Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject: Thu22Oct - LIVERPOOL - 9/11 Finding The Truth
Beyond Knowledge Seminars Presents: Andrew Johnson 9/11 - Finding the Truth
Many people around the world are now realising that the official story of 9/11 is almost completely false. In this presentation, we will look at the evidence as to why the story is false, but we will also look at how some elements of the 9/11 Truth Movement seem to be trying to cover up a secret which has the potential to transform the future of mankind. How was the WTC really destroyed and why was Hurricane Erin closest to NYC at about 8am on 9/11? A look at the evidence tells us what happened and, to an extent, how it was done.
Andrew Johnson grew up in Yorkshire, England and graduated from Lancaster University in 1986 with a degree in Computer Science and Physics. He has mainly worked in Software Engineering and Software Development, for most of the last 20 years. He has also worked full and part time in lecturing and tutoring (in Adult Education). Now he works for the Open University (part time) tutoring and assessing students, whilst occasionally working freelance on various small software development projects.
He became interested in “alternative knowledge” in 2003, soon after discovering Dr Steven Greer's Disclosure Project. He has given presentations and written and posted a number of articles on various websites about 9/11, Mars, Chemtrails and Anti-gravity research, whilst also challenging some of the authorities to address some of the most compelling data that is available. His website is http://www.checktheevidence.com.
Date: Thursday, 22 October 2009
Time: 20:00 - 23:00
Location: (UPSTAIRS)THE SHIP & MITRE
Street: 133 DALE STREET
Town/City: Liverpool
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:35 am Post subject:
Hi Stephen. Thanks for posting this and good te see another event in the Pool You forgot to mention the extravagant profiteering entrance cost of £3.00 . Which given the previous numbers should just about cover petrol and tunnell tolls.
Hope to be there despite or maybe because of the comment
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but we will also look at how some elements of the 9/11 Truth Movement seem to be trying to cover up a secret
"Covering up" and "not agreeing with" are not the same thing so am very interested to see this cover up mentioned _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
Hi Stephen. Thanks for posting this and good te see another event in the Pool You forgot to mention the extravagant profiteering entrance cost of £3.00 . Which given the previous numbers should just about cover petrol and tunnell tolls.
Hope to be there despite or maybe because of the comment
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but we will also look at how some elements of the 9/11 Truth Movement seem to be trying to cover up a secret
"Covering up" and "not agreeing with" are not the same thing so am very interested to see this cover up mentioned
Well I'm not the organiser's of BKS. Am just posting the talk on here.
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:04 pm Post subject:
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Many people around the world are now realising that the official story of 9/11 is almost completely false.
Are they realisng this because of the explosives residue found in the dust samples and that professional architects engineers who build and design these buildings say it didnt collapse because of planes and fire, and oral testimonies of explosives and of course WTC7 collapse
OR
are they realising it because there were no planes and that the concrete and steel was turned into dust by exotic weaponary DEW that they have never seen used?
OR
is the 9/11 truth movement a broad church encompassing a diversity of methodology but with a common denominator that the official story is hogwash. _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 11:08 pm Post subject:
Stephen wrote:
Why has this thread been moved ?
Theres no reason for this?
Its a good talk thats been posted.
Not me
Possibly because of the comment about 9/11 truthers "covering up" or more accurately "criticising" DEW, no planes Judy Wood, dustification. _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
Judy Wood, Directed Energy Weapons, Aliens.
Andrew's a good speaker but too easy to ridicule hence 'controversies'.
Rather than wailing why doesn't someone post this talk to the email list?
http://groups.google.com/group/uk-911-truth
Judy Wood doesnt talk about Aliens.
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Andrew's a good speaker but too easy to ridicule hence 'controversies'.
So if they want to ridicule then thats up to them. But it doesnt mean its not true.
You riddicule.
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Rather than wailing
Its ment to be a feedom of speach forum?
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The "Andrew can be ridiculed" is not a valid argument. ANYONE questioning the official story of 911 can be ridiculed. We can thank MSM for that.
You didn't mention the court case or evidence. To my knowledge, Tony Gosling has not participated in a 911 court case (I have). I don't even know who Fishxxx is - and he's an admin. Wow.
Mind how you go - the marginalisation gets pretty obvious to readers, ye
know.
