Cockermouth flood - too much police power?

TonyGosling · Last edited by TonyGosling on Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:44 pm; edited 2 times in total

Has anyone noticed how the Cumbria cops seem to be delighting in their overarching powers to prevent people getting back to their homes to start the clearup process?

Closing bridges which appear to be fine.

Turning this into a much bigger crisis than it needs to be which fits into the global warming climate panic agenda. And flexing their new found political muscle.

paul wright · Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject:

Well, yeah. There's much more to this than meets the eye. It's certainly a grandstanding opportunity for police and politicians alike.
And part of a constructed drift that seems to have been going on for the last 2 or 3 years in particular

chek · Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:45 pm Post subject:

This really isn't difficult to understand chaps.

If waterlogging has been found to make more than one bridge unsafe, and it has:
"Structural engineers said last night that there was no chance of saving Calva Bridge after the main deck sank about a foot and a large crack appeared in the central arch over the River Derwent.
The crossing is about half a mile upstream from the Northside Bridge, where PC Bill Barker was swept to his death as it collapsed on Friday. A smaller foot bridge in between the two, known locally as the Navvies Bridge, has also collapsed".
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/uk_and_roi/article692767 2.ece
then as a safety precaution, all similarly constructed bridges cannot be trusted.
It's a matter of life and death, after all.

A similar thing happened here recently when bad weather exposed corporate neglect of the Malahide viaduct which collapsed into the sea and suspended the Belfast-Dublin train service for ten weeks.
Luckily a trainload of passengers weren't drowned in this instance.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/belfast-to-dubli n-rail-line-is-back-on-track-14563867.html

I'm tempted to add that global warming will cause myriad similar changes in established local conditions, but for now, it's just weather.

paul wright · Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the blandishments Chek
The usual from your viewpoint

chek · Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject:

Fair enough, Paul.
Carry on imagining all sorts.
Don't let me stop you.

paul wright · Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject:

Cheers Chek
I don't particularly think that the western British Isles are target for downpours, floods, high winds and storm fronts, but rather that the docile public here will accept this while droughts and forest fires in more southerly climes and more volatile populations require the displacement of atmospheric moisture north, which targets the west of the UK in particular.
This is getting away from Tony's op regarding the implementation of police powers in the face of "natural" disasters, which we should perhaps return to

TonyGosling · Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:35 pm Post subject:

Yes, I could be a victim of Climateophobia this time.
Anyway the police stuff stands.
Cockermouth gauleiters?

chek · Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject:

TonyGosling · Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:42 pm Post subject:

People are trying to get back to safe looking washed out homes with their kids but police turning them back.
That has been made clear on the news.
Aren't the police supposed to be there to help the community?

chek · Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject:

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paul wright · Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:50 am Post subject:

http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/viewtopic.php?t=1731&highlight=
The weather fronts always head northerly over the British Isles while the med dries and often burns
Floods, droughts and forest fires- all situations dependent on authority

Busker · Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:29 am Post subject:

As someone who has been on the scene I can tell you my impressions are this is simply a big clear-up in operation and reading anything more into it is simply a diversion.

I witnessed plenty of knackered people in all manner of uniforms who were pushing on, just trying to their jobs. No attitude or control freakery. Just advice and sympathy for those who had lost everything.

With at least one dead as a direct result of a bridge collapse, I think people would be screaming if another bridge went down and a relative was killed. There was plenty of debris thrown around by the flood water and don't forget structural damage is not always readily apparent.

People are entitled to their beliefs, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree with this thread.

paul wright · Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject:

I'd agree with you there, Busker. I'm sure those charged with local relief are doing their very best. You need to look at the back of these circumstances to see the problem. The loss of local control due to the elements is worth looking at

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