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outsider Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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@gruts: 'Nyetu pravdy v Isvyestyakh i nyetu isvyestyi v Pravde'
Make you right there, (I guess?)!!
Shto eto? _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7. |
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gruts Major Poster
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it's just a bit of russian irony....
see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda
"As the names of the main Communist newspaper and the main Soviet newspaper, Pravda and Izvestia, meant "the truth" and "the news" respectively, a popular Russian saying was "v Pravde net izvestiy, v Izvestiyakh net pravdy" (In the Truth there is no news, and in the News there is no truth)."
incidentally, part 6 of EOR - about the assassination of martin luther king - is also worth watching....
http://www.documentary-film.net/search/watch.php?&ref=157 _________________ Nyetu pravdy v Isvyestyakh i nyetu isvyestyi v Pravde |
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outsider Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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gruts wrote: | it's just a bit of russian irony....
see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda
"As the names of the main Communist newspaper and the main Soviet newspaper, Pravda and Izvestia, meant "the truth" and "the news" respectively, a popular Russian saying was "v Pravde net izvestiy, v Izvestiyakh net pravdy" (In the Truth there is no news, and in the News there is no truth)."
incidentally, part 6 of EOR - about the assassination of martin luther king - is also worth watching....
http://www.documentary-film.net/search/watch.php?&ref=157 |
Thanks for interpretation and posts. I've been posting the videos around, as well as downloading them. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7. |
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"The Mossad Role in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy
by Michael Collins Piper "
Before the 'hystericals' get their teeth into this review from February, 2010 (that IMO needs re-emphasising), I would like to point out once again that I favour no ideology or author and that AFAIAC, Mossad is an effect, not a cause:-
http://redactednews.blogspot.com/2010/02/mossad-role-in-jfk-assassinat ion.html
Quote: | "As an Israeli/American peace activist I welcome this book . This book is especially topical today as the search for peace in the Middle East continues. As Israelis as well international Jews who care about our country I believe it right and proper to engage in an informed and vigorous debate about the undoubted wrong-doings of our government in an open and informed way. This is the only way in which the worst excesses of Zionism can be curbed."
-- David L. Rubinstein from Tel Aviv
See Reviews. |
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Quote: | ...Since November 22, 1963 many have spent vast amounts of time researching the assassination, putting forth a wide variety of theories.
Most of the research has been devoted to what one more perceptive critic described as "a consuming preoccupation [with] the microanalytic searching for facts of how the assassination was accomplished," while at the same time, he points out "there has been almost no systematic thinking on why President Kennedy was killed."
So while people have focused on how many assassins were involved, and how many shots they fired at JFK and where the shots came from and where the bullets hit, the real question of who was ultimately responsible for the assassination—not who fired the bullets, but who sponsored the assassins who fired those bullets—has been ignored. ... ... ... |
_________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:11 pm Post subject: JFK assassination- new observation |
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Knowing that many 9/11 truthers are also JFK truthers, I am posting this here. It concerns a new observation about the "Doorway Man" from the famous Altgens photo about whom there has been decades of controversy as to whether he's Lee Oswald or Billy Lovelady. But, this new observation about his clothing points to Oswald.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcKgSUumAPc |
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: JFK assassination- new observation |
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Firsk wrote: | Knowing that many 9/11 truthers are also JFK truthers, I am posting this here. It concerns a new observation about the "Doorway Man" from the famous Altgens photo about whom there has been decades of controversy as to whether he's Lee Oswald or Billy Lovelady. But, this new observation about his clothing points to Oswald.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcKgSUumAPc |
For what its worth IMO Man in doorway looks like he has a checked shirt (like Lovedays) on and his hairline looks more like Lovelady. _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12 |
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Firsk New Poster
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This is a 9/11 truth site, so I presume you are capable of thinking outside the box. The picture of Doorway Man was released by the corporate media. Do you really think they would have released a picture that looked directly like Oswald? Realize that in 1963, there was no internet. And the original Altgens photo, which got publicized, showed no detail, just the broad sense that it could be Oswald. So, of course, when they got around to releasing an enlargement, they made sure it could pass for Lovelady. I hope you don't think I am being paranoid because, after all, you are a 9/11 truther, and you know what the corporate media is capable of doing in distorting the truth about 9/11. So, forget about the hairline. And forget about the pattern of the garment. Assume they took care of that. I am pointing to something which I think they didn't notice, and that is, the unusual form and fit of Oswald's shirt. It truly did have a lapel like a man's jacket, and there is no doubt about that. Just look at the form and fit of that shirt on Doorman and compare it to Lovelady. Did you notice that Lovelady's shirt looks very tight-fitting, while Doorman's shirt is very loose? He's swimming in the darn thing. This is for real. They simply did not observe how different his shirt was. They thought it was enough to doctor his hairline and adjust the pattern on his shirt. But, they were wrong. |
