Manchester set to be Britain's first ID card city

QuitTheirClogs

I feel a boycott coming on. My feet will certainly stay outside any shop that participates in this scheme.

Disco_Destroyer

QuitTheirClogs · Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject:

Okay, maybe I was being a little hasty and should give these retailers the benefit of the doubt.

Next time I’m at the checkout at Boots, for example, with a full basket of stuff, I’ll state that before completing the transaction I would like an assurance from the management that they are not going to participate in the government’s ID scheme. If they are unable to give said assurance, I would very politely inform them that they are not the sort of company I want to do business with.
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Retailers reject ID security fear

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8036536.stm

High Street retailers have rejected security fears about giving them the job of fingerprinting and photographing people applying for identity cards.

The Home Office has axed plans to set up ID card enrolment centres and instead wants pharmacies, post offices and photographic shops to do the work.

Trade bodies representing chains such as Boots and Snappy Snaps told the BBC they can be trusted with the data.

acrobat74 · Trustworthy Freedom Fighter Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 836

Ah they're such geniuses.

But of course: if the scheme is coming down through a corporate rather than the government it must be benign.

Let's marvel at it:

paul wright · Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:51 pm Post subject:

The very lovely Jacqui Smith, who must soon be ejected from this obnoxious cabinet of detestable dolls, has presented us with the easiest target yet
Boots and all similar high street strains are subject
And Manchester has a high level of resistance to the ID notion
Just let them try it

fish5133 · Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 11:39 pm Post subject: "We will resist" say pilots

At least the Pilots see sense. Weve got Pilots for 911 truth now weve got Pilots for No ID. "we will resist" say pilots. Dont book your holiday overseas if flying this summer!

Disco_Destroyer · Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject:

Helping out at a NO2ID stall in Colchester on 14th, I'll report back on findings Wink

I spoke to a very nice man too earlier today from Socialist Worker who are in Colchester campaining every thursday. I wonder if they are willing to share a platform? Cool

GodSaveTheTeam · Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject:

Cherry picking by the beeb?

People will be bending over backwards to have their chip inserted.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/8037188.stm

The bleating below continues at the bottom of the above article.

Your e-mails broadly supportive of the plans:

e-mail sent in by reader
As soon as it is possible in this part of the country I will be signing up - nothing to hide and practical for travel in Europe! After all a great number, if not all, of other EU countries have these.
Steve, Braintree

e-mail sent in by reader
I would get an ID card tomorrow if it was available to me. I don't have a passport or driving licence and the only ID I have at the moment is my NHS card. Being ex-Royal Air Force I used to have to carry an ID Card every day and it was very handy at times. My only concern is the cost, being on benefits at present £30 is nearly half of my weekly income and out of my reach at present.
Dave Fulton, Barry, Vale of Glamorgan

e-mail sent in by reader
I would reluctantly if I lived in Manchester, but only cos I'm spending a year in Germany and don't want to have to carry my passport around with me everywhere.
Alex Wright, Birmingham, England

e-mail sent in by reader
I have travelled extensively throughout Europe and in most countries an ID card is compulsory and no-one minds carrying one. Those who are against ID cards generally have something to hide, don't want to carry something that can prove who they really are or simply oppose anything that gives security to the vast majority of law abiding citizens.
Brian, Sandhurst

e-mail sent in by reader
I lived in Brussels between 2000 and 2002 and had to have one when I was there. I see no problem why we shouldn't all have to have them in the UK.
Kevin Farren, Callander, Scotland

e-mail sent in by reader
And why not? I think that everyone living and working in the UK should carry the new ID Card, if you have nothing to hide then why wouldn't you carry one?
Sue, Cardiff

e-mail sent in by reader
Yes, I have no problems with the introduction of an ID card, but I am an honest man with little to hide from. I also believe those that have a problem with it, is because they want to hide from society.
Len Gilbank, Eastbourne

The sickening "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" mantra of the moron aboundeth.

Will the bleating be as universal when MP's exempt themselves from the database state that awaits us.

Disco_Destroyer · Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject:

Are they real? I'm sure the bleaters have too much grass to be chewing instead of posting on BBC stories Wink

nrmis · Validated Poster Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 294

Disco_Destroyer · Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 2:40 am Post subject:

The nearest I've personally come across is 'fine as long as they leave me alone'
Not exactly what I'd call unanamous or anything else!

Disco_Destroyer · Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 1:07 pm Post subject:

ID cards are a ‘huge risk’ according to legal expert
Category: News and Politics
Thursday, May 7th, 2009

www.blogs.myspace.com/magikcarpet72

THE government’s controversial ID card plans are ‘hugely risky’ according to a legal expert.

Manchester will be the first city where citizens will be invited to apply for an ID card from this autumn, ahead of the national roll-out in 2012.

As part of the two-year trial over-16s with a valid UK passport can apply online for a card and then attend a government office for fingerprinting, photographs and a possible interview.

Announcing the pilot scheme yesterday, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith also outlined plans for chemists and post offices to be used as enrolment centres.

But the plans were savaged as unworkable by opposition politicians and a leading data law expert.

IT law expert Susan Hall, a partner at city law firm Cobbetts, has spent 20 years specialising in keeping large companies and organisations on the right side of data protection laws.

She said the scheme had several pitfalls.

She said: “The main problem is that it is such a huge scheme and government IT projects have a track record of going over budget and having severe problems.

“No database is foolproof. You just have to look at cases where MI5 computers have been left on trains. There is a huge risk because it is so easy to carry large amounts of information on portable media. Fingerprints are not like a pin number - they can’t be changed if the information is leaked.

