB state costs of production will be met by book sales as the report had no government funding. It's a shame as it would be nice to just be able to look at see what it actually says.
This is unfortunate as everyone seems to be deciding the world is about to end because of a line in an NCB report we have no idea if it is being quoted in context. Compare the headline

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It advises nursery teachers to be on the alert for childish abuse such as: "blackie", "Pakis", "those people" or "they smell".

The guide goes on to warn that children might also "react negatively to a culinary tradition other than their own by saying 'yuk'".


Which might be an OTT linking of disliking unfamiliar food (hardly unnatural) with possible familial prejudice or it might be trying to suggest that if children have a knee-jerk reaction to something 'foreign' it may suggest they get this from their parent's attitudes. In fact it might even be suggesting that young people be discouraged from saying 'yuk' about each other's 'foriegn' food. The article doesn't make it clear. It does not appear to actually suggest "toddlers" who dislike "spicy food" are "racist". The article fails to evidence the headline - am I the only one to wonder if it's probably overly dramatic?


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Warning that failing to pick children up on their racist attitudes could instil prejudice, the NCB adds that if children "reveal negative attitudes, the lack of censure may indicate to the child that there is nothing unacceptable about such attitudes".


Common sense really. If you're brought up in a racist household, it is likely you'll think such views are normal. Unless the evil forces of do-goodery stick their noses in and interfere with your freedom to go on about paki scum or whatever with their malign brainwashing about how regarding other people as being inherently inferior is a bit off.

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Please don't try and tell me that the people who are prepared to invade Iraq and murder a mllion+ innocent people (who were and remain no threat to us at all) give a sh*t about my health and safety.......or yours.......or the children who need to be advised how to appropriately respond to the taste of food they can't stand.


I had never realised the National Children's Bureau were responsible for the invasion of Iraq. Is the Pentagon aware of this?

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The 'anti-racist' and 'diversity' agenda is about divide-and-rule.


Oh of course. We will be far more united once we get back to some good old fashioned racism. No if you'll excuse me, I'm just off down the paki end of my estate to post some sh*t through their letter boxes and then I'm off to find a yid I can verbally abuse; they rule the world, you know.
And they invented anti-racism to enslave us -

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Zionism is creating for us an 'anti-racist' 'diversity' culture within which the individual will have to seek permission for the least little thing he/she wants to do ("Get out the risk-assessment forms Ethel. It's t


The dirty b*stards. Let's not put up with this "anti-racism" a moment longer! It's a filthy Jewish trick!
Gaw, and teh jooos apparently invented risk assessments too. School risk assessments have always been high on the Zionist agenda.

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. It is about atomising our society so that people can feel and act in service of no collective allegiance at all.


If only there was a strong white man we could all rally behind. Preferably one with a moustache. Let's have a "collective allegiance" instead of all this poxy "diversity".


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I found this on the California State University website:


Yes this is Kevin McDonald, who served as an expert witness for Irving during the Lipstadt trial. He's got some thing about groupthink among Jews or something. The review is originally from fascist rag American Renaissance.

Curiously, McDonald retains a tenure despite having cranky ideas about Jews...just who is it you reckon you "cannot criticise"...?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People already feel helpless to change anything in this culture Dogsmilk.

You might like this but I don't.

I see our government (hidden though they are) as basically evil. You want to insist that anyone who opposes it yearns for Hitler.

Yeah, nice.

I see our government as essentially Zionist. I base this judgement on the realities I see around me.

We are occupying foreign countries in the middle East and slaughtering their inhabitants. These people are no threat to us at all. They are, however, perceived as a threat by Israel. We are imposing economic sanctions against the citizens of Gaza.

The only modern blasphemy possible is to question any aspect of 'the holocaust'.

...oh, and there's 9/11. I'm not saying Israel dunnit but they were certainly heavily involved.

I can remember English society when I was a little kid. I remember the British working class pride in 'The Empire' (though it was seriously waning at that time). 'Gawd's an englishman you know' and such stuff. As one brought up in an Irish household I knew better than to buy into that cr*p. I inherited a knowledge of what 'Empire' actually meant. Black people today are generally much more savvy than whites. They too understand that the ruling classes speak with a forked tongue.
The thing is the white working class typically bought into the lies (as so many do today). Ordinary Jewish people also seem to almost totally buy into the lies of their own elite. The British elite and the Jewish elite are one entity. Currently their tools for pushing towards global control are usury (as usual) and Zionism (divide-and-rule).

The fact that Jews, particularly, cannot see through this and recognise the disaster Zionism will necessarily be for Israel is a great tragedy.

If they start to 'get it' everyone else will too.

We will stand a chance against these people.

I'm always getting told off for saying these things on this forum but 9/11 is not the only taboo out there that needs to be swept aside.

The creators of our culture, the citizen's enemy, the war party, the bankers' brain, the globalists.....must be exposed for what they are.

Sorry to disagree with you Dogsmilk, old chap. Give my best regards to Adolph.

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People already feel helpless to change anything in this culture Dogsmilk.

You might like this but I don't.


That's because popular movements have largely dissolved due to us being bought by consumer culture. It's incredibly difficult to escape the net. No soon as you start a protest movement, someone will be selling protest t-shirts back to you. Che Guevara has gone from revolutionary to consumer icon. It's the system that gets you, not some mythical evil Jews pulled out of some nineteenth century conspiracy theory.

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I see our government (hidden though they are) as basically evil.


I don't think the government are "evil" (or "Luciferian" - whatever that means) - I think they are human beings like you and me who have too much power and too much self delusion they are somehow doing the right thing from inside their privileged little bubble. Government itself is a menace and the sooner we evolve beyond this primitive desire for an alpha male to tell us what to do the better.

