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blackbear Validated Poster
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:38 pm Post subject: Noam Chomsky 'exposed' as 'Chief Gatekeeper' |
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Chomsky: It Doesn't Matter
Even If There Was A
Conspiracy Behind 911
By Jeffrey Blankfort
jablankfort@earthlink.net
I don't usually send videos to my list but this short clip of Noam Chomsky being interviewed re 9-11 is very revealing in which he says, referring to what critics of the official narrative allege, "what does it matter even if it was true, it wouldn't be significant?" He then refers back to the assassination of JFK in which he still insists that the assassin was Oswald, with the nonsensical comment that "people get killed all the time."
Add to this his routine dismissal of the role of the Jewish lobby in shaping US Middle East policy and it is easy to understand why he is known as the "Chief Gatekeeper."
Will he debate anyone on these issues? Of course, not. He prefers opponents like Alan Dershowitz who is guaranteed not to raise any important issues that Chomsky cannot counter. In this 4 minute clip, he speaks about coincidences that can't be explained but it would be nice if he would explain how it was that the 8000 page Patriot Act was already written, printed, and ready to be sent to Congress immediately after 9-11 when, before the event, there would have been no chance of its passage. Another coincidence?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM
William Rodriguez...........thousands of jews didn't turn up for work.......
"The mullahs + William blasting 9/11 truth across the world could have finally lit the touch-paper to the long-planned bombing campaign against Iran."........My Arse.! |
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Newspeak International Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: |
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Chomsky is waffling so much not a fact has been addressed.
I used to rate him not so long ago.
Waffling Gatekeeper extrordininaire to be sure. |
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antidisestablishmentarian New Poster
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:31 am Post subject: Re: Chief Gatekeeper |
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blackbear wrote: | William Rodriguez...........thousands of jews didn't turn up for work....... |
Blackbear, apologies for derailing your topic slightly, but could you please point out a source for your quote from William above?
I know that many Jewish people were warned by the Israeli Embassy on the morning of 9/11 not to go into work, and that a statistically curious number of Jews were among the victims (i.e. much much less than expected). Also that IM messages were sent through the Odigo software to Jewish people, hours before the attack. Also I know that the 5 dancing Israelis were there with a camera to "document the event". And the Israeli company moving out and breaking their lease before the attacks. So I don't doubt that the statement is true.
But could you point me to a source where William Rodriguez actually confirms people being suspiciously absent from work that day?
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blackbear Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Hello antidisestablishmentarian
William said that to me after the 9/11 (Jimmy Walters) event in Manchester town hall.
Concentrate on the present day holocaust against the black moustaches. |
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uselesseater Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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How typical!
This is the response I usually get from most lefties and communists, a majority of whom probably regard Chomsky as a demi-god.
So Chomsky thinks it's unimportant that 9/11 was an inside job?
He would probably say the same thing if you pointed out that he works for the NWO. I would imagine his flock of slavish followers would say the same. These individuials have as much interest in affecting change as a mechanic does in fixing your car twice as quick and at half the cost. These pathetic deniers are mearly posturing IMHO and they make me sick. They probably even think the Guardian is a trustworthy paper |
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sr4470 Moderate Poster
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Indeed, MIT is a defense contractor (in that it provides technology and research capability for the US military). _________________ "All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller |
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TonyGosling Editor
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:16 pm Post subject: Counterproductive having a go at Chomsky |
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What a mean, impatient waste of time and energy and how counterproductive having a go at Chomsky. No his readers don't worship him, they appreciate the massive contibution he's made to analysis of capitalism, and corporate media in particular.
It was Chomsky that dug out the quote: Quote: | "...somebody has to take governments' place, and business seems to me to be a logical entity to do it." - David Rockefeller - Newsweek International, Feb 1 1999. | and popularised it on the web.