I wish I didn't have to call it a cover up, but that's what it is - well, actually it's a cover up and muddle up. _________________ Andrew
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:47 pm Post subject:
Andrew Johnson wrote
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I don't even know who Fishxxx is - and he's an admin. Wow.
Not quite sure what you mean by that Andrew but i will come and introduce myself at your talk in Liverpool all being well. You have actually been in correspondence with me and did kindly send me some leaflets when i first got into 911 truth..
Just because i dont agree with the No Planes stuff, or dustification or Judy woods research does not mean I try to cover it up or have a smear campaign against it. (on the contrary i have put Stephens post back into Events) Like most people I have a mind that looks at information and tries to understand it. I am more comfortable with the research of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth and Prof Niels Harritt findings of explosives residue in the dust from WTCs 1,2 and 7. Although i accept that there may be a lot more than meets the eye
look forward to meeting you _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
I don't even know who Fishxxx is - and he's an admin. Wow.
Not quite sure what you mean by that Andrew but i will come and introduce myself at your talk in Liverpool all being well. You have actually been in correspondence with me and did kindly send me some leaflets when i first got into 911 truth..
Just because i dont agree with the No Planes stuff, or dustification or Judy woods research does not mean I try to cover it up or have a smear campaign against it. (on the contrary i have put Stephens post back into Events) Like most people I have a mind that looks at information and tries to understand it. I am more comfortable with the research of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth and Prof Niels Harritt findings of explosives residue in the dust from WTCs 1,2 and 7. Although i accept that there may be a lot more than meets the eye
look forward to meeting you
What I mean by it is that it puzzles me why so many, many people can't just use their real names - especially when discussing the evidence and truth of 9/11.
Also, please, please, please - it's Judy Wood not Judy Woods and "Dr Judy Wood" is pretty good too. Ye know - it's the details which are important - and I just missed them re 911 initially and they make all the difference.
Yeah fine - come and introduce yourself. You can tell me why you think AE911 truth isn't a kind of "intellectial herding organisation" and why they haven't really published an full investigation into the WTC destruction themselves. If you're a supporter, you might like to consider this list of questions for them:
and even answer them if you can. Why haven't they made any legal submissions which include their "primary" evidence? Dr Judy Wood has! Or maybe you never realised this.
No, it's not just a "disagreement" it's more than that. Or do you just "disagree" with the 9/11 Commission? Or do you think they were criminally corrupted and not looking for the truth?
I look forward to giving you more leaflets and disks. _________________ Andrew
What I mean by it is that it puzzles me why so many, many people can't just use their real names - especially when discussing the evidence and truth of 9/11.
Could it be that they fear repercussions and would rather stay anonymous as best they can. Could it be that you are no threat to the the criminals that are running our society with many of your claims.
Personally I’m for capital punishment of politicians by any means available that enforce false legislation so we can get back to proper Law and order. It would take a lot of people to agree to this then no one would have to get hurt. Are you willing to put your name up for that.
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:06 am Post subject:
Andrew Johnson wrote
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What I mean by it is that it puzzles me why so many, many people can't just use their real names - especially when discussing the evidence and truth of 9/11.
Something to do with freedom and choice. Not fussed on having to be forced to have an ID card. Careful about using my real name as i am careful about where i put my bank card details etc> Its personal to me and i have certain freedom to give it or withold it to whom I wish. Its no big deal.
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Also, please, please, please - it's Judy Wood not Judy Woods and "Dr Judy Wood" is pretty good too. Ye know - it's the details which are important - and I just missed them re 911 initially and they make all the difference.
Sorry my grammar was not up to scratch it should have read Judy Wood's research or Dr Judy Wood,s research-- _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
DIRECT ENERGY WEAPONS EFFECTIVENESS NOW AND TOMMOROW
Chadwick F. Fager, Major, USAF
April 2007
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cst/bh_fager.pdf
just one paper i came accross on a quick google search _________________ The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good people to do nothing.
Edmund Burke
Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.
Einstein
golden ratio
mass and gravity both exist only as a means to acheive mathematical self-embedding of everything.
What I mean by it is that it puzzles me why so many, many people can't just use their real names - especially when discussing the evidence and truth of 9/11.
Something to do with freedom and choice. Not fussed on having to be forced to have an ID card. Careful about using my real name as i am careful about where i put my bank card details etc> Its personal to me and i have certain freedom to give it or withold it to whom I wish. Its no big deal.
Fair enough - everyone has and should have a right to privacy. Transparency on a board which is meant to be dealing with important and urgent matters of truth and evidence is always going to be better if you ask me though.
