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 Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: Lebanese politico' Rafiq Hariri assassinated |
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| Has this incident been investigated for false flagism? Who benefits from Syria taking the rap? Bush&Bliar 'killing for the greater good' inc.??? |
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Yes, looks like they're laying the groundwork. Expect a few more "Syria are bad guys" events in the next few months.
Expect action to be taken vs Iran on around the end of March, that's when they cease trading oil in $ and switch to the € ...
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| Quote: | | Expect action to be taken vs Iran on around the end of March, that's when they cease trading oil in $ and switch to the € ... |
That just may well be the kicker for the US.
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Curiouser and curiouser ?
Well, maybe not.
Count the number of times the msm has been using the term "anti Syrian" in the context of Pierre Gemayel's murder. Clearly then, we are supposed to believe, as are the Lebanese public, that this is another in a long line of Syrian sponsored assassinations of Lebanese politicians and journalists.
Well, if that's what we are being forced to consume, then as we know by now, it is probably not the whole truth.
Qui Bono from reducing Syria's influence in Lebanon ?
Qui Bono from destabilising Syria ?
Who has publicly stated that this is a desirable goal ?
Now let me see . . . .
| Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser wrote: |
... and diverting Syria’s attention by using Lebanese opposition elements to destabilize Syrian control of Lebanon. |
The murder of Rafiq Hariri "inspired" the Cedar Revolution and the susbsequent removal of the Syrian military from Lebanon.
The subsequent assassinations of Samir Kassir, George Hawi, Gebran Tueni and the attempted assassinations of Elias Murr and May Chidiac have all served to further destabilise Lebanon and further alienate Syria from both Lebanese influence and world opinion.
This couldn't all be part of a strategic game of chess could it ?
Nah, that would be conspiratorial and silly.
Extracted from the pivotal report:
A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
Following is a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies’ "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy.
http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm
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Robert Fisk: Gemayel's mourners know that in Lebanon nothing is what it seems What would be the best way of undermining the burgeoing power of the pro-Syrian Hizbollah, which demanded the resignation of Siniora's cabinet? By killing a government minister, knowing that many would blame the murder on Syria's Hizbollah allies?
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5553
Rigorous Alice............... this is a catastrophe of enormous proportions. I was just sick when I read this.
Until this happened, the unpopular Lebanese government was desperate, cornered like rats. According to the Lebanese constitution, the resignation of the Shi'ite block from the Cabinet means that the government MUST call new elections, which they are sure to lose, because whatever little credibility they had was blown away by their actions during and after Israel's bombing campaign last summer.
Hizbullah, on the contrary, became enormously popular, as did Christian General Michel Aoun's movement, which became a magnet for many Christian Lebanese, severely eroding the current government's base.
Hizbullah's leader, Sayed Hassan Nasrallah, made a speech 2 days ago, announcing that, since the government is refusing to step down, even though it is legally obligated to do so under the constitution, the people would have to take to the streets in strictly peaceful, non-violent and non-hostile demonstrations demanding new elections.
He specifically warned the people of Lebanon that, although the government forces might use violence, they were under no circumstances to respond to the provocation, but remain peaceful and quietly determined.
Things were looking worse and worse for the illegitimate, despised Lebanese government, who looked as though they had failed in their promises to hand Lebanon over to their US/Israeli bosses.
But Israel knew one way out, one that was tried and true, since the Lavon Affair of the 1950s, the bombing of the USS Liberty, the "Libyan Death Squads" psyop of the 1980s, which led the US to bomb Libya, and many other suspicious bombings and assassinations that were loudly blamed on Israel's enemies, while evidence to the contrary was hushed up by the press, or even through the quiet liquidation of witnesses.
Assassinating the fascist Pierre Gemayel (this is not an exaggeration: the extreme right-wing "Christian" "Phalange" was directly modeled on Mussolini's fascist militias), is guaranteed to make his devoted followers crazy with the lust for revenge. Like the Ku Klux Klan after the suspicious death of a white man, since they already hate the Shi'a beyond all reason, they will almost certainly commit some horrible act of violence against the object of their insane hatred, possibly (God forbid!) plunging all of Lebanon into a new civil war. Just what Israel and the US want so much, as they dream of a Lebanon divided into mini-states, including an extremist right-wing Maronite Christian statelet allied with Israel in its hatred of Muslims.
We already have a bloody hell in Afghanistan, Iraq, in the Israeli-occupied territories, and Lebanon had a dose of hell this summer.
Personally, I've gone crazy each time, whether it was in the year leading up to the invasion of Iraq, or knowing what Israel was planning to do after Sharon was elected Israeli prime minister, and even knowing that Israel was planning to invade Lebanon, as soon as I watched the aftermath of the Hariri assassination. It's an agony, knowing that terrible people are planning horrible crimes, and not seeing anyone stop them.
Am I psychic? No. Am I a genius? No. Any idiot who is informed about the facts and doesn't get distracted by the birdie from watching the magician's hands, can see exactly what he is doing. He's not that good a magician.
Unfortunately, there are too many people who are either ignorant, or who so badly want to believe the magician's spiel...
Some background, from below the radar:
"Of all the carbombs, attacks and assassinations that have plagued Lebanon in the past two years, it is interesting to note that the perpetrator of only one attack is known.
In May 2006, a March 14th deputy from northern Lebanon, Misbah Al-Ahdab, ordered his bodyguard to fire at his home in Tripoli. Al-Ahdab and the government hastily blamed pro-Syrian forces for this act of intimidation. Until the bodyguard was arrested and revealed that Al-Ahdab had ordered him to fire at the house to cause a media stir. After revealing this embarassing fact, the bodyguard, Jihad `Abdul-Hamid Al-`Aklah, was found hung in his cell the next morning. Nobody knows how he managed to smuggle a thick coil of rope into his cell. His family’s accusations of foul play and calls for an investigation went largely unreported."
http://anecdotesfromabananarepublic.blogspot.com/2006/10/apocalyptic-w eather-buddhabar-under.html
Does ANYbody still harbor doubts that "al-Qaeda" exists as anything but a US sock-puppet?