I just tend not to believe in some fantasy Jewish menace which would give me the convenient delusion that if we did somethin' 'bout teh jooos everything would be fine and we could wave our Union Jacks with pride.
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You want to insist that anyone who opposes it yearns for Hitler.


Poppycock. It's just the guy has such a fan club round here.

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and Zionism (divide-and-rule).


Is there anything you don't blame on "Zionism"?????? How - exactly - is Zionism defined as "divide and rule"? And did Jews invent that concept then? Oooh, them Jews the-they're just not like us are they?!
You have yet to explain how anti-racism constitutes "Zionism". What next? If you're against homophobia is that "Zionist" too?

Your true colours get more vivid with every post you write.

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If so, maybe it's because they've experience of racism. Though they can't be that savvy as they don't appear to have cottoned on to the "Zionist agenda" of being kinda against that sort of thing and this "Zionist" engineered "diversity agenda" shows they must be some kind of stooges in the grand "Zionist" plan, right?

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We are occupying foreign countries in the middle East and slaughtering their inhabitants. These people are no threat to us at all. They are, however, perceived as a threat by Israel. We are imposing economic sanctions against the citizens of Gaza.


Yeah, we also played ball with decades of persecuting Cuba, kicked everyone out of their homes on Diego Garcia, looked the other way while America ran rampant through central/south America installing puppets, running terrorist operations and backing death squads, armed Indonesia while it carried out genocide blah blah blah. None of which has anything to do with Israel or "Zionism", so it's basically irrelevant, right?
And since when was Afghanistan a threat to Israel, perceived or otherwise? Or were they invaded simply to "get the terrorists"?
And of course oil has nothing to do with anything...

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The only modern blasphemy possible is to question any aspect of 'the holocaust'.


Even if you're a Danish cartoonist?
This just shows how one-track your worldview is.

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I see our government as essentially Zionist. I base this judgement on the realities I see around me.


In reality, you might find the PTB are not quite as obsessed with Jews as you are.

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The creators of our culture, the citizen's enemy, the war party, the bankers' brain, the globalists.....must be exposed for what they are.


Jews, right?

Seriously, what do you think? Your cabal of "elite Jews" will be swept away and everything will be great? All the corporations will be staffed by sunny faced young things working for the common good, we'll be able to trust the government and we'll go forth into a brave new world devoid of all anti-racism and diversity, united under some "common allegiance"?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogsmilk.

If you can't see that the Zionist state of Israel is being used to precipitate ongoing conflict in the middle-east then you see nothing.

The financial overclass have advanced their interests by creating and funding wars and using their ancient friend usury to gain control of all sides after the event.

We are, slowly and surely being dragged towards the precipice of another world war. An attack on Iran will inevitably cause a global conflict.

Do you agree or not that it is Israel more than any other visible party that is trying to force forward this evil agenda?


It would seem that the only reason such an attack has not already happened is that senior US military are refusing to obey orders.

By saying that there is no 'evil' out there, that it is just about the alpha male being the alpha male you are denying that the wickedness is organised and emanates from individual humans who should be identified, exposed and opposed. By trying to abstract the problems you are, in practice, supporting these criminals.

This is like people saying (as I guess you would, particularly if connected to its Jewish practitioners [and they are not the only ones...I need to say that before you leap in]) that usury is a natural state of affairs and is a result of our collective human nature.

NO.

The usury through which we are all now more or less enslaved is very much a created culture. It was outlawed and resisted for centuries. It was forbidden by the Christian churches. It is still forbidden by Islam. Christ drove the moneylenders from the temple to protect the Jewish people of his day from these fiends (and it is the only time in the gospels that he behaved in such an aggressive manner) because he recognised that which we seem to have forgotten....

........that usury is in itself a great moral hazard.

Well, the moneylenders are back in force and they have us all by the throat. This is NOT a natural state of affairs.....nor is it it a simple matter of human nature taking its course.

Rather it is about decent humanity forgetting its principles, lowering its guard and allowing itself to be seduced by corrupting and deceptive sales pitches delivered by these real fiends.

This is a 9/11 Truth forum. We believe 9/11 was a crime by these parties against humanity. The criminals are REAL PEOPLE with high intelligence and a real agenda to impose globalism on the whole world.....under their control.

The evidence supports all these assertions. Should we just shrug our shoulders, bow to all the taboos they have created for us to protect themselves.....say,"That's just the way of the world" and move on?

....that's the way you'd have us Dogsmilk.

Forever the victims of these moneyed b*stards.

.....and on the Jewish thing.....the only thing that seems to excite you.....if you do not recognise that the hatred that Israel is creating for itself in the Middle-East (and now elsewhere) can only, in the end, mean utter disaster for Israel, then you are a fool Dogsmilk.....and by the way, there are many seriously concerned Jews saying exactly the same thing.

By the way Dogsmilk, you can try and paint me as a Nazi all you like but, whatever you think, you're way off the mark. After all, as a Christian, I know that my faith was initially brought to life by Jews and my church was started by Jews. My personal hero is a Jewish convert to Christianity who saved my life in a way I cannot describe on this forum but I've described him here:

"Lines on the death of Martin Israel"

www.myspace.com/thedimblebys

My comments are not about race, they are essentially about a matter of the simplest principle.

Freemasons and certain Talmudists (the Zionist tendency)have allegiance to each other (there are sometimes oaths involved) but regard other humans (that's us folks) as cattle to be treated as they think fit. It is written into their books and their ceremonies.

The priciple that opposes this is to love one's neighbour as oneself.......that is, all one's neighbours not just your own special interest group.

