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chek
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| Danny wrote: | | chek wrote: |
No, Danny.
You probably can't see it from your intellectually crippled perspective, but that's the exact opposite of why they chose to focus on it. |
Thank-you Chek. I suggest to you that it is you who is crippled by relying solely on the intellect, and that is why you cannot see what I and others see.
Peace be with you. |
And peace be with you, Danny.
But what you'll find, after your current period of spiritual infatuation passes, is that the crucial human gift of intellect can allow us to discern the nature, attractions and depth of illusion. And particularly self-delusion.
May your path lead you to peace.
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| Prole wrote: |
....... I was also frustrated and angered that 7/7 Ripple Effect allowed the BBC off the hook in asking the really difficult questions.
ie Instead of Richard Jones being questioned about his description of the man who was fiddling with his rucksack on the bottom deck of the bus, a man who bore no resemblance to Hasib, he is questioned on whether he blew up the bus in association with Kingstar (an assertion that is made by 7/7 RE).
There was never any objective on the part of the BBC CF to actually examine the official narrative, 7/7 RE worked perfectly for them in achieving this. |
Come on Prole.....loads of wishful thinking and unverifiable assumptions here.
Firstly, if it wasn't for 'Ripple Effect' and its viral effect, particularly among the Asian community, the BBC probably wouldn't have made the CF film at all.
You might think that a good thing but most of us would disagree.
CFiles was NEVER going to ask the really difficult questions whatever you might like to believe. Programme makers can manipulate any situation to discredit people, including you, if they so wished.
Did you really expect them to use Jones in any other way than to support the official lies, as he did on 7/7 itself?
If 7/7 was an 'inside job' as 'Dib and most 9/11 Truthers are strongly inclined to believe (the modus operandi is pure 'false flag', comparing circumstantial detail with Webster Tarpley's revealing template), then Hasib Hussain was almost certainly not the bus bomber.
The false flag set-up experts do not leave important elements in their satanic theatre to chance. The bombs went off exactly as they were meant to. All the tube train bombs at exactly the same time......do you think they would leave it to chance when Hussain might have spoiled the narrative by doing something unpredictable.
The 'Kingstar' speculation made for an easy target but why do you think viewers believed Jones. If he was involved in any kind of sinister way he would lie anyway. I think people realise that.
'Dib's gripping narrative, even if many insignificant details are proved wrong is substantially correct. 7/7 was, like 9/11, an 'inside job' enacted to underpin a "War On Terror" that was embarrassingly short of one important ingredient.....the Terror.
The oligarchy or crytocracy or whatever we choose to call them are resourceful fellows and their criminal arm, the so-called 'intelligence services' supplied the necessary. Its satanic leadership and the knuckle-dragging homicidal morons who serve them probably enoble their murderous activities in their own minds by seeing themselves as rather special employees of Great Britain PLC.
Once you get the idea, the way these things work is pretty obvious.
Quibbling about petty details and attacking the guy beside you who is pushing at the same door as you are is a peculiar way to behave.
When someone makes ridiculous-sounding claims then one can justifiably suspect that they are really trying to undermine a cause (as in 'no-planes theories', say)....but what has 'Dib said that is ridiculous? What has he said that does not promote suspicion of the official narrative in the public mind.
As I've said before the fact that he presents a competing and credible narrative to the official narrative is, to my mind, a stroke of genius. The authorities HATE that. They really do. They don't mind quibbling questions, painful anomalies, they can live with all angst and protestations as long as they remain futile. There's something about what 'Dib has done that takes the call for an Inquiry to another level. It has created a ferocious mistrust that clearly scares authorities but can ultimately produce nothing but good.
We are enslaved by lies but ....
.....the truth will set us free.
.....and we are closer to it after 'Dib's work not further away......even if his theory is eventually proven to contain faulty detail.....because the pressure has to be created for the balloon to pop.....
.......and he's the guy with the pump......or should he have sat back and trusted in the 7/7 activism of Rachel North, say? |
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kbo234
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| Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: |
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I am in the process of reading Nick Kollestrom's new book, "Terror On The Tube".
I recommend it to all visitors to this site (you can get a copy by contacting Belinda McKenzie ('Belinda' on this forum)). There may be other outlets for NK's book of which I am unaware.
In support of my previous post on this issue, it was very interesting to read that Nafeez Ahmed's publisher (of "The London Bombings") demanded that he change "alleged bombers" to "bombers" throughout his text before the book could be published.
Nafeez so did.
Here is the heart of the matter.
The powers-that-be are comfortable with an Nafeez Ahmed, a Chomsky or (dare I say it) a Brigid Dunne (Prole) or a Rachel North. This is the kind of opposition they like......the one that will not directly challenge the BIG LIE.
One can understand Ahmed's dainty footwork. he has a university post he doesn't want to lose. Poor old Nick K. was less cautious and look what happened to him.