Website Used by Qaida Incites Lebanese Sunnis Against Hizbullah
A statement posted Friday on an Internet website used by Al-Qaida's branch in Iraq called upon Lebanese Sunnis to confront Hizbullah which it accused of wanting to dominate the country.
"We call on our brothers in Lebanon ... to face up to Hizbullah and the hatred of the rafidha (a pejorative term for Shiite Muslims) and prepare for a confrontation," appealed the statement from the "Mujahedin of Lebanon."
The tone and wording of the statement is similar to that of messages from the Al-Qaida branch in Iraq.
"Today they want to dominate Lebanon in its totality, allying themselves with the crusaders in Lebanon, to definitively eliminate the Sunni community. The rafidha should know we are ready to combat them," said the statement, which also slammed Iran and Syria.
The statement accused Hizbullah of being under the control of Syria, which it charged had opened the door to Iranian influence in the country.
A message last week purportedly from the head of Al-Qaida in Iraq, Abu Hamza al-Muhajer, called on Sunnis to stand up to Iran, Syria and Hizbullah.(AFP) (Naharnet file photo shows a Hizbullah flag carried by the party's supporters)
http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/getstory?openform&63775 129C5C5908EC22572290027232B
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:20 pm Post subject: The burden of suspicion. |
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Little doubt to anyone with half a brain, that the suspicion must fall at least as equally on the Western intelligence agencies, and in particular the strand of Western intelligence who's motto states 'waging war by deception'. It cant be too difficult for the masters of deception to infiltrate any supposed "Al Quaeda" group, or "Hezbullah" team to pull this off.
The Sayerat Matkal being such a team.
All of these intelligence agencies peeing in the same pot of course. The pot of the global elite.
The global Elite; The same people who located Is-Ra- El in the precise location they did, and for the exact reasons they did.
The same global elite who laugh at the Jews, just like they laugh at Christians, Muslims, Catholics, et cetera.
I suggest it is always important to make this clear distinction. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: You never actually even saw a body... |
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but a car with what appears to be blood stains on it.
Nothing new in that. Old trick.
According to the Lebanese constitution and part of the agreement of the ceasefire from the days of the civil war which the Christian falangists and their israeli and US backers lost was that you would have a preisdency with representatives from each religious/political faction.
When Hizbollah resigned its positions from the government new elections should have been held. Instead the Gemayel 'assasination' intervened.
To what end? Setting up Syria to take the fall? With what forces? Israels?
Will be fun as Israel took a hammering blow in the summer, one from which they will never recover... |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: You never actually even saw a body... |
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Will be fun as Israel took a hammering blow in the summer, one from which they will never recover... |
Not sure about that one, they learned a few lessons about using conventional forces against an unconventional enemy, same as the USA did in Vietnam and the USSR in Afghanistan. Hopefully they're adapting their tactics to better suit future such conflicts, with more use of special forces, etc. They could learn a few things from British tactics in Malaya, and U.S tactics in Afghanistan.
The last time Israel suffered a real military setback, in 1973, they learned from it and became stronger than ever. It is to be hoped a similar process is underway now. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: You never actually even saw a body... |
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Not sure about that one, they learned a few lessons about using conventional forces against an unconventional enemy, same as the USA did in Vietnam and the USSR in Afghanistan. Hopefully they're adapting their tactics to better suit future such conflicts, with more use of special forces, etc. They could learn a few things from British tactics in Malaya, and U.S tactics in Afghanistan.
The last time Israel suffered a real military setback, in 1973, they learned from it and became stronger than ever. It is to be hoped a similar process is underway now. |
I like that one they "learnt a few lessons" hey?
So is that why they invaded Iraq the Yanks, and nearly every military man worth his salt has stated both in Iraq and Afghanistan the war is unwinnable?
Didn't the Brits lose in Malyasia or do we still own that place?
Israel became so strong in 1973 that they invaded Lebanon and lost it. Then they did the same this summer and lost that one as well. |
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Didn't say who won what, just expressed the hope that the Israeli's have absorbed the successful tactics used in these unconventional wars.
Britain found in Malaya that the use of small but highly trained SAS squads was the best way forward. In Afghanistan some of the most successful tactics have seen the use of unconventional tactics, for example the use of cavalry by the U.S.
Hopefully Israel will take a more oblique view of the best way forward in terms of unconventional warfare. Instead of treating such a scenario like a conventional battle, the use of more left-field tactics and ideas might yield a better result, if there is a next time.
I agree about the USA, they obviously forgot the lessons meted out to them by the Vietnamese, instead once again they entered countries with no clear idea of what to do, what their aims are, or how they might 'win'. Its amazing how history repeats itself, and how leaders are consistently deluded by the promise that their high technology can win 'this time around'. It is to be hoped that the Israeli's are a little more intelligent than the USA has proved to be. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: What there good at... |
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| wepmob2000 wrote: | Didn't say who won what, just expressed the hope that the Israeli's have absorbed the successful tactics used in these unconventional wars.
Britain found in Malaya that the use of small but highly trained SAS squads was the best way forward. In Afghanistan some of the most successful tactics have seen the use of unconventional tactics, for example the use of cavalry by the U.S.
Hopefully Israel will take a more oblique view of the best way forward in terms of unconventional warfare. Instead of treating such a scenario like a conventional battle, the use of more left-field tactics and ideas might yield a better result, if there is a next time.
I agree about the USA, they obviously forgot the lessons meted out to them by the Vietnamese, instead once again they entered countries with no clear idea of what to do, what their aims are, or how they might 'win'. Its amazing how history repeats itself, and how leaders are consistently deluded by the promise that their high technology can win 'this time around'. It is to be hoped that the Israeli's are a little more intelligent than the USA has proved to be. |
Taking account that it is a US airbase surrounded by millions of Arabs and propped up in the last ten years or more by immigration from the ex-USSR the best thing they can do is to head off back in their ship to wherever they came from.
