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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:52 am    Post subject: 9/11: the impossible, the improbable, the implausible Reply with quote

September 11, 2001. The day the world changed. Or so we are told.

We are also told the events of that day had been subject of several extensive official investigations. There are documents that have been produced as the result of those investigations - namely, the 9/11 Commission Report and an assorted collection of government-commissioned studies. We will refer to the version of events parlayed in the Report as the official version. The following is a partial list of problems found in that version of the events of 9/11.

The items on this list labeled "impossible" are claims laid in the official theory that can not be reconciled with general scientific knowledge. It must be noted that the laws of nature are not absolute and there is some theoretical probability of absolutely any event occuring. Yet some events, such as a boulder leaving the ground and floating through the air on its own, are so unlikely as to be considered impossible. The reason we say they are impossible is that they violate what has come to be known as basic laws of science. In this discussion that determines what we shall refer to as "impossible".

The term "improbable" shall refer to what is theoretically possible but unlikely to occur. Some may say unlikely enough not to be considered a realistic scenario.

The term "implausible" shall refer to what is also theoretically possible but does not conform to expected patterns of human behaviour.

Filed under "Impossible"


* Near free-fall speed collapse of WTC1 (10 seconds), WTC2 (10 - 14 seconds) and WTC7 (6.5 seconds). The collapse of the latter one is most mysterious as that building was not struck by an airliner and only suffered direct strike damage that was largely superficial relative to the scale of the building. Regardless of how the collapse of those three buildings was initiated it is alleged to have been a progressive failure. That is an impossibility as it contradicts basic laws of physics including the Law of conservation of momentum. As calculated by Jim Hoffman it would take a building such as either one of the Twin Towers at least 15.5 seconds to fall as a result of "pancaking" even assuming each subsequent floor being hit by the floors above gave way with no resistance and merely were at a standstill prior to being hit. That model excludes such factors as resistance each floor should be expected to provide, the air resistance or considerations of energy needed to pulverize the contents of the buildings reported to have been turned into fine dust.

* The pools of molten steel found in the ruins of the three skyscrapers that collapsed on 9/11. According to the official version of the 9/11the fires in the towers were not hot enough to melt the steel, merely to weaken it. That point is suspect too but it is pretty much a given that at no point were the fires caused by the aircraft impact hot enough to melt any steel.



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* Four airliners successfully hijacked and subject to intercept procedures are not intercepted, even though one of them, American Airlines Flight 77, flies after being hijacked for over 40 minutes. All four hijackings are facilitated in a highly unusual manner - the pilots are removed from the controls, sometimes murdered, with hijackers taking over the cockpit. All four hijackings occur in what is probably the world's most heavily defended airspace - the US Northeast. The failure to intercept occurs in direct violation of the procedures and guidelines in place.

* The individuals alleged to have taken over the job of piloting hijacked airliners were all characterized by their flight instructors as rather inefficient, if not hopelessly inept, pilots. That is especially striking in the case of Hani Hanjour who allegedly piloted AA 77 into the West Wing of the Pentagon executing a descending turn so difficult that even professional pilots are divided on the issue of whether or not it could be executed at all in a Boeing 757, the aircraft Hanjour allegedly piloted.

* Hani Hanjour, the alleged pilot of AA 77, chooses to aim for the West Wing of the Pentagon. That was an extremely odd choice of target as that part of the Pentagon was at the time udergoing renovation and as a result largely empty. That renovation included installation of blast-resistant windows and other modifications aimed at making the building more fire and blast-resistant. The approach to that part of the building was most difficult. But, knowingly or unknowignly, Hanjour still chose to perform a near-impossible meneuver directing the aircraft under his control at the section of the building opposite from where the offices of the Secretary of Defense and other top brass are. If Hanjour simply dove into the building aiming for the center he would have most likely killed a lot more people there.

* On September 11, 2001 a number of war games, some simulating aircraft hijackings were in progress. Mohammed Atta and his team seem to have chosen a very lucky day for them as, among other things, a number of false radar blips were inserted into civilian and military radar systems to simulate fake hijackings. As a result the air defense system in place had trouble distinguishing real-life hijacked aircraft from the make-believe ones which made proper response difficult if not impossible. This begs several questions. For instance, how often do multiple large-scale war games and disaster preparedness excercises take place on the same day? What is the likelyhood that a team of foreign terrorists alleged not to have any inside contacts would just so conveniently for them happen to schedule their strike for that particular day?


