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| Quote: | | This is the same for pharma drugs as well as homeopathic ones |
Homeopathic remedies don't have side effects. They can have temporary aggravations and sometimes displacements of symptoms in either a curative or non-curative way
In the end, though they either cure or ameliorate symptoms, or they don't if inappropriate. They never damage.
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| paul wright wrote: | | Quote: | | This is the same for pharma drugs as well as homeopathic ones |
Homeopathic remedies don't have side effects. They can have temporary aggravations and sometimes displacements of symptoms in either a curative or non-curative way
In the end, though they either cure or ameliorate symptoms, or they don't if inappropriate. They never damage. |
I don't wish to get into another argument but homeopathic treatments can lead to damage. St John's Wort for instance can have adverse effects on blood pressure and the skin's tolerance to sunlight along with many other harmful outcomes. Long term use of Guarana can lead to fertility and heart problems as well as cancer. Prolonged ingestion of Ginseng can disrupt the menstrual cycle. Certain plant remedies react with over the counter painkillers and can lead to death which is about as permanent as any damage can be (although of course the problem here is due to the mixture of drugs not the homeopathic one)
It depends of course on the patient as I said. The patient's diet, medical history, general health and so on must all be taken into consideration to prevent harm.
But I agree, synthetic pharmaceutical drugs can destroy the body in far more sinister ways. |
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| James C wrote: | | paul wright wrote: | | Quote: | | This is the same for pharma drugs as well as homeopathic ones |
Homeopathic remedies don't have side effects. They can have temporary aggravations and sometimes displacements of symptoms in either a curative or non-curative way
In the end, though they either cure or ameliorate symptoms, or they don't if inappropriate. They never damage. |
I don't wish to get into another argument but homeopathic treatments can lead to damage. St John's Wort for instance can have adverse effects on blood pressure and the skin's tolerance to sunlight along with many other harmful outcomes. Long term use of Guarana can lead to fertility and heart problems as well as cancer. Prolonged ingestion of Ginseng can disrupt the menstrual cycle. Certain plant remedies react with over the counter painkillers and can lead to death which is about as permanent as any damage can be (although of course the problem here is due to the mixture of drugs not the homeopathic one)
It depends of course on the patient as I said. The patient's diet, medical history, general health and so on must all be taken into consideration to prevent harm.
But I agree, synthetic pharmaceutical drugs can destroy the body in far more sinister ways. |
You're referring here to substantial herbal remedies, though at least 2 are also in the homeopathic materia medica
Homeopathic remedies rely on the energy signature of the plant/animal/mineral/other substance rather than the drug effects of a substantial dose. Usually the chemical constituents are infinitessimal or completely absent.
Therefore they can not produce side effects, nor can they, according to the "bad science" crew such as fake "Professor of Complementary Medicine", Edward Ernst, or Skeptic journalist Ben Goldacre, produce any effect whatsoever.
Get your facts right
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| paul wright wrote: | | James C wrote: | | paul wright wrote: | | Quote: | | This is the same for pharma drugs as well as homeopathic ones |
Homeopathic remedies don't have side effects. They can have temporary aggravations and sometimes displacements of symptoms in either a curative or non-curative way
In the end, though they either cure or ameliorate symptoms, or they don't if inappropriate. They never damage. |
I don't wish to get into another argument but homeopathic treatments can lead to damage. St John's Wort for instance can have adverse effects on blood pressure and the skin's tolerance to sunlight along with many other harmful outcomes. Long term use of Guarana can lead to fertility and heart problems as well as cancer. Prolonged ingestion of Ginseng can disrupt the menstrual cycle. Certain plant remedies react with over the counter painkillers and can lead to death which is about as permanent as any damage can be (although of course the problem here is due to the mixture of drugs not the homeopathic one)
It depends of course on the patient as I said. The patient's diet, medical history, general health and so on must all be taken into consideration to prevent harm.