Theirs is the religion of the oligarch globalists. The outcome of this wicked philosophy is what we see all around us....continual war, financial manipulation, rampant criminality........diversity and anti-racism for us......absolute coherence and mutual loyalty for them.



To what are you loyal Dogsmilk?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, just to get your view into perspective kbo;
you're not a Nazi and you most certainly don't agree with everything Herr Hilter said .... but when it comes to the destruction of International Jewry you're right up there with him.
I see.
You really are quite blinkered, aren't you?

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This is a 9/11 Truth forum. We believe 9/11 was a crime by these parties against humanity. The criminals are REAL PEOPLE with high intelligence and a real agenda to impose globalism on the whole world.....under their control.


Yes, thank you for reminding me about that. Despite Tony keeping an eye on it this forum seems to have become infested with racists, closet-racists, fans of Hitler and all manner of unsavoury garbage. It needs a real, good clean-out.

Shall we start with a little Party to which everyone is welcome? Hmm, now who was it that was really responsible for putting Mr Hilter into power after all? Grossbritannien!

In the words of the song:

"Where oh where was he? Where could that man be? We looked around and then we found the man for you and me!"


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I would say the German people were responsible for that in an election.

Who would you say? Prescott Bush?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kbo234 wrote:
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Am I the only one who is getting mad about this ultra-sinister, calculating, degenerate tripe?


No, but you're one of very few prepared and brave enough to risk speaking the (your) obvious truth.

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Please don't try and tell me that the people who are prepared to invade Iraq and murder a mllion+ innocent people (who were and remain no threat to us at all) give a sh*t about my health and safety.......or yours.......or the children who need to be advised how to appropriately respond to the taste of food they can't stand.


Only the deluded or dishonest would try to tell you that. Similarly, they are not out to make the world a nicer place with the mass psychological conditioning that is "anti-racism".

"ultra-sinister, calculating"

Absolutely. Because no matter how sympathetic one is to the SUPPOSED ideals behind it, it is undeniable that there has been a massive shift in "the public mind" on matters of race and "racism".

This hasn't "just happened". Unless you believe that the whole country en masse looked into their hearts and decided to be nice all of a sudden (think of what has changed within a generation), it is clear that this was and is being engineered. And it is NOT being done to make the world a better place. The elite don't undertake mass social engineering for our benefit, but for theirs.

It would be useful if those who are criticising kbo234's post would define exactly what they mean by "racist". In the meantime:

"The white race is the cancer of human history." - Susan Sontag (Jewish)
"Abolish the white race" - Noel Ignatiev (Jewish)

Who are the real "race haters"?

"Sontag later offered an ironic apology for the remark, saying....
...it was insensitive to cancer victims." Nice.

I'll leave others to spin what Ignatiev said and meant.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew
"A Jew ... is a member of the Jewish people, an ethnoreligious group..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious
"The term Ethnoreligious refers to a group or groups of people unified by a common religious culture but who display the distinct characteristics of an ethnic group..."

So that's ok then... but hang on...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christian
"White Christian is a euphemism, used usually in a self-referential sense by extremist groups..."

Thanks Wikipedia!!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would say the German people were responsible for that in an election.

Who would you say? Prescott Bush?


Prescott Bush, Montagu Norman (Governor of the Bank of England) and the Anglo-American fraternities that conspired to bring about two world wars, not just Hitler. Read Preparata's Conjuring Hitler.

As a matter of interest Hitler's Nazis never got more than 37% of the German vote at the height of their popularity. And this during the most harrowing years of a Weimar Republic doomed from its very beginnings at Versailles.

Going back to the song, "Where oh where was he? Where could that man be? We (the Anglo-American frats) looked around and then we found the man for you and me!"

Read about the Veblenian Prophecy in the above book and you will understand how Hitler arose.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simplesimon wrote:
"The white race is the cancer of human history." - Susan Sontag (Jewish)
"Abolish the white race" - Noel Ignatiev (Jewish)

Who are the real "race haters"?

"Sontag later offered an ironic apology for the remark, saying....
...it was insensitive to cancer victims." Nice.

I'll leave others to spin what Ignatiev said and meant.

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Leaving aside your own predictable spin that they're both speaking from a solely "Jewish" perspective on us "goy", there's always the possibility that they might have been speaking from a "white" perspective.

After all, with the history of Europe soaked in centuries of bloodshed in our Hundred Year Wars, and Thirty Year Wars and the myriad other instances of non-stop technologically driven mass butchery that was only (partially) re-directed three hundred years ago into the establishment of imperialism and colonialism on a global scale by all those White Caucasian Powers That Could, they may be making a - somewhat rhetorical - point that would be well heeded.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So, just to get your view into perspective kbo;
you're not a Nazi and you most certainly don't agree with everything Herr Hilter said .... but when it comes to the destruction of International Jewry you're right up there with him.
I see.
You really are quite blinkered, aren't you?


And you're not?

I'm not against destroying any people but if a faith is wrong and antipathetic to the common good then surely all people should expose and oppose it. Christ condemned this faith. Like Freemasonry its members are committed to acting in their own group's interests against the common good if necessary. This is the essence of criminal thinking.....is it or is it not?

It is not about hating Jews or white Europeans because of their oligarchs. It is about not being afraid to point out the difference between good principle and bad principle.

These organisations and their 'philosophy' are bad for the rest of us.

Call me a Nazi and an 'anti-semite' all you want.

If you think this issue doesn't matter or shouldn't be raised I am frankly puzzled.

How do you ever expect to undo the PTB is you never think about what it is that makes them act in such a wicked manner?
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We are, slowly and surely being dragged towards the precipice of another world war. An attack on Iran will inevitably cause a global conflict.