I do wonder if there's a totalitarian control freak element in the way some 911 truth campaigners want to browbeat otherwise ground-breaking intellectuals, academics and journalists into taking on their point of view. Funnily enough they're almost always anonymous. For example some condemn Robert Fisk for not being an outspoken 911 sceptic - they forget that he's a Middle East specialist who hardly ever works on US based stories. The guy can't be a specialist on everything now, can he?
There are lots and lots and lots of reasons why these people don't want to go public with 911 suspicions - if they have them - and one major one is that too many people try to browbeat them into adopting a 911 sceptic point of view.
Most of the others are here under 'Why so little critique of the 911 tissue of lies'?
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=4631
So we must learn to patiently try to persuade, rather than condemn because the latter actively sets our cause back.
Oh yes, and they may also be afraid of being sacked, lumped in with ostensibly loopy 'no planers' or even killed. _________________ www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org
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outsider Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: Counterproductive having a go at Chomsky |
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TonyGosling wrote: | What a mean, impatient waste of time and energy and how counterproductive having a go at Chomsky. No his readers don't worship him, they appreciate the massive contibution he's made to analysis of capitalism and corporate media nin particular.
I do wonder if there's a totalitarian control freak element in the way some 911 truth campaigners want to browbeat otherwise ground-breaking intellectuals, academics and journalists into taking on their point of view. Funnily enough they're almost always anonymous. For example some condemn Robert Fisk for not being an outspoken 911 sceptic - they forget that he's a Middle East specialist who hardly ever works on US based stories. The guy can't be a specialist on everything now, can he?
There are lots and lots and lots of reasons why these people don't want to go public with 911 suspicions - if they have them - and one major one is that too many people try to browbeat them into adopting a 911 sceptic point of view. Most of the others are here under 'Why so little critique of the 911 tissue of lies'?
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=4631
So we must learn to patiently try to persuade, rather than condemn because the latter actively sets our cause back.
Oh yes, and they may also be afraid of being killed, lumped in with ostensibly loopy 'no planers' or even sacked. | I believe many people have tried to convince Chomsky; his unwillingness to investigate (not blindly follow what others say) is very difficult to excuse. Fear of death, being accused of being a 'conspiraloon' or risk of job loss is not an excuse in present-day US; though they do kill people, it is not likely in very high-profile cases such as Chomsky (this cannot be said for many countries, but I believe at present it holds good). And for Robert Fisk being a Mid-East expert, 911 had a huge impact on the Mid-East. And the real dangers of standing up for Truth will only get more dangerous the longer people like them steer clear. Our window for campaigning is very limited, IMO. |
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prole art threat Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: Re: Counterproductive having a go at Chomsky |
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TonyGosling wrote: | What a mean, impatient waste of time and energy and how counterproductive having a go at Chomsky. No his readers don't worship him, they appreciate the massive contibution he's made to analysis of capitalism and corporate media nin particular.
I do wonder if there's a totalitarian control freak element in the way some 911 truth campaigners want to browbeat otherwise ground-breaking intellectuals, academics and journalists into taking on their point of view. Funnily enough they're almost always anonymous. For example some condemn Robert Fisk for not being an outspoken 911 sceptic - they forget that he's a Middle East specialist who hardly ever works on US based stories. The guy can't be a specialist on everything now, can he?
There are lots and lots and lots of reasons why these people don't want to go public with 911 suspicions - if they have them - and one major one is that too many people try to browbeat them into adopting a 911 sceptic point of view. Most of the others are here under 'Why so little critique of the 911 tissue of lies'?
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=4631
So we must learn to patiently try to persuade, rather than condemn because the latter actively sets our cause back.
Oh yes, and they may also be afraid of being killed, lumped in with ostensibly loopy 'no planers' or even sacked. |
More whitewashing and excuse making. _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
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Beezlebush Minor Poster
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: Fifth Columnists at Christmas |
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Seasons Greetings!
