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 Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: Cabinet ISC 7/7 Intel. failure report - MI5 'not to blame' |
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Billed under this on Radio 4's Today programme this morning,we had two J7 survivors:
Beverly Rhodes (sp) injured at Kings Cross,and an ex Security Consultant
specialising in Counter Terrorism.
and
Veronica Sing(h) (sp) an ex PA injured at Kings Cross also, and suffering from PTSD.
Does anyone have any history on these people,especially Beverly with the interesting job profile?
If you have BBC i Player this can be heard when scrolling to the 1 hour
22 minutes (and 40 seconds) from here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00kcprv/Today_18_05_2009/
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Report due on July 7 intelligence
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It is expected that the findings of an investigation by the Intelligence and Security Committee, which will be published by the Prime Minister later, will clear security services of missing chances to prevent the bombings.
In a previous report in 2006, the ISC revealed that bombers Shehzad Tanweer and Mohammed Sidique Khan were known to the security services but were not investigated.
However, it said it was "understandable" that a full probe was not launched.
But questions were raised after new information came out in subsequent terror trials and victims have called for a full public inquiry in to what was known before the attacks took place.
Rachel North, who was injured in the attack, said an inquiry similar to the US 9/11 report was needed to learn the lessons of what happened.
Tory MP David Davis called for an "excruciatingly detailed" public examination of all the evidence.
Chris Driver-Williams, a former senior IED analyst for the Defence Intelligence Staff, said there was an "information vortex" in the immediate aftermath of the attacks, which killed 52 innocent people and injured hundreds more.
He also revealed that his claim of an al-Qaeda link with the attackers was initially met with laughter.
One senior intelligence officer attending the Cobra meeting said the idea of an al-Qaeda link was "absurd".
Mr Driver-Williams said: "When I suggested this at Cobra, I was met with laughter. This was by people in the intelligence community who knew their onions."
"Someone senior from an intelligence organisation said: 'Who are you and what possibly qualifies you to come out with such an absurd statement?"'
By later that day the al-Qaeda link was widely accepted by investigators as the details of the simultaneous planned attacks became clear.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090519/tuk-report-due-on-july-7-intellige nce-dba1618.html
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:00 am Post subject: Report clears MI5 over Mohammad Sidique Khan |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8056534.stm
My comments in red. Whole roport seems a bit vague and contradictory (IMO)
| Quote: | A parliamentary committee has cleared the security service MI5 of failings over the 7/7 London suicide attacks.
The Intelligence and Security Committee report reveals in unprecedented detail what officers knew of the 2005 plot's ringleader Mohammad Sidique Khan.
But it stresses that none of the information amounted to evidence that he was a threat to national security. Was he a threat anyway?
The committee said MI5 was stretched almost to breaking point in 2004, and officers had more urgent priorities.
The committee did accept MI5's assessment that Khan knew other terrorists
But its report suggests that in 2004, a year before the attacks, MI5 was preoccupied as teams traced bomb plotters around the UK.
It reveals for the first time that during that year 52 suspects were classed as "essential targets", but MI5 did not have the manpower to watch them.
In that context, the committee said the security services' decision not to follow Khan after he had initially appeared on their radar was understandable, taking into account operational pressures. hmmm... If they accept he knew other terrorists why was he not a target of surveillance?
Fifty-two people died and hundreds were injured when Khan and three other suicide bombers attacked the London transport system.
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BBC Impartiallity, they can't say anything now can they?? Hmm smacks of a pointless service to me! Shall we pull the plug 
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Joe Bloggs in Dole Queue:
'I failed to get out of bed yesterday can I have some more money?'
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8056534.stm
Includes some footage of Khan and Tanweer apparently filmed walking past a kebab shop in east London in 2004.How is this supposed to prove anything other than apparently being in said location?
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| Quote: | | Rachel North, who was injured in the attack, said an inquiry similar to the US 9/11 report was needed to learn the lessons of what happened. |
I heard Ms North's speel on the radio this morning. "lessons to be learned" is the usual meme spouted by politicos.
Beverly Rhodes looks quite proffessional,still she would do given her job description of being an ex -Security Consultant, specialising in Counter Terrorism.