Do you agree or not that it is Israel more than any other visible party that is trying to force forward this evil agenda?


Not really - I don't see why Israel wants a world war - it's unlikely to do them much good. I think a variety of groups pushing their own agendas will make decisions that affect all of us until it blows up in all our faces.

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By saying that there is no 'evil' out there, that it is just about the alpha male being the alpha male you are denying that the wickedness is organised and emanates from individual humans who should be identified, exposed and opposed. By trying to abstract the problems you are, in practice, supporting these criminals.


"Evil" - though used in everyday parlance with an accepted general meaning - is a fairly abstract word. When I discover a cast iron meta-ethic that provides a suitably objective criteria I'll let you know. You're alright - you've got God who has the power to provide an objective morality.
It is you who are abstracting the world to some Hollywood style Manichean struggle with good guys vs bad guys.
Sure wicked people should be exposed, but there's plenty more to take their place. Most of whom won't appear wicked until they have a bit of power in their hands. Unless we learn to act in a civilised non-hierarchical manner as a collective, this nightmare will persist.

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The usury through which we are all now more or less enslaved is very much a created culture. It was outlawed and resisted for centuries. It was forbidden by the Christian churches. It is still forbidden by Islam. Christ drove the moneylenders from the temple to protect the Jewish people of his day from these fiends (and it is the only time in the gospels that he behaved in such an aggressive manner) because he recognised that which we seem to have forgotten....


Jews didn't invent usury but did provide a handy loophole for those constrained by Christian prohibition and thus served a valuable social function as well as being a a handy scapegoat. After all, it's not like Jewish usury would ever have been permitted in Christian countries if they didn't like it in a world where crusaders could happily stop off for a warm up pogrom on their way to the Holy land. Subsequently, Christians leaped in when they had the chance, notably Quakers who gave us Lloyds and Barclays to name two. Not that anyone sane would have anything against Quakers on the basis they have a big presence in the evolution of the usurious trade of British banking.
I don't need to paint you as a Nazi - you're doing just fine on your own by falling into yet another stereotype of the scheming Jewish banker undermining the hapless noble Christians.
If you ask me, money is a * idea all round. Still, the world revolves around capitalism which badly needs usury. I'm sure you can tell me how that was invented by Jews.

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This is a 9/11 Truth forum. We believe 9/11 was a crime by these parties against humanity. The criminals are REAL PEOPLE with high intelligence and a real agenda to impose globalism on the whole world.....under their control.


Globalism is already here in the form of the multinational corporation. You can distract yourself with imported theories about 'one world government' certain nationalist Americans are obsessed with if you like.

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.....and on the Jewish thing.....the only thing that seems to excite you.....if you do not recognise that the hatred that Israel is creating for itself in the Middle-East (and now elsewhere) can only, in the end, mean utter disaster for Israel, then you are a fool Dogsmilk.....and by the way, there are many seriously concerned Jews saying exactly the same thing.


You appear to think I'm some kind of big fan of Israel. I'm not. I just don't think the world revolves around it.

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diversity and anti-racism for us......absolute coherence and mutual loyalty for them.


What does this mean? You have still not answered in what way being anti-racist is somehow "Zionist".

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Freemasons and certain Talmudists (the Zionist tendency)have allegiance to each other (there are sometimes oaths involved) but regard other humans (that's us folks) as cattle to be treated as they think fit. It is written into their books and their ceremonies.


So rather than your previous blanket assertion that everyone who follows the Talmud sees the rest of us as being cattle, now it's only certain Talmudists. Fair enough, I'm sure some do in the same way some Christians think us heathens are damned to hell, but I'm intrigued to know by what criteria you can accurately ascertain which Jews who regard the Talmud as a holy book think this way and which don't.

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To what are you loyal Dogsmilk?


Predominantly myself, my partner, my family, my friends and my cats.

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Absolutely. Because no matter how sympathetic one is to the SUPPOSED ideals behind it, it is undeniable that there has been a massive shift in "the public mind" on matters of race and "racism".

This hasn't "just happened". Unless you believe that the whole country en masse looked into their hearts and decided to be nice all of a sudden (think of what has changed within a generation), it is clear that this was and is being engineered. And it is NOT being done to make the world a better place. The elite don't undertake mass social engineering for our benefit, but for theirs.


Once upon a time, people of a darker skin colour than Caucasians got fed up with being treated as second class citizens and so they began a long struggle to make people understand that making judgements on the basis of arbitrary distinctions like skin pigmentation was foolish and imbecilic. This took a long time and frequently involved coming into conflict with the authorities. Similarly, people who are gay or disabled or even just female or of a particular religion had to fight a similar struggle. And these people were sometimes helped by people who didn't share their 'difference' but had the intelligence and compassion to realise they way they were treated was out of order. Even regular poor people fought for things like paid holidays, health and safety at work, shorter working days, sick leave and reasonable wages. Unfortunately these things are apt to be eroded because people forget how hard they were fought for and people whose brain has been scooped out and replaced with lime jelly think that the grass roots struggle fought to achieve various rights was 'engineered'.


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"The white race is the cancer of human history." - Susan Sontag (Jewish)
"Abolish the white race" - Noel Ignatiev (Jewish)

Who are the real "race haters"?

"Sontag later offered an ironic apology for the remark, saying....
...it was insensitive to cancer victims." Nice.


So by putting forward two quotes from Jewish people criticising the 'white race', genius boy asks “who are the real race haters”, obviously meaning Jews.
So perhaps if I dug up some quotes going on about “white devils” or how the white race was invented by a mad scientist called Yacub according to the NOI – e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub
this indicates Afro-Carribeans are the 'real race haters' right?
Or some quotes from Aryan Nations about n*gger this and n*gger that shows whites to be the 'real race haters' too. In fact – and stay with me here sparky, I know those cogs are spinning madly – it might be the case we could use your 'methodology' to show we're all the 'real race haters'. Fancy that!

