Joined: 13 May 2009 Posts: 40 Location: North Devon, UK
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:22 pm Post subject: 2012 the end of the world as we know it?
There's a school of thought that in 2012 the world as we know it will end. I'm sure most people on here will be aware of this and indeed the different senarios. There's even a theory/prediction that there will be a false flag operation wereby aliens will invade earth. What do you all think about this, after all it's only 3 years away and NO one seems to be discussing on here... Set your phasers to kill
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 2568 Location: One breath from Glory
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject:
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after all it's only 3 years away and NO one seems to be discussing on here...
Hi Steve 44 Take a look at the sticky topic in this section for quite a detailed discussion on 2012. _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
So to put it in a nutshell, the Mayan Calendar is primarily about galactic/psychic changes which later lead to physical changes. The Mayans --as do Native American Indians-- divide vast expanses of time into 'worlds' and this is what seems to have led to the misunderstanding that the end of the present Mayan Calendar also signifies the end of the world.
Westerners think in terms of physical change, whereas the Mayans considered the psychic world to be equally if not more important. Hence their concept of time and finite being is different. Arguelles sees the Mayan Calendar as time unfolding in an eternal process of change.
So the world will change and where one 'world' ends another 'begins' in that process of eternal unfolding. See the difference between this and the limited idea of some sort of Armageddon bringing about 'the end of the world'?
You don't need missiles and a nuclear war to bring about the Apocalypse. The apocalypse is already happening around us with the climatic changes, the dying of species and the overall effect that human society is having on the Planet.
If there is an end of the world then it is already happening through the planetary apocalypse. It's not something that'll happen in 2012; it's already happening.
Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 413 Location: South Essex
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject:
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The apocalypse is already happening around us with the climatic changes, the dying of species and the overall effect that human society is having on the Planet.
I think you are believing the mainstream propaganda isfahan.
What that video you put up is promoting is imo the 'Global Consciousness and Spirituality" agenda.I put a thread up about it here:
The video you put up is promoting "The New Law" which is:
Everything is Permitted,
Nothing is True,
And it Harm None,
Do What You Will.
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Well that might be a pretty good belief system for various
perverts,and psychopaths but it aint good for a morally
upstanding and truthfull society is it? _________________ The poster previously known as "Newspeak International"
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 2017 Location: Croydon, Surrey
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:55 pm Post subject:
Frank Freedom wrote:
The video you put up is promoting "The New Law" which is:
Everything is Permitted,
Nothing is True,
And it Harm None,
Do What You Will.
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Well that might be a pretty good belief system for various
perverts,and psychopaths but it ain't good for a morally
upstanding and truthful society is it?
Hear, hear!
This is the gospel according to Lucifer/Satan.
These are the defining principles of the religion the NWO wishes to impose on us all.
For atomised, servile humans a life of spiritual dereliction, soulless pleasure, terror of authority and utter degeneracy.
No one should be taken in by productions like this. It is trying to seduce us and condition us into accepting what can only prove to be an absolute horror.
Does everything HAVE to be black OR white, guys? It sounds just like Bush saying 'Either yer with us or yer agin us', to me.
How about this:-
Do whatever you please so long as it harms no-one else or their environment
If Christianity was so great, how come it did not sweep the entire globe centuries ago? The reason is to be found in Constantine's hierarchic revisionism & secularisation of the most powerful message of Love the world had heard for some time.
Sound familiar? To spell it out - Constantine was the NWO of his time.
kbo234 wrote:
For atomised, servile humans a life of spiritual dereliction, soulless pleasure, terror of authority and utter degeneracy.
Sounds just like every day Catholicism, as practised for centuries, to me.
Spirit/Soul is Paramount; transcendental - all the theologisms are entirely secondary, largely irrelevant and often downright parasitic, imo. _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 2568 Location: One breath from Glory
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject:
Thermate suggested
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How about this:-
Do whatever you please so long as it harms no-one else or their environment
Thats pretty close to the Biblical command "love thy neghbour as thyself"
Think many have tried the way of just doing what they please and found it unsatisfying.
