Russian writer Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who exposed Stalin's prison system in his novels and spent 20 years in exile, has died near Moscow at the age of 89.
The author of The Gulag Archipelago and One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich, who returned to Russia in 1994, died of either a stroke or heart failure.
The Nobel laureate had suffered from high blood pressure in recent years.
After returning to Russia, Solzhenitsyn wrote several polemics on Russian history and identity.
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject:
It is interesting that Solzhenitsyn in his writings tackled one of the great taboo subjects: The role of Jews in the Soviet nightmare.
"Two Hundred Years Together", published 2001.
Below are two commentaries on this book. These show the difficulties with even discussing this subject. The two references say that Solzhenitsyn said opposite things about the Russian Revolution and 1905. One would have to read his book oneself to understand which article's 'spin' is the more grotesque.
Here's all Wikipedia has to say about it:
......and a two-volume work on the history of Russian-Jewish relations (Two Hundred Years Together 2001, 2002). In it, Solzhenitsyn emphatically repudiates the idea the Russian revolutions of 1905 and 1917 were the work of a "Jewish conspiracy" (see chapters 9, 14, and 15 of that work). Yet he documents the predominance of Jews in the early Bolshevik leaderships, excepting Lenin. At the same time, he calls on both Russians and Jews to come to terms with the members of their peoples who acted in complicity with the Communist regime.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn and the Jews
November 17, 2007 Friedrich Braun
I just finished reading the French translation of Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together (2003) on Russian-Jewish relations since 1772 in two volumes (still no English translation available…”are we powerful or what?”). It’s both a quick and fascinating read; among other things, we learn that not only the October 1917 Revolution (really a just a well-organized, well-carried out Jewish coup) was dominated by Jewish agitators (a documented fact) but so was the 1905 Revolution (something I didn’t know). We also learn from the grand old man the awe-inspiring extent of the Jewish domination of the Soviet Union during its first two decades of existence, including its ruthless and murderous internal security system: Tcheka, OGPU, NKGB, and NKVD. A Russian in the hands of the Tcheka, etc. was almost certain to be in the hands of Jewish torturers and executioners. The litany of Jewish crimes committed against the long-suffering Russians (and other Slavic peoples: Ukrainians and Belarussians) and coldly listed by the author is simply nauseating and one should approach both volumes on an empty stomach. To this day there has been no acknowledgment on the part of international Jewry of Jews’ overwhelming support of the Bolshevik dictatorship during its first two decades. No asking for forgiveness. No reparations paid out to Russians. No chest-beating. No calls for repentance. No nothing…how un-Jewish that would be! Those few, rare Jewish voices who dared to speak out about the Jewish role in the establishment of the communist terror machine in Russia were inevitably greeted with hostility and enmity by other Jews and told to shut their “self-hating” mouths. It must also be remembered that it was Russian Jewry that saved the Bolshevik “experiment” in the early days when the old order civil servants went on a general strike to protest Bolshevik methods and measures. When that happened, educated and sympathetic Russian Jews were able to step in and literally save the nascent Bolshevik administration.
Another interesting aspect brought up by the author concerns the so-called era of “National Bolshevism” (a real misnomer) allegedly inaugurated by Stalin. Solzhenitsyn points out that Stalin was as much hostile to Russian interests as Lenin and Trotsky. How many millions of Russian peasants and Russian Orthodox clergy perished under Stalin? To speak of a Russian nationalism on the part of Stalin is simply laughable when one considers the slaughter accompanying Stalin’s and Kaganovich’s collectivisation and religious persecutions. Additionally, Jews continued to be overrepresented at all levels of the Soviet bureaucracy (including their overwhelming participation in the administration of the Gulag system) during Stalin’s years at the helm.
Furthermore, Solzhenitsyn speaks of his personal contacts with Soviet Jews and their typical detached relativism on all issues, including communist crimes with their tens of millions of victims. However, all that cool, intellectual relativism and reluctance to see the world in black and white terms would disappear in the blink of an eye as soon as Hitlerism was mentioned. Another example of Jewish hypocrisy highlighted by the author concerns the Jews admonishing of Russians (namely Solzhenitsyn) to reject global generalisations regarding Jews and aspects of the Jewish character at the same time that they would form and propagate the most negative opinions on the Russian character and how it was the Russians’ fault that the fundamentally noble communist experiment failed. Expressing generalisations about Russians while demandind from them that they abstain from seeing in Jews some distinct personality traits is very Jewish and pure chuzpah. Nothing is ever the Jews’ fault. It’s always someone else’s fault. One standard for the Jews, another standard for the goyim.