Any answers to that list of questions I linked to? You can tell on 22nd if you like. _________________ Andrew
What I mean by it is that it puzzles me why so many, many people can't just use their real names - especially when discussing the evidence and truth of 9/11.
Something to do with freedom and choice. Not fussed on having to be forced to have an ID card. Careful about using my real name as i am careful about where i put my bank card details etc> Its personal to me and i have certain freedom to give it or withold it to whom I wish. Its no big deal.
Fair enough - everyone has and should have a right to privacy. Transparency on a board which is meant to be dealing with important and urgent matters of truth and evidence is always going to be better if you ask me though.
Any answers to that list of questions I linked to? You can tell on 22nd if you like.
"Transparency on a board which is meant to be dealing with important and urgent matters of truth and evidence is always going to be better if you ask me though."
I agree, can you anwser this please so it doesn't cause more confusion in urgent matters of truth and evidence.
Could conventional explosives have brought the twin towers down on 9/11 ?
Hi Andrew J. I've been to one of your talks on Chemtrails and appreciate your work.
Just one quick question regarding the link of questions above. I dont wish to refute what your hypothesizing. Just curious.
Apologies if the answer is within the link but I'm still reading...
The question regards the "lack of debris" at Ground Zero. I'm assuming that DEW may be the reason why there is a lack of debris?
It may be that there was a lack of debris at GZ that doesn't account for the mass of both twin towers (which is debatable because I've seen pictures and footage of huge piles of it which contradict the pictures in your link)
...but...
... do you query in the same way WTC7? I couldn't see a reference in your link to 7 having a lack of debris and it would seem pretty untenable to suggest a lack of wtc7 debris as there are several pictures of it in a big heap.
Does that therefore mean that DEW were not used on wtc7? and if not -
1: Why
2: Does that mean you believe 7 just collapsed
3: Could they have used thermite on 7 and that's why samples have
been found...
I could be way of the mark with my quessies but as I said I'm only just starting to investigate your side of the ping - po - I mean argument... properly.
Lee, can you please email this talk out to all those emails contacts up (over 50 plus maybe near a 100) i colleted in Jan 2007. Because its an important talk in Liverpool and we carnt get access to the Merseyside truth website. I would do it myself but you keep refusing to share the email list with me.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject:
Stephen wrote:
Lee, can you please email this talk out to all those emails contacts up (over 50 plus maybe near a 100) i colleted in Jan 2007.
After illegible handwriting and fake addresses the emails WE collected in the book I provided in Jan 2007 amounted to a grand total of 14 Stephen.
Stephen wrote:
Because its an important talk in Liverpool and we carnt get access to the Merseyside truth website. I would do it myself but you keep refusing to share the email list with me.
After you and a few others kept asking for the list over and over again I decided to ask some of the people on the list if they wanted us to share their email addresses. They all said no.
After the Beyond Knowledge fiasco last year I'm really glad I didn't share the list.
I will promote this talk as much as I can because I respect the BKS people for their hard work and integrity.
Lee, can you please email this talk out to all those emails contacts up (over 50 plus maybe near a 100) i colleted in Jan 2007.
After illegible handwriting and fake addresses the emails WE collected in the book I provided in Jan 2007 amounted to a grand total of 14 Stephen.
Stephen wrote:
Because its an important talk in Liverpool and we carnt get access to the Merseyside truth website. I would do it myself but you keep refusing to share the email list with me.
After you and a few others kept asking for the list over and over again I decided to ask some of the people on the list if they wanted us to share their email addresses. They all said no.
After the Beyond Knowledge fiasco last year I'm really glad I didn't share the list.
I will promote this talk as much as I can because I respect the BKS people for their hard work and integrity.
You may of got a few before I fought my through the crowed for about hour when everyone else was enjoying the talk. And you asked me to colleted them.
I had nothing to do with the BK confrence last year. And it was the year before in 2007 when you refused to share that email list with me. Some group!
last time i asked it was in single figures oh now its gone aup to the teens now.
So will you be emailing that list?
Well if WE collected the list then WE should share it? Or maybe that list was just for YOU!
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject:
Stephen wrote:
You may of got a few before I fought my through the crowed for about hour when everyone else was enjoying the talk. And you asked me to colleted them.
Yep. You passed the book around that I provided. Well done. We didn't collect that many usable ones that night unfortunately.
