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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:19 am    Post subject: Auschwitz Reply with quote

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The Number of Victims

The number of victims killed at Auschwitz has been debated for many years. Documents discovered by the Soviets when the camp was liberated confirmed only 100,000 deaths. This unreliable figure was inflated to four million by testimonies and studies concerning the capability of the machines of mass murder. This number was also unreliable.

In the 1990s, it is estimated that at Auschwitz alone, there were 1.35 million Jewish victims and a total of 1.5 million Auschwitz victims. This is a staggering number since roughly 6 million died in the Holocaust. (Berenbaum 61, 72)


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The gas chamber at Auschwitz I was reconstructed after the war as a memorial


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: Note to mods Reply with quote

I have created a new thread in error. I was meaning to contribute to the museum shooting thread. Guess I had a few last night..
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:19 pm    Post subject: Auswtitch Revisionist Profits from Death and Dishonesty Reply with quote

Frederick A. (Fred) Leuchter,
(born 1944) BA degree 1964 from Boston University. Post Graduate at Harvard- Smithsonian Astronomical Observatory.
He claims to have improved the design of instruments for capital punishment and had execution equipment contracts with several US states.
According to the New York Times, before selling execution equipment Leuchter was a former dealer in military surveillance equipment.

Leuchter became known for his defense of Holocaust denier Ernst Zündel in 1988.
The Leuchter report is often framed as a scientifically based work of Holocaust denial, though his research methodsand findings have been refuted. A documentary on the controversy, entitled Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter, Jr., was released by Errol Morris in 1999.

Leuchter started Fred Leuchter Associates in which he sold services to several states to help them maintain, improve, document, and ascertain the effectiveness of their equipment for administration of capital punishment.His initial work was with electric chairs, starting in Tennessee.
Leuchter's broader claims are that his work in this area is "humanitarian", providing greater respect for both guards and those to be executed.
By his own account, consultation between state government agencies spread his reputation from Tennessee to other states, and further assignments followed. Leuchter "aggressively solicited business" and in 1985 the state of New Jersey purchased Leuchter's proposal for a lethal injection system for $30,000.

On October 24, 1990 The New York Times described him as "self-proclaimed execution expert and manufacturer of death machinery" who "was charged today in a Middlesex County District Court with fraudulently practicing engineering."It quoted Dr. Edward A. Brunner, chairman of the anesthesia department at Northwestern University Medical School, as saying Leuchter's lethal injection system would indeed paralyze a condemned criminal, but far from being humane this paralysis would merely stop the prisoner from screaming at the "extreme pain in the form of a severe burning sensation" caused by the potassium chloride injection. (Potassium chloride is commonly used in judicial execution through lethal injection.) A subsequent article in the June 13, 1991 edition of New York Times details his agreement with prosecutors to "serve two years' probation for practicing engineering without a license."

Zündel's Samisdat Publications published his findings as The Leuchter Report: An Engineering Report on the Alleged Execution Chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Majdanek Poland (published in England as Auschwitz: The End of the Line: The Leuchter Report - The First Forensic Examination of Auschwitz) nb despite Leuchter NOT being an engineer or chemist

In 1990 Newsweek reported Alabama Assistant Attorney General alleging that "Leuchter was running a death row shakedown scheme: if a state didn't purchase Leuchter's services, he would testify at the last minute for the condemned man that the state's death chamber might malfunction." The Associated Press quoted Carnes claiming that Leuchter made "money on both sides of the fence."


In Virginia, Leuchter provided a death row inmate's attorney with an affidavit claiming the electric chair would fail.The Virginia court decided the credibility of Leuchter's affidavit was limited because Leuchter was "the refused contractor who bid to replace the electrodes in the Virginia chair."