It is only right and fitting to remind the reader to TAKE NOTHING AT FACE VALUE written on the subject of 911 - be it by my humble self, by any of the more established, purportedly reputable 'voices' from the deep, dark recesses of this forum - or even by Chomsky out there in The World. However, to perhaps help validate my view that 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, those who have not already done so could do worse than start by Googling the following: 'PNAC', 'Rebuilding America's Defences', 'Cheney Middle East Oil Maps'. You could go to www.Youtube.com website to access and watch films like '911 Press for truth', and '911 Mysteries'. You might spend some time on internet links reached from sites like www.globalresearch.ca or www.911blogger.com. You may even choose to read books such as 'The New Pearl Harbour' by David Ray Griffin',' Crossing the Rubicon' by Michael Ruppert and 'The War on Truth' by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed. I did. I would request only that you CAREFULLY research the ownership and cross check the validity and providence of any information you read before accepting it as true. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF as though your grandkids life and freedom depended on it?? Reach your own conclusions, not someone else's!! Peace to all for 2007. _________________ The Reality-based Community |
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prole art threat Validated Poster
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: Fifth Columnists at Christmas |
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Beezlebush wrote: | Seasons Greetings!
It is only right and fitting to remind the reader to TAKE NOTHING AT FACE VALUE written on the subject of 911 - be it by my humble self, by any of the more established, purportedly reputable 'voices' from the deep, dark recesses of this forum - or even by Chomsky out there in The World. However, to perhaps help validate my view that 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, those who have not already done so could do worse than start by Googling the following: 'PNAC', 'Rebuilding America's Defences', 'Cheney Middle East Oil Maps'. You could go to www.Youtube.com website to access and watch films like '911 Press for truth', and '911 Mysteries'. You might spend some time on internet links reached from sites like www.globalresearch.ca or www.911blogger.com. You may even choose to read books such as 'The New Pearl Harbour' by David Ray Griffin',' Crossing the Rubicon' by Michael Ruppert and 'The War on Truth' by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed. I did. I would request only that you CAREFULLY research the ownership and cross check the validity and providence of any information you read before accepting it as true. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF as though your grandkids life and freedom depended on it?? Reach your own conclusions, not someone else's!! Peace to all for 2007. |
Oh, really....? _________________ 'Maybe if I can show some lurking kids that this is all a pack of lies, then maybe I can make a difference. I don't plan on converting any of you because you're all mad.'
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Beezlebush Minor Poster
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:26 pm Post subject: Fifth Columnists at Christmas |
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Seasons Greetings - Yes Really!
It is only right and fitting to remind the reader to TAKE NOTHING AT FACE VALUE written on the subject of 911 - be it by my humble self, by any of the more established, purportedly reputable 'voices' from the deep, dark recesses of this forum - or even by Chomsky out there in The World. However, to perhaps help validate my view that 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, those who have not already done so could do worse than start by Googling the following: 'PNAC', 'Rebuilding America's Defences', 'Cheney Middle East Oil Maps'. You could go to www.Youtube.com website to access and watch films like '911 Press for truth', and '911 Mysteries'. You might spend some time on internet links reached from sites like www.globalresearch.ca or www.911blogger.com. You may even choose to read books such as 'The New Pearl Harbour' by David Ray Griffin',' Crossing the Rubicon' by Michael Ruppert and 'The War on Truth' by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed. I did. I would request only that you CAREFULLY research the ownership and cross check the validity and providence of any information you read before accepting it as true. RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF as though your grandkids life and freedom depended on it?? Reach your own conclusions, not someone else's!! Peace to all for 2007. _________________ The Reality-based Community |
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commanderson Minor Poster
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Counterproductive having a go at Chomsky |
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TonyGosling wrote: | What a mean, impatient waste of time and energy and how counterproductive having a go at Chomsky. No his readers don't worship him, they appreciate the massive contibution he's made to analysis of capitalism and corporate media nin particular.