"What if a man gains the whole world and still loses his soul" Bible _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
The video you put up is promoting "The New Law" which is:
Everything is Permitted,
Nothing is True,
And it Harm None,
Do What You Will.
--------------------------
Well that might be a pretty good belief system for various
perverts,and psychopaths but it aint good for a morally
upstanding and truthfull society is it?
I think the operative phrase is "And it Harm None, Do What You Will." When you think about it that covers non-harm to everyone, including oneself. I prefer that to the self-righteous tones of "a morally upstanding" society. We know all about such 'morally upstanding' societies from the past, all of which claimed that God was on their side.
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Sound familiar? To spell it out - Constantine was the NWO of his time.
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Spirit/Soul is Paramount; transcendental - all the theologisms are entirely secondary, largely irrelevant and often downright parasitic, imo.
Well said, Thermate!
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Think many have tried the way of just doing what they please and found it unsatisfying.
No, it's not advising anyone to do as they please. The operative condition is that it harm none. None. Not even oneself. To do just as one pleases goes against what is being said here.
And why should we harm none? Because all is sacred and harming others is to harm oneself. So, Do what you will but harm none. We are free beings, free to do what we will. But for the common good, harm none.
I just found this video on the sticky thread about 2012. Disco Destroyer precedes it with the appropriate words 'Fear is the Mind Killer'. It's very easy to fall into the trap of fear. With all the changes we see taking place it is vital that we live with a vision of hope, not fear.
Only by living fearlessly can we hope to achieve evolutionary change:
Lots of interesting, new agey faces whose message I would basically buy into (love is the answer, we are all one, be the change you want to see, etc.) but troublingly uncritically jumping into bed with some of the most highly dubious characters around (Buffet, Bono, Gates, Gore) in a movement 'without leaders'. Hmmm.
The NWO co-opts new age movement? Disturbing
Any spiritual message that refuses to 'speak truth to power' is destined to be a blind alley rather than an awakening
Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 2017 Location: Croydon, Surrey
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject:
fish5133 wrote:
Thermate suggested
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How about this:-
Do whatever you please so long as it harms no-one else or their environment
Thats pretty close to the Biblical command "love thy neghbour as thyself"
"Do whatever you please", even with caveats is a very dangerous notion. This is the 'ethic', if one can call it that, of 'modern liberalism' and 'tolerance'. By the abandoning of moral absolutes all things, in practice, become permitted. There is no authority but man, and dominant man at that.
Already, just about everything is permitted that 50 years ago would have been rejected as outrageous. Porn pumped into every home with cable TV, every kind of blasphemy....here's a pretty good example of an outcome of this culture:
We live in an age of fraudulent everything (the "War on Terror" is a fraud, the "War on Drugs" is a fraud, 9/11 is a fraud, 7/7 is a fraud, the 'standards' agenda in school is a fraud, the Health & Safety agenda is a fraud, democracy itself is a fraud). These headlines all represent one thing posing as another. A fraudulent public agenda serving a real shadow agenda.
The "Do as you will" meme, 'liberalism', 'tolerance' are (in my opinion) masonic Luciferianism posing as good.
.....not that tolerance, in itself, is a bad thing, nor liberalism, nor even the idea "Do as you will"....it is merely that as dominant paradigms these vacuous notions offer portals to wickedness within which real principles of goodness, truth and love are easily breached. With such guiding ideals it becomes easy to present lies as truth and evil as good.
Joined: 01 Feb 2009 Posts: 413 Location: South Essex
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject:
kbo234 wrote:
fish5133 wrote:
Thermate suggested
Quote:
How about this:-
Do whatever you please so long as it harms no-one else or their environment
Thats pretty close to the Biblical command "love thy neghbour as thyself"
"Do whatever you please", even with caveats is a very dangerous notion. This is the 'ethic', if one can call it that, of 'modern liberalism' and 'tolerance'. By the abandoning of moral absolutes all things, in practice, become permitted. There is no authority but man, and dominant man at that.
