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Pikey Banned
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Stephen Moderate Poster
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I think there might be another big strike soon, although people seem more dum down now than any other time. maybe the chemtrails have something to do with this. |
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Busker Moderate Poster
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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£1.07 in Cumbria yesterday. |
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conspiracy analyst Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Is this the reason?
How Yanks view the world?
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James C Major Poster
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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That's peak oil for you - high prices on everything.
Expect matters to get a lot worse - pointless fuel strikes or not. |
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uselesseater Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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paul wright Moderator
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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James C wrote: | That's peak oil for you - high prices on everything.
Expect matters to get a lot worse - pointless fuel strikes or not. |
Indeed. That's why the buggers are promoting the falsehood.
Draining the pockets of the middle-class or rather the people with expendable assets, to fill the coffers of the ultra-rich and powerful.
It's a powergrab more than a financial thing
An element on the road to tyrrany _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction |
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Linda Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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I received this email from my sister a few days ago.
Petrol is hitting 99p a litre in some areas now; soon we will be faced with paying £1+ a ltr. Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea:
This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain day' campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work.
Please read it and join in!
Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take an aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS, not sellers, control the market place.
With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea:
For the rest of this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP.
If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!!
Now, don't wimp out on me at this point... Keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send I t to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... And those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... And so on, by the time the
Message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have
Been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... ..
THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all You have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (and not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! Acting together we can make a difference If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.
PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE
RANGE
It's easy to make this happen. Just forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell, Asda,Tesco, Sainsburys, Morrisons, Jet etc. I.e. Boycott BP and Esso. |
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mark_e Moderate Poster
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Shell's marketing department must be loving that! switching brands does not lower consumption. a massive general strike - 50% of vehicle users (obviously not emergency services etc) not using fuel for a week (or more) - that would start to bite them. want to make a difference? get a bike, travel and work locally and unplug from the system |
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James C Major Poster
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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dh wrote: | James C wrote: | That's peak oil for you - high prices on everything.
Expect matters to get a lot worse - pointless fuel strikes or not. |
Indeed. That's why the buggers are promoting the falsehood.
Draining the pockets of the middle-class or rather the people with expendable assets, to fill the coffers of the ultra-rich and powerful.
It's a powergrab more than a financial thing
An element on the road to tyrrany |
Please prove its a falsehood. I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to do that but so far nobody has been able to.
Lord Browne, ex-BP, at a speech to the London School of Economics earlier this week said that peak oil is a fallacy and their is an infinite supply of oil. Oh, but he did say that climate change is very real and requires immediate attention. |
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Disco_Destroyer Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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mark_e wrote: | Shell's marketing department must be loving that! switching brands does not lower consumption. a massive general strike - 50% of vehicle users (obviously not emergency services etc) not using fuel for a week (or more) - that would start to bite them. want to make a difference? get a bike, travel and work locally and unplug from the system |
Done
*Edit* um actually I never plugged in so I guess that is the easy part _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
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Pikey Banned
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telecasterisation Banned
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How is anyone in the west (expect possibly those who live on the streets), not part of 'the system'?
Everybody here who is accessing the internet has bought in to the global ideology - they either own a PC/laptop, or are 'plugged in' through a work machine. They use public services paid for by council tax, gas, electricity and water obtained through a provider and a telephone, either by a landline, a mobile on a contract or pay-as-you-go. Then there's TV, or radio and daily, weekly or monthly publications - or if they sit in a room at night with candles, there's Monopoly which is our society in the form of a board game.
Unless they are perpetually naked, they dress themselves in manufactured clothes, often from some sweat shop in outer Mongolia. The food we consume is a supreme example of hooking up to a big machine, transportation to get the stuff to your supplier, packaging etc. You grow your own? Where? How was the land paid for? How are the seeds obtained and watered? No doubt cooked on a wood fire in an open field next to your tent?
As for 'get a bike, travel and work locally and unplug from the system' - this may be possible for a tiny percentage of humanity. It would have to be cash in hand to truly sidestep the tax system - but there are vast numbers of people who struggle to exist in sprawling concrete jungles where there is no local work, so to smugly say things like 'I have never plugged in' means what exactly? _________________ I completely challenge the official version of events - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC -I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC |
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SHERITON HOTEL Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Can anyone explain why LPG (liquid petroleum gas) never caught on? Don't people want half priced fuel? |
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karlos Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | Can anyone explain why LPG (liquid petroleum gas) never caught on? Don't people want half priced fuel? |
A very good observation.
Ken Livingstone has done his level best to prevent it's usuage in London.
Despite being half the price of petrol/diesel and much cleaner to use.
London has 20,000 taxis, 180,000 minicabs, 1000s buses, minibuses, dial a ride vehicles etc all DIRECTLY controlled by Transport for London.
99.99999% of these are not LPG
If any of these vehicles wishes to become LPG there are so many artificial hurdles and hoops and red tape to go through that nobody bothers.
Livingstone talked green but in practice was the number one cause of pollution in the western world.
Hopefully now Boris will loosen the restrictions on the use of LPG in London.