I do wonder if there's a totalitarian control freak element in the way some 911 truth campaigners want to browbeat otherwise ground-breaking intellectuals, academics and journalists into taking on their point of view. Funnily enough they're almost always anonymous. For example some condemn Robert Fisk for not being an outspoken 911 sceptic - they forget that he's a Middle East specialist who hardly ever works on US based stories. The guy can't be a specialist on everything now, can he?
There are lots and lots and lots of reasons why these people don't want to go public with 911 suspicions - if they have them - and one major one is that too many people try to browbeat them into adopting a 911 sceptic point of view. Most of the others are here under 'Why so little critique of the 911 tissue of lies'?
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=4631
So we must learn to patiently try to persuade, rather than condemn because the latter actively sets our cause back.
Oh yes, and they may also be afraid of being killed, lumped in with ostensibly loopy 'no planers' or even sacked. |
Holy * Tony! This campaign is in real trouble with left fence appologista like you organising. Chomsky says it doesn't matter if The Gov. committed 9/11, and who cares who shot JFK "people get killed all the time" this guy was the president though! And you support his work, this waffling shill lyer, to me it doesn't matter a jot what chomsky's done in the past, his performance these days shows him up as an intelligence shill rather than intellectual. Why no hecklers leapt upon him for these statments is beyond me aggggrrr these scumbags make me angry, I'd rather have a beer with bush |
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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You ought to put a sock in it unless you can contribute something non-divisive.
Mind you thats why youre here isnt it? _________________ The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist
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PaulStott Relentless Limpet Shill
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Chief Gatekeeper |
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blackbear wrote: | it is easy to understand why he is known as the "Chief Gatekeeper."
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I have never heard anyone refer to Chomsky by that name.
Are you sure you are not conflating your own prejudices with reality? |
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sr4470 Moderate Poster
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Leftist gatekeeper. Not the only significant one. _________________ "All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller |
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anyone read barrie zwickers chapter on 'the shame of noam chomsky and the gatekeepers of the left' from his book 'towers of deception'?
probably the best analysis and critique of chomsky i've encountered. well worth checking out! |
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sr4470 Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: |
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g wrote: | anyone read barrie zwickers chapter on 'the shame of noam chomsky and the gatekeepers of the left' from his book 'towers of deception'?
probably the best analysis and critique of chomsky i've encountered. well worth checking out! |
Its a shame Zwicker falls for the peak oil scam though. Other than that I can't really fault his research. _________________ "All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller |
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Quote: | Its a shame Zwicker falls for the peak oil scam though. Other than that I can't really fault his research. |
got the book in front of me and can't find any mention of peak oil. nothing in the index either. are you confusing zwicker with ruppert? is peak oil a scam? excuse my ignorance |
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sr4470 Moderate Poster
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g wrote: | Quote: | Its a shame Zwicker falls for the peak oil scam though. Other than that I can't really fault his research. |
got the book in front of me and can't find any mention of peak oil. nothing in the index either. are you confusing zwicker with ruppert? is peak oil a scam? excuse my ignorance |
He backs Ruppert and mentions peak oil in an interview with the media and one of his documentaries on 9\11. _________________ "All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller |
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TonyGosling Editor
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John White Site Admin
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:29 am Post subject: Re: Chief Gatekeeper |
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PaulStott wrote: | blackbear wrote: | it is easy to understand why he is known as the "Chief Gatekeeper."
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I have never heard anyone refer to Chomsky by that name.
Are you sure you are not conflating your own prejudices with reality? |
Clearly you've never heard of Alex Jones then
The debate about Chomsky's role as a "gatekeeper" has been ragin across the net for 2 years at least: you should get out in cyberspace more _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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g wrote: | anyone read barrie zwickers chapter on 'the shame of noam chomsky and the gatekeepers of the left' from his book 'towers of deception'?
probably the best analysis and critique of chomsky i've encountered. well worth checking out! |
And Zwicker of course, thanks for reminding me _________________ Free your Self and Free the World |
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iro Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Counterproductive having a go at Chomsky |
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TonyGosling wrote: | What a mean, impatient waste of time and energy and how counterproductive having a go at Chomsky. No his readers don't worship him, they appreciate the massive contibution he's made to analysis of capitalism, and corporate media in particular.