But I agree, synthetic pharmaceutical drugs can destroy the body in far more sinister ways. |
You're referring here to substantial herbal remedies, though at least 2 are also in the homeopathic materia medica
Homeopathic remedies rely on the energy signature of the plant/animal/mineral/other substance rather than the drug effects of a substantial dose. Usually the chemical constituents are infinitessimal or completely absent.
Therefore they can not produce side effects, nor can they, according to the "bad science" crew such as fake "Professor of Complementary Medicine", Edward Ernst, or Skeptic journalist Ben Goldacre, produce any effect whatsoever.
Get your facts right |
Homeopathic remedies can be obtained in different ways and in different forms just as standard pharmacy drugs can. St John's Wort is available over the counter as a homeopathic cure and sold without any medical advice in a form which contains a 'substantial' percentage of hypericin. I used it for a year to cope with mild depression when I gave up drinking back in 2003 and I remember the included guidance note discussing possible side effects, none of which occurred. I've also recently finished a three month course of ciprofloxacin which according to the homeopathic world is a particularly dangerous drug. It cured me of my problem and as with St John's Wort I developed none of the possible side effects as described in the guidance notes.
As you say, for the products you are referring to, the signature or memory concept basically means there is little if nothing of the active ingredient in the recipe except for water or vegetable matter and binding agents. And this is why they are so contentious. These homeopathic remedies are no better than placebos and equivalent to asking for a glass of orange juice but being given water. No wonder there are no side effects if the active ingredients are missing. Of course placebos can work but more often than not they don't and will leave the patient confused and at square one which is why homeopathy won't be for everyone and will not cure all. Still, the manufacturers of homeopathic products will continue to make fat profits just as all drug companies do. And their propaganda to promote these drugs will be equally effective and dubious.
There was a discussion about this subject on Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 a couple of months ago. The most interesting aspect came from the listener's own experiences which were both good and bad. However, a fair number of people claimed to have reacted poorly to the over the counter remedies being sold as homeopathic alternatives. |
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| Quote: | | the signature or memory concept basically means there is little if nothing of the active ingredient |
Ever thought about taking a homeopathic remedy company to court for fraudulent selling?
They sell a particular plant remedy but under testing it the remedy is found to contain nothing at all. Having been supposedly diluted to a level where the original substance can no longer be traced in the remedy
The early founder of homeopathic stuff i believe was a Dr Hanneman who (considered by some people) used some hocus pocus methods in producing his remedies.
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| James C wrote: | | paul wright wrote: | | James C wrote: | | paul wright wrote: | | Quote: | | This is the same for pharma drugs as well as homeopathic ones |
Homeopathic remedies don't have side effects. They can have temporary aggravations and sometimes displacements of symptoms in either a curative or non-curative way
In the end, though they either cure or ameliorate symptoms, or they don't if inappropriate. They never damage. |
I don't wish to get into another argument but homeopathic treatments can lead to damage. St John's Wort for instance can have adverse effects on blood pressure and the skin's tolerance to sunlight along with many other harmful outcomes. Long term use of Guarana can lead to fertility and heart problems as well as cancer. Prolonged ingestion of Ginseng can disrupt the menstrual cycle. Certain plant remedies react with over the counter painkillers and can lead to death which is about as permanent as any damage can be (although of course the problem here is due to the mixture of drugs not the homeopathic one)
It depends of course on the patient as I said. The patient's diet, medical history, general health and so on must all be taken into consideration to prevent harm.
But I agree, synthetic pharmaceutical drugs can destroy the body in far more sinister ways. |
You're referring here to substantial herbal remedies, though at least 2 are also in the homeopathic materia medica
Homeopathic remedies rely on the energy signature of the plant/animal/mineral/other substance rather than the drug effects of a substantial dose. Usually the chemical constituents are infinitessimal or completely absent.
Therefore they can not produce side effects, nor can they, according to the "bad science" crew such as fake "Professor of Complementary Medicine", Edward Ernst, or Skeptic journalist Ben Goldacre, produce any effect whatsoever.
