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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:10 am Post subject: Holocaust Survivor - Museum Shooter Akin to Suicide Bomber |
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Quote: | Sel Hubert, 83, of Rye Brook, New York, said he also fears that through the shooter's "ultimate act of Holocaust denial," he has invigorated others who embrace hate
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Quote: | Spiegel, who met her husband of more than 60 years, Samuel, at a slave labor camp in Auschwitz, teaches children to shun hate in hopes they will blossom into productive adults unfettered by ignorance and prejudices -- "just the opposite of what he is," she said, referring to the museum shooter. |
Quote: | "Hitler's Germany, they had freedom of speech and look what happened," Blumberg said. "Freedom of speech has to be controlled."
Added Hubert, "It's the uncontrolled Internet which provides the tools and means for this scourge to spread, and it's a very dangerous thing that's happening." |
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/12/holocaust.survivors.museum.rea ction/#cnnSTCText _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:15 am Post subject: Hate Messages Found in Suspects Car |
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Quote: | A handwritten message in a notebook found in the car of the man accused of fatally shooting a Holocaust museum security guard boasted, "You want my weapons -- this is how you'll get them," an FBI criminal complaint says. |
Quote: | Stephen Tyrone Johns, the security guard who was shot to death, had opened the door for the gunman, who then raised a rifle and killed him, authorities told reporters Thursday.
Johns, 39, "was kind enough to open the door, allowing him to enter," Lanier said. "As he entered, he raised the rifle and shot special police Officer Johns." |
...think about that one.....
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/11/museum.shooting/index.html _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:25 am Post subject: Very interesting post from Michael Hoffman's blog |
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Quote: | Seems to be some twilight language here. Von Brunn = Von Braun? Nazis adopted by US government to do government bidding? Then, there's his age -- 88. Isn't 88 a code among neo-Nazis for "heil Hitler," since "h" is the 8th letter in the alphabet? The mimetic-meme pull of these factors, taken in conjunction with the earlier shooting of the abortionist in Wichita, has no doubt imprinted the dreaming group mind. These events call to mind William S. Burroughs' thoughts on the Mayans and their art of control. Burroughs theorized their priest class maintained two separate calendars: one tied to celestial events and another that recorded the events and reactions to them. By consulting an inventory of public reactions to earlier events, the priest class could program public reactions by inserting cues and commands that had already been infused with certain conceptual and memetic content. Translating the practice to today, Burroughs believed the news media essentially acts like the Mayan secret calendar. Here, the Cryptocracy controls the group mind by folding meaning from past events onto current ones through conceptual connections and neuro-linguistic programming. Burroughs seemed to think this is accomplished by the Cryptocracy's issuing of contradictory commands in the public domain as cues: psychologically, people cannot function under the pressure to perform two contradictory things. For instance, people may feel abortion is wrong or that gun rights should be protected. When they read about these events, however, they are essentially receiving contradictory commands: support certain rights or support atrocities. In this way, the Cryptrocracy continues the Mayan practice of mystification through public spectacle. |
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/06/now-playing-at-holocaust -museum-lone.html _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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cem Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: Holocaust Museum shooter: Obama created, used by Jews |
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3730446,00.html
Holocaust Museum shooter: Obama created, used by Jews
Ynetnews, 12 June 2009
Quote: | FBI investigators found sinister notes inside the car of James Von Brunn, accused of storming the Holocaust Museum in Washington, court papers showed.
"You want my weapons - this is how you'll get them…The Holocaust is a lie... Obama was created by Jews," read parts of the note discovered inside the geriatric neo-Nazi's car, shortly after his murderous rampage, which left 39-year-old Stephen Tyrone Johns, a museum security guard, dead. |
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related link:
http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/obama-merkel-visit-buch enwald-concentration-camp-elie-wiesel-after-touring-concentration-camp /
Obama & Merkel visit Buchenwald concentration camp: We will do everything we can so that something like this never happens again (5 June 2009)
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Holocaust Museum shooter: Obama created, used by Jews |
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cem wrote: | .