It was Chomsky that dug out the quote: Quote: | "...somebody has to take governments' place, and business seems to me to be a logical entity to do it." - David Rockefeller - Newsweek International, Feb 1 1999. | and popularised it on the web.
I do wonder if there's a totalitarian control freak element in the way some 911 truth campaigners want to browbeat otherwise ground-breaking intellectuals, academics and journalists into taking on their point of view. Funnily enough they're almost always anonymous. For example some condemn Robert Fisk for not being an outspoken 911 sceptic - they forget that he's a Middle East specialist who hardly ever works on US based stories. The guy can't be a specialist on everything now, can he?
There are lots and lots and lots of reasons why these people don't want to go public with 911 suspicions - if they have them - and one major one is that too many people try to browbeat them into adopting a 911 sceptic point of view.
Most of the others are here under 'Why so little critique of the 911 tissue of lies'?
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=4631
So we must learn to patiently try to persuade, rather than condemn because the latter actively sets our cause back.
Oh yes, and they may also be afraid of being sacked, lumped in with ostensibly loopy 'no planers' or even killed. |
i sure wish more people could be as rational and balanced as you in this community tony
i cant be bothered typing sentiments like that these days - it wears me out having to do it 5 times a day - but kudos to you for bothering. |
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g wrote: | is peak oil a scam? excuse my ignorance |
sr4470 you said peak oil was a scam. can you back that up? |
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Quote: | sr4470 you said peak oil was a scam. can you back that up? |
Greg Palast makes this claim in his new book - I've not read it yet, but he reckons he's got some good evidence for it.
However, Palast does not endorse MIHOP, so judging by the tone of this thread he is clearly a shill and not to be trusted. _________________ It's a man's life in MOSSAD |
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uselesseater Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Critisising Chomsky shouldn't be devisive in any way seeing as he is clearly not interested in the truth about 9/11. The fact that some people should find it divisive only hilights the wrong assumption that 9/11 truth is in any way Left leaning or Socialist. We really need to get away from such lables and systems that have been handed down to us by the PTB.
Chomskys stance on 9/11 doesn't really bother or surprise me. My problem with him is that he supports most if not all of the goals of the New World Order. He focuses on the symptoms while acively directing attention away from the real issues such as Money Creation and refers to the CFR, Bilderberg, Trilateral groups as 'nothing organisations'
I think the 9/11 truth movement is in deep * if we haven't woken up to problem reaction solution and the fact that Globalists control both sides.
'Evil Imperialist Capitalist America' cannot possibly construct a New World Order. They are being used to create the problem to which the public will react and then call for the solution of the New World Order which Chomsky advocates.
So it's not that I am persicuting Chomsky for not speaking out on 9/11 as I wouldn't expect anything else although, when the time comes I'm sure he'll be only too willing to offer us the solutions to the problems that the lie of 9/11 has caused.
My problem is that he is clearly in the employ of the establishment.
I do find his comments that 'it doesn't matter if 9/11 was an inside job' disgusting though. Interestingly this is the denial angle I get from most seasoned leftists after you have convinced them out of one form of denial. |
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uselesseater Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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g wrote: | g wrote: | is peak oil a scam? excuse my ignorance |
sr4470 you said peak oil was a scam. can you back that up? |
There's too much oil hence the need to shut down refineries in the US and shut off Iraqs output.
I think there are more known oil reserves now than at any other time in history. Another 600,000 square mile field was just discovered off the coast of North America to name but one.
Just another fake crisis to get a global UN tax on oil at the well head among other things. |
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gareth Suspended
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is peak oil a scam?
is there a definitive study or do i have to rely on your conjecture. conjecture that doesn't even come close to answering the question |
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uselesseater Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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I'm sorry I can't direct you to anything more concrete. Try Greg Palasts new book. |
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