Get your facts right |
Homeopathic remedies can be obtained in different ways and in different forms just as standard pharmacy drugs can. St John's Wort is available over the counter as a homeopathic cure and sold without any medical advice in a form which contains a 'substantial' percentage of hypericin. I used it for a year to cope with mild depression when I gave up drinking back in 2003 and I remember the included guidance note discussing possible side effects, none of which occurred. I've also recently finished a three month course of ciprofloxacin which according to the homeopathic world is a particularly dangerous drug. It cured me of my problem and as with St John's Wort I developed none of the possible side effects as described in the guidance notes.
As you say, for the products you are referring to, the signature or memory concept basically means there is little if nothing of the active ingredient in the recipe except for water or vegetable matter and binding agents. And this is why they are so contentious. These homeopathic remedies are no better than placebos and equivalent to asking for a glass of orange juice but being given water. No wonder there are no side effects if the active ingredients are missing. Of course placebos can work but more often than not they don't and will leave the patient confused and at square one which is why homeopathy won't be for everyone and will not cure all. Still, the manufacturers of homeopathic products will continue to make fat profits just as all drug companies do. And their propaganda to promote these drugs will be equally effective and dubious.
There was a discussion about this subject on Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 a couple of months ago. The most interesting aspect came from the listener's own experiences which were both good and bad. However, a fair number of people claimed to have reacted poorly to the over the counter remedies being sold as homeopathic alternatives. |
Let me make it quite clear. If you buy something over the counter called St John's Wort, you are buying a herbal remedy. If you are buying it as a homeopathic preparation, you will most likely be buying it as Hypericum.
The herbal and homeopathic materia medica will have some similarities for treatment usage and a lot of differences. For instance the herbal usage will be for depression. The main clinical homeopathic use is for puncture wounds, including ill effects of vaccination. Its only use for depression is following puncture wounds or nerve injury.
There's a world of difference, and conflating the two treatment philosophies causes only confusion
Saying that homeopathic treatment is nothing more than the placebo effect, betrays willful ignorance and servitude to now mostly outdated scientific thought, which still holds stay, because it controls the population.
I would say, James, that if you've taken a course of Cipro, that Donald Rumsfeld related toxin,-remember the anthrax panic- you've embedded a disease pattern in your body, which while it may produce no obvious immediate effects, will in the longer term compromise your immune system, deepen the level of whatever sickness it was aimed at, dull your brain and increase your compliance. You need to investigate ways of counteracting its long-term effects
A few 1M doses of ciprofloxacin as a homeopathic (isopathic ,correctly)treatment might be a start
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http://knowthecause.com/Shows/TullioSimonciniMDWithDougKaufmann/tabid/ 109/Default.aspx
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Until 2007, I didn't know Italian cancer specialist, Tullio Simoncini, M.D., nor did he know me. Seemingly worlds apart, we were on identical paths; unlike millions of cancer researchers before us, we discovered the cause of cancer. Then God placed us together and a most amazing interview ensued.
Watch now as this millennium's most important cancer discovery is told. Then please send it to loved ones who need this information. Tell everyone you know to sign up for our free newsletter, because the information is simply too important to be without the next time you find yourself in a hospital or doctor's office. |
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| item7 wrote: | http://knowthecause.com/Shows/TullioSimonciniMDWithDougKaufmann/tabid/ 109/Default.aspx
| Quote: | Tullio Simoncini M.D. with Doug Kaufmann, Host of Know the Cause
A MUST SEE for everyone who believes that cancer is a mysterious disease!
Until 2007, I didn't know Italian cancer specialist, Tullio Simoncini, M.D., nor did he know me. Seemingly worlds apart, we were on identical paths; unlike millions of cancer researchers before us, we discovered the cause of cancer. Then God placed us together and a most amazing interview ensued.