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3730446,00.html
Holocaust Museum shooter: Obama created, used by Jews
Ynetnews, 12 June 2009
Quote: | FBI investigators found sinister notes inside the car of James Von Brunn, accused of storming the Holocaust Museum in Washington, court papers showed.
"You want my weapons - this is how you'll get them…The Holocaust is a lie... Obama was created by Jews," read parts of the note discovered inside the geriatric neo-Nazi's car, shortly after his murderous rampage, which left 39-year-old Stephen Tyrone Johns, a museum security guard, dead. |
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http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/obama-merkel-visit-buch enwald-concentration-camp-elie-wiesel-after-touring-concentration-camp /
Obama & Merkel visit Buchenwald concentration camp: We will do everything we can so that something like this never happens again (5 June 2009)
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....Shades of Koran and passport _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:33 am Post subject: |
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I am ashamed to say I did not think of this right away it is so obvious
Quote: | Whoe, hold the phone! It seems to me that there has been a double shooting. No eyewhitnesses, and as of yet no crime investigation. An elderly man lays dying and another has died. We are told they shot each other. The lone survivor is likely to die and has been charged and found guilty in the press of a heinious crime, based solely on his personal dislikes . Where are the whitnesses? Where are the balistics and crime scene reports? Who was the last one to see or speak to the "suspect" before the event? Where are his phone records? Where was he earlier that day or the night before? Who did he speak with? What other 'people' were in or about the premesies? I will say that with his "track record" you couldn't find a more perfect 'patsie'. Yet this guy for all his bravado does not strike me as a 'killer'. And if his sentiments were in fact a motivation for this crime I believe a man with his intelligence and background would not only have gotten his target but would have escaped detection. It's all too too 'pat'. A more likely scenario is that he received an E-mail or a phone call by some "shill" asking him to meet him inside the Holacaust Museum at a certain time for some sort of revisionest disclosure or some other pretext. A 'hit' team had already set the stage and were standing by. When he entered the Museum they shot the gaurd and him and planted the weapons. And escaped (with help). Another "false flag" "inside job" to procure the timely needed results which it has. As best I can remember he is inocent until "PROVEN" guilty. He is not on trial for his opinions or his likes and dislikes! (or is he?) In any case I have made my point. And in all the hunderds of posts and articles since this has happened I have been the only one to bring out these facts! What have you all become? |
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/06/now-playing-at-holocaust -museum-lone.html _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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The unlikely friends of the Holocaust memorial killer
An anti-liberal ideology is being created by groups who would once have been sworn enemies
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/14/james-von-brunn-fa r-right
I thought as I listened that, as so often in the past, what unites far left and far right is more important than what divides them, but readers may object that I am still talking only about tiny groups of extremists, who influence next to no one. The 9/11 "truthers" von Brunn joined have a far greater appeal, however. Admittedly, they do not seem appealing on first glance. In fact, they seem nutty geeks with wild eyes, who constantly film public meetings, in the hope that a member of the establishment will admit to being part of a global conspiracy in an unguarded moment.
Yet their idea that the west can only be the criminal and never be the victim of crime is everywhere. In 2003, a third of young Germans believed that al-Qaida was not a cult of death responsible for massacres.
A 2006 poll by the Pew Research Centre found that a majority of Muslims in Indonesia, Egypt, Turkey, Jordan and Pakistan denied that Arab terrorists could have carried out the 11 September attacks. Of British Muslims, 56% agreed that the hijackers were innocent and 25% went on to say "the British government was involved in some way" with the 7/7 atrocities in London.
Whenever I argue with "truthers", I point out as gently as I can that they are the children of the Holocaust-deniers. Just as the old far right denied the crimes of the German fascists of the 1940s, so they deny the crimes of the clerical fascists of our day. Yet although I have no doubt some of them will end up in neo-Nazi parties, I sense that the majority are moving in a new direction.