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* Al Qaeda, the group alleged to have been behind the attacks of 9/11, never openly claimed responsibility for them. That makes little sense, if only due to the fact that if they indeed were the perpetrators it would be rather naive of them to expect not to be found out as hardly ever in history has a perfect crime of such a monumental proportion been executed. So if you have indeed commited an act that is in line with your ideology, is likely to enhance your prestige amongst your followers and admirers and is, on top of that, virtually impossible to keep secret for long - then why not just announce it? Instead, according to the official version of 9/11, the culpability of Al Qaeda and its leader Osama Bin Laden was aknowledged by Bin Laden on a low-quality video tape found in Afghanistan. Several Arab aquaintances of mine while not voicing any strong opinions regarding this tape this way or the other claimed that while watching it on TV they could tell that the language spoken was Arabic but the quality of the recording was so poor that they had to read subtitles to understand what was being said. Meanwhile, some experts with a specific experience of translating Bin Laden's speeches claim that the above-mentioned "confession video" is a fake as are most if not all audio recordings attributed to Bin Laden in the recent years.

* The Secret Service fails to evacuate President Bush from the school where he is making a photo-op appearance while the attacks of 9/11 are unfolding. Consequently, no one in his security detail is reprimanded or sanctioned in any way. The event at the Emma Booker Elementary School had been scheduled in advance and was known to the public. It would have been absurd to assume that the President was not a target while a surprise attack was in progress. With a supposedly unknown number of potentially hostile hijacked airliners roaming the sky who and how could have known that one of them would not try and take out the school building where the President was attending an event of no decision-making value? What way was there that one could be sure terrorists would not try to level that building potentially killing the President along with hundreds of bystanders? If you were President and your security detail were so slow thinking on their feet wouldn't you consider firing them - simply out of concern for your own survival if for no other reason? In situations such as that of September 11, 2001 it would be entirely natural for anyone to think of whether or not the threat could directly impact them - in this case, if an airliner could be targeting the location they are at. Many a coworker of mine worried that the government facility I worked at on that day might come under attack. As someone familiar with pilotage I viewed that scenario as unlikely but overall, given the information available at the time, my coworkers' concerns didn't strike me being unreasonable or a sign of panic. Now take into account the fact that security operatives are specifically trained to anticipate potential threats to the persons or objects in their care. Their apparent failure to consider the possibility that an unfriendly airliner might be making its way towards the Booker Elementary would be a certain sign of being unfit for their duty.

* Mohamed Atta, the alleged leader of the terrorist team, checked in a suitcase containing incriminating evidence at the airport in Portland, Maine. Contents included Boeing airliner flight manuals, a copy of the Koran, Atta's will and other papers that later helped federal investigators to trace back the terrorist plot. However, it is very strange that Atta would pack all these things. What he expected to need for the actual hijacking he would have been expected to take with him as carry-on. But why would he carefully collect items that could easily arouse suspicion and pack them in his luggage? According to the FBI he and Abdulaziz Alomari arrived at the airport in Portland with only a few minutes to spare. If any airline security or law enforcement officer became suspicious of them and decided to question them for any length of time that may have interfered with the timing of the whole operation. Why would an expertly trained terrorist such as Atta chance that?

* The 9/11 Commission whose creation the Administration initially opposed was finally created after a staggering 411 day delay. Its final report some came to call The 9-11 Omission Report. This is hardly a joke given the glaring inconsistencies and omissions littering that report. For instance, the mystery of WTC 7 is not mentioned there once. The Administration appears largely content with what the Commission came up with even though one would expect that the country's leadership would be interested in a true exhaustive analisys of how a surprise attack of such magnitude could ever materialize. The unprecedented events of that day also have significant implications for many industries such as insurance, architecture, firefighting, urban planning and others. Yet there does not apear to be much open discussion of such implications. That appears to run counter to what would be expected if 9/11 were truly what the official story would have us believe.