As it is, no grouping is immune from displaying prejudice against other groups – you can get racist Jewish homosexuals and anti-semitic black homophobes. Which is why – and keep that clockwork ticking for a moment longer, I know it hurts – it is important for us to keep fighting irrational expressions of prejudice, wherever they come from, particularly as the state will play on these if it is prudent to do so at the time. But otherwise, many people have suffered and died due to the irrational prejudice of others.

I simply cannot believe people on this form are trying to make out people being against racism is somehow engineered by 'the elite' (Jews obviously). Maybe you saw a plotline in eastenders that was against racism to supplement your bizarre theory expressed elsewhere that the PTB are promoting transition towns by 'pushing them' in the archers, I dunno, but kbo should know better.

Tell me, o wise one, should we all be racists now?

As an aside Chek makes an obvious point, and to add to that, the fact Sontag made her famous content in the context of the Vietnam war when johnny foreigner gooks were being massacred in droves as their country was invaded in a war run by white men (but often fought by poor black men as well as poor white men) may have something to do with it. I realise Vietnam wasn't about anything Jewish, so you're probably not interested in it.

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"A Jew ... is a member of the Jewish people, an ethnoreligious group..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious
"The term Ethnoreligious refers to a group or groups of people unified by a common religious culture but who display the distinct characteristics of an ethnic group..."

So that's ok then... but hang on...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christian
"White Christian is a euphemism, used usually in a self-referential sense by extremist groups..."

Thanks Wikipedia!!


*groan*

Ok Sparkatron, you might find this one tricky.

In the United States, there are numerous groups that attach “white christian” to themselves to fight for a “white christian America” - devoid of n*ggers and the like - in the US particularly the term has developed a sense in common parlance as a consequence of how it has been used by these groups. If you look up white, caucasion, christian, you get standard descriptions rather than a stub leading you to other articles on the likes of the KKK. It is your white nationalist friends who have engineered the generally agreed implication of that term. No-one with any kind of functioning cerebral cortex would think wikipedia is trying to indicate people who are white and who are also christians are all racists. I simply can't believe I've had to explain that to someone.
You may be into this white nationalism stuff – from your posts it certainly seems that way – but don't think because it's not popular it's somehow right.
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Jews didn't invent usury but did provide a handy loophole for those constrained by Christian prohibition and thus served a valuable social function as well as being a a handy scapegoat. After all, it's not like Jewish usury would ever have been permitted in Christian countries if they didn't like it in a world where crusaders could happily stop off for a warm up pogrom on their way to the Holy land. Subsequently, Christians leaped in when they had the chance, notably Quakers who gave us Lloyds and Barclays to name two. Not that anyone sane would have anything against Quakers on the basis they have a big presence in the evolution of the usurious trade of British banking.

I don't need to paint you as a Nazi - you're doing just fine on your own by falling into yet another stereotype of the scheming Jewish banker undermining the hapless noble Christians.

If you ask me, money is a * idea all round. Still, the world revolves around capitalism which badly needs usury. I'm sure you can tell me how that was invented by Jews.


Well spoken, Dogsmilk. The Christians always try to project their nastiness onto others. Historically they have used the Jews to do their dirty work on a grand scale. Then when it suits them they throw up their arms saying, No, No, it's not our fault, blame the Jews! And you have another pogrom on your hands.

You'd think people would learn in time. Reading a lot of the stuff here it's clear that that remains a forlorn hope.

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Unfortunately these things are apt to be eroded because people forget how hard they were fought for and people whose brain has been scooped out and replaced with lime jelly think that the grass roots struggle fought to achieve various rights was 'engineered'.


Yes, it seems that certain folk are so paranoid about life that they see a conspiracy at every turn. The huge disservice they perform with their half-baked ideas, however, affect all those brave people who dared to struggle against the injustice of their rulers. They insult our being.

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I simply cannot believe people on this form are trying to make out people being against racism is somehow engineered by 'the elite' (Jews obviously). Maybe you saw a plotline in eastenders that was against racism to supplement your bizarre theory


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll leave others to spin what Ignatiev said and meant.


Heh heh, I'm not familiar with Ignatiev, but I wondered if Sparky saying this was a cunning way of saying he knows he's taken it out of context, but is trying to pre-empt this by trying to suggest any rebuttal is 'spin'.

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Ignatiev's academic views of race are not necessarily as controversial as his statements about the abolition of the white race, by which he means the abolition of white privilege and race identity. Ignatiev's web site and publication Race Traitor, display the motto "treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity".
In an interview with Danny Postel on in 1996, Ignatiev stated:
“ Either the fascists are going to lead people into a poor white man's revolution, which would open the doors to horrors beyond anything that we've seen--from which I do not exclude Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. Or these people are going to say: To hell with this. We do not wish to be white. We wish to recognize that other people, those fighting hardest against the injustices of this society, the most extreme victims of it--the black youth--who are doing their best to resist what American society is doing to them: therein lie our closest potential allies. In other words, we are not going to be white anymore. We're going to take a chance on being free. ”


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Ignatiev's parents were Jewish immigrants from Russia. He attended the University of Pennsylvania but dropped out after three years. He worked in a steel mill in Chicago and in factories manufacturing farm equipment and electrical parts for two decades. Ignatiev was a Marxist activist and helped organize strikes and protests by the predominantly black work force at the steel mill. He was laid off from the steel mill in 1984, a year after he was arrested on charges of throwing a paint bomb at a strike-breaker's car.[1]


Blimey - evil Jewish Marxist working with the Blacks. Presumably at the behest of the NWO - better to just keep those negroes and goddam Jews in their place, eh Sparky?