So many wars for the sake of a strip mall and the last colonial entity supported by the western powers for the sake of oil wont save them. Better a quick end than a prolonged end with no end in sight.
The use of your language is weird. There is no such thing as 'unconventional' war. The Brits have LOST every single war where they had to deal with an insurgent local population. Initially they had successes due to the friendliness of the locals and the superiority of weapons but after decades of occupation even the locals learnt how to fight. An FI6 is no more conventional than an IED. They are both there to kill and maim.
The Yanks haven't learnt any lessons and are doomed to repeat the past. History only repeats itself to those who grew up on the back of a defeat-Vietnam. This whole generation of US politicians from Rumsfield, through to Cheney, to Baker etc only knew defeats. This is what they are GOOD AT. Losing.
When reality catches up with the lies then they will follow the sewer they opened up on the backstreets of Iraq. For that is where they are heading as night follows day.
Like every empire before them and AFTER them. If there will ever be an empire after the American one. |
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Wepmop 2000 ...you state the following:
"Hopefully they're adapting their tactics to better suit future such conflicts, with more use of special forces, etc. They could learn a few things from British tactics in Malaya, and U.S tactics in Afghanistan.
The last time Israel suffered a real military setback, in 1973, they learned from it and became stronger than ever. It is to be hoped a similar process is underway now."
We are talking about the supremacist, racist, murderous state of Israel.....
Why do you not give a damn about the present holocaust against the black moustaches.........find a nazi site you hypocrite. |
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Could this have anything to do with igniting conflicts between muslims and christians?
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: Re: What there good at... |
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Taking account that it is a US airbase surrounded by millions of Arabs and propped up in the last ten years or more by immigration from the ex-USSR the best thing they can do is to head off back in their ship to wherever they came from. |
This is truly the language of the BNP my friend, so you say to the people born and bred in Israel, to whom it is their homeland.... 'Go back to where you came from'?
| conspirator wrote: | | The use of your language is weird. There is no such thing as 'unconventional' war. |
Ahem, a war where battlelines are drawn, and regular insignia and uniforms are worn, this is a 'conventional war'. Granted the division has become blurred in the last 70 or so years, with the advent of total war, but the division remains, you are either a member of a governments armed forces or not. If you fight without without these trappings, you are engaged in unconventional warfare. The Germans referred to partisans as 'terrorists', as they were fighting unconventionally.
| conspirator wrote: | | The Brits have LOST every single war where they had to deal with an insurgent local population. Initially they had successes due to the friendliness of the locals and the superiority of weapons but after decades of occupation even the locals learnt how to fight. |
Suggest you have a look at some history books, start with the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya in 1948
| conspirator wrote: | | History only repeats itself to those who grew up on the back of a defeat-Vietnam. This whole generation of US politicians from Rumsfield, through to Cheney, to Baker etc only knew defeats. This is what they are GOOD AT. Losing. |
Hmmm, look at Gulf War I, an unqualified success in terms of military operations I would say, hardly a defeat for the U.S. Who remembers the great Iraqi victory in Gulf war I, most people only seem to recall a great Iraqi retreat?
| conspirator wrote: | | When reality catches up with the lies then they will follow the sewer they opened up on the backstreets of Iraq. For that is where they are heading as night follows day. |
Are you sure you're not really called Comical Ali, he would be proud of that!
| conspirator wrote: | | Like every empire before them and AFTER them. If there will ever be an empire after the American one. |
Yes, the Chinese empire........[/i]
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We are talking about the supremacist, racist, murderous state of Israel.....
Why do you not give a damn about the present holocaust against the black moustaches.........find a nazi site you hypocrite. |
A 'Nazi site', yeah of course...... Jew go to Nazi site, very logical. However I suggest you look here......
http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/11/18/isrlpa14639.htm
and here....
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/11/22/isrlpa14652.htm
and here....
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/10/18/lebano14412.htm
and here......
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/10/06/isrlpa14337.htm
and here....
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/10/05/lebano14336.htm
....before you dare to assume for one second that only Israel is the only guilty party in the middle east. And no, Human Rights Watch are not the libertarian branch of the NRA, they are the same folk who suggested Saddam had an unfair trial (put a bullet in the back of his head I say).
I say you ought to stop believing all the lies put forth by the Arab press as well as the Western press before you steam in and accuse one nation or another of being
| blackbear wrote: | | supremacist, racist, murderous. |
Of course we all see the death camps where thousands of Arabs are at this moment being slaughtered 
Suggest you have a look at a real, genuine, not imaginary genocide, like in the Darfur region, or aren't the perpetrators Israeli enough for your liking? |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:10 am Post subject: Re: What there good at... |
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| wepmob2000 wrote: | | conspirator wrote: |
Taking account that it is a US airbase surrounded by millions of Arabs and propped up in the last ten years or more by immigration from the ex-USSR the best thing they can do is to head off back in their ship to wherever they came from. |
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This is truly the language of the BNP my friend, so you say to the people born and bred in Israel, to whom it is their homeland.... 'Go back to where you came from'? |
Stealing other peoples land doesn't make it your 'homeland'. But then again people who spoke of homelands whilst robbing others of it do have a history. Its called colonialism. Using the word BNP to justify the continued existence of the state of Israel to justify more anti-semitic wars doesn't aid you.
| conspirator wrote: | | The use of your language is weird. There is no such thing as 'unconventional' war. |
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Ahem, a war where battlelines are drawn, and regular insignia and uniforms are worn, this is a 'conventional war'. Granted the division has become blurred in the last 70 or so years, with the advent of total war, but the division remains, you are either a member of a governments armed forces or not. If you fight without without these trappings, you are engaged in unconventional warfare. The Germans referred to partisans as 'terrorists', as they were fighting unconventionally.
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Nazis who occupied and butchered half of Europe and were directly responsible for killing 30million Russians referred to 'partisans' as ...'terrorists'. Here I'm lost for words as you must be a Nazi apologist nothing more or less. Rumsfield referred to the Iraqui partisans as 'dead enders' 'baathists' 'terrorists' showing to the world that conventionally invading a country against the wishes of its people doesn't lead to the process being any more legitimate than the lies used to perpetrate this genocide. The Geneva convention exists as well but this never stopped the creation of Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib.
