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Andrew.
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Seeds of Deconstruction in a wider historical and political context.
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The ironic truth is that Communism has just switched names to become more "politically correct". Today it is called international democracy. The reason that the Berlin Wall came crashing down is not because Communism is dead but because they have achieved the planned agenda to communize the West, including America. Washington D.C. has indeed become part of the New World Order of atheist governments.
With the last vestiges of Christian law having been removed from "American government" over the last twenty years, there is no longer a threat of resistance against world Communism. In reality, "American government" became part of the Iron Curtain, thus there was no more need for the likes of a Berlin Wall. Once again, in their foolishness, the American public has believed the lies of their "leaders" who applaud "the fall of Communism", while they have sold out the country to anti-Christian, anti-American statutes and regulations on the federal, state, and local levels. Posted below is a comparison of the original ten planks of the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart of each of the planks, The American people have truly been "buried in Communism" by their own politicians of both the Republican and Democratic parties. One other thing to remember, Karl Marx was stating in the Communist Manifesto that these planks will test whether a country has become commmunist or not. If they are all in effect and in force the country IS communist. Communism, but by any other name...??
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.
The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance
We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels
We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). This private bank has an exclusive monopoly in money creation which in reality has ended the need for revenue from taxes. So why do they tax? To FOOL YOU into thinking they need them.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State
We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. There is also the postal monopoly, AMTRACK and CONRAIL
7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.
8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.
10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.
People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .
So I ask you...does changing the words, change the end result? By using different words is it all of a sudden OK????? We are so "smart," aren't we??
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Andrew.
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"Communism, Fascism or Democracy?"
“By dividing the electorate this way, we'll be able to have them spend their energies at struggling amongst themselves on questions that, for us, have no importance whatsoever, and on which we only touch upon as instructors of the common flock."
From Unites States Bankers Magazine, 1892. Yet still prudent.
You can’t wake someone up, who is pretending to be asleep.
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Vinciguerra
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| Andrew. wrote: | | Posted below is a comparison of the original ten planks of the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart of each of the planks, The American people have truly been "buried in Communism" by their own politicians of both the Republican and Democratic parties. One other thing to remember, Karl Marx was stating in the Communist Manifesto that these planks will test whether a country has become commmunist or not. If they are all in effect and in force the country IS communist. Communism, but by any other name...?? |
So what did Charlie Marx actually write in the Communist Manifesto?
| Pinko Bible wrote: | The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.
Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production.
These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable. |
(he then lists the 10 'planks')
Note that Charles is not describing means for testing whether or not a country is Communist, but a series of 'policies' that show that the proletariat class is seizing power from the bourgeois class. Note also that he does not advocate this centralisation of power in the state as an end goal in itself, but as an unavoidable step in 'entirely revolutionising' the social order via revolutionising the mode of production. He says these policies will 'outstrip themselves' and be replaced. He explicitly says they will 'be different in different countries' and that they are 'pretty generally applicable' only in the 'most advanced countries'.
Now, you can dispute all you like whether Marx is right about this, whether his explanation of how history works and will progress is accurate, whether a state where everyone belongs to a single productive class where property and the products of labour are held communally is a desireable scenario, or a preferable one to the current social order, or a likely progression out of the current social order.
However, the interpretation that these are the tests of whether a country is Communist is ludicrous, given how Marx actually presents them - as contingent, partial, temporary 'policies'. Turning them into some be all and end all, and then finding things that sorta look like what Marx is saying but not really if you pay attention to the details, does not mean the US is a Communist state. It's an argument clearly borne from a desired conclusion, just as your posting it here in lieu of explaining yourself is an argument borne from a desired conclusion. You want it to be true that Marx is some sort of Rothschild secret agent and that Marxism is a product of Wall Street, and so you leap on things you haven't really considered as evidence of this. Not to mention that you're only doing this to avoid confronting the fact your comments on my film are completely unsubstantiated. Now, you can keep posting interpretations of Marxism by people who have evidently haven't even read the Commie Manifesto all you like, all it does is show that you too haven't actually read the Commie Manifesto. Or at least, haven't paid any attention to what it was actually saying, and are therefore not in a position to assess whether it is valid or invalid, and certainly not in a position to assess its historical significance.
| Quote: | “By dividing the electorate this way, we'll be able to have them spend their energies at struggling amongst themselves on questions that, for us, have no importance whatsoever, and on which we only touch upon as instructors of the common flock."
