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xmasdale
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 Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:43 pm Post subject: New debunking 9/11 movie |
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I have just by chance watched a new programme entitled "911 Conspiracies", screened this afternoon from 4pm to 5pm in the UK on the National Geographic channel. It features a firm of demolition professionals arguing that it would have been impossible to wire up the WTC for controlled demolition without having taken over six months on the task and visibly hacking at the internal partitions to get at the steel structure. They also demonstrate that thermite cannot cut steel and that fire can make steel structures fail. They had scientists conducting "experiments" which "prove" that the Pentagon was hit by a Beoing 757.
David Ray Griffin, Stephen Jones, Richard Gage and Dylan Avery were cast as fools. David Aaronovitch and some journalist from Rolling Stone magazine were brought in as the experts on conspiracy theorists to explain that these gentlemen were all suffering from a mental condition.
I thought the part about controlled demolition at least was presented quite convincingly. I think it may convince a lot of hearts and minds that we are all fools and the government account of what happened is correct.
The lesson for me was that as a movement we should not ally ourselves to any one particular theory about what happened, let the scientists argue about the science but continue to demand a public inquiry where suspects are sub poenad to give evidence under oath. |
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GodSaveTheTeam
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One of the problems within the truth movement has always been to insist that 9/11 was an inside job.
The point of a truth movement is to create mass momentum to find out the truth.
Nothing more. |
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acrobat74
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| GodSaveTheTeam wrote: | One of the problems within the truth movement has always been to insist that 9/11 was an inside job.
The point of a truth movement is to create mass momentum to find out the truth.
Nothing more. |
Spot on.
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scienceplease 2
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:52 am Post subject: Re: New debunking 9/11 movie |
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The National Geographic documentary has finally got to the UK... oh great
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I thought the part about controlled demolition at least was presented quite convincingly. I think it may convince a lot of hearts and minds that we are all fools and the government account of what happened is correct. |
Sure but did it mention military-made nanothermite? Possibilities for wireless detonation? Molten metal? Power-downs in the WTC? WTC7 and its contents? Who controlled the security? Er... I think not. You can always make a convincing case if half the evidence is ignored.
| Quote: | | The lesson for me was that as a movement we should not ally ourselves to any one particular theory about what happened, let the scientists argue about the science but continue to demand a public inquiry where suspects are sub poenad to give evidence under oath. |
Indeed. For example, even if you ignore the Controlled Demolitions (which is most likely), the use of Remote Controlled 767s or means to create the crashes at Shanksville / Pentagon, you still have the unanswered questions of the hijackers merely as patsies in a bigger picture plot - which has not been investigated. The cardinal rule of investigative journalism is "Follow the Money" - something that has not been done for 9/11 (except in "9/11 Press of Truth" and abortive court cases brought by the 9/11 Families).
Perhaps we should just say "9/11 Follow The Money" and we can link the flashbulb memory of 9/11 in people's minds with the Financial 9/11 of 2008. |
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xmasdale
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| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| GodSaveTheTeam wrote: | | One of the problems within the truth movement has always been to insist that 9/11 was an inside job. |
That may be true, but there is no way that those who agree with you on this can prevent others who don't from proclaiming 9/11 was an inside job, so the best way to deal with this is to minimise the arguments about it, agree to differ and to respect each other as fellow campaigners who have different strategies. Aggressive splits between campaigners, so far as the media are concerned, become the story in place of the story we want to see reported that we have been lied to about 9/11 and we need to uncover the truth.
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The point of a truth movement is to create mass momentum to find out the truth.
Nothing more. |
Agreed. |
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xmasdale
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| acrobat74 wrote: | | There will never, ever be a public inquiry on 9/11. |
You may be right. I claim no powers of prophecy. But whether there is ever a public inquiry, the campaign to demand one tends to unite campaigners with differing views about what really happened around a common goal.
If we've never demanded a public inquiry we shall never have evidence that the authorities ignore our demands.
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The effort has always been and will always be about tilting human consciousness.
As such, it has been very successful |
I would say moderately successful. The atmosphere, for instance when leafletting on the street, is much more receptive now than it was when I first started campaigning on the issue in 2004.
Nevertheless, I would say that in Britain the atmosphere among powerful opinion leaders has become even more resistant to our campaigning. At first many of them didn't know what to make of us. Now their attitude is more settled: we are a fractious quarreling bunch of people who have a deep psychological need to believe in conspiracies; and we harbour undesireable elements such as people who believe they are Christ, anti-semites and holocaust deniers. The BBC says so, so it must be true. They are bound in law by royal charter to be truthful and unbiased.
These attitudes have been encouraged by psy ops, including the US military policy of "full spectrum dominance" which encompasses influencing foreign media networks. It would appear that this is a policy upheld by MI5 and indirectly by their influence within the BBC. http://bbc911confile.blogspot.com/2008/06/room-105-bbc.html
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And we will persevere. Always. There's no going back. |
Of course. |
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Micpsi
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| GodSaveTheTeam wrote: | One of the problems within the truth movement has always been to insist that 9/11 was an inside job.
The point of a truth movement is to create mass momentum to find out the truth.
Nothing more. |
Unless one insists right from the start that 9/11 was an inside job or at least allowed to happen, there is no motivation or even reason to find the truth because most people will think that there is no new truth to discover, i.e., the official account is basically right, as far as they are concerned. Merely pointing out some of its inconsistencies that could be explained if were more information were made available by a re-investigation just won't cut it, as far as bringing the true mass murderers to justice. You have to have smoking gun evidence of MIHOP or LIHOP right from the start, requiring a criminal investigation, not an open-ended academic one that disinterestedly seeks the truth, whatever it is. The problem is that - even with such evidence - no official form of inquiry will ever be allowed because those in high places - military, financial & political - who were involved in the black op and its cover-up are too powerful and will prevent it getting off the ground. March on Washington in your millions if you like and see how far that gets you. All you will achieve are tired feet. Present all the evidence of nano-thermate in the WTC you like and it will still be explained away by the government-paid scientific shills. 9/11 has become a religion. Either you believe it or you don't. But don't expect the U.S. government to agree to finding out who is right. It has far too much to lose. |
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