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scienceplease 2 Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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The video has been removed... what did it contain? |
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Firsk New Poster
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:22 pm Post subject: My JFK video was redone |
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I redid my JFK video to put more into it. Here is the new address:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_3sCGPQ3zk&feature=youtu.be
But, as a followup to the other guy, this is a 9/11 truth site, and you know the corporate media lied about 9/11. You don't take everything they say for granted. They show you a burnt driver's license of a hijakcer's that fell to the ground with skepticism, right? So, please don't take the plaid, checkered pattern on Doorman's shirt as valid either. That was added. And it would have been very easy to do, even in 1963. It was just a matter of alternating darkness and light. But, the form, the fit, and the lay of the shirt could not be altered, and it was pure Oswald. The Doorman in the Altgens photo was Oswald! He was standing outside watching during the shooting! They just did what they could to transform him into Lovelady. There is no longer any doubt about it. My video proves it. The shirt Oswald was wearing was very distinctive, and Doorman's has the same distinctive features. You can see it particularly around their collars, which I demonstrate. Please watch my videos, starting at the above link. There are 10 of them, but they are 5 minutes or less each, so you're talking 45 minutes total. And if you won't watch all of them, please just watch the first. Just 5 minutes! It will change your perspective on the JFK assassination forever. Every 9/11 truther needs to be a JFK truther. |
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Firsk New Poster
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:17 am Post subject: JFK Video has been redone. Here's link. Dr. Fetzer agrees. |
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Here's the link to my revised video on Oswald's innocence. I didn't change anything, but I did add more to it. Dr. James Fetzer, one of the most prominent and prolific JFK assassination researchers in the world, agrees with it. He and I have co-authored a paper about it which is available upon request. And here's the new link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_3sCGPQ3zk&feature=youtu.be |
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Firsk New Poster
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I have seen the picture of the brown shirt before, and there is another picture of another shirt which is claimed to be the shirt he wore. But I don't put stock in any of these pictures. For instance, considering that we only saw Oswald with his outer shirt unbottoned, why would they show it to us with it all cinched up? There has been so much fraud and corruption of evidence involved in the JFK case, I wouldn't trust anything they claim.
The only shirt I know for sure that Oswald was wearing is where I can see him in it. Don't trust anything else.
If you want to get a good view of Oswald's shirt, including the lapel I talk about, go to Youtube and type in: What Did Oswald See. It's not my video, but you will get a good look at Oswald's shirt. And he is most certainly in it. |
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I agree it is very hard to find anything you can rely on in the JFK case...
Lone Gunman? I don't think so... This deathbed confession is enough for me...
http://www.rense.com/general76/hunt.htm |
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Firsk New Poster
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:10 pm Post subject: The Shirt is the Key |
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Yes, I'm sure all those people were involved. It had to go to the top. How else could the media have been so well controlled afterwards? It goes to show that even then, in the 1960s, we had a controlled media.
But, this thing about the Doorman's shirt being that of Oswald's is the kind of physical, tangible, visible evidence that the other side can't deny. They can't defend against it. Doorman is wearing Oswald's shirt, and that makes him Oswald and no one else. Oswald was standing outside watching during the shooting. There is no longer any doubt about it. See for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_3sCGPQ3zk&feature=youtu.be |
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: JFK - dead = FBI & CIA & MAFIA |
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< This is a request for further evidence about the dates of the deaths of the following named people - especially specific sources which can be properly quoted. Did these people die on the dates specified??>
JFK - DEAD FBI & CIA & MAFIA
Some writers who have investigated the assassination of John F. Kennedy have claimed that a large number of witnesses to the event have died in mysterious circumstances. The Sunday Times reported that "the odds against these witnesses being dead by February, 1967, were one hundred thousand trillion to one."
By my count :- 7 FBI, 9 CIA and 3 Mafia people connected to the JFK assassination died just prior to some relevant Congressional investigation.
DEAD FBI WITNESSES
William Sullivan - FBI (third in command)
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William Sullivan was shot dead near his home in Sugar Hill, New Hampshire, on 9th November, 1977 - a week before he was to testify before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. An inquest decided that he had been shot accidentally by fellow hunter, Robert Daniels, who was fined $500 and lost his hunting license for 10 years.
