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blackbear Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: Al Qaeda training New York Muslim paramilitary |
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Or...IDF vets train NY Jewish paramilitaries
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFu ll&cid=1215331093729
Yonatan Stern, the "Sgan Mefaked Hakita" (deputy squad commander) of Kitat Konenut New York, insists his "paramilitary emergency armed response team" is no "group of vigilantes or a JDL [Jewish Defense League]."
"The goal of the organization is to have a competent and professional group of armed volunteers ready to respond to a threat at a moment's notice in any area where Jews reside," explains the Israeli combat veteran.
"We do not carry out demonstrations or political activity of any kind as we have no political agenda. Our agenda is to protect Jews wherever and whenever necessary and by any means needed."
On Friday, the third session of the group's training camp will begin in the Catskills woodlands of upstate New York, on land belonging to a Jewish supporter of the organization. With tuition at $400, the group expects 15 participants and five instructors for the 10 days of training. Participation has doubled since the group began three years ago.
Kitat Konenut New York is modeled on the rapid response teams in the West Bank settlements that are often the first to act when terrorist attacks or other emergencies take place. The group bills itself as religious-Zionist but nonpolitical.
American Jews have "felt a false sense of security in the United States," Stern believes, "because historically there has been less anti-Semitism than in other countries. But there have been incidents - neo-Nazi terrorist attacks, Arab terrorist attacks. Jews have to be vigilant."
"The threat is not from the American people or government," he adds, but from "terrorist sleeper cells that want to target Jews. These people are very dangerous and the FBI issues warnings against them very often," he said, citing the FBI's warning, after the killing of Hizbullah operations chief Imad Mughniyeh in Damascus in February, that the Lebanese group might carry out terror attacks on Jewish communities.
"The average American is friendly to Jews, but we're worried about those individuals on the periphery of society," Stern says.
The group was founded in the summer of 2006 in response to the shooting attack at the Jewish federation of Seattle premises by local Muslim Naveed Haq.
"We realized there is a need for this kind of organization, and as Israeli combat veterans living in the US, we have the skills and ability to respond to this," Stern says.
The group's MySpace page details the camp's regimen, which includes training in the IDF's Krav Maga martial art, use of non-lethal weapons and identification of suspicious objects, but also sharpshooter and assault rifle training, infantry exercises and endurance marches. Explanatory literature lists a large number of weapons with which participants can expect to train.
"We believe all Jews in the US must be legally armed and trained," Stern says, "and towards this goal we hold paramilitary training camps to train and equip Jewish American youth."
The group's literature notes emphatically that all firearms used in training "are 100% legal and in compliance with all federal, state and local laws."
"We strongly believe in the constitutional right to bear arms and we express this right to its fullest," it adds.
The group claims to be "well-connected with the New York police and fire departments" and it invites "all members of the law enforcement community to join in our life-saving activities."
Stern says, "We are all legally armed and carry radios and cellphones" during all hours of the day, and even on Shabbat, "as we need to be constantly ready to respond to any incident."
The camp literature also promises discussions on Torah and Halacha, understanding and confronting terrorism, fighting anti-Semitism, the history of the Zionist movement in the Land of Israel, and encouraging participants to "know your rights and learn how every American can and must be legally armed and how to express the Second Amendment" - the right to bear arms.
Funded by tuition money and a handful of private donors, the group does not exclude secular Jews, Stern says, but asks that they respect the Orthodox nature of the camp by observing Shabbat in public and refraining from bringing non-kosher food.
"We wouldn't have a problem with non-Jews coming either," says Stern, "but no non-Jew has applied thus far."
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Andrew. Validated Poster
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PROTOCOL 14: Assault on Religion (Destruction of existing religions and substitution of the religion of the Talmud [whilst pretending it to be of Moses] - A new era of slavery - Pornography encouraged in progressive countries). |
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simplesimon Moderate Poster
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: |
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Hi Andrew,
Hardly a day passes without something "in the news", or posted on this forum, that one can relate to The Protocols, but I don't really see much of a connection here. It seems that a more enlightened policy now applies here re unrestricted expression of ideas, and if we want that to continue, best to be selective and choose carefully the passages you think relate to what's happening today. I think this is more relevant:
"This hatred will be still further magnified by the effects of an economic crisis, which will stop dealings on the
exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to
us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, a universal economic crisis whereby we shall throw
upon the streets whole mobs of workers simultaneously in all the countries of Europe. These mobs will rush
delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their
cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.
"Ours" they will not touch, because the moment of attack will be known to us and we shall take measures to
protect our own."
Also worth noting:
"Nowadays, if any States raise a protest against us it is only pro forma at our discretion and by our direction,
for their anti-Semitism is indispensable to us for the management of our lesser brethren. I will not enter into
further explanations, for this matter has formed the subject of repeated discussions amongst us."
The majority of the Jews taking part in the paramilitary training likely feel genuinely threatened. Not that it makes me feel any better about it, or the quasi-paramilitary "Community Security Trust" here in the UK. _________________ If you want to know who is really in control, ask yourself who you cannot criticise.