Are there any real people portrayed in the media that are not security experts,or without vested interests nowdays?
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: Letter from Muad'Dib concerning MI5/7-7 blackmail. |
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http://jforjustice.co.uk/MI5-7-7.html
| Quote: | Dear reader,
I hope this finds you well, in good spirit and having a good day.
In the light of the recent revelation by Robert Verkaik, in The Independent newspaper of Thursday 21st May 2009 *, about the modus operandi of MI5 and the U.K. police, regarding the recruitment of young Muslims to infiltrate and report on other Muslims and Muslim groups, I have been asked to comment on how that might apply to the case of the alleged 7/7 bombers, and the government statements in the recent ISC report that has been furiously rejected as a whitewash, by the families of the 7/7 victims, according to the article by Gabriel Milland in the Daily Express of the previous day, Wednesday 20th May, 2009 **.
The ISC report states that Mohammed Siddique/Sidique Khan and Shazad/Shehzad Tanweer were known about, but were not considered to be a threat to the public. If they had both been recruited to work for MI5, then MI5 would obviously not consider them to be any threat, but rather to be an asset instead of a threat.
It has been suggested by ex-members of the intelligence services that Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer could have been working for MI5, so this is not an unreasonable deduction to make, as it would explain what happened. The police also said that they did not fit the profile of suicide-bombers or terrorists. We have also been told that the mastermind behind the 7/7 bombings was Haroon Rashid Aswat, who is known to be a MI6 agent and is now in a maximum-security mental institution (to keep him from talking?).
It is possible that Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer were actually working for MI5, as informants, in the Operation CREVICE fertilizer-bomb plot case that is referred to in the ISC report, and, if so, that would account for why they were known about, but not considered to be any threat. It would also explain how they could have easily been recruited to take part in the training-drill that was taking place on 7/7/2005, and easily have been duped into making those videos.
If this was what happened, then these assets became expendable assets. It should serve as a warning to all to be very careful about co-operating with elements of State intelligence services, who; from time to time; have helped to carry out false-flag attacks upon citizens for what they presumably and mistakenly perceive as "the greater good". You should all; including members of the intelligence services and the police; ask yourselves whether you find this acceptable and not keep burying your heads in the sand. Those who are not only thinking of their next pay-cheque, and little else, already see there is something terribly wrong with government and its organs and that something needs to be done about it. They have become your controllers instead of servants of you, the people (or is it sheople?).
In order to be a successful informant, one would have to pass off as an extremist or want-to-be terrorist. In doing so, elements within the intelligence services could easily begin to gather "evidence" about you, whilst they extract information about other people from you, and then frame you and use you as a patsy at a later time. Thus killing two (or more) birds with one stone, once they become fearful of how much you know, and/or they think it is time to further advance their agenda of total control and take away more of your God-given rights.
You do not need to succumb to blackmail and impersonate terrorists in order to do your duty as a citizen. That blackmail is being attempted upon people who have done nothing wrong, demonstrates that the Source for this idea/action is not God/good/Allah. And not very Brit-ish either. Or at least it wasn't once upon a time.
The British Government keeps on running away from the demand for an open and truly independent enquiry, and that strengthens the suspicion that it has something to hide. This state of denial; coupled with the low esteem in which the government and the whole political establishment is held, in the public's mind; provides a fertile ground for all kinds of hypotheses to be put forward, and be believed. The public believes that politicians lie; it now also is convinced that they cheat and deceive. It is, therefore, or should be, in the government's interest to apologise and confess that it does run covert operations, in pursuit of political aims. The whole saga of terrorism and counter terrorism may then be seen in a different perspective.
However, THEY*** are never going to do so voluntarily, as THEY will undoubtedly be afraid of going to prison, or worse. We therefore need to increase pressure on them to force their hand.
My film "7/7 Ripple Effect" was designed to do exactly that to them, if we can get the majority of the population to watch it.
Please keep making "Ripples" so that we achieve our objective as soon as possible, before THEY do it again.
I hope that this comment will be helpful to all concerned parties.
Peace be upon you and within you,
Muad'Dib.
* http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exclusive-how-mi5-black mails-british-muslims-1688618.html
** http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/102193/Families-of-7-7-victims-fur y-at-MI5-whitewash-
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