Sullivan had been the Number-3 man in FBI, heading division 5:- Counter-espionage and Domestic Intelligence
At the time of his death Sullivan was working on a book with journalist Bill Brown about his experiences with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Bureau: My Thirty Years in Hoover's FBI was published posthumously in 1979. The book was highly critical of both J. Edgar Hoover and Lyndon B. Johnson.
Sullivan was one of six top FBI officials who died in a six month period in 1977. Gary Revel, a "Special Investigator" for the House Select Committee on Assassinations said deaths of these FBI SAs could be more significant than what many realized because all six of these FBI SAs were identified to Revel as being important witnesses for the HSCA.
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Five other SPECIAL AGENTS
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Louis Nicholas
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Louis Nicholas, special assistant to J. Edgar Hoover and Hoover's liaison with the Warren Commission; (June 1977 louis nichols former number-3 man in fbi
heart attack. worked on jfk assassination
Alan H. Belmont
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Alan H. Belmont, special assistant to J. Edgar Hoover - Dies August 1977 "long illness"
James Cadigan
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James Cadigan, document expert with access to documents that related to death of John F. Kennedy - died from an accidental fall in his home in August 1977
J. M. English
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J. M. English, former head of FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory where Oswald's rifle and pistol were tested - Dies October 1977 of a heart attack. He
supervised the testing of the rifle that was purportedly the weapon that killed President John F. Kennedy and the pistol that belonged to Lee Harvey Oswald
Donald Kaylor
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Donald Kaylor, FBI fingerprint chemist who examined prints found at the assassination scene - Dies October 1977 of a heart attack,
before his scheduled testimony. Kaylor was an FBI fingerprint specialist who examined prints found at scenes of both assassinations (JFK and MLK).
ALSO FBI (but not one of the six SAs)
Regis Kennedy
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FBI agent witness, Regis Kennedy might have given private interview evidence, but he was killed **the day before** he was to meet with the CHURCH COMMITTEE.
Regis Kennedy confiscated the film of "The Babushka Lady" in Dealy Plaza
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outsider Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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I think there is a better thread than this re JFK, but due to hopeless 'search' possibilities I'll have to settle for this.
Dr. Mary's Monkey':
http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/vaccines/an-interview-with-edward-t -haslam.html
This video (from Alex Jones) shows links with 'Black Ops' of Lee Harvey Oswald, plus much more.
Also, for JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King etc. see 6 part 'Evidence of Revision':
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=666048701355447870#
(you can access 5 parts from this link; for 6th, just search 'Evidence of Revision Part 6'). _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7. |
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outsider Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Absolute blockbuster:
'Lee and Me' book by Judyth Vary Baker.
Judyth and Lee fell in love in New Orleans in 1963; Lee Harvey Oswald was working for the Government; he had been an agent all along, and had been sent to 'defect' to Russia, among other reasons to take info re U2 to enable Russians to shoot it down (CIA wanted to disrupt upcoming UN meeting between Eisenhower and Kruschev, believing Ike was getting too old and manipulable, and might be led up the garden path by the wily Russians; Gary Powers' U2 was of course shot down (I heard from a Pakistani that the U2, flying out of Pakistan, actually had a 'Russian' spy switch the altimeter on the U2, while it was on the ground on Pakistani base so it showed a much higher reading than the true one; this 'Russian spy' would hardly have got within miles of the plane, unless the US let him).
Back to the book: Lee spoke to Judyth 2 days before the assassination, and told her he was in the assassination group, but that he had no choice, would do what he could to foil the hit.
Judyth asked him 'Is there any way you coulld get out of this? Something you haven't thought of?', and Lee replied 'They'd just get another gun to take my place. If I stay, that will be one less bullet aimed at Kennedy.'
He had also found out who his handler was, and asked Judyth to remember the name of the traitor, CIA man David Atlee Phillips, of Fort Worth (interestingly, E. Howard Hunt also included Phillips in the group responsible for JFK's assassination, in his death-bed confession).
He had already almost certainly foiled a similar plot days before, when a hit was planned on Kennedy in Chicago, but this time, in Dallas, he did not succeed.
Judyth was warned by David Ferrie to lie low, and to say nothing about what she knew (Ferrie 'committed suicide' - or far more likely, was 'suicided' a couple of days after DA Jim Garrison said Ferrie was a prime informant in his investigation); Judyth said nothing for years, and settled into the humdrum domestic housewife routine, raising 5 children.
After her divorce, and after the children where old enough to fend for themselves, Judyth decided to speak out, and wrote her book.
She has been persecuted since then, with her car being rammed 3 or 4 times, physical attacks, some 4 concussions, death threats, brake lines on her car cut, tyres slashed and more.
She was driven to seek political assylum in Europe, which was I believe temporarily granted.