Here we go again with yet another attempt to hang the Hitlerian label of Evil, Bolshevik, Commie Jew on this forum. Who is this Braun, anyway? What's his agenda? Bet I can guess! No relation of Eva I suppose?
No accident that this poison is published by the very same website that promotes the racist Geert Wilders' Islamophobic film and other nasty racist stuff. Kbo234, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for visiting such places and then regurgitating their filth on our doorstep!
Meantime, I am not so impressed by what is referred to here as "the grand old man." Like a lot of Russians and Slavs, Solzhenitsyn had a strong anti-semitic streak in him. To compound that problem he despised Lenin and the bolsheviks, blaming Stalinism on the politics of terror first practised by the Leninists. That is understandable, coming from a man who fell victim to Stalin's labour camps.
I have read most of Solzhenitsyn's earlier books and so can claim to have some degree of insight into the writer. I don't see him as a "grand old man" though I can understand why the propagandists of the West might wish to fete both him and the ghastly fascist, Vladimir Bukovsky, in this manner.
Solzhenitsyn started publishing books like Cancer Ward and the Gulag Archipelago roundabout the right time when in the West, CIA-funded organisations like the Congress for Cultural Freedom (to which Bukovsky belonged) were doing their damndest to destroy any favourable image the Soviet Union had in the West after Stalin. Their propaganda campaign was part and parcel of a wider US military plan to contain the Soviets in eastern Europe before slowly pushing them back into the Russian heartlands. All this was known as Rollback Theory and goes back over sixty years when the USA was re-drawing the post-WWII map which would be dominated by a subsumed British Empire and a so-called 'Pax Americana'.
The choice of title, 'Pax Americana' was unfortunate since US hegemony had nothing to do with peace and everything to do with wars. Since the 1950s over 1.5 Billion souls have perished in global wars, most of which were started by the US.
I don't know if Solzhenitsyn was directly funded by the CIA like Bukovsky. But he was certainly used to disseminate anti-Soviet propaganda. When these two came on the scene the Soviet Empire was already in collapse. The spirit of both writers was echoed by the CIA-backed Solidarnosc movement, headed by the right-wing opportunist, Lech Walensa, in Poland in the 'seventies. Solidarnosc was also backed enthusiastically by the West. Now we can see why. It was all part of the West's plan for Rollback.
Today, Poland is run by the gangster Kacynski twins who find their natural, fascistic ally in Vaclav Klaus of the Czech Republic, all CIA stooges.
If Solzhenitsyn was the great patriot he made himself out to be why did he abandon his Mother Russia to live the comfortable life of a bourgeois writer in Switzerland? Was he afraid of something? What was he running away from? The same should be asked of Bukovsky who now lives an equally comfortable life in England. Great patriots indeed!
The above post seems to suggest that Russian bolshevism was the responsibility of the Jews and because bolshevism was evil (and who are we in the West to make judgements?) so then must the Jews have been who espoused it. So there were a lot of Jews who were bolsheviks. So what? There are a lot of Jews in Russia, a lot of them having comprised the intelligentsia.
Sorry, I don't buy it. I seem to recall Hitler making similar associations between those evil bolsheviks and the Jews. Into the bin with it!
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"The 1950-2005 avoidable mortality has totaled 1.3 billion for the world and 1.2 billion for the non-European world, these horrendous estimates being consonant with 1950-2005 under-5 infant mortality estimates of 0.88 billion for the world and 0.85 billion for the non-European world."
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject:
Isfahan, it is possible to take issue with nearly every sentence you write not because one necessarily disagrees with you (though I mostly do) but because what you say is so confused.
isfahan wrote:
Here we go again with yet another attempt to hang the Hitlerian label of Evil, Bolshevik, Commie Jew on this forum. Who is this Braun, anyway? What's his agenda? Bet I can guess! No relation of Eva I suppose?
No accident that this poison is published by the very same website that promotes the racist Geert Wilders' Islamophobic film and other nasty racist stuff. Kbo234, you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for visiting such places and then regurgitating their filth on our doorstep!