Stephen wrote:
I had nothing to do with the BK confrence last year. And it was the year before in 2007 when you refused to share that email list with me. Some group!
You pulled out of the Jan 07 event in december 2006 matey. Don't you remember? Again?
Then I asked you to come to the event as a guest. I asked you to collect the emails to show there were no hard feelings.
Since then you rejoined and left the group 3 times at least. Is that because you couldn't get your mitts on the email list.
You and someone directly involved with the BK conference {someone who was a member of this site} would come along to the meetings and all you would both do is ask me for the email list.
The actions of that person and one of the BK conference organizers {not the BKS folks} has convinced me that not sharing the list was the right thing to do.
Stephen wrote:
last time i asked it was in single figures oh now its gone aup to the teens now.
Funny what people think they remember and what they dont isn't it?
Stephen wrote:
So will you be emailing that list?
Yes.
Stephen wrote:
Well if WE collected the list then WE should share it? Or maybe that list was just for YOU!
But you left the group Stephen. The list seems to be the only thing you're concerned about. Nearly three years after the fact.
You may of got a few before I fought my through the crowed for about hour when everyone else was enjoying the talk. And you asked me to colleted them.
Yep. You passed the book around that I provided. Well done. We didn't collect that many usable ones that night unfortunately.
Stephen wrote:
I had nothing to do with the BK confrence last year. And it was the year before in 2007 when you refused to share that email list with me. Some group!
You pulled out of the Jan 07 event in december 2006 matey. Don't you remember? Again?
Then I asked you to come to the event as a guest. I asked you to collect the emails to show there were no hard feelings.
Since then you rejoined and left the group 3 times at least. Is that because you couldn't get your mitts on the email list.
You and someone directly involved with the BK conference {someone who was a member of this site} would come along to the meetings and all you would both do is ask me for the email list.
The actions of that person and one of the BK conference organizers {not the BKS folks} has convinced me that not sharing the list was the right thing to do.
Stephen wrote:
last time i asked it was in single figures oh now its gone aup to the teens now.
Funny what people think they remember and what they dont isn't it?
Stephen wrote:
So will you be emailing that list?
Yes.
Stephen wrote:
Well if WE collected the list then WE should share it? Or maybe that list was just for YOU!
But you left the group Stephen. The list seems to be the only thing you're concerned about. Nearly three years after the fact.
Why
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Yep. You passed the book around that I provided. Well done. We didn't collect that many usable ones that night unfortunately.
I only passed the book around were i couldnt reach people down the sides, as you know it was chocker block that night, and i went to each person face to face asking them for there email. If you had just shared the email list
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we wouldnt have to go through this if you had just shared the list.
You pulled out of the Jan 07 event in december 2006 matey. Don't you remember? Again? whats this got to do with BK?
The main reasons I pulled out because of the lack of communication. As I never had a PC and I made that clear to you.
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We didn't collect that many usable ones that night unfortunately.
Yeah, well you dont trust me so thats why i keep questoning you.
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Don't you remember? Again?
I remember, but i still do my bit in my own way.
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Then I asked you to come to the event as a guest.
well i carnt remember that, maybe you did. But I didnt really need an invite as it was my idea, and i had a load of dvds videos and books to give to some one who had a stall at the event.
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Since then you rejoined and left the group 3 times at least.
Lee this is getting boring.
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You and someone directly involved with the BK conference {someone who was a member of this site} would come along to the meetings and all you would both do is ask me for the email list.
And we are/were intitiled to do so, otherwise its not a group. its a group of people with there own agendas.
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The actions of that person and one of the BK conference organizers {not the BKS folks} has convinced me that not sharing the list was the right thing to do.
What are you going on about? I told you i had nothing to do with the BK confrence of last year. And I know the person who your talking about why are you bringing this person into this? are you trying make me name names so I metaphorically hang myself ? Coz youve had all weekend think though these questions.
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Yes.
Good.
Lee, you dont half trigger me off sometimes!! You come on this thread all high and mighty like your the saintly one here to share your wisdom with your ping pong. You forget some of your own comments like calling David shayler a turd in a punch bowl a few months after bitting my had off when i said i could get him in Liverpool. and some of nasty stuff you have said about me. Its a bit rich to be honerst.
You still havent answered the qeustions I asked you about poking fun and paying your part with covering up the alternative 9/11 research?
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