Going back to the Peak Oil stuff again.
Most of our pump prices are made of Labour government tax.
A staggering 75% of the pump price is made up of TAX.
If petrol retailing was so profitable why have so many Filling stations closed down and been used as hand cars washes or blocks of flats?
So those whose use pump prices to promote peak oil are wrong.
With Labour in charge there is no such thing as PEAK OIL TAX. _________________
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SHERITON HOTEL Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Point of order, I thought LPG vehicles were exempted from the congestion charge?!?
Will Boris honour Ken's oil deal with Hugo Chaveez? |
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blackcat Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | A staggering 75% of the pump price is made up of TAX. |
Karlos - unless my calculator is not working properly that graph you posted shows the percentage of tax on petrol has fallen from about 73% under Tories to 66% under "Labour". When are you ever going to learn that it means nothing anyway.They are both the same!!! _________________ "The conflict between corporations and activists is that of narcolepsy versus remembrance. The corporations have money, power and influence. Our sole influence is public outrage. Extract from "Cloud Atlas (page 125) by David Mitchell. |
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zimboy69 Moderate Poster
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: Fuel prices |
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I am at a loss
In 3 weeks fuel in my town has gone up 7p a litre
How does this work?
If oil is sold by the doller and we get more dollars to the pound shouldn't our fuel be cheaper?
cause when the doller is stong thats reason they give for our fuel costing more
if there is a huge increase in the use of oil over a number of years like a rise in population fair enough
but did we see a huge rise in oil using people in the last few weeks
if there is a open market and oil is sold to the highest buyer then how many other people pay as much as we do for a litre
do south america, north america and asia all pay the same per litre as we do
if the price keeps rising we will see £2 a litre in a year
how can people suddenly find money to pay for this fuel when everything else is going up |
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chek Mega Poster
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: fuel prices |
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zimboy69 wrote: | i am at a loss
in 3 weeks fuel in my town has gone up 7p a litre
how dose this work
if oil is sold by the doller and we get more dollers to the pound shouldnt our fuel be cheaper?
cause when the doller is stong thats reason they give for our fuel costing more
if there is a huge increase in the use of oil over a number of years like a rise in population fair enough
but did we see a huge rise in oil using people in the last few weeks
if there is a open market and oil is sold to the highest buyer then how many other people pay as much as we do for a litre
do south america, north america and asia all pay the same per litre as we do
if the price keeps rising we will see £2 a litre in a year
how can people suddenly find money to pay for this fuel when everything else is going up |
Entirely anecdotal, but here in N. Ireland oil is a major home heating fuel, with natural gas only being introduced a few years ago and its distribution pipelines not extending far out of Belfast.
Today, one of the office secretaries was brought to work by her husband, who happens to run an oil delivery business. They arrived in some form of brand new tastefully coloured bright orange Ferrari whose basic list price is, as far as I can see about 170 grand.
Whether this illustrates some form of profiteering is occurring I don't know. But it makes you wonder. _________________ Dissolution of the Global Corporations.
It's the only way.
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fish5133 Site Admin
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Gotta pay for our illegal war somehow. Everything goes up including government income via VAT etc. Scrap 10p tax rate also should raise a few billion (well done Frank Field MP and others for kicking up a stink) We have an ex chancellor as puppet and NWO advocate now. Only way to try and counter it is to only spend same amount of money (no option for some of us) fuel costs more so eat and drink less dont buy so many clothes etc just try and rearrange your annual budget _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12 |
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karlos Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 3:42 am Post subject: |
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blackcat wrote: | Quote: | A staggering 75% of the pump price is made up of TAX. |
Karlos - unless my calculator is not working properly that graph you posted shows the percentage of tax on petrol has fallen from about 73% under Tories to 66% under "Labour". When are you ever going to learn that it means nothing anyway.They are both the same!!! |
That graph only goes up to 2007
Yes you are right both are bad - i agree.
But Labour are worse. As the poster above says they have to pay for the two illegal wars and the phoney terror laws and that is why taxing so heavily.
In a real world as the price of crude rises in Dollar terms it may well stay constant in Sterling terms and may well be falling in Euros.
The level of tax should be cut to offset price rises.
But the government is virtually bankrupt.
Going back to LPG, Petrol, Diesel.
Diesel is the most economical to use ie more MPG
LPG is the cleanest and cheapest.
Yes the congestion zone is free for LPG but it is also free for all taxis, minicabs, minibuses, etc.
The barriers to LPG use are that in addition to normal MOTs and inspections LPG vehicles have to undergo more stringent tests at specially designated testing stations. Surprisingly the nearest one is in Hatfield. I am led to believe.
It is a complete nonsense to make people jump through these additional hurdles. In Germany LPG is far more widely used.
There are so many cheap fuels Bio Diesel, Ethanol, Compressed Air, Hybrids, Electric, Hydrogen Generators, etc.
The reason for this slavery to petrol is because the government wants us to keep paying heavy taxes.
Milk floats have been run on electric for many many years, as have City of London bank clearing vans. So why not minibuses and vans to start with followed by taxis and couriers?