Solzhenitsyn thought the issue worthy of inspection and as I cannot post his book here, I post two opposing critiques of it. You seem to be some sort of expert on racists and their sites. I have no idea what you are talking about re Geert Wilders......but if any Jewish issue is raised you will always attack no matter how incoherently. As you know, I object to the use of the 'anti-semite' insult to shut down fair debate and to protect those that direct our destinies against our best interests. You use this tactic in rather a dishonourable way yourself, if you don't mind my saying so.
There are many survivors of USS Liberty, the ship that Israel's air force determinedly tried to sink in the mediterranean in 1967, who are still trying to get the truth about that incident in the American press today. No mainstream paper will print it despite the fact that 34 sailors were murdered and 170 were seriously injured in this diabolical action. When these sailors stick their heads above the parapet the cry is always 'anti-semites' in spite of the fact that Israel tried to murder them all in one of history's most treacherous actions. Now that's chutzpah!
isfahan wrote:
..... he despised Lenin and the bolsheviks,
Why shouldn't he after what they did to his country?
isfahan wrote:
If Solzhenitsyn was the great patriot he made himself out to be why did he abandon his Mother Russia to live the comfortable life of a bourgeois writer in Switzerland?
Blimey, there's no answer to that is there? Maybe, seeing as the government chucked him into prison for decades he wasn't that keen to continue living under it? ....only guessing.
isfahan wrote:
The above post seems to suggest that Russian bolshevism was the responsibility of the Jews and because bolshevism was evil (and who are we in the West to make judgements?) so then must the Jews have been who espoused it.
This is not a logical sentence.
However, the revolution involved a great many Jews (the big names anyway) as well as Russians and let's not forget Karl Marx nor the bankers (Messrs Warburg etc.) who funded the revolutionaries.
The bankers were surely the driving force behind the revolution. The Czar would not allow them into Russia to create Russian money for him. Was not the assassination of the Czar and his family a very powerful message to the other crowned heads of Europe to co-operate or risk a repeat of such consequences.
The bankers do seem to very often select Jewish people ( a very tiny number of the jewish population) to head their projects and institutions. Is it true that today this leadership is selected because they are doubly protected.....firstly by every other arm of the financier's machinery and, secondly, by the all-pervading and immensely powerful 'holocaust' meme?
Before you post your response to this Isfahan, can I ask you to address my points calmly rather than indulge yourself in exhibitionist projectile vomiting. This is a game most of us decide we will not play.
"The 1950-2005 avoidable mortality has totaled 1.3 billion for the world and 1.2 billion for the non-European world, these horrendous estimates being consonant with 1950-2005 under-5 infant mortality estimates of 0.88 billion for the world and 0.85 billion for the non-European world."
Solzhenitsyn thought the issue worthy of inspection and as I cannot post his book here, I post two opposing critiques of it. You seem to be some sort of expert on racists and their sites. I have no idea what you are talking about re Geert Wilders......but if any Jewish issue is raised you will always attack no matter how incoherently. As you know, I object to the use of the 'anti-semite' insult to shut down fair debate and to protect those that direct our destinies against our best interests. You use this tactic in rather a dishonourable way yourself, if you don't mind my saying so.
I checked the website from which you got your article by Braun. It has at its top the Geert Wilders Islamophobe movie as well as some other racist stuff below.
Which only confirms my belief that anti-semitism against Jews hides other bigotries and racist stuff. If it's not the Jews it's the Muslims or the Blacks or the Reds or whomever.
Kbo234, I have things to do like feed myself so I'm not going to be drawn into a bottomless well of argumentation. I have stated my views, take it or leave them. I'm not going to change your views nor you mine. So we can and will no doubt blast off against each others views from time-to-time.
But for now please go & find someone or something else to blast away at, Jews, Reds or whatever. I think I know your customary repertoire by now. No one else seems to be bothered to challenge it. More fool me!
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:47 am Post subject:
Here's an article from the Guardian. Will this do?....or is this, too, a sign of one's infatuation with Hitler?
Solzhenitsyn breaks last taboo of the revolution
Nick Patton Walsh – The Guardian January 25, 2003
Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who first exposed the horrors of the Stalinist gulag, is now attempting to tackle one of the most sensitive topics of his writing career - the role of the Jews in the Bolshevik revolution and Soviet purges.
In his latest book Solzhenitsyn, 84, deals with one of the last taboos of the communist revolution: that Jews were as much perpetrators of the repression as its victims. Two Hundred Years Together - a reference to the 1772 partial annexation of Poland and Russia which greatly increased the Russian Jewish population - contains three chapters discussing the Jewish role in the revolutionary genocide and secret police purges of Soviet Russia.