The only division that exists is either the war is justifed or it isn't. There never was such a thing as conventional warfare, for an invasion a priori is an unconvnetional act of barbarism and savagery. The means to an end, an ending of the invasion are justified with whatever forces you have at your disposal.
| conspirator wrote: | | The Brits have LOST every single war where they had to deal with an insurgent local population. Initially they had successes due to the friendliness of the locals and the superiority of weapons but after decades of occupation even the locals learnt how to fight. |
| Quote: | | Suggest you have a look at some history books, start with the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya in 1948 |
I have. Last time I was in Nairobi the Brits weren't in direct control. Granted they still have some leftovers in an area known as 'happy valley' (irony still aint dead) where whites go round killing blacks as if their game, but withing our lifetime, they will have all been forced out.
| conspirator wrote: | | History only repeats itself to those who grew up on the back of a defeat-Vietnam. This whole generation of US politicians from Rumsfield, through to Cheney, to Baker etc only knew defeats. This is what they are GOOD AT. Losing. |
| Quote: | | Hmmm, look at Gulf War I, an unqualified success in terms of military operations I would say, hardly a defeat for the U.S. Who remembers the great Iraqi victory in Gulf war I, most people only seem to recall a great Iraqi retreat? |
Where was the victory? The Iraqui army retreated on orders from Saddam. Like they did with the invasion many years later. What you forget is that an army aren't the people. If the generals of any given land sign deals behind peoples back then for appearances sake a retreat occurs. But that is only because no battles were fought. The media will spin you any story you want. The proof of the pudding is when the war finally arrived in Baghdad, who won? The Yanks? Theres a place going in Rumsfields departure. Your services are needed. I'm sure they will understand...
| conspirator wrote: | | When reality catches up with the lies then they will follow the sewer they opened up on the backstreets of Iraq. For that is where they are heading as night follows day. |
| Quote: | | Are you sure you're not really called Comical Ali, he would be proud of that! |
I dont go round stating partisans are terrorists because the Nazis said so. Nor am I an apolgoist for the USA airbase in the Middle East, or the neocons. I leave that part of the comedy show to you and Comical Ali who is one of yours, probably sunning himself in Florida like half of all the other gangsters from around their world.
| conspirator wrote: | | Like every empire before them and AFTER them. If there will ever be an empire after the American one. |
Yes, the Chinese empire........[/i] |
What empire? They haven't even got Taiwan back yet, and to travel to Hong Kong and Macau you go through passport controls. Funny sort of Empire... based on selling goods to Yanks. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:14 am Post subject: era of the west is waning... |
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Of course we all see the death camps where thousands of Arabs are at this moment being slaughtered
Suggest you have a look at a real, genuine, not imaginary genocide, like in the Darfur region, or aren't the perpetrators Israeli enough for your liking? |
700,000 have been slaughtered in Iraq.
1,500 were slaughtered in Lebanon.
'Human rights watch', 'amnesty international' all NGO's in one way or another work for western imperialism.
The era of the west is waning in the Arab world. Continue your line. It will probably settle accounts quicker. |
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China is on the Neo-Zionist roadmap, they know its a threat (or soon will be) to US supremacy and they believe a nuclear conflict is winnable, with an umbrella of ship/land and space based anti-missile systems around China.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: What there good at... |
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| conspirator wrote: | | wepmob2000 wrote: | | conspirator wrote: |
Taking account that it is a US airbase surrounded by millions of Arabs and propped up in the last ten years or more by immigration from the ex-USSR the best thing they can do is to head off back in their ship to wherever they came from. |
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This is truly the language of the BNP my friend, so you say to the people born and bred in Israel, to whom it is their homeland.... 'Go back to where you came from'? |
Stealing other peoples land doesn't make it your 'homeland'. But then again people who spoke of homelands whilst robbing others of it do have a history. Its called colonialism. Using the word BNP to justify the continued existence of the state of Israel to justify more anti-semitic wars doesn't aid you.
You seriously seem to want an end to the existence of the state of Israel, if I'm not misreading what you're saying? Does this logic extend to all areas with a territorial dispute or just to the Israeli's? In this case I suspect you mean this only to apply to Israel, for whatever reason. However lets move the Poles out of Eastern Prussia, the Byelorussians out of eastern Poland and so on. Can the English move back into Calais? Which colonialism do you speak of? Is it just British colonialism per chance (because we're usually the main villain in these warped views of world affairs), or does it include Tibet, Kurdistan and a host of other cases where the perpetrators aren't US/British/Israeli enough for the cause to be fashionable? And yes, the use of the word 'BNP' is completely justified in this case, I don't see how any of this the average Israeli citizens fault, ant more than the average Palestinian. Could we not ship the Palestinians out instead, to stop the problems, on the throw of a coin perhaps, seems jolly fair to me using this twisted logic.......
| conspirator wrote: | | The use of your language is weird. There is no such thing as 'unconventional' war. |
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Ahem, a war where battlelines are drawn, and regular insignia and uniforms are worn, this is a 'conventional war'. Granted the division has become blurred in the last 70 or so years, with the advent of total war, but the division remains, you are either a member of a governments armed forces or not. If you fight without without these trappings, you are engaged in unconventional warfare. The Germans referred to partisans as 'terrorists', as they were fighting unconventionally.
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Nazis who occupied and butchered half of Europe and were directly responsible for killing 30million Russians referred to 'partisans' as ...'terrorists'. Here I'm lost for words as you must be a Nazi apologist nothing more or less. Rumsfield referred to the Iraqui partisans as 'dead enders' 'baathists' 'terrorists' showing to the world that conventionally invading a country against the wishes of its people doesn't lead to the process being any more legitimate than the lies used to perpetrate this genocide. The Geneva convention exists as well but this never stopped the creation of Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib.