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Ignatiev vocally objected to the placement of a toaster in the Dunster House dining hall designated for kosher use only, and demanded that it be removed or paid for by private funds. In a subsequent letter to the Harvard student newspaper, the Harvard Crimson, Ignatiev stated that "I regard anti-Semitism, like all forms of religious, ethnic and racial bigotry, as a crime against humanity and whoever calls me an anti-Semite will face a libel suit.


Intriguing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Ignatiev#The_.22New_Abolition.22_and _.22White_Race.22

Now it seems like this basic wiki coverage suggests that it would probably be a good idea to look at his work beyond culling a quote a that says what you want it to and understand where he's coming from in terms of his views on the 'white race'. But no. "I have a quote that suggests Jews can be racists which somehow justifies my own racism" seems to be the order of the day for the sparkster. Newsflash brainiac - it's not 'spin' to try to understand what somebody actually means (whether you agree or disagree with it), even if it doesn't fit your propaganda line.

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Views of race
Ignatiev is part of a a wide consensus of social scientists of the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries who have joined biologists in identifying race as a social construct and not a scientific reality; what is unusual is the distance he takes this assertion, and his manner of asserting it. In his study of Irish immigrants in the nineteenth-century United States, Ignatiev recounts the Irish triumph over nativism and shows how that triumph marked the incorporation of the Irish into the dominant group of American society. Ignatiev asserts that the Irish were not initially accepted by native-born Americans of Anglo-Saxon descent as white. He claims that only through their own violence against free blacks and support of slavery did the Irish gain acceptance as white. Ignatiev and other scholars of the field define whiteness as the access to white privilege, which according to Ignatiev gains people perceived to have "white" skin admission to certain neighborhoods, schools, and jobs. In the nineteenth century it was strongly associated with political power, especially suffrage.

Ignatiev states that attempts to give race a biological foundation have only led to absurdities, the most common is the belief that a white woman could give birth to a black child, but a black woman could never give birth to a white child. Ignatiev asserts, then, that the only logical explanation for this notion is that people are members of different racial categories because society assigns people to these categories.


http://yawiki.org/proc/Noel_Ignatiev

Not sure I'd subscribe to his position (though I agree with the absurdity of biological foundation of race stuff) but he looks interesting and perhaps thought provoking. Thanks for introducing me to him, Sparky

Here's his website.

http://racetraitor.org/naindex.html
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Leaving aside your own predictable spin that they're both speaking from a solely "Jewish" perspective on us "goy", there's always the possibility that they might have been speaking from a "white" perspective.


"You are not Whites--either symbolically or literally--as anyone knows who goes to Israel." - Professor Leonard Fein at speech at 27th biennial congress of the Jewish Board of Deputies in Johannesburg, May 15, 1972.

I got that from "Quotes About Jews by Jews" at http://www.libreopinion.com/members/standarteslc/jewishquestion07.html

Some interesting stuff there. Like:

"The world revolution which we will experience will be exclusively our affair and will rest in our hands. This revolution will tighten the Jewish domination over all other people." - Le Peuple Juif, February 8, 1919. "The governments of the peoples included in this world republic, with the aid of the victorious proletariat, all will fall without difficulty into Jewish hands. Private property will then be strangled by the Jewish directors, who will administer the state patrimony everywhere. Thus the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that is, the promise that the Jews, at the arrival of the Messiah, will possess the key to the wealth of all the peoples of the earth." - Baruch Levy, in a letter to Karl Marx, published in the Rothschild controlled La Revue de Paris, June 1, 1928.

and

"We Jews have spoiled the blood of all the races of Europe. Taken as a whole, everything is Jewdified. Our ideas animate everything. Our spirit reigns over the world. We are the Lords." - Dr. Kurt Munzer, The Way to Zion.

and

"In everything, we are destroyers--even in the instruments of destruction to which we turn for relief...We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands." - Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kbo - ... states

"We are, slowly and surely being dragged towards the precipice of another world war. An attack on Iran will inevitably cause a global conflict.

Do you agree or not that it is Israel more than any other visible party that is trying to force forward this evil agenda?"

Dogsmilk .....states

Not really - I don't see why Israel wants a world war - it's unlikely to do them much good. I think a variety of groups pushing their own agendas will make decisions that affect all of us until it blows up in all our faces. ...

A tad economical with the truth.....ehh ......+ even more.....

To what are you loyal Dogsmilk?

"Predominantly myself, my partner, my family, my friends and my cats."

Time for our denile merchant to chill listening to Gilad Atzmon .....
or reading from the following:

http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/07/04/united-by-a-bulldozer-and-i-t hink-to-myself-by-gilad-atzmon/
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparky wrote:
"You are not Whites--either symbolically or literally--as anyone knows who goes to Israel." - Professor Leonard Fein at speech at 27th biennial congress of the Jewish Board of Deputies in Johannesburg, May 15, 1972.


Now Sparky, time for another lesson in how to think like a rational human being.
If Jew A says that Jews are "not whites", this is indicative of a personal opinion which may or may not be adopted by others either personally or emblematic of a broader ideological or religious statement. If I could be remotely arsed, I daresay I could find Jews saying things that contradict this statememt - indeed, I think your Mr Ignatiev may have a different position - Though given you appear to think that if a Jew says something, that suddenly becomes what 'the Jews' think, the resulting contradiction would probably make your head explode.