But Jewish leaders and some historians have reacted furiously to the book, and questioned Solzhenitsyn's motives in writing it, accusing him of factual inaccuracies and of fanning the flames of anti-semitism in Russia.
Solzhenitsyn argues that some Jewish satire of the revolutionary period "consciously or unconsciously descends on the Russians" as being behind the genocide. But he states that all the nation's ethnic groups must share the blame, and that people shy away from speaking the truth about the Jewish experience.
In one remark which infuriated Russian Jews, he wrote: "If I would care to generalise, and to say that the life of the Jews in the camps was especially hard, I could, and would not face reproach for an unjust national generalisation. But in the camps where I was kept, it was different. The Jews whose experience I saw - their life was softer than that of others."
Yet he added: "But it is impossible to find the answer to the eternal question: who is to be blamed, who led us to our death? To explain the actions of the Kiev cheka [secret police] only by the fact that two thirds were Jews, is certainly incorrect."
Solzhenitsyn, awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1970, spent much of his life in Soviet prison camps, enduring persecution when he wrote about his experiences. He is currently in frail health, but in an interview given last month he said that Russia must come to terms with the Stalinist and revolutionary genocides - and that its Jewish population should be as offended at their own role in the purges as they are at the Soviet power that also persecuted them.
"My book was directed to empathise with the thoughts, feelings and the psychology of the Jews - their spiritual component," he said. "I have never made general conclusions about a people. I will always differentiate between layers of Jews. One layer rushed headfirst to the revolution. Another, to the contrary, was trying to stand back. The Jewish subject for a long time was considered prohibited. Zhabotinsky [a Jewish writer] once said that the best service our Russian friends give to us is never to speak aloud about us."
But Solzhenitsyn's book has caused controversy in Russia, where one Jewish leader said it was "not of any merit".
"This is a mistake, but even geniuses make mistakes," said Yevgeny Satanovsky, president of the Russian Jewish Congress. "Richard Wagner did not like the Jews, but was a great composer. Dostoyevsky was a great Russian writer, but had a very sceptical attitude towards the Jews.
"This is not a book about how the Jews and Russians lived together for 200 years, but one about how they lived apart after finding themselves on the same territory. This book is a weak one professionally. Factually, it is so bad as to be beyond criticism. As literature, it is not of any merit."
But DM Thomas, one of Solzhenitsyn's biographers, said that he did not think the book was fuelled by anti-semitism. "I would not doubt his sincerity. He says that he firmly supports the state of Israel. In his fiction and factual writing there are Jewish characters that he writes about who are bright, decent, anti-Stalinist people."
Professor Robert Service of Oxford University, an expert on 20th century Russian history, said that from what he had read about the book, Solzhenitsyn was "absolutely right".
Researching a book on Lenin, Prof Service came across details of how Trotsky, who was of Jewish origin, asked the politburo in 1919 to ensure that Jews were enrolled in the Red army. Trotsky said that Jews were disproportionately represented in the Soviet civil bureaucracy, including the cheka.
"Trotsky's idea was that the spread of anti-semitism was [partly down to] objections about their entrance into the civil service. There is something in this; that they were not just passive spectators of the revolution. They were part-victims and part-perpetrators.
"It is not a question that anyone can write about without a huge amount of bravery, and [it] needs doing in Russia because the Jews are quite often written about by fanatics. Mr Solzhenitsyn's book seems much more measured than that."
Yet others failed to see the need for Solzhenitsyn's pursuit of this particular subject at present. Vassili Berezhkov, a retired KGB colonel and historian of the secret services and the NKVD (the precursor of the KGB), said: "The question of ethnicity did not have any importance either in the revolution or the story of the NKVD. This was a social revolution and those who served in the NKVD and cheka were serving ideas of social change.
"If Solzhenitsyn writes that there were many Jews in the NKVD, it will increase the passions of anti-semitism, which has deep roots in Russian history. I think it is better not to discuss such a question now.”
www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jan/25/russia.books
Look, Kbo234, let me make my position quite clear: I don't give a toss how many Jews were involved in the Revolution. If Lenin were a Jew I wouldn't care.
I don't see the Russian Revolution as an evil thing in the way you do so I am simply not going to play your guilt-by-association game. As far as I am concerned there is nothing to feel guilty about.