* If there is nothing to hide then why is the US government hiding so much, including records of things anyone could have observed? The question mainly pertains to the multitude of 9/11-related materials the government is reluctant or outright unwilling to release. For instance, the feds are still holding on to some of the videos of the Pentagon attack that were taken by security cameras located in public places.


Please note that the list offered in this article is by no means complete or exhaustive. Can you reconcile these anomalies with the official version of the events of 9/11? Many experts have tried and failed. It must be noted that failure to explain the "impossible" claims alone must inescapably lead one to the conclusion that the official story is a sham, likely designed to cover up the real story.

Let me reiterate it. You've got to either demonstrate - to yourself and preferably others - that the impossible and highly improbable events suggested by the official explaination of the events of 9/11 are somehow possible or to accept that the official explaination of what happened does not hold water. In case it is the latter your choice fundamentally is whether to accept this reality as inevitable or join those who demand a real investigation of 9/11. That choice is yours, and yours alone.

http://pyramid.blog-city.com/911_the_impossible_the_improbable_the_imp lausible.htm
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is a good summary of the case, Truth, and might form the basis of a leaflet.

Good as DVDs are, not everyone has access to means of viewing them and in any case people need material they can easily refer to. An A4 leaflet on these lines could be useful to many, in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it is just a summary but I think the miraculous unburned passport found near the twin towers has to be included as well as the ridiculous notion the "hijackers" would seek flight training in the USA and not Pakistan or Egypt or virtually anywhere else. God, there is much implausibility I don't know when to stop!!
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Implausible: that film makers (aka Naudets - anagram of Duane St) happen to be in one of the few positions in the city which allow filming of the explosuion at the North tower.

Impossible: the Naudets film the first explosion but an object seen approaching the tower is strangely just out of focus although the towers themselves are not (out of focus)

Impossible: aluminium plane slicing through the steel structure of a WTC tower like 'a knife through butter'.

Impossible: no parts being removed from the plane in the process of passing into the building.

Impossible: a plane enters the building and then exits as a missile.

Impossible: a large passenger plane dissappears inside the Pentagon through a 15 foot hole.

Impossible: the plane is vapourised within the Pentagon such that nio substantial wreckage remains.

Impossible: (given the vapourisation of the plane) ALL the passengers are identified by their DNA.

Implausible: that a true teorroist attack on the Pentagon would attack the most sparsely populated and most recently reinforced section of the Pentagon.

Impossible: if a plane simply crashed in Shanksville its debris would be spread over an 8 mile radius in the prevelent wind conditions on 11/9/01.

Of course I could go on and on and so no doubt could you.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you mention the Naudets film Garrett,something that has been troubling me for a while now,(and has been mentioned by another guy who I'm afraid I don't remember) is the timing of the attack on the Pentagon.
In the Naudet film the rookie states "the pentagon is on fire" (PP) and the time on the Fire Stations clock is 09.30.
Since the official time of the attack by flight 77 is around 09.37 ish
why the is there a difference?

Has anyone an reason for this?



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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Newspeak International wrote:
Since you mention the Naudets film Garrett,something that has been troubling me for a while now,(and has been mentioned by another guy who I'm afraid I don't remember) is the timing of the attack on the Pentagon.
In the Naudet film the rookie states "the pentagon is on fire" (PP) and the time on the Fire Stations clock is 09.30.
Since the official time of the attack by flight 77 is around 09.37 ish
why the is there a difference?

Has anyone an reason for this?



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JULES NAUDET'S 9/11 FILM WAS STAGED
http://911foreknowledge.com/staged.htm
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garrett Cooke wrote:
Implausible: that film makers (aka Naudets - anagram of Duane St) happen to be in one of the few positions in the city which allow filming of the explosuion at the North tower.

Impossible: the Naudets film the first explosion but an object seen approaching the tower is strangely just out of focus although the towers themselves are not (out of focus)

Impossible: aluminium plane slicing through the steel structure of a WTC tower like 'a knife through butter'.

Impossible: no parts being removed from the plane in the process of passing into the building.

Impossible: a plane enters the building and then exits as a missile.

