Conspiracy Files on 7/7 London Bombings BBC2

[Andrew.]

[Prole]

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Yes i have read it Prole Thank-you. And http://jahtruth.net/koran.htm

Please see previous post to continue this topic.

[Prole]

[Andrew.]

Prole

We know the four accused were a part of the drill that one might say that it was impossible for them not be a part of the drill. So this below is, well i dont want to be unkind as you have done some research that we should all be thankful for.

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http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/j-for-justice-77-ripple-effect.html
"After examining the role played by the BBC and Peter Power in the Panorama programme 'London Under Attack' and Power's subsequent 'terror rehearsal exercise' that he was running on the 7th July 2005, examined in detail by J7 here, the 7/7 Ripple Effect film states:

“Therefore, as part of the exercise, they would have recruited four young Muslim men to carry four backpacks, that were to contain mock explosive devices.

Who were their Muslim recruits?

These Muslim men would naturally buy return train tickets, and not one-way tickets, because they would be going home after playing their parts in the training exercise”.

No evidence is produced to support this conclusion and no matter how neat and appealing this alternative scenario might be, it remains totally hypothetical and without supporting evidence. Muad'Dib goes on:"

[Prole]

[Andrew.]

http://jahtruth.net/marguide.htm THIS IS A GREAT MYSTERY
MARRIAGE GUIDANCE

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"You have absolutely no evidence for this statement, if you have evidence then we'd all be very pleased to examine it."

So they were terrorist then and six bombs went off and they made a good guess against all odds to coincide with Peter Powers Drill and one catch a certain bus? or were they on a casual day trip to London prole.


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http://july7bombing.blogspot.com/
"[A]t half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now."

See, for example, http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=2927 and
http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/55.html
(link to MP3 files of the interview)


The interviewer then asked Power if he had understood it correctly: that his company was "running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?", to which Power replied "Precisely", going on to confirm that the exercise had been taking place simultaneously with the real attacks. For more information, see

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html

[Prole]

[Andrew.]

Do you think they could be on a casual day trip Prole. Shall we go through that with occams Razzor ?

"And neither can you."

Yes we can, that one might go so far as to call it impossible for them not to have been. Come on Prole catch the bus.

[Prole]

[Andrew.]

Andrew. wrote:
Do you think they could be on a casual day trip Prole. Shall we go through that with occams Razzor ?


Prole wrote:
"There are many possible hypotheses, these and more:"


Would any of those hypotheses include the shall we say impossible odds of what happend to the four Muslims on that day please Prole ?


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Prole wrote:
"Conspiratology website, a far-right white supremacist movement that has some interesting links."

We have been here before with this Prole. On another thread would you like to compare God's Laws with Right and left wing policies laws so we can see how they are not the same.

[TonyGosling]

We need to know truth behind claims of UK complicity in terror suspect tortureAmid allegations of British complicity in 19 cases abroad, Michael White argues for the government to come clean

.........But scratch the surface of yesterday's moving ceremony for the families of the 7/7 dead and all is not well
The website of the July 7th Truth Campaign crackles with barely contained fury at what it sees as a wilful refusal of the government to hold a public inquiry into what really happened that day, the police and intelligence errors, the discrepancies in the official account, the scale of the plot four years ago yesterday.
It gets worse. Last week, BBC2's Conspiracy Files series "exposed" a man already known to conspiracy theorists as Muad Dib (the name taken from Frank Herbert's Dune novels) to be Sheffield-born John Hill (60) who lives near the Hill of Tara in County Meath and believes he is the Messiah.
Hill sports a long white beard and baseball cap for added authenticity.
What is relevant here is that Dib/Hill made the "Ripple Effect" video, which alleges that the 7 July bombings were organised by the usual suspects – Tony Blair, Whitehall, British and Israeli intelligence – to stiffen public support for the war in Iraq.
You can laugh at that, and I do. But Dib/Hill's 56-minute video is apparently doing good business among British Muslims who are reluctant to accept that the four young men who blew up themselves and 52 innocent passengers on three tube trains and a bus that day actually did it.
Dr Mohammad Naseem, the chairman of Birmingham's central mosque, is among the doubters and has circulated several thousand copies among his congregation. That's his right, foolish though the action seems to be.
Vicars and church wardens can be as daft as life's Bernie Ecclestones. And, as David Aaronovitch explains in his new book, Voodoo Histories, the internet is an enormous machine for promulgating conspiracy nonsense, sending it spinning around the world at the click of a mouse: 9/11, JFK's assassination and (a new one this) how Jimi Hendrix was murdered by his manager.
The aforementioned J7 campaign has already condemned the Ripple Effect as "unsubstantiated speculation" and the BBC's Conspiracy Files as "risible".
In its stern, unforgiving way, it concentrates on the known facts and known oddities like the official assertion (later corrected) that the four bombers caught the 7.40 from Luton on 7 July 2005 when that train was cancelled that day.........
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2009/jul/08/pakistan-terrorist -torture