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"The question of ethnicity did not have any importance either in the revolution or the story of the NKVD. This was a social revolution and those who served in the NKVD and cheka were serving ideas of social change.
Quite.
As for the Grauniad, that rag has been steadily lurching to the Right ever since Blair so this kind of article seems to be very much in character with its new ideological niche.
By quoting a Grauniad article on this subject in no way gets you off the hook. As I say, I know your customary, Jew-baiting repertoire well enough by now.
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"If Solzhenitsyn writes that there were many Jews in the NKVD, it will increase the passions of anti-semitism, which has deep roots in Russian history. I think it is better not to discuss such a question now.”
I agree.
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"This is not a book about how the Jews and Russians lived together for 200 years, but one about how they lived apart after finding themselves on the same territory. This book is a weak one professionally. Factually, it is so bad as to be beyond criticism. As literature, it is not of any merit."
Just in case readers are misled by all the current media propaganda to believe that Solzhenitsyn was some kind of saint among dissidents, here are some alternative views of him:
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[He] "supported Franco's fascist Spain, agitated for the US to invade Portugal when it turned left, supported the war in Vietnam and even urged the US to invade again when they were defeated, he supported sanctions and more against Cuba, had pro fascist sympathies and was very economical with the truth about the numbers imprisoned in the former Soviet Union's labour camps.
He claimed 25 million were imprisoned in 1953! Quite absurd when there were only 45 labour camps in total. In 1997 when all the official figures were released it turned out that the figure was around 470,000. Perhaps there was some truth in the charges that he was a counter revolutionary.
It was also interesting that there were more people imprisoned percentage wise in the US at the time than in the USSR. I think 2.2% of population compared to 2.8% in USA however that needs checking as I read it somewhere a while ago."
Not only that, once he returned to Russia, he spent some amount of time calling effectively for the reconstitution of the soviet union, ergo, calling for Russia to reassert rule over the former Union republics.
Solzhenitsyn wrote some great novels, but the man himself was incredibly reactionary, I remember an interview with him several years ago and he appeared quite barmy claiming America had a duty to bomb the Soviet Union etc.
Solzhenitsyn may have been a great novelist (I would be the last to be able to judge), and he certainly brought to a wide audience the facts about Stalin's camps (although in fact, the anti-Stalinist left including David Rousset, Ante Ciliga and Victor Serge, had been circulating detailed testimony about Stalin's brutality for some time). Unfortunately, he was also a terrible reactionary, a supporter of Tsarism, and an apologist for the Vietnam War.
Excuse me for taking so long to reply, I fainted forty-five minutes ago and have just recovered.
Let's do a deal here Isfahan. You don't argue with me and I'll avoid arguing with you.
This is perilous to my health.
I might just die from it....
.......of shock.....or just from laughing.
I'm really sorry to hear our exchange might be affecting your health (seriously?). All I can say is I'll try not to argue directly with you in order to not affect your health if I am causing anger. Get better soon!
Isfahan,
great that someone takes the discussion against this madman (I mean kbo, not Solzhenitsyn...) , I can't be *rsed anymore to discuss with someone who uses the crimes of racist Apartheid state of Israel (yes, thats my opinion..) to spread anti-semite and likewise racist "Jews controls the world" lies......
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Since the 1950s over 1.5 Billion souls have perished in global wars, most of which were started by the US.
Another book on the subject is the excellent "Killing Hope" by William Blum.
great that someone takes the discussion against this madman (I mean kbo, not Solzhenitsyn...) , I can't be *rsed anymore to discuss with someone who uses the crimes of racist Apartheid state of Israel (yes, thats my opinion..) to spread anti-semite and likewise racist "Jews controls the world" lies......
Many thanks AntonH, for your encouraging words and recommending the books. I am sorry that Kbo234 has health problems and I don't wish to aggravate his health, especially after his recent fainting attack.
But having said that I felt I could no longer stay silent when a certain group of individuals who appear obsessed with some outrageous idea of an international 'Jewish Conspiracy' keep abusing this forum consistently with anti-Jewish material.
I agree with you about the racist apartheid of the modern state of Israel. This has nothing to do with Judaism and everything to do with a very corrupt form of Zionism hand-in-hand with an equally corrupt US imperialism.