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and I can't for a second see how pointing this out makes me a Nazi apologist (oh...hang on.....twsited logic time, yeah it probably does then, to you). I think you should re-read what I wrote, pointing out as was merely the difference between 'conventional' and 'unconventional' warfare. These are merely words and nothing more. Simply put, if you want to fight an unconventional enemy you have to fight unconventionally (and not like Israel did in August. I hope the Israeli's have taken these simple ideas to heart.
The only division that exists is either the war is justifed or it isn't. There never was such a thing as conventional warfare, for an invasion a priori is an unconvnetional act of barbarism and savagery. The means to an end, an ending of the invasion are justified with whatever forces you have at your disposal.
I'm sure an invasion is always justified to the invaders, even Genghis Khan didn't enter such risky undertakings without some idea of what he wanted. Please re-read my prior paragraphs yet again to make sure you have finally taken on board what I said, this is becoming boring. Did I state the tactics of the partisans/terrorists/ freedom fighters/call them what you will, were unjustified?
| conspirator wrote: | | The Brits have LOST every single war where they had to deal with an insurgent local population. Initially they had successes due to the friendliness of the locals and the superiority of weapons but after decades of occupation even the locals learnt how to fight. |
| Quote: | | Suggest you have a look at some history books, start with the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya in 1948 |
I have. Last time I was in Nairobi the Brits weren't in direct control. Granted they still have some leftovers in an area known as 'happy valley' (irony still aint dead) where whites go round killing blacks as if their game, but withing our lifetime, they will have all been forced out.
Militarily, yes we were successful, I don't recall saying the politicians 'won the peace' as it were.
| conspirator wrote: | | History only repeats itself to those who grew up on the back of a defeat-Vietnam. This whole generation of US politicians from Rumsfield, through to Cheney, to Baker etc only knew defeats. This is what they are GOOD AT. Losing. |
| Quote: | | Hmmm, look at Gulf War I, an unqualified success in terms of military operations I would say, hardly a defeat for the U.S. Who remembers the great Iraqi victory in Gulf war I, most people only seem to recall a great Iraqi retreat? |
Where was the victory? The Iraqui army retreated on orders from Saddam. Like they did with the invasion many years later. What you forget is that an army aren't the people. If the generals of any given land sign deals behind peoples back then for appearances sake a retreat occurs. But that is only because no battles were fought. The media will spin you any story you want. The proof of the pudding is when the war finally arrived in Baghdad, who won? The Yanks? Theres a place going in Rumsfields departure. Your services are needed. I'm sure they will understand...
No battles were fought? Which books have you been reading, the Comical Ali book of history for big boys? The Iraqi army was routed every time they took to the field, as was their air force and their navy. Their simple choice was retreat or die. If this doesn't constitute a military victory for the coalition I'd like to know what does. Some Iraqis fought bravely with the means and training at their disposal, but they were routed, and completely incapable of fighting coalition forces on equal terms.
| conspirator wrote: | | When reality catches up with the lies then they will follow the sewer they opened up on the backstreets of Iraq. For that is where they are heading as night follows day. |
| Quote: | | Are you sure you're not really called Comical Ali, he would be proud of that! |
I dont go round stating partisans are terrorists because the Nazis said so.
Nor do I, yawn its that twisted weird logic time, please re-read, yawn, blah, blah....
Nor am I an apolgoist for the USA airbase in the Middle East, or the neocons. I leave that part of the comedy show to you and Comical Ali who is one of yours, probably sunning himself in Florida like half of all the other gangsters from around their world.
No you're another person for whom 9/11 truth is yet another opportunity to bang your anti-Israeli drum, what happened did some Jewish kids beat you up at school?
| conspirator wrote: | | Like every empire before them and AFTER them. If there will ever be an empire after the American one. |
Yes, the Chinese empire........[/i] |
What empire? They haven't even got Taiwan back yet, and to travel to Hong Kong and Macau you go through passport controls. Funny sort of Empire... based on selling goods to Yanks. |
It'll be a pretty darn big and powerful empire in a few years time, mark my words. What do you think all the conflict in the Middle East is really aimed at? Oppressing a few Arabs or geo-political jockeying with China? |
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Of course we all see the death camps where thousands of Arabs are at this moment being slaughtered
Suggest you have a look at a real, genuine, not imaginary genocide, like in the Darfur region, or aren't the perpetrators Israeli enough for your liking? |
700,000 have been slaughtered in Iraq.
1,500 were slaughtered in Lebanon.
'Human rights watch', 'amnesty international' all NGO's in one way or another work for western imperialism.
The era of the west is waning in the Arab world. Continue your line. It will probably settle accounts quicker. |
Would you say this about the well respected HRW if they only criticised the people you like to criticise? Last I saw they were very even handed and criticised all sides in the ongoing conflicts in the Middle east. Why would an imperialist agent condemn imperialist actions? If you really think only one side is capable of barbarism and inhumanity then you truly are deluded. (Oh but then I suppose NGO's act in this way as a 'cover' for their part in the ongoing conspiracy, so it is logical really...... twisted logic alert again). |
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Totally and utterly correct, the rise of China is the underlying cause of nearly everything else that is happening today, in much the same as the cold war was fought by proxy. There are almost certainly Hawks in the U.S. who do believe a nuclear war can be won, this was a recurring theme throughout the cold war, and theres no reason why the believers should stop believing this. |
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| wepmob2000 wrote: | | conspirator wrote: | | wepmob2000 wrote: | [
Of course we all see the death camps where thousands of Arabs are at this moment being slaughtered
Suggest you have a look at a real, genuine, not imaginary genocide, like in the Darfur region, or aren't the perpetrators Israeli enough for your liking? |
700,000 have been slaughtered in Iraq.
1,500 were slaughtered in Lebanon.
'Human rights watch', 'amnesty international' all NGO's in one way or another work for western imperialism.