"The hunt for 'anti-semites' is a hunt for pockets of resistance to the NWO"-- Israel Shamir
"What we in America call terrorists are really groups of people that reject the international system..." - Heinz "Henry" Kissinger |
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Andrew. Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:06 am Post subject: |
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simplesimon wrote: | Hi Andrew,
Hardly a day passes without something "in the news", or posted on this forum, that one can relate to The Protocols, but I don't really see much of a connection here. It seems that a more enlightened policy now applies here re unrestricted expression of ideas, and if we want that to continue, best to be selective and choose carefully the passages you think relate to what's happening today. I think this is more relevant:
"This hatred will be still further magnified by the effects of an economic crisis, which will stop dealings on the
exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to
us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, a universal economic crisis whereby we shall throw
upon the streets whole mobs of workers simultaneously in all the countries of Europe. These mobs will rush
delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their
cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.
"Ours" they will not touch, because the moment of attack will be known to us and we shall take measures to
protect our own."
Also worth noting:
"Nowadays, if any States raise a protest against us it is only pro forma at our discretion and by our direction,
for their anti-Semitism is indispensable to us for the management of our lesser brethren. I will not enter into
further explanations, for this matter has formed the subject of repeated discussions amongst us."
The majority of the Jews taking part in the paramilitary training likely feel genuinely threatened. Not that it makes me feel any better about it, or the quasi-paramilitary "Community Security Trust" here in the UK. |
Dear Simon.
''substitution of the religion of the Talmud [whilst pretending it to be of Moses] ''
The point I was making and it seems that no one has picked up on this yet is that the Only answer is with the Torah Law.
I don't know what you know of them but if you want, you pick one and lets see.
No one wants to debate this on any forum I've been to. People just laugh and ridicule when they don't know any thing about them.
yet they profess critical thinking. And its not just the dumbing down of people with politics and religion. |
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truthseeker john Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: |
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Andrew. wrote: | The point I was making and it seems that no one has picked up on this yet is that the Only answer is with the Torah Law. | Laws are for those who don't know right from wrong without being told. Frankly, it's about time humanity grew up. _________________ "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." - Euripides
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." - Albert Einstein
"To find yourself, think for yourself" - Socrates |
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Andrew. Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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truthseeker john wrote:
“Laws are for those who don't know right from wrong without being told. Frankly, it's about time humanity grew up.”
We all have free will, but the Commandments, Laws, Statutes, Judgments, are what they are. They are not polite requests. And also there for our protection, but again it seems that the vast majority of people can’t receive them to try and understand them. |
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Andrew. Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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simplesimon wrote:
"The majority of the Jews taking part in the paramilitary training likely feel genuinely threatened. Not that it makes me feel any better about it, or the quasi-paramilitary "Community Security Trust" here in the UK."
There not the only one’s that feel threatened Simon and Tony. But by the Government and police who actually support this group. Also that is something that is not afforded to other American so called patriots that I know about and now I’m being warned about being anti-semetic, and insensitive. As this man says there are 4,000,000 Muslims in America with no apparent so called anti-Semitic trouble. There’s also reports of many Russian soldiers stationed in America also. Thank goodness there are at least some intelligent enough police and soldiers in America many of them Christians that feel threatened and sensitive also that know what is going on and will take action on the politicians. I only hope there will be enough of them.
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“I should also point out that to those of you who work in the security services that Muslims in America already know that we are headed to war and that they will be rounded up and sent to concentration camps. The Muslims are not leaving the country as would most white people or as the Jews left Germany in the 1930s. The Muslims will stay and fight Evil in their adopted land. There are 4,000,000 Muslims and fewer than 15,000 FBI agents. But this too was planned by the Bilderbergers whose goal is the destruction of America and the permanent enslavement of its former citizens.” |
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truthseeker john Validated Poster
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Andrew. wrote: | ....again it seems that the vast majority of people can’t receive them [Laws] to try and understand them. | We shouldn't need the Laws of the government, nor Religion, nor the Bible, to tell us right from wrong and as I said, humanity needs to grow up.
Sadly, many people do need laws and that's mostly to do with the conditioning and propaganda* that is being pumped into us from early childhood. Ever heard of "Order out of chaos"? That is what is being done to us, so those in power stay in control.
So yes people need laws to keep them in check but that's mostly because they do not know who they really are* and need someone to tell them "right" from "wrong" - often with "or else" attached. Those in power (political and religious) treat us like naughty kids when the system has been designed to cause problems in the first place. As I said, humanity needs to grow up.
This clip may be of interest... (right click to download)
http://ftp4.dns-systems.net/~truth009/zeitgeist-end.mpg
(don't let the file name put you off) _________________ "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." - Euripides
"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it." - Albert Einstein
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Andrew. Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: |
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John I think the real Law's are there to protect people and also to protect people from those who make up laws to suit a minority: People I should say human beings
And that's only half the story or cloven hoof |
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