Impossible: a large passenger plane dissappears inside the Pentagon through a 15 foot hole.

Impossible: the plane is vapourised within the Pentagon such that nio substantial wreckage remains.

Impossible: (given the vapourisation of the plane) ALL the passengers are identified by their DNA.

Implausible: that a true teorroist attack on the Pentagon would attack the most sparsely populated and most recently reinforced section of the Pentagon.

Impossible: if a plane simply crashed in Shanksville its debris would be spread over an 8 mile radius in the prevelent wind conditions on 11/9/01.

Of course I could go on and on and so no doubt could you.

Garrett


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Impossible: the Naudets film the first explosion but an object seen approaching the tower is strangely just out of focus although the towers themselves are not (out of focus)

The object hitting the Tower however blurred does not look like a Boeing airliner
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Impossible: aluminium plane slicing through the steel structure of a WTC tower like 'a knife through butter'.

Impossible: no parts being removed from the plane in the process of passing into the building.

I've said this many times. It usually ends up with you being quoted as a disinformationist. I agree, it doesn't look like a full-tilt plane hitting a stationary building
Newton's 3rd Law of motion seems to be suspended here
Most people, including the Truthers, see what they've been told to see - the plane entering the building

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Impossible: a plane enters the building and then exits as a missile.

This image is very strange. This 'missile head' is completely out of scale
It's not a conventional missile whatever it is.
http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/missileout/index.htm
Bypass this one
The other points I'd completely agree with, Garrett
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:14 am    Post subject: Dare I ask here "What is Reality"? Reply with quote

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I've said this many times. It usually ends up with you being quoted as a disinformationist. I agree, it doesn't look like a full-tilt plane hitting a stationary building
Newton's 3rd Law of motion seems to be suspended here
Most people, including the Truthers, see what they've been told to see - the plane entering the building


You are so right, "db" Looking at these pictures, I question even more the events of 9/11.