Already, just about everything is permitted that 50 years ago would have been rejected as outrageous. Porn pumped into every home with cable TV, every kind of blasphemy....here's a pretty good example of an outcome of this culture:
We live in an age of fraudulent everything (the "War on Terror" is a fraud, the "War on Drugs" is a fraud, 9/11 is a fraud, 7/7 is a fraud, the 'standards' agenda in school is a fraud, the Health & Safety agenda is a fraud, democracy itself is a fraud). These headlines all represent one thing posing as another. A fraudulent public agenda serving a real shadow agenda.
The "Do as you will" meme, 'liberalism', 'tolerance' are (in my opinion) masonic Luciferianism posing as good.
.....not that tolerance, in itself, is a bad thing, nor liberalism, nor even the idea "Do as you will"....it is merely that as dominant paradigms these vacuous notions offer portals to wickedness within which real principles of goodness, truth and love are easily breached. With such guiding ideals it becomes easy to present lies as truth and evil as good.
A one world religion is being promoted here,not for our benefit but for our conformity,and it's colour is the purest Green for revolution.
It says a lot when you use the phrase 'one world' as a pejorative. The idea of a unified world, working in cooperation together, is an old one but given the problems facing us in this century ever more urgently relevant. You associate the idea of one world consciousness with only multinational capitalists and NWO totalitarians. That is only a limited and unbalanced view.
What is your alternative? A bigoted nationalism where every nation-state and superpower fights wars against every other to gain what it can for itself? What, in fact, prevails today?
You scorn Greenpeace and the Green Party. I know that neither of these organisations are perfect but given the alternatives I would still support them. And, again, I wonder what alternatives you would have in mind?
Your scornful comments do not sound as if they originate from a place of high morals. But stay with them if you will without inflicting them on others.
As for the extreme cases of abuse which Fish uses to justify his position, these only serve to distort the phrase "And harm none" by applying it to cases of exploitation. "And harm none" covers a lot and it presupposes the use of discrimination. Including taking with a pinch of salt anything published in the Daily Mail!
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Lots of interesting, new agey faces whose message I would basically buy into (love is the answer, we are all one, be the change you want to see, etc.) but troublingly uncritically jumping into bed with some of the most highly dubious characters around (Buffet, Bono, Gates, Gore) in a movement 'without leaders'. Hmmm.
The NWO co-opts new age movement? Disturbing
Any spiritual message that refuses to 'speak truth to power' is destined to be a blind alley rather than an awakening
I don't see what the above has to do with the Mayan Calendar. There are all kinds of strange types who call themselves New Agers shopping in spiritual supermarkets. Why should that detract from the Mayan Calendar?
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:43 am Post subject:
isfahan wrote:
.......It says a lot when you use the phrase 'one world' as a pejorative. The idea of a unified world, working in cooperation together, is an old one but given the problems facing us in this century ever more urgently relevant. You associate the idea of one world consciousness with only multinational capitalists and NWO totalitarians. That is only a limited and unbalanced view.
You seem to be very naive, isfahan.
'One World' is indeed a great idea but if a 'one world' system is installed by the international banking/corporate oligarchs who own our governments then this 'one world' will be constructed in such a way as to serve their interests and not the interests of the 'one world' they will then come to completely dominate. Their version of 'one world' will be a Soviet-style tyranny under absolutely rigorous central control.
We already live in a surveillance state. Surely you can see that this will only get much worse and more Orwellian.
.....everything done 'for the common good', of course.
isfahan wrote:
What is your alternative? A bigoted nationalism where every nation-state and superpower fights wars against every other to gain what it can for itself? What, in fact, prevails today?
If 'democratic' societies fully understood that they are ruled, not by their elected representatives, but by criminal international financiers who murder them at the drop of a hat to advance their interests then these societies would use the instruments of democracy to remove these people, take back the power of money creation and, maybe, attempt to create a benign self-policing 'one world' system that would serve the interests of all.
Watch the brilliant documentary "The MoneyMasters" on Google Video (I'll put a link below) and understand that wars occur because deceived populations are tricked into identifying the interests of their banking masters as their own. If we make our own money, cast these criminals aside, break up global corporations, outlaw Freemasonry and ensure that our leaders represent us rather than any monied third party then there will be no more wars.
