Gestapo Watch - All UK children to be fingerprinted

[wepmob2000]

The only thing Orwell got wrong was the year.............


From The Sunday TimesMarch 04, 2007

Children of 11 to be fingerprinted David Leppard
CHILDREN aged 11 to 16 are to have their fingerprints taken and stored on a secret database, internal Whitehall documents reveal.

The leaked Home Office plans show that the mass fingerprinting will start in 2010, with a batch of 295,000 youngsters who apply for passports.

The Home Office expects 545,000 children aged 11 and over to have their prints taken in 2011, with the figure settling at an annual 495,000 from 2014. Their fingerprints will be held on a database also used by the Immigration and Nationality Directorate to store the fingerprints of hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers.

The plans are outlined in a series of “restricted” documents circulating among officials in the Identity and Passport Service. They form part of the programme for the introduction of new biometric passports and ID cards.

Opposition politicians and privacy campaigners warn that the plans show ministers are turning Britain into a “surveillance society”.

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, said: “This borders on the sinister and it shows the government is trying to end the presumption of innocence. With the fingerprinting of all our children, this government is clearly determined to enforce major changes in the relationship between the citizen and the state in a way never seen before.”

Under the new passport and ID scheme, everyone over 16 who applies for a passport will have their details — including fingerprints and eye or facial scans — added to the National Identity Register from next year.

From October 2009, ID cards will be issued alongside new passports. Initially these will not be mandatory, but Tony Blair has said that if Labour is reelected it will make them compulsory, a process that the documents predict will take just over a decade.

Children under 16 will not be part of the ID card scheme. But the documents show that from 2010 they will still have to be fingerprinted for a new passport.

The prints will initially be stored on the directorate’s database. Once children reach 16 their fingerprints and other personal information will be passed for storage on the register, along with those of nearly 50m adults.

Children applying for passports will have to travel up to 80 miles to special Home Office screening centres to have their fingerprints taken.

The leaked plans envisage 90 new enrolment centres for the ID card scheme on top of the existing network of passport offices. They estimate that it will cost £528m over 10 years in travel costs for the 5.75m people expected to apply for a new passport each year.

The documents also spell out how the cost of passports is set to rise again this year. They say that unless the Home Office can get extra funding for the scheme, the cost of an adult passport will rise by £10 to £76 this October.

The cost will have risen by 81% since December 2005 when it increased from £42 to £51. Last October the price rose again to £66. When Labour came to power in 1997 a passport cost £18.

The plans show that the price of a child’s passport is to rise even more sharply, to £58 from the present £45. The price will have more than doubled in less than two years, rising in stages from £25 to £34 in December 2005 and to £45 last October.

Critics described the plans as a stealth tax on holidaymakers to pay for the controversial ID cards scheme. Ministers have already conceded that the cost of the new combined ID card and passport will be £93 from 2009, but the documents show that price could rise to £109 at to-day’s prices.

A range of further “stealth charges” will also be imposed, according to the documents. Women who change their names if they get married will have to pay £36; a further £27 will be charged to replace a lost or stolen ID card; £26 to replace a damaged card; and £6 for a change of address or personal ID number.

The documents show that ID cards will not be made compulsory for more than a decade, under present plans. “Compulsion will be triggered once 80% take-up is achieved in [the first quarter of] 2019,” they state. “It is assumed that, following compulsion, a 100% registration will be achieved two years later.”

The prime minister has hailed the ID cards scheme as the centrepiece of efforts to combat terrorism and illegal immigration, as well as identity theft and benefit fraud. But opponents dismiss it as a “Big Brother” scheme that is too expensive, poorly planned and unlikely to function efficiently.

Last year leaked e-mails from civil servants warned the scheme could be a “botched operation” that could delay the introduction of ID cards for a generation. The government says the scheme will cost £6 billion to implement. However, in 2005, the London School of Economics estimated it would cost £19 billion.

The Tories have pledged to scrap the scheme if they win the next election.

[mark_e]

Hey, it's already been done in Suffolk. Apparently it's for library cards.

http://www.eadt.co.uk/search/story.aspx?brand=EADOnline&category=News& itemid=IPED26%20Feb%202007%2000:26:47:813&tBrand=EADOnline&tCategory=s earch

This story actually bumped the reporter off from writing about William Rodriguez. It's being done without parental consent too, the first thing people knew about it was when their kids came home and told them.

[David WJ Sherlock]

The government has announced the want to fingerprint all 11 to 15 year old kids. Maybe it is time to kick back and fight this proposal. This country has one of the largest DNA databases in the world. This Orwellian Princaple is eroding the freedom of our rights to live in an open and free democracy. What we allow them to sew, our children will reap.

[Reflecter]

Disgusting isnt it.

http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/

[John White]

And getting more and more obvious every day

Which on the plus side, means becoming more and more visible

A few of my firends have been making mutterings about legging it to Europe recently...which made me smile, as I know they havn't read the EU constitution....