In Voodoo Histories, his elegant evisceration of the paranoid mentality, David Aaronovitch points out that former fascists and communists, secular Ba'athists, radical Islamists, Russian nationalists and America firsters - people who would never have worked together in the past, and who indeed killed each other in the past - are fusing ideas and creating a new ideology. Their politics, he writes, is "a loose coalescence of impulses: anti-globalisation, broadly anti-modernist and anti-imperialist - with imperialism being inevitably and solely associated with American power".
If you think this fusion is limited only to cranks, consider how human rights groups and secularists are having to combat new and powerful alliances the new anti-liberal ideology has encouraged. Earlier this year, the dictatorships which dominate the United Nations' comically named Human Rights Council tried to pass a motion stating that defamation of religion should everywhere be a crime. For obvious reasons, Islamic states pushed the new blasphemy law and abused the language of liberty as they attempted to justify the punishment of Muslims and non-Muslims who criticised or mocked orthodoxy. _________________ www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org
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Grauniad Cohen wrote: | Whenever I argue with "truthers", I point out as gently as I can that they are the children of the Holocaust-deniers. |
I am so utterly sick, sick, sick of this absurd blunted weapon being regurgitated time after time after time, everywhere one looks outside of deep history research. I have continually challenged this dangerous fallacy in the MSM, to no avail apart from being banned. Come on people, fight back before you're pinned with the shiny new yellow star in reverse!!
And isn't it time we made a concerted effort to divest ourselves of the very sloppy semiotic 'truther', coined originally by an OCT proponent (for the sake of argument here, I will avoid the word 'shill')?
This may seem nit-picking to some but just consider the relative semiotic strengths of 'truther' and 'truth seeker'. On such niggling aspects, entire civilisations are swayed. _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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I was banned from the Observer forum yesterday. Like yourself, I was disgusted by Cohen's (typical) article. I pointed out that this 'holocaust-denial' charge is just another way that Zionist Jews and their sympathisers control the political debate to their advantage.
I also tried to post an article that demonstrates another way Zionists control our political process. Here it is:
“Mucking out” British politics
Stuart Littlewood – Redress June 1, 2009
Stuart Littlewood argues that the expenses scandal engulfing British Members of Parliament is nothing compared to the fact that supporters of Israel are embedded at all levels in the fabric of British political life and at the heart of the government, including at the core of the security establishment.
UK politicians are currently reeling from a public lashing for fiddling their expenses big-time. Such is their arrogance that many, when confronted with their crimes, don't see that they have done anything wrong.
The guilty ones who step down will be further enriched with a lavish resettlement allowance and a big pension pot.
To appease voters’ anger Parliament and government are now promising anti-sleaze reforms. They are calling on the impressive-sounding Committee on Standards in Public Life to investigate and make recommendations. Conservative leader David Cameron, who has expectations of becoming the next British prime minister, talks of purging his party of its cheats and racketeers.
But swindling the taxpayer over MPs' expenses is nothing compared to other corruption that's rife in Westminster. It is said that becoming a Friend of Israel is a necessary stepping-stone to high office. As a result, supporters of that foreign power are embedded at all levels in the fabric of British political life and at the heart of the government.
Eighteen months ago a group of concerned academics wrote to the Standards Committee complaining about Israel’s “deep penetration” of our political system and how it prevented Britain from taking a principled stand on Middle East affairs, including the Iraq war and the never-ending violations of Palestinian human rights. They asked the committee to consider the activities of the Friends of Israel as a matter for urgent investigation.
The chairman, Sir Christopher Kelly, refused. Why? He wouldn't say. But some members of his committee were found to have close links with Friends of Israel. Even this inner sanctum of British correctness and fair play is compromised.
Integrity is lacking
One of the Seven Principles of Public Life, and perhaps the most important, is integrity – "Holders of public office should not place themselves under any financial or other obligation to outside individuals or organizations that might seek to influence them in the performance of their official duties.” That’s plain enough for even a schoolboy to understand.