The era of the west is waning in the Arab world. Continue your line. It will probably settle accounts quicker. |
Would you say this about the well respected HRW if they only criticised the people you like to criticise? Last I saw they were very even handed and criticised all sides in the ongoing conflicts in the Middle east. Why would an imperialist agent condemn imperialist actions? If you really think only one side is capable of barbarism and inhumanity then you truly are deluded. (Oh but then I suppose NGO's act in this way as a 'cover' for their part in the ongoing conspiracy, so it is logical really...... twisted logic alert again). |
Having been to Palestine its not as if we are dealing with equal parties.
One side has F16 and the other homemade rockets. If they were EQUAL by all means criticise them both, but they aren't so your argument sinks.
All NGOs are paid by governments and support government views. he who pays the piper calls the tune. |
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You seriously seem to want an end to the existence of the state of Israel, if I'm not misreading what you're saying? Does this logic extend to all areas with a territorial dispute or just to the Israeli's? In this case I suspect you mean this only to apply to Israel, for whatever reason. However lets move the Poles out of Eastern Prussia, the Byelorussians out of eastern Poland and so on. Can the English move back into Calais? Which colonialism do you speak of? Is it just British colonialism per chance (because we're usually the main villain in these warped views of world affairs), or does it include Tibet, Kurdistan and a host of other cases where the perpetrators aren't US/British/Israeli enough for the cause to be fashionable? And yes, the use of the word 'BNP' is completely justified in this case, I don't see how any of this the average Israeli citizens fault, ant more than the average Palestinian. Could we not ship the Palestinians out instead, to stop the problems, on the throw of a coin perhaps, seems jolly fair to me using this twisted logic.......
Israel itself wants to end its own existence. Apart from Jaffa oranges and killing Arabs it serves no other purpose. It even fought a war with with France and Britain against the Egyptians. It is funded by the Yanks to prop up all the reactionary oil sheikdoms in the Arab world. They fought the Iraq war to try and keep it going. It has no right to legitimacy just like apartheid had none and more closer to home the Protestans in N. Ireland.
Imperialism has these areas for training ground purposes and to brutalise the local populations and train their armies and sell their weapons.
Palestinians have been shipped out. 3 million or so in the last count. And they have no right to return. Inventing jewish heritage from around the world and shipping them to israel wont save it either. It is on its way out despite what we both say.
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and I can't for a second see how pointing this out makes me a Nazi apologist (oh...hang on.....twsited logic time, yeah it probably does then, to you). I think you should re-read what I wrote, pointing out as was merely the difference between 'conventional' and 'unconventional' warfare. These are merely words and nothing more. Simply put, if you want to fight an unconventional enemy you have to fight unconventionally (and not like Israel did in August. I hope the Israeli's have taken these simple ideas to heart.
A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. Fascism and genocide was terrorism. Resistance to it was not terrorism per se. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter is moralist tosh to justify anything and everything. I dont buy it. What youre trying to say is if you want to invade a country rape and pillage its people, try not to get caught when the people resist. Get away with it in other words. Learn the 'lessons'. What lessons? Rape and pillage. Deconstruction of thought and logic is fashionable nowadays, but you wont get me agreeing with nonsense.
I'm sure an invasion is always justified to the invaders, even Genghis Khan didn't enter such risky undertakings without some idea of what he wanted. Please re-read my prior paragraphs yet again to make sure you have finally taken on board what I said, this is becoming boring. Did I state the tactics of the partisans/terrorists/ freedom fighters/call them what you will, were unjustified?
Who cares what invaders think. Resistance is justified against every form of oppression. Every empire has collapsed in history. America is no exception to this rule. It is in the same position Britain was in during WWII. It spent up its resources. Good riddance I say.
Militarily, yes we were successful, I don't recall saying the politicians 'won the peace' as it were.
Thats what the Yanks said in Vietnam. They killed more 'gooks' than the Vietnamese did Yanks. But who won? The Mao Mao fought an amazing and brilliant resistance war against a superiorily armed colonial power. Their resistance is a credit to the human spirit. Their is no credit to the torturers and butchers of the British army who cut peoples ears off and posted them in villages.
| Quote: | | Hmmm, look at Gulf War I, an unqualified success in terms of military operations I would say, hardly a defeat for the U.S. Who remembers the great Iraqi victory in Gulf war I, most people only seem to recall a great Iraqi retreat? |
So great that history will only really remember the USA's defeat in the second Gulf war. History only recalls defeats. The 1st Gulf war was a fight never fought. In media terms lots happened, the motorway of death, Saddams 'surrender' and a hole host of other spin.
No battles were fought? Which books have you been reading, the Comical Ali book of history for big boys? The Iraqi army was routed every time they took to the field, as was their air force and their navy. Their simple choice was retreat or die. If this doesn't constitute a military victory for the coalition I'd like to know what does. Some Iraqis fought bravely with the means and training at their disposal, but they were routed, and completely incapable of fighting coalition forces on equal terms.
I dont read your ones thats for a start. The ones that said ad nauseum that the Yanks were a hyperpower and they cant even beat a country half the size of Vietnam, which they isolated for 10 years through sanctions...
No you're another person for whom 9/11 truth is yet another opportunity to bang your anti-Israeli drum, what happened did some Jewish kids beat you up at school?
| conspirator wrote: | | Like every empire before them and AFTER them. If there will ever be an empire after the American one. |
Yes, the Chinese empire........[/i] |
It'll be a pretty darn big and powerful empire in a few years time, mark my words. What do you think all the conflict in the Middle East is really aimed at? Oppressing a few Arabs or geo-political jockeying with China?[/quote] |
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Of course we all see the death camps where thousands of Arabs are at this moment being slaughtered
Suggest you have a look at a real, genuine, not imaginary genocide, like in the Darfur region, or aren't the perpetrators Israeli enough for your liking? |
700,000 have been slaughtered in Iraq.
1,500 were slaughtered in Lebanon.
'Human rights watch', 'amnesty international' all NGO's in one way or another work for western imperialism.