Watch now as this millennium's most important cancer discovery is told. Then please send it to loved ones who need this information. Tell everyone you know to sign up for our free newsletter, because the information is simply too important to be without the next time you find yourself in a hospital or doctor's office. |
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But cancer isn't a mysterious disease, it's caused by cells growing uncontrollably. Dr Simoncini isn't expressing anything new here, cancer can be caused by many different things such as infections (including fungus), chemicals, radiation and so on. ALL animals can get cancer. It affects all living things. Life forms are complex machines and can go wrong. Our bodies and cells are under attack everyday even by ordinary food. Our bodies undergo constant renewal as our cells die and are replaced with new ones. Occasionally, the new cells and tissue grow as mutations, particularly in areas of damage due to disease or infection and most of us will have growths at some stage in our lives even if we don't know it. It's when these mutations grow uncontrollably, i.e., they become malignant, that it becomes a problem. The mystery is more to do with finding cures for the various cancers without having to use chemo and radiotherapy. That's what cancer research is all about.
There, mystery solved. But in case you don't believe it I would suggest stocking up on Arm & Hammer baking soda as Dr Simoncini suggests. |
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| Quote: | | in case you don't believe it I would suggest stocking up on Arm & Hammer baking soda as Dr Simoncini suggests. |
I have no need to. I do not have cancer. I just thought the video was interesting.
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| fish5133 wrote: | | Quote: | | the signature or memory concept basically means there is little if nothing of the active ingredient |
Ever thought about taking a homeopathic remedy company to court for fraudulent selling?
They sell a particular plant remedy but under testing it the remedy is found to contain nothing at all. Having been supposedly diluted to a level where the original substance can no longer be traced in the remedy
The early founder of homeopathic stuff i believe was a Dr Hanneman who (considered by some people) used some hocus pocus methods in producing his remedies. |
Hocus pocus? I presume you're referring to the processes of trituration and successive succusion and dilution. Admittedly methods drawn by Hahnemann from medical alchemist Paracelsus .
It may not make sense to you fish, if you havent sensed the energy field to which it relates or studied the actual philosophy and history.
You'd have a hard job taking homeopathic pharmacies to court, as the field still has royal patronage from the house of Windsor, not least in Charles's appointment of Ainsworths pharmacy, though I note they've taken the royal crests off the renewed Ainsworths website, which were there until quite recently.
Still, the Royals are pretty dumb, eh?, they don't have any real wealth and power, the Queen having her own appointed homeopathic physician from the College, well that's stupid,- or - they understand how things actually work, from their own "illumination", perhaps
(ps Fish, you say plants - the homeopathic materia medica is drawn from the animal,vegetable and mineral kingdoms, plus "imponderables" which belong to nothing of substance. To constantly refer to plants and herbs is to distort the subject)
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| Quote: | In the March 11 entry - 11 days before Jade died - she wrote: "My husband is so lovely to me. He cleans my teeth, he changes my underwear, washes me gently with a flannel. The nurse showed him how to lift me gently. I could feel him putting his hands under me so lightly. I feel all bony now, but he didn't hurt me at all."
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Hi All.
Well with the coming flu scam pushing closer to the now announced forced vaccinations beginning September 28th, I think James C and his missis will be quids in... Unless of course as James portrays, his wife is such a great soul she is refusing to administer the vaccinations?
71% of GP's are refusing to take the vaccine, yet they are happy to give it to you....
When this scam is over and demolished we will not forget the evil minds of these so called doctors who care about money certainly not our health.
Potential mass murdering Nazis is about the kindest thought one could possibly have for the GP's and all the medical mafia.
Just on the fact they have allowed this madness to go on is enough for my mind for a trip to the hangman's noose, the question is...how much better would the world be without Frankensteins angels?
I can say this without any doubt, children would never get cancer, diabetes, asmah, adhd, because it is the GP's who pass on our children to the psychopathic Psychiatrists.
Full study here :
http://www.lifeinthemixtalk.com/?cat=58
We are in the midst of yet another medical mafia plague, Squaline kids, human destruction
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