Yet the authorities turn a blind eye to the various Israel Lobby organizations, which go to great lengths to influence not only those in power, but those wishing to achieve power in the future. Conservative Friends of Israel (CFI) claim that, with over 2,000 members and registered supporters, alongside 80 per cent of the Conservative MPs, it has become the largest affiliated group in the party.
Its website states that the CFI, in the run-up to the last general election, supported candidates up and down the country.
As candidates are now being continuously selected for target seats, CFI has developed a special programme of weekly briefings, events with speakers and a chance to participate in delegations to Israel. CFI encourages all members to help campaign for parliamentary candidates and also for local council, London and European elections.
It also “fast-tracks” candidates fighting target marginal seats. Senior Conservatives try to justify the turning of would-be MPs into Zionist stooges by insisting that Israel is “a force for good in the world” and that in the battle for democratic liberal values against repression “Israel's enemies are our enemies and this is a battle in which we all stand together...”
A top Conservative Friend of Israel confidently predicted there would be no investigation by the Standards Committee, his cocksure attitude adding to the view that his like are a protected species within the Westminster village.
Security and defence are undermined
But there are deadly serious consequences. The Israel lobby is even more heavily represented at the centre of Britain's security establishment since the appointment of Kim Howells, formerly minister in charge of Middle East affairs and a one-time chairman of Labour Friends of Israel, to the chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee.
This committee has oversight of the Security Service (MI5), the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the work of the Joint Intelligence Committee and the Intelligence and Security Secretariat, which includes the Assessment Staff in the Cabinet Office. The committee also takes evidence from the Defence Intelligence Staff (DIS), part of the Ministry of Defence.
These people have access to highly classified material. How can we trust them? Another member of the committee is Sir Alan Beith, president of the Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel, whose aims and objectives are stated thus:
* To maximize support for the State of Israel not only within the Liberal Democrats but within Parliament itself.
* To influence the party’s Middle East policy.
* To liaise with Israeli politicians and government.
* To provide parliamentarians with briefing material for parliamentary debates, questions to ministers and public appearances.
* To rebut attacks on Israel in the media, Parliament and the party.
* To arrange and accompany Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel delegations to Israel.
* To keep in regular contact with the Embassy of Israel.
Other pro-Israel groups have similar objectives.
British citizens would horrified to know that Zionist tentacles have spread everywhere in Westminster and that our most important security bodies – the Intelligence and Security Committee, Foreign Affairs Committee and Defence Committee – are all chaired by Israel flag-wavers. They inhibit a proper British response on issues such as the cruel and unlawful blockade of Gaza, and more recently the 22 days of lethal terror unleashed by Israel in an attempt to crush the trapped and half-starved men, women and children of the Gaza Strip.
Cameron has painted himself into a corner by declaring he’s a Zionist, leaving one to wonder if he actually knows the meaning of the word and all the nastiness it implies. His ideas about the situation in the Middle East seem confused. Take this gem:
"The West has to understand that there isn’t an equivalence between a democratically elected government of Israel, a state of Israel that is a democracy, that’s a member of the United Nations, that has a totally legitimate right to exist and defend itself – there is no equivalence between that and a group like Hamas..."
Hamas was democratically elected in 2006. Why not acknowledge and respect that? Israel, of course, is no Western-style democracy but a racist ethnocracy. It flouts dozens of UN resolutions and defies international law. Its every act is designed to make the illegal occupation permanent and realize the Zionist dream of a “Greater Israel” at the expense of world peace.
The Israeli cabinet has just approved a draft law to ban Palestinians from marking the Naqba – the "catastrophe" of 1948 widely regarded as the Palestinians’ holocaust, when the state of Israel was declared and some 700,000 were subjected to an Israeli campaign of terror and ethnic cleansing, and subsequently lost their homes and lands, including the land on which the much-mentioned town of Sderot was later built. To this day, they and their descendants, an estimated 4.5 million, have been denied the right to return to their homes.
And the Israeli gestapo this week closed down the Palestine Festival of Literature, sponsored by the British Council. Does any of this sound like the work of a democratic government, Mr Cameron? Do you seriously think your party is fit to govern if it aligns with an apartheid regime that has no regard for the rights of others or for the sanctity of human life, and uses depleted uranium and white phosphorus bombs against civilians in densely populated areas?