The irony appears to be that it is the very people who were persecuted by the Nazis whose descendants have become Nazis themselves. But when we look at the history of Zionism and the cynical understanding that the Zionists had with the Nazis we can begin to understand how the problem came about. Also, there are books by those such as Dr Israel Shahak, The Weight of Three Thousand Years, which give us clues.
It should be remembered that not all Jews or indeed Israeli Jews support Zionazism but find themselves caught up in an impossible situation where it is practically impossible to speak out against what is in reality a tribal war between Jews and Arabs.
None of this justifies the sort of Jew-baiting I have seen going on in these columns from time-to-time. Yes, question the past by all means and challenge historical assumptions. But the continual spreading of racist poison cannot and should not be tolerated by any of us regardless of our culture or background. Instead we should approach life from the position of a Common Humanity, nothing less.
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:36 am Post subject:
AntonH wrote:
Isfahan,
great that someone takes the discussion against this madman (I mean kbo, not Solzhenitsyn...) , I can't be *rsed anymore to discuss with someone who uses the crimes of racist Apartheid state of Israel (yes, thats my opinion..) to spread anti-semite and likewise racist "Jews controls the world" lies......
It is really difficult to perceive any integrity in the positions that yourself and Isfahan adopt. You name call and abuse and then basically agree with everything I've been saying while simultaneously accusing me of saying things I haven't said.
I have said that the central banking cartel do effectively control our government, the US government and many more besides. Do you think I'm using this phrase as a code word for 'Jews'?....is that it?
I believe this central banking cartel is engaged in a long-term war against humanity (including Jewish people) and that their objective is to create a one-world government for which they will create money and, hence, control.
There is plentiful evidence that this is the process that society has been engaged in for well over a century at least.
Most people that I have met who believe that 9/11 is an inside job believe this also.
You and Isfahan are happy to condemn Zionism and the actions of the state of Israel but you are determined to see Zionism in isolation and to disregard any evidence that it might be an ideology that is being used by most powerful financial players to advance their agenda, i.e. to do so in the way they have always done.....divide and rule.
When our current age has passed Zionism also will have passed. If a controlled globalised world is created then Zionism will have outlived its usefulness, if these forces are defeated (God alone knows how this might happen) then Zionism will be exposed for what it is in the process......probably by the voices of the majority of angry Jews who have (at last) spoken up against this creed they never really understood or supported in the first place.
Yes, Zionism and a Zionist (and Jewish) elite have a special part to play in the criminal activities of an elite that comprises many other groups.
If you look at 9/11, isn't this absolutely obvious?
The majority of the neo-cons who called for a 'New Pearl Harbour' and who are in bed with the Bush administration are Jews....but (and you never want to hear me or any other poster who makes this point).....the vast majority of Jews are not neo-cons.
[ Got that...the vast majority of Jews are neither neo-cons nor part of the elite. I understand that you will be making shrill cries of 'anti-semite! anti-semite!' after this post too but people should ask themselves why you adopt this cowardly, but useful, tactic. ]
Also it is obvious that Mossad, along with other security services , were up to their eyes in 9/11.
If you think that there is no strategic long-term international agenda behind Zionist actions and that they just love the Jewish people too much, below are some questions that Zionists need to answer and that you should look into yourselves (that is if your presence here is not simply directed at abusing posters like myself and shutting down all discussion about the international conspiracy that is obviously hard at work every day of our lives).
There are 10 questions posted on their site by Neurei Karta.
The allegations embedded in these questions demonstrate that the Zionist project is not pro-Jewish people, it is pro-some-other-thing-entirely. You tell me what.
By the way, the reason these things need to be aired regularly is because there IS a disproportionate part played by Jews in this high-level globalist game-plan.......and ordinary Jews, 'dupes' like the rest of us, need to 'get it' and look critically at their role as a shield in protecting the bankers and the Zionists from critical inspection. The reason these forces are 'protected' is because everyone thinks that by raising these matters they will be offending Jews in general (this might be largely true) and that they will be called anti-semitic (a terrifying charge to most people). No one, myself included, wants to offend Jews.....but it is NECESSARY to insist on raising these matters so that the common good might eventually prevail.
Ten questions to the Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva and author of min hametzar
(Published by the author in 1948 and reprinted many times)
1.
IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
2.
IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
3.
IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
c) No ransom will be paid
4.
IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
5.
IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.
6.
IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).
7.
IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.
8.
IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"
9.
IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.
10.
IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
You and Isfahan are happy to condemn Zionism and the actions of the state of Israel but you are determined to see Zionism in isolation and to disregard any evidence that it might be an ideology that is being used by most powerful financial players to advance their agenda, i.e. to do so in the way they have always done.....divide and rule.
Speaking for myself, it isn't your use of the term 'Zionism' that I have a problem with or even your description of an international banking cartel. It's your habit of bringing up this or that conspiracy and associating it with Jews.
There's an obsessiveness about it. That's the problem.
If you would simply use the term Zionist as a political description rather than 'Jew' which is an ethno-religious description, I would have no objection in principal.
In defence of Alexander Solzhenitsyn I must say this: despite all his faults and weaknesses (some of which have been outlined in the posts above) I discovered him, through his writings, to be a man of true integrity.
When he came to the West he found plenty of things to criticise, and he did. He didn't behave like the nasty Bukovsky who quickly aligned himself with some pretty reactionary elements. Through his works I understood the meaning of dissidence and that we, too, in the West should listen to our dissidents.
Today, at his funeral Solzhenitsyn was described as "the Conscience of Russia". I wouldn't wish to demean that description. Comrade Alexander Solzhenitysn, Rest in Peace.
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: Solzhenitsyn accuses U.S., NATO of encircling Russia
Nobel laureate Aleksander Solzhenitsyn accuses U.S., NATO of encircling Russia
27Apr2006
Nobel laureate and former Soviet dissident Aleksander Solzhenitsyn in a newspaper interview accused the United States and NATO of seeking to encircle Russia, and praised President Vladimir Putin for working to restore a strong state.
In a rare interview, the reclusive 87-year-old author, who rose to prominence for his accounts of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin's repression and labor camps, told the liberal weekly Moscow News that NATO's ultimate aim was the loss of Russia's sovereignty, according to a full text of the interview posted on its Web site edition Thursday.
"Though it is clear that present-day Russia poses no threat to it, NATO is methodically and persistently building up its military machine into the east of Europe and surrounding Russia from the south," Solzhenitsyn was quoted as saying.
"This involves open material and ideological support for 'color revolutions' and the paraxodical forcing of North Atlantic interests on Central Asia," he reportedly said, adding that there was "little substantial difference" between the actions of the U.S. and NATO.
"All this leaves no doubt that they are preparing to completely encircle Russia and deprive it of its sovereignty," Solzhenitsyn was quoted as saying.
Russia was furious at what it saw as Western encroachment on its home turf after a series of peaceful revolutions brought opposition leaders to power in the former Soviet republics Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan.
Solzhenitsyn lashed out at the pro-Western government in Ukraine for its drive to obtain NATO membership, and said Russia would "never betray in any way the multimillion Russian population in Ukraine and renounce our unity with it," according to report.
The author, known for his conservative Slavic views, accused former reformist Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev of capitulating to the West, and Russia's first post-Communist president, Boris Yeltsin, of pursuing the same policy as well as presiding over the massive theft of state resources and a descent into chaos.
But he said in the interview with Moscow News that Putin, a former KGB career intelligence officer who was elected in 2000, was making efforts to restore Russia's shattered statehood.
"Foreign policy, considering our current situation and possibilities, is being conducted sensibly and ever more forward-thinking," Solzhenitsyn said.
"But owing to the heavy burden left by his predecessors, an awful, awful lot in Russia has yet to be lifted up from decline. The overall state of people's lives remains hard and chaotic," he said.
Solzhenitsyn spent a decade in a labor camp and documented life in the camps in his best-known works, "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" and the "Gulag Archipelago" trilogy.
He won the Nobel Prize in literature in 1970 and was expelled from the Soviet Union four years later. He lived in the U.S. state of Vermont until his 1994 return to Russia, three years after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
His profile as a moral arbiter and a literary star have declined since he returned and began criticizing the corruption and poverty of post-Soviet Russia. He has kept a lower profile in recent years, giving few interviews and issuing few public statements, reports AP.
Solzhenitysn remained a nationalist to the end and, unlike the traitor Bukovsky, remained faithful to his Alma Mater right to the end.
The encirclement of Russia by the Anglo-American alliance has been going on ever since the time of the Bolshevik revolution. Preparata in his book, Conjuring Hitler, shows us how the alliance used Russia and stole billions of roubles of the Czar's gold only to lend it back to the Bolshevik via Wall Street.
Incidentally, this book is a must read for those who wish to understand current global geopolitics.