Disturbingly, there seems to be this train of thought that thinks if you list lots of things Jews said, that 'shows what they think'.
I wonder if got together a bunch of quotes from white people saying how superior the white race is, people would accept this is how 'the whites' tend to think. It seems very inconsistent if this were magically not the case in this instance. Indeed, this determination to compile "Jews saying bad things in history" seems to me far more directly indicative of the psychological make-up of the compiler than any Jews, in the same way a "blacks saying things that prove they're uncivilised haters of white people' would.

What's particularly striking is you seem to feel that just culling quotes off websites - from people I daresay you're otherwise unfamiliar with - somehow gives you a picture of what teh jooos are like. This is tragic both in terms of a determination to foster a negative perception of a specific minority group and the infant school methodology employed to achieve this.

Most brain meltingly of all, it appears that whereas good old fashioned Aryan stock can be communists, fascists, Christian fundamentalists, white supremacists, liberals etc etc etc - and subscribe to ideologies that conflict with each other, teh joooos when they do so are inevitably planning some grand scheme which they're all working together to achieve because they fundamentally all think alike.

Btw - did Baruch Levy actually exist? Maybe you can tell me more about him, though you do appear to be ignoring me at the moment.

Blackbear - If at some point you have something coherent to say about anything, please do let me know. I won't hold my breath.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JERUSALEM RABBIS ENDORSE RACISM AS KOSHER

In order for a restaurant or coffee shop to be certified as kosher in Israel, the owner has to pay a set monthly fee to the City’s Rabbinical Office. They then receive a certificate of kashrut that is prominently displayed. Along with the certificate, they also get the ’services’ of a person who pops in unannounced to make sure all is being done according to Jewish Law. Fine….. no problem there…

BUT…. when they start digging up archaic laws written by racist rabbis centuries ago problems might arise.

Today it happened. The Jerusalem office in charge of Kashrut decided to enforce the following….

Foods prohibited by Rabbinic law independent of any direct Biblical basis
Certain foods were prohibited because Rabbis, as the spiritual guardians of the Jewish Community, felt that eating these foods may be harmful or affect the spiritual purity of the Jewish people, not because of any direct problem with eating that food.

Among these foods are: Bishul Akum - non-Jewish cooking:
One may not eat food cooked by a non-Jew. Rabbis feared that this may precipitate an inappropriately close personal relationship between Jew and non-Jew.

Pas Akum - non-Jewish bread:
Similarly, Rabbis prohibited eating bread baked by a non-Jew.

http://www.ahavat-israel.com/torat/treif.php

‘May precipitate an inappropriately close personal relationship between Jew and non-Jew.’ HEAVEN FORBID!!!!! This might lead to friendships and God forbid to peace itself…..

The ‘worst’ possible scenario to these people can be read in the following….

Israel warns girls not to “sleep with enemy”
Israel’s Haaretz TV has a story about a new program in one Israeli city that warns Jewish girls not to date Israeli Bedouin boys.

The southern Israeli city is pushing the program in schools by using a video called “Sleeping with the Enemy.”



The Haaretz video shows a Kiryat Gat city representative warning girls not to take part in dating Bedouin boys - something he calls “abnormal...........

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/

"Israel has said a strike on Iran will be "unavoidable" if the Islamic regime continues to press ahead with alleged plans for building an atom-bomb." (London Daily Telegraph, 6/11/2008)

Neocons Pushed Us into War with Iraq and Now with Iran!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbxD55LnlGg&feature=PlayList&p=71316451 BEDD9F8F&index=0&playnext=1


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this last post directed at me - in which case I'd ask for clarification about what exactly it is you're arguing - or is it just one of your usual "randomly post stuff about Israel on a thread" moments?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kbo234 wrote

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......diversity and anti-racism for us......absolute coherence and mutual loyalty for them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15xbtK7r-SA

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simplesimon wrote:
"You are not Whites--either symbolically or literally--as anyone knows who goes to Israel." - Professor Leonard Fein at speech at 27th biennial congress of the Jewish Board of Deputies in Johannesburg, May 15, 1972.

I got that from "Quotes About Jews by Jews" at http://www.libreopinion.com/members/standarteslc/jewishquestion07.html

Some interesting stuff there. Like:

"The world revolution which we will experience will be exclusively our affair and will rest in our hands. This revolution will tighten the Jewish domination over all other people." - Le Peuple Juif, February 8, 1919. "The governments of the peoples included in this world republic, with the aid of the victorious proletariat, all will fall without difficulty into Jewish hands. Private property will then be strangled by the Jewish directors, who will administer the state patrimony everywhere. Thus the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that is, the promise that the Jews, at the arrival of the Messiah, will possess the key to the wealth of all the peoples of the earth." - Baruch Levy, in a letter to Karl Marx, published in the Rothschild controlled La Revue de Paris, June 1, 1928.

and

"We Jews have spoiled the blood of all the races of Europe. Taken as a whole, everything is Jewdified. Our ideas animate everything. Our spirit reigns over the world. We are the Lords." - Dr. Kurt Munzer, The Way to Zion.

and

"In everything, we are destroyers--even in the instruments of destruction to which we turn for relief...We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands." - Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles


"The Jewish Question??? LOLOLOL
The only thing missing from that site are some stiff-arsed eagle motifs implied by the font.

As for the two final quotes, well suffice to say that they make more sense if the speaker is imagined hanging onto a lamp post waving a three-quarter empty bottle of whiskey as they rail impotently at passers-by.

Further, one of your gruppen a short while ago posted a similar quote-mined page of the words of some Great and Good Top White Men about the apparently deserved hatefulness of de joos.

After working through about half of it, I had the similar sensation then as now that reality hadn't been the main informer of the opinions expressed.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the Munzer one is a novel. This seems to inevitably entail the words are being spoken by a character. I know not in what sense; context, however, is irrelevant to the online "Jewish quote" cottage industry. Sparky neither knows nor cares nor will ever read his 'sources'. He cares not for such frippery.