Her book is really rivetting; apart from the historical and personal content, it is extremely well written. You won't want to put it down once you start to read it. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7. |
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outsider Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, double posted above comment. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
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"deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.
You could probably deliver some radioactive substance to create cancer. But cancer is not a transmitted disease. |
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outsider Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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scienceplease 2 wrote: | "deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.
You could probably deliver some radioactive substance to create cancer. But cancer is not a transmitted disease. |
Who says so? Try googling 'Cancer viruses' (but far more informative, read the books 'Me and Lee' and 'Dr Mary's Monkey').
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udTmlhQaIeg
"deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.
And, on another level, check out how many 'enemies of the State', or 'enemies of the Establishment' (pretty much the same thing in most cases) die of cancer (Penny Lernoux - never heard of her? Check it out; Aaron Russo - how handy for the Rockefeller's, after Nick R. failed in his attempt to recruit Aaron;... plenty more if you search around).
Yes, 'Monkey cancer viruses' were injected in most of us in our polio vaccines; the doctor who tried to blow the whistle was dumped upon and marginalised (can't remember her name now, but if I were you I wouldn't play on that; my memory has always been poor, and gets worse with age).
Yes, if I search, I can find the Doctor who warned of the Monkey Viruses. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
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outsider wrote: | scienceplease 2 wrote: | "deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.
You could probably deliver some radioactive substance to create cancer. But cancer is not a transmitted disease. |
Who says so? Try googling 'Cancer viruses' (but far more informative, read the books 'Me and Lee' and 'Dr Mary's Monkey').
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udTmlhQaIeg
"deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.
Shame, 'scienceplease2', shame and shame again.
Check out your 'science'.
And, on another level, check out how many 'enemies of the State', or 'enemies of the Establishment' (pretty much the same thing in most cases) die of cancer (Penny Lernoux - never heard of her? Check it out; Aaron Russo - how handy for the Rockefeller's, after Nick R. failed in his attempt to recruit Aaron;... plenty more if you search around).
Yes, 'Monkey cancer viruses' were injected in most of us in our polio vaccines; the doctor who tried to blow the whistle was dumped upon and marginalised (can't remember her name now, but if I were you I wouldn't play on that; my memory has always been poor, and gets worse with age).
Yes, if I search, I can find the Doctor who warned of the Monkey Viruses. |
No need to shame me, Outsider.
If I check out...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oncovirus
... there was no research that would allow a cancer virus was available during 1950s/early 60s... certainly nothing lethal...
I'll check out the video shortly...
(Nb Polio vaccine is not generally injected - I got mine on a sugar lump) |
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scienceplease 2 wrote: | outsider wrote: | scienceplease 2 wrote: | "deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.
You could probably deliver some radioactive substance to create cancer. But cancer is not a transmitted disease. |
Who says so? Try googling 'Cancer viruses' (but far more informative, read the books 'Me and Lee' and 'Dr Mary's Monkey').
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udTmlhQaIeg
"deliver a lethal strain of cancer to be used to assassinate Fidel Castro" - not possible to do this.
(sentence removed, as I went OTT
Check out your 'science'.
And, on another level, check out how many 'enemies of the State', or 'enemies of the Establishment' (pretty much the same thing in most cases) die of cancer (Penny Lernoux - never heard of her? Check it out; Aaron Russo - how handy for the Rockefeller's, after Nick R. failed in his attempt to recruit Aaron;... plenty more if you search around).
Yes, 'Monkey cancer viruses' were injected in most of us in our polio vaccines; the doctor who tried to blow the whistle was dumped upon and marginalised (can't remember her name now, but if I were you I wouldn't play on that; my memory has always been poor, and gets worse with age).
Yes, if I search, I can find the Doctor who warned of the Monkey Viruses. |
No need to shame me, Outsider.
If I check out...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oncovirus
... there was no research that would allow a cancer virus was available during 1950s/early 60s... certainly nothing lethal...
I'll check out the video shortly...
(Nb Polio vaccine is not generally injected - I got mine on a sugar lump) |
Hi scienceplease2;
I'm sorry I got carried away, and will remove the offending words. It was of course pretty tongue-in-cheek. I intended to remove the 'shame' tonight anyway; I had realised it was not warrented.
But if you possibly can, read 'Lee and Me', Judyth Vary Baker, and 'Dr. Mary's Monkey', Ed Haslam.
They (particularly the first) are very good books for Truthers.
Judyth makes a good case that not only was Lee Harvey Oswald not a lone assassin, but that he was not an assassin of JFK at all, and that he was a Government agent (pretty clear from loads of evidence, even without her input). _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7. |
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