I personally don't know any ordinary people who relish the idea of war with another country......what about you?
Such a change would require a paradigm shift in human consciousness but it is possible that in the coming few short years exactly such a change will take place.
.......'one world' under a masonic/banking dictatorship......not on your nelly......(I hope).......but this is surely what George Brown or David Cameron (or whoever) will try to give us.
I don't know how this age-old plot will fail but, how can one put it, Lucifer might have his day because we have lost our way and, in our deluded fashion, comply with his illusory power (everything that 'enslaves' us is based on lies).......but God will only allow such a victory as a short term lesson for humanity. The Orwellian nightmare can hobble and perhaps walk a few steps, but it will never stand.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1959 Location: South London
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:33 pm Post subject:
"One World" and "One World Government" are not pejorative terms in my vocabulary, because as instruments to bring about a just global peace, democratic world government is ultimately needed. Regrettably we already have in effect a secret autocratic one world government which is controlled by the super powerful who are intent on increasing their power yet further. This is the antithesis of global democracy. The current World Government is not answerable to the people, though it should be if we want a world of peace and justice.
Another aspect which is essential for a peaceful, just democratic world is the federalist principle of "subsidiarity", which is the very opposite of centralisation of power. Cambridge dictionary definition of subsidiarity: "the principle that decisions should always be taken at the lowest possible level or closest to where they will have their effect, for example in a local area rather than nationally." In other words the tendency in the EU for example for decisions about daily life to be taken centrally is a violation of federalist principles (though the British press incorrectly calls this "federalism" which it claims to be against). Subsidiarity would enable nations, regions, towns etc to control their own affairs without interference from powerful heirarchies above them.
However, certain aspects of life require planetary agreement and implementation: a just global peace, the equitable sharing of the world's resources and protection of the global environment. These are the global items for which world government, answerable to the people and elected by them is required. Currently unless the shadow world government by the mega-rich over the rest of us is exposed for the criminal cabal that it is and overthrown, effective global democracy remains but a dream, but one worth remembering.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1959 Location: South London
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:45 pm Post subject:
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The video you put up is promoting "The New Law" which is:
Everything is Permitted,
Nothing is True,
And it Harm None,
Do What You Will.
--------------------------
Well that might be a pretty good belief system for various
perverts,and psychopaths but it aint good for a morally
upstanding and truthfull society is it?
I think the problem here is that this strange grammatical consruction of "And it harm none" confuses the reader. I suppose its an archaic phrase but in modern English it would be better rendered as
However, certain aspects of life require planetary agreement and implementation: a just global peace, the equitable sharing of the world's resources and protection of the global environment. These are the global items for which world government, answerable to the people and elected by them is required. Currently unless the shadow world government by the mega-rich over the rest of us is exposed for the criminal cabal that it is and overthrown, effective global democracy remains but a dream, but one worth remembering.
Xmasdale puts it rather well and I fully agree with him in this description of a benevolent one world government and implementing of planetary consciousness. In fact, Kbo34, you and I are mostly in agreement with each other too.
Perhaps Xmasdale's definition of 'And it harm none' is acceptable to you?
On the question of war I find the idea of the killing fields abhorrent. The early socialists had it right when they appealed to workers not to slaughter each other in the capitalists' wars. Wars are only possible because of the deep sense of tribalism to which humans are still susceptible.
Young British men and women are dying in Afghanistan to keep multinational capitalism going. Dr Gideon Polya has calculated that *millions* of Afghanis have died as a result of the USUK's imperialist venture. This, of course, is kept quiet by the western MSM (mainstream media) while our servile politicians shed crocodile tears over the British dead.
Taken as a whole this is far worse than collective hypocrisy. It results in a brutalization of our society which hides behind the lie that only Nazis cause such atrocities. The aggregate score of atrocities committed by Anglo-American societies is too frightening to contemplate, hidden only by a long-term state of collective denial which goes on endlessly.
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