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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: 9/11, Deep State Violence and the Hope of Internet Politics |
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9/11, Deep State Violence and the Hope of Internet Politics
by Peter Dale Scott
June 11, 2008
The Deep State and 9/11
The unthinkable – that elements inside the state would conspire with criminals to kill innocent civilians – has become not only thinkable but commonplace in the last century. A seminal example was in French Algeria, where dissident elements of the French armed forces, resisting General de Gaulle’s plans for Algerian independence, organized as the Secret Army Organization and bombed civilians indiscriminately, with targets including hospitals and schools. Critics like Alexander Litvinenko, who was subsequently murdered in London in November 2006, have charged that the 1999 bombings of apartment buildings around Moscow, attributed to Chechen separatists, were in fact the work of the Russian secret service (FSB).
Similar attacks in Turkey have given rise to the notion there of an extra-legal "deep state" – a combination of forces, ranging from former members of the CIA-organized Gladio organization, to "a vast matrix of security and intelligence officials, ultranationalist members of the Turkish underworld and renegade former members of the [Kurdish separatist] PKK." The deep state, financed in part by Turkey’s substantial heroin traffic, has been accused of killing thousands of civilians, in incidents such as the lethal bomb attack in November 2005 on a bookshop in Semdinli. This attack, initially attributed to the Kurdish separatist PKK, turned out to have been committed by members of Turkey's paramilitary police intelligence service, together with a former PKK member turned informer. On April 23, 2008, the former Interior Minister Mehmet Agar was ordered to stand trial for his role in this dirty war during the 1990s.
In my book The Road to 9/11, I have argued that there has existed, at least since World War Two if not earlier, an analogous American deep state, also combining intelligence officials with elements from the drug-trafficking underworld. I also pointed to recent decades of collaboration between the U.S. deep state and al-Qaeda, a terrorist underworld whose drug-trafficking activities have been played down in the 9/11 Commission Report and the mainstream U.S. media.
Still to be explained is the suppressed anomalous fact that al-Qaeda’s top trainer on airplane hijackings, Ali Mohamed, was simultaneously a double-agent reporting to the FBI, and almost certainly still maintained a connection to the CIA which had used him as an agent and helped bring him to this country in the 1980s. It is not disputed that Ali Mohamed organized the Embassy bombing in Kenya; and that he did so after the RCMP, who had detained him in Vancouver in the presence of another known terrorist, released Mohamed on instructions from the FBI.
From this historic background of collaboration, I would offer a hypothesis for further investigation: that the American deep state is somehow implicated with al-Qaeda in the atrocity of 9/11; and that this helps explain the conspicuous involvement of the CIA and other U.S. agencies in the ensuing cover-up...
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9289
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acrobat74 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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A great article, thanks.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Scott seems to shy away from the notion of a planned creation of opposition but rather talks about mindsets and world views that, given the right circumstances, will produce 'deep' events.
I doubt that he is correct on this one.
For example, he talks in a recent Cooperative Research interview about the fear of US policy makers after WWII that the Soviets were out to get them.
Within this context, and given their imperialist mindsets, these policy makers then went on to bring about 'deep' events.
I sense a serious perspective issue here.
Didn't the Americans & the Soviets know that Ford built the Gorki plant in Russia that then supplied the North Vietnamese with Gaz military trucks during the Vietnam war?
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/chapter_02.htm
Didn't the Americans & the Soviets know that the latter were supplied with the MIRV technology for ballistic missiles by the former?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/best_enemy_moneybuy.pdf
Hence, why can't Scott see that the opposition to US hegemony, and thus any related 'deep' events', are always engineered? _________________ Summary of 9/11 scepticism: http://tinyurl.com/27ngaw6 and www.911summary.com
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Alexander Moderate Poster
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QuitTheirClogs Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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BBC reporting on Turkey’s “Deep State”
4 February 2008: 'Deep state plot' grips Turkey
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7225889.stm
It is a story that has set Turkey abuzz with rumour and speculation. At its heart is an ultra-nationalist gang known as Ergenekon, exposed when 33 of its alleged members were seized in a police raid in late January.
A large cache of hand grenades and explosives was discovered; then and a number of former military personnel detained. ...this operation has been portrayed as a blow against the "deep state" ... It is a term widely used to describe renegade members of the security forces said to act outside the law in what they judge to be Turkey's best interests.
The phenomenon, much-discussed but never proven, is said to stretch back to Cold War times, when illicit paramilitary gangs were supposedly set up in collaboration with Western intelligence agencies to prevent the spread of communism.
14 July 2008: Turkey charges 86 for 'coup plot'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7504900.stm
A top Turkish prosecutor has brought charges against 86 people allegedly involved in a coup plot. Aykut Cengiz Engin said those charged included leading figures from the army, business and the secular press. The charges follow speculation about a shadowy group of hardline nationalists determined to act in what they see as defence of Turkey's secular values.
They are accused of plotting to create chaos in Turkey, provoking secularist anger and a military coup that would topple the government. The indictment referred to the killing of a judge in a 2006 armed attack on a court, and the bombing of a secularist newspaper. _________________ Simon - http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
David Ray Griffin - 9/11: the Myth & the Reality
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-275577066688213413 |
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Quote: | From this historic background of collaboration, I would offer a hypothesis for further investigation: that the American deep state is somehow implicated with al-Qaeda in the atrocity of 9/11; and that this helps explain the conspicuous involvement of the CIA and other U.S. agencies in the ensuing cover-up...
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what is the evidence that 'al qaeda' was involved in 9/11? |
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