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 Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: Simon from We Are Change UK is member of MI6 family |
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It’s long been suspected they have friends in high places, but only now has a member of We Are Change UK’s MI6 connections been publicly revealed.
The WAC UK member in question is named as Simon, who is a ‘very’ close relative of a high ranking MI6 official. Simon has been one of We Are Change’s leading activists as seen in many of their youtube campaign clips.
Proving that Andy B, Gareth Newnham, Toseef and the core of WAC were carefully selected.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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So is that Guilt by Relation then?
Or is there more less circumstantial evidence? |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Guilt by relation and nepotism.
Not just an MOD worker, this is a high ranking senior MI6 official.
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I had a look at your evidence Chi, there isn't really any.
I repect WAC, just because Simon is related to an MI5/6 agent, doesn't really mean he has to be one eh?
I'm related to a conservative, yet I still don't harbour support for them. |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | What I find most peculiar is that the only people who managed to track down and doorstep creepy Peter Power were the people you accuse of working for MI6.
I wonder if you can explain that one? |
Its long been known that We Are Change UK have friends in high places.
I only exposed the fact that Simon is closely related to a senior high ranking M16 official.
| TonyGosling wrote: | | I'd be suprised if you don't find yourself on the receiving end of a libel action Daniel. |
So be it... then I'll have to reveal my source if its a court of law.
Those named will be called to give evidence. You can't argue with DNA tests nowadays.
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| eogz wrote: | I had a look at your evidence Chi, there isn't really any.
I repect WAC, just because Simon is related to an MI5/6 agent, doesn't really mean he has to be one eh?
I'm related to a conservative, yet I still don't harbour support for them. |
I said MI6... specifically.
I respect We Are Change USA
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| Chi_of_life wrote: | | TonyGosling wrote: | What I find most peculiar is that the only people who managed to track down and doorstep creepy Peter Power were the people you accuse of working for MI6.
I wonder if you can explain that one? |
Its long been known that We Are Change UK have friends in high places. |
By who? This seems to be your answer to every un-substantiated claim you make - "everybody knows". Well it's only you who's saying it Daniel so it's you who has to provide evidence to be taken seriously.
| Quote: | | I only exposed the fact that Simon is closely related to a senior high ranking M16 official. |
When's your birthday Daniel? I'll get you a dictionary so you can finally understand the difference between the term "accused" and "exposed".
I don't know if one of Simon's relatives works for MI6, I'll ask him when I next see him but I don't see how this means anything. I know from my experience this guy is more like a super hero than an activist - I have never met someone so morally aligned and fearless in their activism.
And I have seen him arrested many times, contrary to your claims he is "protected" in some way.
Most glaringly - you don't even make a case for this being true. I'm not going to stand here and say it's not because I simply don't know. But I do find it interesting that you don't give the name of the supposed MI6 relative or provide proof that Simon is related to him.
If if you did it would be meaningless but you don't even do this.
| TonyGosling wrote: | | I'd be suprised if you don't find yourself on the receiving end of a libel action Daniel. |
So be it... then I'll have to reveal my source if its a court of law.
Those named will be called to give evidence. You can't argue with DNA tests nowadays.
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Last time when he was being asked for evidence he assured everyone "hard physical evidence" would be presented at his talk in London.
Now that talk has happened, and as verefied by Ian Fantom who is not a member of WAC, no evidence was presented.
Instead he had printed off a load of photos of us from our myspace and facebook pages and repeated his accusations while holding them up.
What he has also failed to do is demonstrate how any of us have actually done any damage to the campaign, which Daniel himself is clearly doing with his ever erratic behaviour.
Daniel, do you realise that a good few of the people you walked up to and put your phone camera right in the face of and took photos of when they were talking to me I'd actually never met and were at the talk in support of you?
Chose very carefully when you decide which ones you decide to put on your blog as MOD agents, because you risk completely breaking the illusion of credibility you still have with your die hard fans.... Good luck.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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What is Simon's surname?
What is the name of this relative?
You don't have to divulge your 'source' to say this.
Do you have any supporting evidence that you are willing to put in the public domain that supports your account of July 7, because as far as I can tell we are all supposed to take your extremely poorly written, part factual - part fictional account of events on faith?
Excuse the impertance of the question but I'm very sceptical of any single source 'evidence' and you are sending my bs meter off the scale. |
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Andrew Johnson wrote:-
| Quote: | | Those who wish to ignore evidence are, of course, free to do so. But please bear in mind that this is exactly what the 9/11 commission did - and this is the main reason why they are now held in such low regard by more and more people. |
I think that Daniel does have legitimate concerns about infiltration of the 911 truth movement and that KBO's summation is imo spot on.
Daniel your point about Simon being a relative of an MI6 agent is imo relevant and mirrors that of another 911 activist who I worked with on 911 truth campaigning who informed me his dad worked in London and although he did not specifically say so he made it obvious that it was for the intelligence services. May of course been feeding me with bullshine and trying to set me up but the truth is that is what he stated.
Focus on what you are aiming to achieve Daniel and dont succumb to adopting their usual establishment tactic of playing the man not the ball.
Great to meet you at last months BC group conference Daniel where I again invited you to tell us what you witnessed on 7/7 at a future New Horizons meeting at St Annes.