He's off now, sagely proving to us that it's one rule for them and another for us with his youtube clip as if no Asian family ever forbade their daughter from marrying a kafir or no white father was horrified at the thought his daughter was seeing one of them darkies. Which - funnily enough - seems to be exactly the way Herr Sparky would like it to be.

Interestingly, a source for the endlessly mined Munzer quote (have you noticed if you google this stuff you get page after page of sites breathlessly proclaiming the exact same quote, but no-one who seems remotely familiar with the actual text or what it's about?) seems to be some rather unsavoury Nazi propaganda:

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At the conclusion of this chapter, I wish to let the Jew Kurt Münzer speak about his race. In his first novel "The Way to Zion," published in 1910, the Jew Kurt Münzer, but rather like Walter Rathenau in his "Hear, O Israel," holds up a Jewish mirror to the Jews and shows them completely without any masks. He writes: "Not only we Jews are a degenerate, dried out, used up culture. All of the races of Europe are as well. Perhaps we have infected them? Ruined their blood? Judified everything? Our thinking is in everything living, our spirit rules the world. We are the lords, for what has power today is our spiritual child. One may hate us, persecute us. Our enemies may triumph over our physical weakness. We can no longer be gotten rid of. We have conquered the races, defiled them, broken their power, made everything rotten, foul, and decayed with our stale culture. Our spirit is no longer to be exterminated."

The Jew Münzer was wrong in his superiority complex, since only 30 years later the Jew has been exterminated in Germany and Europe.

We National Socialists have exterminated the Jewish spirit and the Jews themselves in Germany. We will not cease this struggle until the final judgment has been spoken against the Jews. Judah must die! Anti-Semitism will triumph throughout the world. The central Jewish newspaper, the "Jewish Chronicle," writes: "Anti-Semitism is Germany's secret weapon, for Germany has pursued it consistently, making it a universal problem that will occupy all peoples."


http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/pesthauch.htm

So Christmas has come early to Sparkytown as he can hoover up this Nazi drivel and find some more random quotes to impress the neurologically challenged.
In fact, given the similarity of styles in a quotemineathon stylee, I think we may have found Sparky's mentor.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Official PA paper: Israel poisoning prisoners

Roee Nahmias, YNetnews

In bid to increase Palestinian public pressure, official newspaper for Palestinian Authority reports of 'medical experiments' being conducted by Israel on Arab, Palestinian prisoners. 'The Israeli occupation is killing prisoners through slow deaths,' claims director general of prisoner affairs center at Al-Quds University

Incitement in the Palestinian media is far from rare, but with Israel on the cusp of a prisoner exchange deal with Hizbullah and the fate of a similar deal for Palestinian prisoners still far from being finalized – the Palestinian Authority's official newspaper is trying to ratchet up the pressure.

In a series of reports published in the 'al-Hayat al-Jadida' newspaper Israel is accused of poisoning Palestinian prisoners in its custody and conducting "medical experiments' on them.

In a special report issued on Monday by 'Palestinian Media Watch,' an Israeli institute that monitors Palestinian news outlets, excerpts from recent articles published in the paper – which is under the authority of PA President Mahmoud Abbas – which allege the prisoners are being poisoned.

"The occupation forces continue to conduct medical experiments on Palestinian and Arab prisoners in their facilities, this goes against all international treaties and conventions. And this is not limited merely to a policy of medical neglect, but violations that include using prisoners as trial subjects for medication," the paper wrote three days ago.

"Many of the male and female prisoners were given injections from needles they had never seen before, that led to permanent hair loss and facial hair loss. There are prisoners who have lost their sight and their sense, those who have lost their sanity and those whose mental condition is increasingly deteriorating, there are prisoners who have become barren and cannot reproduce," the article said.

'A slow death in prison'

In a report from Sunday the paper accused Israel of killing Palestinian prisoners. The report quotes the director-general of the 'Abu-Jihad Center for Political Prisoners' Affairs' at the Al-Quds University in east Jerusalem, Fahed Abu Al-Haj, as saying that "the Israeli occupation is wiping out prisoners through slow deaths."

Al-Haj asserts that 226 prisoners have "died as martyrs" in Israeli prisons.

The paper goes on to report that Knesset Speaker Dalia Itzik, while serving as chairperson of the Science and Technology Committee "discovered in July 1997 that there were thousands of dangerous experiments being conducted every year on Palestinian and Arab prisoners. She said at the time that her office had thousands of permits from the Israeli Health Ministry given to the big Israeli pharmaceutical companies, allowing them to carry out trials on Arab and Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails."

Mrs. Itzik's office responded that she had never said any of the statements attributed to her. "This is nothing but cheap propaganda and things taken out of context to validate false theories," the speaker's office said.

'Experiments – just like the Nazis'

It should be noted that this is not the first time such allegations have been made. Similar claims have appeared in the Palestinian media throughout the years and comparisons have frequently been drawn between the reports and Nazi medical experiments.

Palestinian Media Watch says a report from September of last year says: "We have many examples of the experiments conducted by the Nazis, but we will bring one example that is very similar to the Israeli experiments, and that is where poison was injected into the prisoners food in order to study how it affects humans and then conduct autopsies on those who die as a result.

The monitoring institute says that the purpose of the current round of reports is to stir Palestinian public opinion ahead of the imminent prisoner exchange agreement.

At the request of the institute, the Health Ministry addressed the claims: "There have not been, nor are there currently, any experiments being conducted on inmates in prisoners, nor have any been authorized."

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m45527&hd=&size=1&l=e



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