At that time, the Anglo-Americans were playing a different game in that their long term purpose was to not only to defeat Germany (which they saw as their obvious competitor) but to create the conditions in Germany where a demagogue would arise who would attack Russia and who in turn would not only be defeated by the combined might of the Anglo-American allies and Russia but whose country would then be physically occupied by the Allies. All this happened.
During this decades-long process the US overtook Britain as the world superpower and during the 'forties re-drew the post WWII map in anticipation of their inevitable victory, subsuming the British Empire into the so-called Pax Americana. The plan for Russia was to first contain it in eastern Europe, to encircle it and to play a military/diplomatic game in order to push it back (Rollback Policy) into its own territory and finally take it over in the interests of capital.
The encirclement of Russia and Rollback proceeded in the 'sixties and 'seventies together with an Arms Race deliberately intended to break the Russian economy. That too took place. The Soviets were thus defeated. For a time a weak Russia presented no threat. As Russian capitalism grew more robust so did its determination to regain some of the ground it had lost and defend the integrity of its own territory from the Anglo-American threat. Russia's military was rebuilt in order to conduct, if necessary, asymmetric war if threatened by the West. Putin made this quite clear in a keynote speech in Germany (October 2007) when he politely warned the West not to mess around with the Russian Bear.
That didn't stop the Anglo-Americans' mischief on a global scale or in the Oil and Gas regions of the Caucasus and Central Asia. The old plan, from the days of Mackinder, to get hold of the Eurasian heartlands transferred from the British to the US military. The Anglo-Americans set out to secure the Oil and Gas resources where they could and to control them where they couldn't.
In his book, The Grand Chessboard, the NWO's eminence grise, Zbigniew Brzezinski, wrote:
Quote:
"Ever since the continents started interacting politically, some five hundred years ago, Eurasia has been the center of world power.....The key to controlling Eurasia, says Brzezinski, is controlling the Central Asian Republics."
This is the heart-and-soul of the war on terror. The real braintrust behind "neverending conflict" was actually focussed on Central Asia. It was the pro-Israeli crowd in the Republican Party that pulled the old switcheroo and refocussed on the Middle East rather than Eurasia. Now, powerful members of the US foreign policy establishment (Brzezinski, Albright, Holbrooke) have regrouped behind the populist "cardboard" presidential candidate Barak Obama and are preparing to redirect America's war efforts to the Asian theater. Obama offers voters a choice of wars not a choice against war.
With this purpose in their sights the Anglo-Americans embarked upon a new Cold War against Russia and China (both part of the SCO) which, if western capitalism was mortally threatened, could be turned into a hot war. Hence the West's need to develop Star Wars as well as the US to base a so-called Missile Shield in eastern Europe smack up against the borders with Russia.
The Missile Shield is not defensive. It is offensive, part of US preparations for a nuclear war with Russia (and China?) where a pre-emptive nuclear attack would be launched against Russia. The Russians would retaliate with what missiles were not destroyed in the first attack. The Missile Shield is meant to deal with the remainder of Russian missiles (not taken out in the first attack) which would then be launched against the USA. Following this a second wave of US missiles is then meant to obliterate what is left of Russia's defenses.
The Missile Shield is not popular with the people of Poland and the Czech Republic who realise that, by allowing the Shield to be based on their territory, makes them targets for Russia. The US has always been prepared to sacrifice Europe in a nuclear war: now with the Missile Shield and in the 'eighties with the so called European Theatre of War envisaging an "Intermediate" nuclear war with Russia in Europe whilst the USA was left out of it!
So why isn't the UK anti-war movement not campaigning against the Missile Shield? Because it has been effectively destroyed by the SWP and nobbled by the secret services?
The cynical game that the US has played with the Georgian Sakaashvili --who has been accused of being a mafioso-- at the cost of thousands of lives is to create yet another flashpoint in the Caucasus which would enable the Anglo-Americans to open a new, hostile diplomacy against Russia, whilst paving the way to military confrontation with it. The part that British politicians are playing in it are that of two-bit actors simply parroting the lines they are being fed by their US bosses.
Confrontation with Russia is certainly not in the interests of western Europe which depends on Russia for its energy supplies. Hence it is likely that the EU will continue to develop a diplomacy with Russia in its own interests rather than those of the USA. Logically, the gap between the EU and the USA should therefore grow. The UK, as always, finds itself betwixt and between its loyalty to the US and its commercial interests in Europe.
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