Pentagon hijack impossible - flight deck door never opened

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http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405

[Micpsi]

The claim that the AA 77 Flight deck door was never opened appears to be bogus because this parameter is never even recorded on B757-2 type aircraft such as Flight 77.

Pilots for 9/11 Truth have shot themselves in the foot.

Details at:
http://911blogger.com/node/21980?page=2

[fish5133]

If this is genuine then surely the same data would show when the flight door was opened e.g before it took off and if it subsequently landed and the pilots got out.
certainly needs more research. and as you say micpsi could blow pilots for911 credibility (or maybe thats what its meant to do!

One scenario
I suppose if it was indeed Flight 77 that crashed into Pentagon then if the cockpit door wasnt opened this could suggest the plane was remotely controlled.

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[outsider]

Let's not worry about 'Pilots for 9/11 Truth' losing credibility; they will be happy to defend their corner, should the MSM challenge them.
The info from the flight data recorder does indeed appear genuine, as the flight path is shown to go very near the Pentagon (but too high and on a path impossible for it to have hit the light poles and hit the Pentagon).
I don't think fish has seen the video of thirteen witnesses (including two police seargeants) who saw a Boeing go very near the Pentagon, and very low, but once again on a flight path that could not have hit the poles and Pentagon (also available on 'Pilots' website); also, he and some others still seem to toy with the idea that a Boeing may have hit the Pentagon, despite lack of debris, tiny (16 - 18' entry hole), unbroken windows where the wings, engines and tail would have struck (yet remember, two Boeings were both supposed to have sliced cleanly and effortlessly though STEEL BEAMS (these, by the way, were the only Beams involved on that day!!!) that ran all the way up the outside of both Twin Towers), but at the same time, had the ability to punch through 9' of steel-reinforced concrete. Such a plane, already! (I've heard Israel have put in a large order for these 'wonder-planes' with Boeing, but I can't confirm it).
No Boeing hit the Pentagon; it was a missile and/or explosive demolition charges that punched through those walls.

[scubadiver]

Jesse Ventura on 9/11 - Tru TV.

(According to air controllers and black box findings the supposed Hijackers were in the cockpit before planes took off-- Admin comment added)

Part 1
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8834

Part 2
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8835

Part 3
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8836

Part 4
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8837

Part 5
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8838

Part 6
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8839

[fish5133]

Same stuff now on youtube.
according to black box info the suppose hijackers were already in the cockpits before the planes took off--the implications opens a whole can of worms.

Good stuff but comes across a bit too "hollywood" but if thats waht the uS public expect then this could awaken thousands more


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[scubadiver]

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[fish5133]

[Micpsi]

[Micpsi]

Confirmation that this claim is bogus from another forum:
"After researching the D226A101-3 document, the engineering control document for the FDR on AA77, I think I have found the necessary information to sort this all out.

IC&RD Revision history D226A101-3 shows revs for the FDR for the B757-1 and B757-2 through revision C, and for B757-3 through revision D1, B757-3A through revision F and for B757-3B and B757-4 through revision G.

The FLT DECK OPEN parameter was not added to the FDR data frame until 1997 and then only added to the aircraft type B757-3.

This change plus all changes to the FDR on all B757 aircraft was called out from FAA documentation and is described in Boeing revision document D226A101-3 at [www.orbitfiles.com] .

The Revision Letters A-G are also described in this document and these list the changes for each prior version of the DFDAU flight data recorder, B-E112 found on all B757s and on AA77.

Flight AA77 was a B757-2 with "N" numbers, " of N644AA" indicating that it was built in mid-1991, when this model was manufactured at Boeing and was built as a B757-2. It is now clear that AA77 , a B757-2 did not originally record the status of the FLT DECK DOOR, and all of the updates per FAA requirements described in Version Letters A-G did not change this parameter.

I have gone through all of the updated definition for the data saved on these updated DFDAU units for the data frames for the B757-2 and B757-3 and higher and clearly the FLT DECK DOOR status is saved for the B757-3 and higher revs but it is not even defined and recorded for B757-1 or B757-2. It is not even defined in the DFDAU flight data recorder data frame for the B757-2. Since it is not defined in the data frame it would be grounded and show as "0" or door closed regardless of whether the door was open or closed.

I have also gone through all of the revision letters, A-G that were required by the FAA and the Boeing and supplier reviews and can find nothing calling out any change to the recording of the FLT DECK DOOR status and data frame for the B757-2 type aircraft.

So the claim that the AA 77 FLT DECK DOOR was never opened appears to be bogus because this parameter is never even recorded on B757-2 type aircraft."

thttp://www.selectsmart.com/DISCUSS/read.php?16,735374,735466

[outsider]

Thanks Micspi. I think it would be a good idea for us to drop this issue; I don't believe it was a deliberate hoax, but it will definately be used against us if we continue putting reliance on this 'door never opened' argument.
I trust 'Pilots' will revise their initial interpretation; someone contact them? I don't have time at present.