No matter how useful Nafeez Ahmed's and Prole's work is, and it is certainly important and very useful, it does not threaten authority in the way of a 'Dib or a Kollerstrom.
I applaud these two men for their courage and truthfulness.
It would be a pleasure to applaud Prole also, but I am made suspicious of her by her joining the attacks on 'Dib and NK when she should be applauding the inroads they have made on behalf of their (common?) cause. |
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Danny
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| kbo234 wrote: | In support of my previous post on this issue, it was very interesting to read that Nafeez Ahmed's publisher (of "The London Bombings") demanded that he change "alleged bombers" to "bombers" throughout his text before the book could be published.
Nafeez so did.
Here is the heart of the matter.
The powers-that-be are comfortable with an Nafeez Ahmed, a Chomsky or (dare I say it) a Brigid Dunne (Prole) or a Rachel North. This is the kind of opposition they like......the one that will not directly challenge the BIG LIE. |
Would you happen to have a source for Nafeez Ahmed's publisher demanding that, please? If true, it reminds me of the judge in the recent Kingston trials misinforming the jury; prior to the trial; that there was no doubt the four men did it. The prosecutor also said the same during the trial and the defence did not object.
| kbo234 wrote: | | I applaud these two men for their courage and truthfulness. |
Muad'Dib has asked me to thank you for your kind words. |
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| I read this in NK's book and believed what he had written. Perhaps you should ask him (astro3). |
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Danny
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| Thank-you Tony & kbo234. |
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Shouldn't we be out there in the comments sections of the mainstream press etc rather than preaching to the converted?
The BBC programme did a pretty good character assassination job, but it opened a can of worms. What had been a taboo topic suddenly became discussable. I overheard a couple of youngish men in the London underground discussing the programme, so I joined in. They were most interested to hear what I had to say, particularly when I gave them the titles 'Mind the Gap' and 'Ludicrous Diversion' to look up on Internet video.
The BBC went so hard on the propaganda, that people are latching on. |
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Shouldn't we be out there in the comments sections of the mainstream press etc rather than preaching to the converted?
The BBC programme did a pretty good character assassination job, but it opened a can of worms. What had been a taboo topic suddenly became discussable. I overheard a couple of youngish men in the London underground discussing the programme, so I joined in. They were most interested to hear what I had to say, particularly when I gave them the titles 'Mind the Gap' and 'Ludicrous Diversion' to look up on Internet video.
The BBC went so hard on the propaganda, that people are latching on. |
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This is from Adrian Connock - creator of "Mind the Gap"
http://officialconfusion.com/77/2009/bbcCF09.html
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July 7th 2005 London Bombings
BBC Conspiracy Files: 7/7 - Comments
* They chose the most speculative and least objective 7/7 documentary to focus on.
* There is no allowance for the questions that survivors such as Rachel North have raised with regard to MI5's prior knowledge, and the audience is misled to believe that the victims are content with the official account, when many are not.
* After accepting the Luton to KC Thameslink train was cancelled there is no further scrutiny of the Home Office timeline and the many other inconsistencies it portrays.
* There is no thorough inspection of the reports that suggest MI5 may have been able to prevent the attacks.
* They fail to understand or examine the false potential of electronic evidence and the corruption within the cctv companies. Instead they focus on making fools out of those who questioned the authenticity of the Luton image and do not consider the cctv timeline contradictions.
* They accuse those questioning the official government account of 'sowing dissent across Britain' and did not give any credence to those people who are simply asking honest questions with no intention of stirring up dissent.
* After hearing a controversial view on the issue of the identification found at the bomb sites the audience was then provided a speculative opinion presented by the BBC are official and therefore correct.
* It is implied that anyone involved with questioning 7/7 is on a par with disingenuous types such as the producer of Ripple Effect.
* They do not scrutinise the links offered by the authorities with regard to terrorist training.
* They do not make clear that the officials admit there is still no available intelligence actually proving the men were involved in terrorism.
* They insinuate that those asking questions upset the victims of 7/7, but they did not reveal that the majority of those questioning the official account want the same thing many of the victims want - a full scale independent public inquiry.
* There is no analysis of the conflicting reports regarding the explosives used and the audience is not informed that there is still no official explanation.
* There is no investigation into the alleged bombers.
* No examination of false and misleading media stories.
* No questioning of evidence found at Alexandra Grove.
* No mention of the reputed links with Haroon Aswat or Al Muhajiroun.
* No wider context of terrorist infiltration, false flag attacks or police/intelligence corruption.
* As to be expected they purposely edit out prominent points in favour of less coherent arguments.
* They cunningly attempt to exonerate Tony Blair for his early finger pointing at the Islamic community and failed to examine the numerous other officials who immediately jumped on the hallmarks of radical Islam Al Qaeda band wagon.