The era of the west is waning in the Arab world. Continue your line. It will probably settle accounts quicker. |
Would you say this about the well respected HRW if they only criticised the people you like to criticise? Last I saw they were very even handed and criticised all sides in the ongoing conflicts in the Middle east. Why would an imperialist agent condemn imperialist actions? If you really think only one side is capable of barbarism and inhumanity then you truly are deluded. (Oh but then I suppose NGO's act in this way as a 'cover' for their part in the ongoing conspiracy, so it is logical really...... twisted logic alert again). |
Having been to Palestine its not as if we are dealing with equal parties.
One side has F16 and the other homemade rockets. If they were EQUAL by all means criticise them both, but they aren't so your argument sinks.
All NGOs are paid by governments and support government views. he who pays the piper calls the tune. |
What argument, I don't recall saying the parties were equal, anyway RPG-7's, AK-47's and Katyusha rockets are hardly 'homemade rockets', to paraphrase yourself, they're just as capable of killing and maiming as an F-16. To be sure they're ideal weapons for waging the unconventional kind of warfare to which the IDF must adapt. In this case the Arabs use their advantages to outfox the IDF thus nullifying any paper advantage Israel has.
I disagree with your view on NGO's, they're called that for a reason, and their criticisms are very even handed, which is I suspect, your main problem with them. Its easy to brand as a 'government agent' anything whose viewpoint differs from yours, and also sadly delusional. Hisbollah leadership are not as pure as the driven snow, they're the same murderous thugs we have in power in the West. Its obvious to anyone who chooses to see, that their tactics were intended to cause Lebanese civilian casualties via Israeli countermeasures, what great publicity!
Also you have the temerity to tell me to "find a nazi site". A bit rich from someone whose solution to the problem of Israel is have the Israeli's "head off back in their ship to wherever they came from". Did you know Hitler's first solution to the 'Jewish problem' was to ship the Jews to Madagascar? Is it only the Israelis/British/Americans that have fascist tendencies? |
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You seriously seem to want an end to the existence of the state of Israel, if I'm not misreading what you're saying? Does this logic extend to all areas with a territorial dispute or just to the Israeli's? In this case I suspect you mean this only to apply to Israel, for whatever reason. However lets move the Poles out of Eastern Prussia, the Byelorussians out of eastern Poland and so on. Can the English move back into Calais? Which colonialism do you speak of? Is it just British colonialism per chance (because we're usually the main villain in these warped views of world affairs), or does it include Tibet, Kurdistan and a host of other cases where the perpetrators aren't US/British/Israeli enough for the cause to be fashionable? And yes, the use of the word 'BNP' is completely justified in this case, I don't see how any of this the average Israeli citizens fault, ant more than the average Palestinian. Could we not ship the Palestinians out instead, to stop the problems, on the throw of a coin perhaps, seems jolly fair to me using this twisted logic.......
Israel itself wants to end its own existence. Apart from Jaffa oranges and killing Arabs it serves no other purpose. It even fought a war with with France and Britain against the Egyptians. It is funded by the Yanks to prop up all the reactionary oil sheikdoms in the Arab world. They fought the Iraq war to try and keep it going. It has no right to legitimacy just like apartheid had none and more closer to home the Protestans in N. Ireland.
Imperialism has these areas for training ground purposes and to brutalise the local populations and train their armies and sell their weapons.
Palestinians have been shipped out. 3 million or so in the last count. And they have no right to return. Inventing jewish heritage from around the world and shipping them to israel wont save it either. It is on its way out despite what we both say.
My gosh, you haven't learned very much despite your travels, more likely you only listen to the propaganda that suits you, and then repeat it ad nauseum instead of evaluating whats really happening. Strange as it may seem, Israel is now the home of several million jews, many of whom were born and bred there, is that not a home for them? In what way did the Iraq war seek to keep Israel going? It was about control of oil resources in Iraq pure and simple, and the destabilisation of the region has done nothing to help Israel. Iraq was a toothless tiger by 2003 and posed very little threat to Israel. If anything its made the situation for Israel more dangerous by disposing of a bulwark against Iran. As for the countries right of legitimacy, is it any less legitimate than China's continual occupation of Tibet about which your ilk are strangely quiet (oh yes, we're back to those its fashionable to oppose). I predict Israel will be there long after many Arab nations have disappearred in a frenzy of inter-factional bloodlust!
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and I can't for a second see how pointing this out makes me a Nazi apologist (oh...hang on.....twsited logic time, yeah it probably does then, to you). I think you should re-read what I wrote, pointing out as was merely the difference between 'conventional' and 'unconventional' warfare. These are merely words and nothing more. Simply put, if you want to fight an unconventional enemy you have to fight unconventionally (and not like Israel did in August. I hope the Israeli's have taken these simple ideas to heart.
A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. Fascism and genocide was terrorism. Resistance to it was not terrorism per se. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter is moralist tosh to justify anything and everything. I dont buy it. What youre trying to say is if you want to invade a country rape and pillage its people, try not to get caught when the people resist. Get away with it in other words. Learn the 'lessons'. What lessons? Rape and pillage. Deconstruction of thought and logic is fashionable nowadays, but you wont get me agreeing with nonsense.
No what you're saying is its OK to be a freedom fighter if the cause suits your personal brand of morality. Have you ever thought that perhaps Israeli actions are governed by an innate fear and from motives of self defence? One mans 'genocide' is anothers self defence although I have still to see any attempts by Israel/Britain or the USA at an Arab genocide. If there is they're doing a pretty damn poor job. The fact is the Iraqi's are very good at killing each other without recourse to western assistance, when allied forces leave Iraq, do you think its going to become some kind of paradise on Earth? No the fact is the Iraqi's will find ever more effective ways of killing each other, the country needed a murderous tyrant like Saddam to keep this under some kind of control. Strangely the aim of the USA and Britain in Iraq was to establish a peaceful democracy or some form of government, with friendly ties to the west. Why should it be any other way? If you seriously think that even our good friend - good old GW - wants to kill all the Arabs, can you think of one realistic reason why he would, or why he hasn't done more to this end?