Me, I'm going no-where: whatever happens and however things go

[Reflecter]

Shows your not a rat deserting a shinking ship John. Good for you. Besides as a famous film succintly put it "Where you gonna go to, where you gonna run, where you gonna hide?"

Im more for fighting this peacefully however we best can.

[johndoe]

can anyone actually explain what is so wrong about this?

[Reflecter]

Well at present it is true I believe that the stored biometric prints in Schools are upon non-networked computers. Therefore this information cant be hacked into or accessed by other sources such as the police. However it is pretty clear that training children to hand over such details from such an early age is designed to make compliance with such sytems in future much easier. Plus I highly doubt the police will want to re-print all these kids in future when the data is already available, so I envisage these databases getting added at some point.

The audacity to do this to school kids without parental permission, the fact that legislation regarding use of such data is still in early stages means few safeguards are in place and the fact that WWII was fought to stem 'papers please' styled societies whilst we are walking into a new one. Are reasons enough to feel this isnt a good thing, no matter how benevolent it may at first seem. Or am I alone in such thinking? NOt to mention that our governments are proven liars, usually with their own interests and that of corporations being ahead of public good and the environment. Why trust them over this?


imhho

[Sixy]

I find all of this rather worrying.

As Reflecter said, the information would be stored on school computers, but it is the fact that children will start to see this as the 'norm' and will be more accepting of these sort of changes to our human rights in the future.

I'm a teacher and I know that some schools are piloting schemes where the attendance register is taken via fingerprints. The library scheme, where fingerprints are taken, has been in the education world for a while now.

Thankfully, I've never worked in a school where fingerprints are taken ...and I never will! I wonder if there is an "opt out" option for parents/pupils, or if schools are saying, have the prints taken or else!

I'm currently thinking about ways of bringing issues like this into education itself....thinking of a way to inform children what the issues surrounding surveillance, 9/11, etc. However, trying to do this within the state sector is hard!

If anyone else here has any experience in education and would like to share some ideas and see what possibilities there are, I'd love to hear them. Drop me a pm.

Anyway, the fact that the powers at be want to fingerprint more and more children is a worrying thought, and reality!

[wepmob2000]

Sorry, slightly off topic, but not much...... Supposedly one of the prime justifications behind this is ultimately identity fraud. Isn't it strange that in this day and age, with the high tech verification techniques available, that ID fraud is such a concern (and justification for ID cards, etc). When I was a kid (a very long time ago, when Bros were the band), credit cards and the like were charged via signature and those roller devices which took the details of the card, surely much easier to defraud? Does anyone actually know anyone who has had their ID stolen?

[Abandoned Ego]

[Martin Conner]

[Martin Conner]

[Martin Conner]

Listen, money is bs and bs feeds the vegetation. Eradicate fiscal paradigm and humanity will arrive.
http://www.robinupton.com/people/WizardsOfMoney/

[TonyGosling]

Festung Europa - Hollerith to the power of ten

More evidence of the Nazi nature and roots of the EU and New World Order - actually all European policy is generated by this flash fash club. This database merging is right up their concentration camp tracks.

The European Round Table of Industrialists
http://www.ert.be/


IBM and the Holocaust
http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/
IBM and the Holocaust is the stunning story of IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.

Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.

But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.

IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.

IBM and the Holocaust takes you through the carefully crafted corporate collusion with the Third Reich, as well as the structured deniability of oral agreements, undated letters, and the Geneva intermediaries -- all undertaken as the newspapers blazed with accounts of persecution and destruction.

Just as compelling is the human drama of one of our century's greatest minds, IBM founder Thomas Watson, who cooperated with the Nazis for the sake of profit.

Only with IBM's technologic assistance was Hitler able to achieve the staggering numbers of the Holocaust. Edwin Black has now uncovered one of the last great mysteries of Germany's war against the Jews -- how did Hitler get the names?

[David WJ Sherlock]

Nick Clegg (Lib-dem) as published is opinion about "Fingerprinting" 11-16's. Here is a link to his web site. Please take the opportunity to contact him to let him know your feelings. I am not looking for a debate on this subject. I know there are those of us out there who think we should not trust these politicians. But we need more platforms to speak to these guys. Here are the links to his site:

http://www.libdems.org.uk/news/child-fingerprinting-sign-of-government s-surveillance-state-clegg.12106.html


Contact Mr Clegg

http://www.libdems.org.uk/party/people/mr-nick-clegg.0832.html

[TonyGosling]

Very powerful talk about IBM and Nazi co-operation last year by Edwin Black
Edwin Black spoke in Endicott, NY, the birthplace and for many years the headquarters of IBM, on September 15, 2009.

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVf4KBRdm1Q