In 1988, Leuchter traveled to several sites of structures identified as gas chambers, where, although he did not have permission to do so, he collected samples from walls, ceilings and floors, using a chisel and hammer to chip and scrape off pieces of the masonry.thereby contaminating the samples which were not properly extracted in line with normal laboratory or forensic science procedures.
He took copious notes about the floor plans and layout, and all of his actions were videotaped by a cameraman. (Leuchter, who had been married for about one month before the trip, told his wife that the trip to Auschwitz-Birkenau was their honeymoon.)
Leuchter then brought the samples back to Boston, where he presented them to Alpha Analytical Laboratories, a chemical laboratory, for testing. Leuchter told Alpha only that the samples were to be used as evidence in a court case about an industrial accident. The lab tested them for exposure to cyanide and found trace amounts in the crematoria, which Leuchter dismissed in his report:
Lab manager James Roth swore under oath to the results at the trial.[2] It was only after he got off the stand that Roth learned what the trial was about. In an interview for Morris' film, Roth states that cyanide would have formed an extremely fine layer on the walls, to the depth of one-tenth of a human hair. Leuchter had taken samples of indeterminate thickness (he is seen in Morris' film hammering at the bricks with a rock hammer).Not informed of this, Roth had pulverized the entire samples, thus severely diluting the cyanide-containing layer of each sample with an indeterminate amount of brick, varying for each sample. Roth offers the analogy that the tests were like "analyzing paint on a wall by analyzing the timber that's behind it."

Leuchter did not examine the walls of the gas chambers until 50 years after they had been used; his critics note that it would have been virtually impossible to discover any cyanide at all using his method. In fact, tests conducted on ventilation grates immediately after the end of the war showed substantial amounts of cyanide. The chambers were demolished by the Nazis when they abandoned Auschwitz, and the facilities Leuchter examined were, in fact, partially reconstructed. Leuchter was unaware that part of the camp and chambers were reconstructed, so he had no way of knowing if the bricks he was scraping were actually part of the original gas chamber.

Many of Leuchter's conclusions are based on the assumption that it takes 20 to 30 hours to air a room disinfected with Zyklon-B; since far lower concentrations are required when gassing people than for delousing it actually takes 20 to 30 minutes to air out the room, and the forced ventilation systems used are more than adequate to allow the gas chambers to be operated without endangering the executioners. When questioned in court, Leuchter admitted he had not seen a document by the Waffen SS Commandant for construction issued when the gas chambers were constructed which estimated they had a 24-hour capacity of 4756 people, more than 30 times Leuchter's estimate of 156.

Leuchter's opposition to the possibility of gas chambers rests on the relatively low concentration of cyanide residue measured in his sample of the remains of the gas chambers in Auschwitz, compared to his sample of the "delousing chambers" in which clothes were deloused using the same gas, hydrogen cyanide. However, his report contains the assumption that lower concentrations are required for delousing than to kill humans and other warm blooded creatures; in fact, with their simpler structures and slower metabolisms, insects are more resistant to such gross metabolic poisons than mammals. Both toxicological study and practical experience demonstrate that it takes a much higher concentration of cyanide (16,000 parts per million) to kill insects than to kill humans (300 PPM), as well as an exposure time of many hours rather than only minutes. Leuchter also fails to explain his belief that Zyklon-B was used for delousing, in view of his belief that the product would present technical difficulties in ventilating and decontaminating such as to make it impractical for use in a gas chamber.
In October 1990, the state of Massachusetts brought criminal charges against Leuchter for representing himself as an engineer without a license. Leuchter not only lacks an engineering license but has neither an engineering degree nor any other relevant professional certification or recognized credential - his education consists of a BA in history, which he completed in 1964. In 1991, the case was settled under the agreement that he will serve two years' probation for practicing engineering without a license. He admits to having no formal training in toxicology, biology or chemistry.

In February 1990, Professor Jan Markiewicz, Director of the Forensic Institute of Cracow, redid the analysis.The amount of cyanide found had a great variability (possibly due to 50 years of exposure to the elements to varying degrees[36]), but even so, the categorical results were that cyanide was found where expected in both the gas chambers and the delousing facilities, and not found in the living quarters, supporting the hypothesis that the gas chambers were exposed to high levels of cyanide like the delousing facilities, and not low levels for routine fumigation, like the living quarters.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What on earth is that? Did he not have a badge lol

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:38 pm    Post subject: dr death leuchter Reply with quote

he didnt wear a badge but the inmates did
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Truth about Holocaust by jewish professor - Part 2


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