I'm sure an invasion is always justified to the invaders, even Genghis Khan didn't enter such risky undertakings without some idea of what he wanted. Please re-read my prior paragraphs yet again to make sure you have finally taken on board what I said, this is becoming boring. Did I state the tactics of the partisans/terrorists/ freedom fighters/call them what you will, were unjustified?
Who cares what invaders think. Resistance is justified against every form of oppression. Every empire has collapsed in history. America is no exception to this rule. It is in the same position Britain was in during WWII. It spent up its resources. Good riddance I say.
OK, so the idea of replacing Saddam's tyranny with a more benevolent government, even via an invasion was wrong?
Militarily, yes we were successful, I don't recall saying the politicians 'won the peace' as it were.
Thats what the Yanks said in Vietnam. They killed more 'gooks' than the Vietnamese did Yanks. But who won? The Mao Mao fought an amazing and brilliant resistance war against a superiorily armed colonial power. Their resistance is a credit to the human spirit. Their is no credit to the torturers and butchers of the British army who cut peoples ears off and posted them in villages.
So amazing and brilliant that it ended in military defeat? What do you say of the Iraqi thugs who like to televise their beheadings of hostages, is that somehow more acceptable?
But while we're on the subject, how about paying tribute to the courage and brilliance of the Israeli forces, who in 1948 fought off the invasion forces of the Arab league? Despite the fact they had very little weaponry or assistance. 'Their resistance is a credit to the human spirit'. I for one salute them!
| Quote: | | Hmmm, look at Gulf War I, an unqualified success in terms of military operations I would say, hardly a defeat for the U.S. Who remembers the great Iraqi victory in Gulf war I, most people only seem to recall a great Iraqi retreat? |
So great that history will only really remember the USA's defeat in the second Gulf war. History only recalls defeats. The 1st Gulf war was a fight never fought. In media terms lots happened, the motorway of death, Saddams 'surrender' and a hole host of other spin.
I really do think you need to read more widely. The first Gulf War was an overwhelming victory for the coalition against an enemy almost impotent in its resistance. The Iraqi's did fight back, we lost 42 aircraft at least to Iraqi missiles, but generally the coalitions superiority was so great they referred to Iraqis as 'targets' rather than opposition. Again the second the second Gulf War was an overwhelming victory for Britain and the USA in military terms, thats been lost by a lack of foresight into what to do with the victory. Again the military have not lost, the politicians know not what to do with whats been given to them
No battles were fought? Which books have you been reading, the Comical Ali book of history for big boys? The Iraqi army was routed every time they took to the field, as was their air force and their navy. Their simple choice was retreat or die. If this doesn't constitute a military victory for the coalition I'd like to know what does. Some Iraqis fought bravely with the means and training at their disposal, but they were routed, and completely incapable of fighting coalition forces on equal terms.
I dont read your ones thats for a start. The ones that said ad nauseum that the Yanks were a hyperpower and they cant even beat a country half the size of Vietnam, which they isolated for 10 years through sanctions...
My books are perfectly fine, thank you very much. I'll leave the slavish consumption and unquestioning acceptance of propaganda and hyperbole to others if its all the same?
No you're another person for whom 9/11 truth is yet another opportunity to bang your anti-Israeli drum, what happened did some Jewish kids beat you up at school?
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Yes, the Chinese empire........[/i] |
It'll be a pretty darn big and powerful empire in a few years time, mark my words. What do you think all the conflict in the Middle East is really aimed at? Oppressing a few Arabs or geo-political jockeying with China? |
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| Quote: | | One mans 'genocide' is anothers self defence although I have still to see any attempts by Israel/Britain or the USA at an Arab genocide. |
650,000 dead isn't genocide in Iraq nor were the 4 million in Vietnam.
Its what you call 'friendly fire' in a ...conventional war?
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| conspirator wrote: | | Quote: | | One mans 'genocide' is anothers self defence although I have still to see any attempts by Israel/Britain or the USA at an Arab genocide. |
650,000 dead isn't genocide in Iraq nor were the 4 million in Vietnam.
Its what you call 'friendly fire' in a ...conventional war?
There is no reason to continue arguing as you are a zionist pro-american nazi apologist. |
I concur, you carry on believing the propaganda that suits you, while I'll carry on considering the wider picture and looking at the truth.
When you find proper evidence of a systematic U.S/British/Israeli genocide of Arabs, following examples set in the USSR, by Nazi Germany, in Cambodia, Rwanda, the FRY, the Darfur region, Sierra Leone, etc, please let me know, but I don't expect to hear from you soon. Why is it you and your ilk are always strangely quiet with regard to real genocide, as opposed to imaginary ones 'conducted' by countries you love to hate? Oh of course its OK to act murderously and barbarically if you're not American/British/Israeli, in fact its probably all the fault of colonialism. It must be wonderful to have selective morality, makes things much easier when deciding which western power to blame next, you deluded hypocrite....
P.S. If I'm really a "zionist pro-american nazi apologist" then I'm glad to be one at least in your eyes, (I'm not really though, just someone who can see beyond a particular brand of inverted morality and fashionable mantra). |
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There is no reason to continue arguing as you are a zionist pro-american nazi apologist. |
webmop is a shill or agent provocateur in league with notesfromcloudcuckooland, I sussed the thing out some time ago and refuse to waste a second of energy on it. Spare yourself and do the same.
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| Ally wrote: | | conspirator wrote: |
There is no reason to continue arguing as you are a zionist pro-american nazi apologist. |
webmop is a shill or agent provocateur in league with notesfromcloudcuckooland, I sussed the thing out some time ago and refuse to waste a second of energy on it. Spare yourself and do the same. |
This is deeply hilarious, especially considering I generally agree that 9/11 was an inside job. Well considered posts from excellent posters like Snowygrouch and Mark Gobell amongst others have persuaded me of this, especially when they always back their contentions with reliable evidence/sources.
On the other hand Ally is a time waster and an agent provocateur in league with TheTruthWillSetUs3. I've pointed this out repeatedly, they are double agents, who use weasel words to allege support for the campaign while working to bring it down from within. |
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