Did you and your colleagues learn nothing from Gaza 2009?
And how does it look, standing shoulder to shoulder with religious fanatics who horribly persecute the Christian communities in the Holy Land? Why do you condemn Palestinian resistance when Israelis are killing Palestinians at the rate of nearly 12 to 1? Why insist that they “recognize” Israel while Israel’s boot is on their necks?
Prime Minister Gordon Brown's conduct is equally odd. Brown, like Blair before him, also seems indifferent to the 90 years of British betrayal and the Palestinians’ present plight. He was "delighted" when invited to become a patron of the Jewish National Fund (JNF) in the UK. Set up to help establish a Jews-only state in Arab Palestine, the JNF is a principal tool for Israel's programme of land theft. The JNF’s constitution requires it to benefit Jews exclusively; therefore, it promotes and implements policies that discriminate against the Arab population of Israel.
The JNF stands accused of ethnic cleansing, the destruction of hundreds of Palestinian villages and the expropriation of Palestinian land on a massive scale – war crimes in anyone’s language. And yet – can you believe it – Cameron too has become a patron.
It is not enough for party leaders to sack a few scoundrels, reduce a few perks and claim to have cleaned up the system. There’s a mountain of mucking out to do before the British parliamentary system can call itself “fit for purpose”.
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Show me a security video of the event, or a guard who would open the door for a looney with a gun
This stinks of set up start to finish
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rodin Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: |
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TonyGosling wrote: | I don't think the museum guards will be trained to deal with an armed attack. |
I read MSM report that guard had kindly invited the gentleman in and opened the door for him. What kind of guard does not notice a rifle being carried? What kind of guard would be posted @ a HOLOCAUST (tm) museum do you think?
Looking for the original 'opened door' link - maybe it has already been memory holed _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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Just wandering around a few of these links and seeing the comments written, I am always amazed by people's eagerness to believe the media - even those who know 9/11 was staged. Then again I had no reason to doubt Columbine was just 2 shooters gone mad until I realised what all the eye-witness reports were saying.
We know "they" have the ability to stage such an event as this, we can see that the event has been used in the propaganda war thus we must keep an open mind as to any and all "facts" presented to us via the media. |
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KP50 wrote: | Just wandering around a few of these links and seeing the comments written, I am always amazed by people's eagerness to believe the media - even those who know 9/11 was staged. Then again I had no reason to doubt Columbine was just 2 shooters gone mad until I realised what all the eye-witness reports were saying.
We know "they" have the ability to stage such an event as this, we can see that the event has been used in the propaganda war thus we must keep an open mind as to any and all "facts" presented to us via the media. |
What is truth about Columbine? _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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Quote: | The Exploitation Of The Holocaust Museum Shooting
June 11, 5:33 PM · 19 comments
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The recent murder of a security guard in the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. by James Von Brunn was immediately exploited by many political pundits and organizations to further their political agendas. Left-wing partisans used the tragedy to bash Conservatives and blamed it on right-wing talk radio. Front Page magazine, a Neo-con publication tried to claim the man was a leftist. Fox News Pundit Glen Beck used the event to compare 9/11 truthers to terrorist and called for war against Iran by comparing the shooter to Iran's President Ahmadinejad. Partisan Republican talk show host Rush Limbaugh went as far as to blame the mans actions on the Obama administration policies. Rabbi Dr. Morton H. Pomerantz blamed President Obama for creating a climate of anti-semitism.
Bonnie Erbe who is an editor for US News & World Report and hosts PBS's weekly news analysis program wrote a recent article titled "Round Up Hate Promoters Now, Before Any More Holocaust Museum Attacks", where she said "isn't it time we started rounding up promoters of hate before they kill?"