Until we have heard what you have to tell us and we can ask you questions we cannot possibly obtain the evidence to enable us to make an informed judgement.
I agree it is indeed disrespectful to slag off a 7/7 survivor.
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On the other hand it might be useful having a high ranking relative in MI5/6.
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| TonyGosling wrote: | Stefan,
You are rising to the bait.
Better to persue the legal route if you feel that it's worth bad mouthing a 7/7 victim for. |
You're right Tony, except about bad mouthing a 7/7 victim. There's no bad mouthing involved, except from the alledged 7/7 victim.
And no I don't think participating in a corrupt legal system is a possitive route to follow either.
I think people are starting to cotton on to the fact he is talking sh|t anyway now so there's little need for me to continue to be involved.
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| Stefan wrote: | | I think people are starting to cotton on to the fact he is talking sh|t anyway now so there's little need for me to continue to be involved. |
https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/07/433641.html
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Why all of a sudden is a person entitled ot respect because they are a 7/7 survivor?
I would assume that everyone is entitled to that right.
I'm sure you all agree, it just seems that in the last few posts that the intonation was daniels warranted more respect?
| Quote: | | Pikey wrote....I agree it is indeed disrespectful to slag off a 7/7 survivor. |
Erm..... I'm not very good at the whole quote box thing |
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Does anybody actually believe Daniel was even on the bus. Have a look at this reports. Why did he not mention he was on the bus? His book is contradictory according to everyone I know who's bothered to read it. Obachike is a fraud and a charlatan trying to make money off the pain of others. I will be investigating his compensation claims and will hand over anything I find to the police.
| Quote: | Many of those caught up in the bombings did not want to talk about the anniversary, saying they were trying to put what happened behind them.
Daniel Obachike, 34, from Finsbury Park, attended the King's Cross event to pay tribute to his best friend, Christian Njoya Diawara Small, who died in the blast.
He said: "It was a low-key ceremony and there are many of us who believe more could have been done in the aftermath."
He added: "I suppose it is of some consolation that figureheads have arrived to recognise us. I was with Christian the morning before he died - and obviously today feels particularly poignant."
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I'm kin of getting tired of hearing this argument, which as it seems from thew other thread and this one is going no where.
I DON'T CARE OF SIMON'S RELATIVE IS AN MI6 AGENT OR NOT.
It just doesn't matter....
My relatives are dubious, I'm not them....
This must be equally embarrising for Simon's realtive.... The MI6 agent wth a radical relative.
What is this serving other than to further fracture the truth movement, which is bolldy enough as it is.... |
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Nobody is asking the mods to intervene.
There is some element of confusion about all of this and the focus of personal attacks that is unsavoury.
Like everyone I am just giving an opinion on the matter, after all that is all we serve to do on this site. |
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Tony, as usual you back the wrong horse and show your complete lack of judgement . I have yet to see ANY evidence that Daniel Adigwe/Obachike was on that bus. His book contradicts itself, he's gave numerous interviews at a memorial service without once mentioning he was on the bus.(not only that, he claims a friend died on the bus and he'd seen him the day before he died putting him nowhere near the bus on 7/7) Typically though people just swallow and regurgitate the nonsense without using any sort of critical thinking so long as it fits into what they want to believe.
Until I see any evidence of Daniel on the bus I will have to put him down as either a fantacist suffering mental problems or something more sinister. I am more than happy to be proved wrong but doubt it will happen.
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Come on Tony, do you really think he would not have mentioned it to the press who would have clamoured to talk to a 'survivor' and included it in their reports to add weight.
the bloke is a fraud yet you act like his cheerleader, letting him post more and more rubbish as the days go by and then have a go at those he accuses when they defend themselves. Take a step back and look at this from a neutral point of view, although I'm sure you'll find that a difficult exercise.
I'll say it again Daniel Adigwe/Obachike is a fraud, either a mentally ill fraud or an intelligence fraud. Prove me wrong by showing me ANY form of evidence he was on the No 30 bus. Or you can just keep defending him and see what little credibility you have left disappear.
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Hi Daniel, a few questions.
1. Please could you confirm just how many members of WAC you "believe" to be hand picked by MOD/Mi6 which I would assume are different organizations.
So far I have counted 6/7.
2. Just how did a group of people who decided to get out of meetings and onto the street, using the WAC style from the US as a platform damage the UK truth movement as I fail to see your point?
3. What do you hope to achieve?
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| andyb wrote: | Come on Tony, do you really think he would not have mentioned it to the press who would have clamoured to talk to a 'survivor' and included it in their reports to add weight.
the bloke is a fraud yet you act like his cheerleader, letting him post more and more rubbish as the days go by and then have a go at those he accuses when they defend themselves. Take a step back and look at this from a neutral point of view, although I'm sure you'll find that a difficult exercise.
I'll say it again Daniel Adigwe/Obachike is a fraud, either a mentally ill fraud or an intelligence fraud. Prove me wrong by showing me ANY form of evidence he was on the No 30 bus. Or you can just keep defending him and see what little credibility you have left disappear. |
Simon's MI6 connection,... Stefan's strange truth buddies.
Andy B you started all of this... your lasse faire attitude towards the truth. Now you want to do a conspiracy files job on a 7/7 survivor and eye witness... confirming it. Go ahead.
Stefan control your man, he's losing it.
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