* Netanyahu's advisor denies there was any prior warning and the story is compared to the fabricated story of Jews being warned not to go to work on 9/11. However there is no mention that Mossad agents were arrested and implicated in the 9/11 attacks, nor is there mention of any of the significant evidence suggesting that Mossad once blew up the Israeli embassy in London for political ends.
* A large amount of emphasis is put on the unacceptable hatred aimed at those implicated in a conspiracy, but it is not made clear that the vast majority of people who have researched 7/7 are decent law abiding citizens who would never send such abuse.
* They are given intriguing access by Peter Power to the Visor Consultants' exercise run on 7/7, but fail to highlight the basis for why many people were suspicious of coinciding exercises.
* Time is wasted on the more ridiculous allegations made in the Ripple Effect regarding the oddities of the Kingstar van and the Descent poster - no attempt is made to make clear that the vast majority of 7/7 researchers see these issues as simply odd coincidences.
* It is claimed that questioning 7/7 has caused division in British society and has served to alienate Muslims from the authorities, yet there is no acceptance that the most profound catalyst for Muslim alienation from the authorities has been the ongoing murder of millions of innocent Muslims by a UK led coalition conceived on a policy based on lies and fabrications from the high echelons of Western intelligence.
* There is no mention that there are no reliable witnesses on public record who claim to have seen the men on 7/7.
* Richard Jones is not questioned with regard to his numerous conflicting statements in the press.
* There is no mention of the bus cameras being out of operation and no attempt to investigate whether they had been tampered with.
* No mention that the witness reports regarding the explosions do not concur with the blast effects of peroxide based devices.
* They insinuate that there were only two survivor reports suggesting the blasts may have come from beneath the tube carriages, but in reality there were many more.
* There is no assessment of the distrust the government has sown through it's inadequate and shoddy reporting on the events of 7/7.
* I could go on for pages, but I think you get the point.
Character assassination is bread and butter for the Conpiracy Files ilk and yet again I sat and cringed for an hour as I watched messengers get shot down, whilst the little information they were allowed to present quietly slipped away with them.
Although perhaps more perturbing than the character assassination attempts and the blatant omissions, was the insinuation that people like myself have created division in society and have promoted unjust suspicion of the authorities. This has never been my intention, and unlike other 7/7 documentaries I put my real name out with Mind The Gap because I have nothing to hide, and no fear of the authorities.
I concur with the sentiments raised about 7/7: Ripple Effect by Julyseventh.co.uk. It is misleading and it should be known that I do in fact agree with many of the important issues raised by Conspiracy Files 7/7 with regard to the negative impact a documentary such as Ripple Effect can have. However I am appalled that the Conspiracy Files focused almost exclusively on this film and its wild speculations.
I turned down the opportunity to be involved with this BBC documentary, as I have turned down other mainstream documentaries.
After spending an hour with producer Tristan Quinn, it quickly became obvious what the intention of the programme was. His line of questioning was dominated by my personal motivations for making Mind the Gap and the majority of the information in the film, and on my website, appeared to be of little interest to him.
Quinn repeatedly tried to entice myself and other 7/7 researchers into participating by claiming it was our best opportunity yet to voice our opinions. If it was not the Conspiracy Files I may have believed him, but I was fully aware of the Conspiracy Files prerogative and refused.
I confronted Quinn with a video camera during the recording of the show and repeatedly asked him to put on record that his production would abide by the BBC's editorial guidelines. He refused to confirm, and after viewing the show it is obvious that yet again the Conspiracy Files were granted a license above and beyond the normal BBC editorial guidelines.
In my opinion Quinn had a prerequisite to fulfil and no doubt he'll be getting a pat on the back for his work. People should note Quinn's other productions include a profoundly bias pro-Israel Panorama programme.
On review of the extensive secret recordings I made of Quinn and his team in action, it becomes absolutely clear that Quinn's line of questioning was often insidious in nature and that a vast amount of pertinent information was omitted.
Out of professional courtesy I am choosing not to release these recordings at this time. I would like to remind the BBC that I am still waiting for a simple acknowledgement regarding my last expose of BBC propaganda, namely 9/11 and the British Broadcasting Conspiracy. Well over a million people have watched it, but not one BBC underling has been bothered to acknowledge my emails. Sad, but true.
Adrian Connock
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http://jforjustice.co.uk/
* The Hierarchy Enslaving You – THEY. THEY also murdered Princess Di, Dodi al Fayed and Dr. David Kelly.
** Documentary films about 7/7/2005:- 7/7 Ripple Effect, Ludicrous Diversion, Mind the Gap
*** People confuse what the BBC reports with news - examination of the BBC.
Commentary about the recent MI5 revelations in The Independent about the modus operandi of MI and the U.K. police.
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