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But there is also another mind at work -- the Mind of the Creator -- and THAT mind is the only one that is truly "real." It creates energy packets, too, and as one aligns more and more with the Mind of the Creator and begins to work more in harmony with THAT instead of the consensus reality of people, then things change in many different ways. The more one is aligned with the TRUE reality of the "real," the more one falls away from seeing and experiencing the way one used to and this can be somewhat disorienting at first. However, as time proceeds and one becomes more acclimated to what is "real" as opposed to fiction, then one begins to see with "different eyes." One begins to experience a shift in identity that can be quite confusing if one seeks to re-engage with the identity one has understood most of one's life. You lose interest in the things that source outside of you and you begin to recognize and respond to those things that source from within you -- the gifts of the Creator that you carry simply because you ARE the Creator-in-expression, not because you have earned them. Fears come up because this is such a radical thing to do. It goes counter to the consensus reality, but it is the consensus reality that is "made up" and is not real. However, in your cellular and species memory, many of you have deep scars from incurring the wrath of the consensus reality when it is challenged and it does not wish to change. These energy packets such as the consensus reality, being self-aware, can resist change as much as any embodied being can. You see this in your institutions, your governments, your armed forces -- in every aspect of human endeavor, these energy packets strive to maintain themselves, much as your “ego” strives to maintain you in your present form.You are pioneers in that you came to forge a path to a totally new world -- not one that is a refurbished version of the present one, but something that has not existed at all, except in your memories of the "future." The world you want to create runs totally counter to the present consensus reality, and would be considered a "danger" to the present system -- an "enemy of the [present] state [of affairs]." How can you REMEMBER something that has not yet been experienced? You can't. You remember this because you ALREADY HAVE experienced this world! You have come here, embodied here, and carried that memory with you, and you are awakening from your amnesia now.What this "looks like" is that you feel more and more alien to the world you perceive around you, and your longing grows to return to what you ALREADY know is "how it should be." Every one of you who resonates with these Messages from deep within your core self has already "been there, done that," to use your expression, but it is the energy packet of "home." You are on the present Earth as messengers (angel means "messenger") and the message you carry, coded within your very cells, is the message of the "good news" of Terra -- the world that lies ahead. By your being here, by your carrying this new tone, this energy packet within you, you are the seeds of that new world, and you carry within you all of the knowledge of how to live that energy packet, but it's not something that you can give to anyone else.You won't GIVE this knowledge to anyone who does not already have it. You carry it within you, and collectively you sound a tone -- a frequency pattern -- that creates a new vibratory pattern. That pattern runs totally against the institutions and invested patterns of the consensus reality, so if it were possible, the consensus reality would try to keep that new pattern from existing. It is not because the consensus reality is "evil" or wants to control you. It's simply that it wants to perpetuate itself. That's the job of that energy packet -- to perpetuate and maintain itself -- and to do so, it must defend itself against all challenges OR change and adapt and incorporate those changes into its new definition of self. But change is not easy when there is so much energy invested in what "has always been." Just as people will resist change until there is much more to gain by changing than by continuing to resist change, the consensus reality will resist change until there is much more to be gained by adapting to new models of thought.Why do we bring this up at this point in time? Because you are approaching one of those boundaries we spoke of in the beginning of this discussion. Depending on where you live, in a very short time, you will cross one of those boundaries that you agree upon, called a "year." This time, the year we are referring to is the one of the Gregorian calendar, the one that says 2005 is about to begin. We refer to THIS particular calendar, because it is the one that is used for global commerce, and it is the interests of global commerce that are the most rigorously defended among the possible competing interests and priorities within the consensus reality. "Commerce is king" in the consensus reality, and all other values and goals are secondary to and dependent on that. Commerce is the engine that keeps the consensus reality ticking along, that keeps people willing to accept many things in order to maintain and improve their material position in a material world. All of that is about to change and change radically. The year you refer to as 2005 is going to see many upheavals. The purpose of these upheavals is not a human one, but an energetic one. The planet has reached a place where it is actively throwing off the "thoughtforms" or energy packets of the past, particularly those energy packets that the human species has created through its consensus reality over time. These upheavals will directly challenge the consensus reality, and much chaos will ensue. At first, the response will be to try to hang on to what WAS -- to preserve it at all costs. But the pressure for change is relentless now, and all things that will not bend and adapt will break instead. In the coming year, everything will undergo the first "contractions" associated with the birthing of this new world.Keep in mind that everything we say only is relevant to the timeline that leads to Terra. All of the people passing from YOUR world continue on another timeline that is not perceptible to you, so the many thousands that just “died” did not die at all, but rather continue on another of the timelines. As they have disappeared from YOUR world, so YOU have disappeared from theirs. It's all in divine order and part of the separating out of the other destiny paths. These "contractions" will challenge the commerce of the world in many ways.


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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were not the only ones to capture the first plane on video. There is at least one other taken from below the tower and looking directly up.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackcat wrote:
They were not the only ones to capture the first plane on video. There is at least one other taken from below the tower and looking directly up.


Are you sure blackcat, I thought it was the 2nd tower?

And thanks for that link Truth I'll have a look.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one I remember was of a tourist being videoed by a friend who must have been squatting as he was capturing the tourist smiling against the background of the rising tower which was all in frame. The plane hit and he naturally jumped out of his skin. I take it that it was the first hit as surely he would not have been so jolly if there had already been a crash. Presumably he would have been videoing that instead.
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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Newspeak International"]Since you mention the Naudets film Garrett,something that has been troubling me for a while now,(and has been mentioned by another guy who I'm afraid I don't remember) is the timing of the attack on the Pentagon.
In the Naudet film the rookie states "the pentagon is on fire" (PP) and the time on the Fire Stations clock is 09.30.
Since the official time of the attack by flight 77 is around 09.37 ish
why the is there a difference?

Has anyone an reason for this?



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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holy nonsense

On the burning bodies in the lobbyof WTC1-

28.33 "It was later proved that jet fuel exploded down the elevators"
pp

I don't know why I didn't notice this statement earlier!

as for the answer to my question,it appears that proby may have been acting the part for 09.30!


As for your comment Johnny, what is N[/q supposed to mean? I mean most people have regular jobs, and can't spend the rest of their free time probing what may be obvious to you and all?

(Bearing in mind I've just spent the best part of my evening going through the link supplied and watching the 911 dvd)
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