From Unites States Bankers Magazine, 1892. Yet still prudent. |
A case in point. What the Bankers Magazine probably means (I haven't read the whole article from which this snippet is taken) is that a proletariat revolution in the ownership of the means of production is 'trumped' by the centralisation of the creation of money, and the creation of money as debt. Marx's biggest failing is to have missed the importance of the origin of money, he saw debt as simply the product of a system of surplus value, rather than a tool for the ruling class to lord over everyone else. Proudhon figured it out, Marx didn't.
Also, is the above quotation even referring to what you claim it is referring to, let alone saying about it what you are saying about it? |
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Andrew.
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| Quote: | | So what did Charlie Marx actually write in the Communist Manifesto? |
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The Evil of Usury
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/usury.htm
Did Karl Marx ever attack private money creation privileges and international bankers?
No, his whole system proposed not the abolition of illicit private money creation and destruction powers, but its consolidation under a system of complete economic, political and religious domination of the entire world by a few internationalists.
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Karl Marx: Anti-Semite
JAMES B. WHISKER
http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/5/1/Whisker69-76.html
It is from such statements as these, and from the basic tenets of A World Without Jews, that we discover some of the reasons for the mass appeal of National Socialism among the German working class to which Marxism-Leninism had once appealed. The fundamental and overriding racism of Marx himself helped to create an atmosphere in which Alfred Rosenberg's Zur Protokollen wisen Zionismus could be accepted. The anti-Semitism of the master communist planner and theorist - and Jew - Karl Marx, helped to create the preconditions for the later acceptance of Alfred Rosenberg's many conclusions about Jews in Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts. |
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Vinciguerra
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| Andrew. wrote: | | Quote: | | So what did Charlie Marx actually write in the Communist Manifesto? |
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The Evil of Usury
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/usury.htm
Did Karl Marx ever attack private money creation privileges and international bankers?
No, his whole system proposed not the abolition of illicit private money creation and destruction powers, but its consolidation under a system of complete economic, political and religious domination of the entire world by a few internationalists.
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Karl Marx: Anti-Semite
JAMES B. WHISKER
http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/5/1/Whisker69-76.html
It is from such statements as these, and from the basic tenets of A World Without Jews, that we discover some of the reasons for the mass appeal of National Socialism among the German working class to which Marxism-Leninism had once appealed. The fundamental and overriding racism of Marx himself helped to create an atmosphere in which Alfred Rosenberg's Zur Protokollen wisen Zionismus could be accepted. The anti-Semitism of the master communist planner and theorist - and Jew - Karl Marx, helped to create the preconditions for the later acceptance of Alfred Rosenberg's many conclusions about Jews in Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts. |
I think you'll find neither of those links is the Communist Manifesto. Vague accusations of Marx being a self-hating Jew are just a distraction from the points I outlined above. Either respond to them, or admit that you don't know what you're talking about. |
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Andrew.
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| Quote: | | Either respond to them, or admit that you don't know what you're talking about. |
I think those links are fine as far as needs to expose Marx thus far.
But tell me as a test how should economics be, rather than point to all the faults we find with it.
Show me the Communist Manifesto economic monetary policy?
| Quote: | | I think you'll find neither of those links is the Communist Manifesto. Vague accusations of Marx being a self-hating Jew are just a distraction from the points I outlined above. Either respond to them, or admit that you don't know what you're talking about. |
It was important for a certain ruse that was about to take place and continues to this day; we have just been talking about that subject on this forum. |
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