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[Prole]

[Andrew.]

Prole wrote:

"I was also frustrated and angered that 7/7 Ripple Effect allowed the BBC off the hook in asking the really difficult questions."

"ie Instead of Richard Jones being questioned about his description of the man who was fiddling with his rucksack on the bottom deck of the bus, a man who bore no resemblance to Hasib, he is questioned on whether he blew up the bus in association with Kingstar (an assertion that is made by 7/7 RE)."



The 7/7 Ripple Effect asks many questions about Richard Jones Prole.

Such as "the bombing suspect was right in my face" The sunday mail

See transcript or video @ 33:42 mins


One was about his statement in The sun news paper.

"I got of the bus because it had reached its destitation"


"Another strange statement he made, to The Sun Newspaper, reported in the 8th July 2005 edition, is that he got off the bus, because he had reached his destination. How could he possibly have reached his destination, on a bus that had been diverted from its normal route, unless he was part of the mock-terrorism exercise team, and got off the bus, as planned, in Tavistock Square"

[Prole]

[Andrew.]

Prole

Its in the video and here http://jforjustice.co.uk/77/

for everyone to see.

A rather good question to ask imho.

"Another strange statement he made, to The Sun Newspaper, reported in the 8th July 2005 edition, is that he got off the bus, because he had reached his destination. How could he possibly have reached his destination, on a bus that had been diverted from its normal route, unless he was part of the mock-terrorism exercise team, and got off the bus, as planned, in Tavistock Square, after planting a bomb, just before it was detonated? Does he work for Kingstar? Kingstar, whose white van was parked next to the bus, is a company that specializes in controlled demolitions, and Richard Jones said he served an apprenticeship at an explosives factory in Ayrshire. Was the Kingstar van there as part of Peter Power and his customer’s training mock-terrorism drill, to supervise the mock-explosion that became real?

So, if Hasib Hussain was supposed to have been on that number 30 bus, registration LX03BUF, how would it be possible for him to get the exact bus, that would get him to one of the four locations where the mock-terrorist exercise would be taking place, when that bus was diverted from its normal route, to Tavistock Square, unless he had been recruited to play the part of a mock-terrorist and told exactly which bus to get, where and at what time, by the people who organised the mock-terrorism exercise, and who knew the bus would be diverted to Tavistock Square? The odds against that happening by coincidence are unbelievable, and thus it is not possible that it was a coincidence.

Another unbelievable coincidence is that all of the CCTV cameras, at all four of the blast sites, were not working that day."

[Pugwash]

Prole wrote (Sorry your getting a bit of grief here)

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[Andrew.]

Prole wrote:
"It is important to challenge inaccuracy wherever it is found. Our views on 7/7 RE were discussed both on J7 and here and the video is openly and honestly reviewed on our website and forum, both open for comments. Better this than silence and turning a blind eye.

During the debate on these boards a wise observation was made:

'The most perfidious way of harming a cause consists of defending it deliberately with faulty arguments.'

Worth bearing in mind imo."

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“Better this than silence and turning a blind eye.”

“But this” But why go to all the trouble you can to suggest to people that all of the coincidences? Of that day are just not worth mentioning and just insignificant so please people don’t look ?

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It reminds me of that episode of the BBC comedy “only fools and horses” where Uncle Albert falls down the stairs of the cellar and Del boy and Albert go to court for him to get some compensation. Only when it goes to court we discover that Uncle Albert unbeknown to Del boy and the viewer, has done this about 10 times before.

With the viewer now shown some coincidences (10 times before) in court that it has been done indeed by Uncle Albert by intention “case dismissed” as the punch line.

That no one I know who has seen this has failed to get the punch line.

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