The man who committed the murder fits the ideal profile of individuals groups like the Anti-Defamation League and Southern Poverty Center go after. These organizations have tried to connect those who are against Zionism, immigration, Globalism, and the Federal Reserve as well as 9/11 truthers with racist and terrorist. This individual was a perfect poster boy for their agenda since he shared all those views, while at the same time committed an act of violence and held strong hatred against Jews and non-whites. The ADL and SPLC have kept a file on the individual over a long period of time.
White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said, "never let a crisis go to waste." Just like 9/11 was exploited by the Neo-cons to pass the Patriot Act and wage war against Iraq this tragedy will likely be exploited to push further gun control and thought crime legislation. The Federal Government also used the Oklahoma City bombing to crack down on civil liberties and demonize the patriot movement. The Holocaust has also been exploited to excuse Israel's oppression of the Palestinians in order to preserve Israel's Jewish demographic majority while at the same time demonizing European and American Nationalist who want to stop immigration. ... ... ... |
http://www.examiner.com/x-9462-LA-Ron-Paul-Examiner~y2009m6d11-The-pol itical-expoitation-of-the-tragedy-at-the-Holocaust-Museum
Columbine? Many theories, now converging. Try scroogling 'Columbine MK-ULTRA' ? _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
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rodin wrote: | KP50 wrote: | Just wandering around a few of these links and seeing the comments written, I am always amazed by people's eagerness to believe the media - even those who know 9/11 was staged. Then again I had no reason to doubt Columbine was just 2 shooters gone mad until I realised what all the eye-witness reports were saying.
We know "they" have the ability to stage such an event as this, we can see that the event has been used in the propaganda war thus we must keep an open mind as to any and all "facts" presented to us via the media. |
What is truth about Columbine? |
In simple terms, the eye-witness accounts taken immediately after the event mention many other shooters, some of them by name. This video covers it pretty well :-
http://blip.tv/play/AdO9VInDUg
Once the official story doesn't match the facts, you of course wonder about the murky involvement of the security services and of course you wonder why the MSM never question the official "facts". |
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Quote: | White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said, "never let a crisis go to waste." Just like 9/11 was exploited by the Neo-cons to pass the Patriot Act and wage war against Iraq this tragedy will likely be exploited to push further gun control and thought crime legislation. The Federal Government also used the Oklahoma City bombing to crack down on civil liberties and demonize the patriot movement. |
Remember when 911 was a good day to release bad news? Who said that again?
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Jo Moore
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1358985/Sept-11-a-good-day-to-b ury-bad-news.html _________________ Belief is the Enemy of Truth www.dissential.com |
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item7 wrote: | An interesting development in this issue by way of a smear on 9/11 truthers from Glen Beck... |
http://www.timesargus.com/article/20090620/OPINION02/906200304
Quote: | TV personality and Fox News commentator Glenn Beck recently lumped those of us who claim to be part of the 9/11 Truth Movement in the same category as James W. Von Brunn, the man accused of murdering a guard at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC. It's a strange leap of logic, but 9/11 discussions rarely elicit logical thinking.
Here is a fact that we do know: All three buildings in New York collapsed at free fall speed. This is verified by both video footage and by seismic readings taken at Columbia University. The official version of events is that WTC 1 and 2 collapsed because fire from the jet collisions weakened the structure causing the top section to fall to the next lower level which collapsed. (WTC 7 is said to have collapsed solely from fires started by falling debris.) This is known as the pancake theory. Floor upon floor collapses to the level below all the way down.
But for this to happen at free fall speed, the laws of physics would have had to be suspended. The law of Conservation of Momentum says essentially that a motion will not change unless an external force acts upon it. Therefore, a moving object that encounters resistance will be slowed. Can you think of any instance where this wouldn't be true? So if the WTC buildings were pancaking down, they would have encountered resistance the entire route of descent. Free fall speed would have been impossible. The only possible explanation that would legitimize the pancake theory would be that resistance had been removed. Hmmm.
We don't know if the events of 9/11 were planned by anyone in government, or if they were executed by some entity outside government. We do know that the laws of physics can't be suspended. That should be enough to make anyone question the official version of events.
Larry Gilbert
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