“There is also a risk that people will misuse or sell the information or that other agencies will misuse it. We’ve already had local authorities going beyond their powers to use surveillance in cases of dog fouling. I think there is great potential for people’s personal data being misused.”

Ms Hall also said high street stores would have to clear several legal hurdles before being allowed to collect the sensitive information needed for the scheme.

Local Lib Dems, including the leaders of Stockport, Oldham and Rochdale councils, put out statements opposing the trial.

Withington Lib Dem MP John Leech commented: “I wouldn’t sign up even if they were free, but at a time when everyone is feeling the pinch, who in their right mind is going to pay to sign up for an ID card?”

People will be charged £30 to get the cards - which will contain fingerprint information and personal details and can be used instead of a passport for travel in Europe.

Legislation clearing the way for identity cards was passed in 2006, but MPs will need to make a further vote for the cards to become compulsory.

The Post Office and a national pharmacy association which represents Boots and Snappy Snaps are in talks with the Home Office to open up ‘public-friendly’ registration centres in stores - although they would not take part in the Manchester trial.

However, it is understood that preliminary registration trials have already been taking place the Manchester office of the Identity and Passport Office on Portland Street. Estimates of the predicted costs of implementing the scheme have soared to more £5bn.

Thousands of airside workers at Manchester airport were last year told that they must sign up to the ID card scheme as part of their conditions of employment.

Unions and airline pilots are opposing the trial scheme, which is also happening at London’s City airport.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/contributions/id-cards-are-a-huge-risk-accord ing-to-legal-expert/5587/

acrobat74 · Trustworthy Freedom Fighter Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 836

nrmis · Validated Poster Joined: 18 Mar 2007 Posts: 294

I've tried contacting them about the poll. Please feel free to copy, paste and bombard.

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To here...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/contact_us/default.stm

TimmyG · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject:

THEY HAVE FINGERPRINT SCANNERS IN MY LOCAL COSTCUTTER.... RIGHT NOW!

no joke.

last week i went to my local costcutter store, in Eccles, manchester. They had fingerprint scanners at the tills. I questioned the shop assistant about them and I was told they had been introduced to help young people who look underage to identify themselves!!! She actually seemed quite excited by the technology, and noone else in the store seemed phased by it.

I told her I found it terrifying and walked out.

So , yes, its here. it's pretty much too late. they've been introduced as a convenience and enevitably will become common place. then compulsory tools for the customer.

microchips next.

i'm just watching it all play out. it will all come in with a miniumum of public opposition I'm sure

TonyGosling · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:19 pm Post subject:

I'm not so sure the British public will take it lying down.

fish5133 · Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:13 pm Post subject:

Wonder what Manchesters Noel Gallaghers response would be to having to have an ID. Probably something like

"WTF I am not having a f*****g ID card and if anyone tries to give me one I will kick the f*****g sh**e out of them"

which is quite eloquent for Noel.

acrobat74 · Trustworthy Freedom Fighter Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 836

Busker · Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:17 am Post subject:

The key thing with all retailers is to picket outside and call for a boycott.

If you do decide to shop their make sure you have a full basket. Go to the checkout. Let them ring it all through the till. Then when you're asked for payment, point to the fingerprint scanner and explain why you will be taking your business elsewhere.

This causes massive problems for the EPOS system and old fashioned till roll. It generates longer queues as supervisors have to be called to cancel off the entries and increases customer anger at being delayed.

Start hitting them in their pocket, whilst making it clear it is to do with the biometrics and I doubt they will continue to support the technology in the long term.

Off course if the company is publicly listed, you could always go down the route of becoming a shareholder.

Disco_Destroyer · Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:43 pm Post subject:

Apparently Tesco owns Costcutter spose that figures Rolling Eyes

fish5133 · Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:40 pm Post subject:

item7 · Moderate Poster Joined: 20 Sep 2008 Posts: 641

Just make an address up. The checkout won't care what address you give.

fish5133 · Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:52 am Post subject: Have You Had Yours

Received my invitation, from the Home Office Identity and Passport Service, to apply for my £30 id card. Gives a brief list of some of the things it will help you do that need proof of ID like
opening a bank account--- money control

hiring a car---travel control

getting a mobile phone---- communication control

proving your age when buying--- purchase control

starting a new job (if there are any)-- financial control

access to films and clubs---leisure control

getting benefits, healthcare, tax NI--- getting towards total control

with worrying about all the above they are getting close to mind control

Apllication packs available from www.direct.gov.uk/idnw

might be worth getting the pack to see what else they want.

Disco_Destroyer · Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:53 am Post subject:

DNA-Biological Control
Hmm A Handmaids Tale and Gattaca springs to mind!

fish5133 · Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:26 pm Post subject:

Eligibility ???

satya · Banned Joined: 21 Feb 2010 Posts: 107

satya · Banned Joined: 21 Feb 2010 Posts: 107

The sheep will follow this id card and embrace it, simply because they dont know the true role of our government and its continued oppression.
the elite will always serve the ruling class and that draws me to the question
who infact would implement this plan and what possilbe gain would they get from this?

This ideal smacks of bilderberg and with recent us id card schemes coming into fruition i can safely say that BAP and Bilderberg have had a hand in public control. A very ideal that non brainers wouldnt even know.

Disco_Destroyer · Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject:

roscoe · Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:46 pm Post subject:

I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered, my life is my own

Look at the chair

I'm a human being goddamit. My life has value

In the Prisoner Who is number one?

You are.

Stop playing THEIR games

Get in their face

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