Asda started running all it's lorries on Animal Fats which are ofcourse Tax Free. But the government soon blocked it.
TNT have started using electric delivery vans. Lets see how long before the government stops them as well.
NWO or the Oil Lobby or whatever you call it runs our government.
That is why there is no logic at all to our energy policy.
How many hydroelectric dams does Britain have? _________________
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blackcat Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | But Labour are worse. As the poster above says they have to pay for the two illegal wars and the phoney terror laws and that is why taxing so heavily. |
The Tories voted almost unanimously for the wars!!! The biggest vote against was from Labour backbenchers and there would have been no overall vote in favour of war if the Tories had voted against it. They are the same!!!! They are working together!!!
Even though North sea oil revenues are falling we are still producing huge quantities of oil so where is the bonanza now that the price, therefore the profits, have boomed recently?? In venezuela they pay pennies for a gallon of petrol as is the case in Mexico and other oil producing states. The reality is both our main political parties are owned by business and the people who own them are keeping the cash. _________________ "The conflict between corporations and activists is that of narcolepsy versus remembrance. The corporations have money, power and influence. Our sole influence is public outrage. Extract from "Cloud Atlas (page 125) by David Mitchell. |
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Busker Moderate Poster
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: |
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fish5133 wrote: | Gotta pay for our illegal war somehow. |
Quite.
Is there a legal route to impeach a UK government?
£1.25 round these parts. Enough is enough. |
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911Eyewitness Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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telecasterisation wrote: | but there are vast numbers of people who struggle to exist in sprawling concrete jungles where there is no local work, so to smugly say things like 'I have never plugged in' means what exactly? |
I would take it to mean that he never fell for the road apple that you had to "struggle to exist in a sprawling concete - etc". It is amazing what happens if you look around you and step outside your box. It is by choice that one becomes a mere pinball in the game. |
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911Eyewitness Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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blackcat wrote: | Quote: | A staggering 75% of the pump price is made up of TAX. |
Karlos - unless my calculator is not working properly that graph you posted shows the percentage of tax on petrol has fallen from about 73% under Tories to 66% under "Labour". When are you ever going to learn that it means nothing anyway.They are both the same!!! |
So if you earn a pound, and the government taxes that pound for earning it at half, and you spend the 50p on petrol, which is taxed at 66 percent, is the government actually taking some 80 percent of your earned pound in tax? They get 80p you get 20???
Well, you get a little more than USA taxpayers. |
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karlos Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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This is simply daylight robbery by the government.
By the way, they keep talking about inflation being 2.5% per annum. Surely that is bare faced lies.
Food has doubled in price especially bread, meat, etc.
Gas and electric and other utilities have also doubled.
And diesel is now £1.25.
So surely inflation is running at close to Zimbabwe levels and the Labour government is simply lying about 2.5% _________________
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telecasterisation Banned
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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911Eyewitness wrote: | I would take it to mean that he never fell for the road apple that you had to "struggle to exist in a sprawling concete - etc". It is amazing what happens if you look around you and step outside your box. It is by choice that one becomes a mere pinball in the game. |
Thanks for responding, however I'd appreciate a tad more detail just to flesh out the skeleton you have hinted at.
In other words, acknowledging and recognising a 'road apple' is indeed an ability developed only by the enlightened, however circumstances, or more pertinently, independent financial funding tends to be the only way to sidestep the way culture 'forces' you to participate. Unless you can avoid going to work and contributing to 'the system', then the box you are proposing you step outside, is 50ft high, 8ft thick reinforced steel and you are on the same side from birth.
I regularly see these basic concepts outlined, but I can never get a straight easy-to-understand answer as to what 'unplugging' actually entails? Without wishing to appear inflammatory, I completely dismiss the premise that we are in life's bagatelle by choice. I consider myself a free-thinker and a student of Gurdjieff of nearly thirty years, but still, despite being as mentally detached as I can be at any given moment (The Work is an ongoing state of being), I still participate in The Game on many levels that cannot be disconnected.
So without too much detail and in terms that don't add any uncertainty, how would a child growing up today in Brixton, exit the system? _________________ I completely challenge the official version of events - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC -I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC |
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mr nice Validated Poster
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Quote: | So without too much detail and in terms that don't add any uncertainty, how would a child growing up today in Brixton, exit the system? |
Ok tele well i grew up in streatham got stabbed once and bottled more than once like all my mates spent most of my teens trying to be a badman but got to the point where i was the only one of my friends from my year who was not in jail,and through the copious use of LSD started to realize that the violence and aggression I had so diligently cultivated and practiced in my personal life was just an expression of insecurity.this realization was very painful at the time and came at the cost of losing all the "friends" mentioned above.but now 10 years on i live with my girl and small daughter in a converted parcel delivery van in the SW of the UK and while we are not 100% off grid we are as self sufficient as poss and improving our situation all the time, the next thing on the list is a wind turbine for the van!
I suppose the point i am trying to make is that before someone can think outside the box they need to know there is an "outside" to the box because once someone is aware of the "outside" they can make any changes necessary to get there. I did but first I had to say goodbye to my whole life and very nearly everyone in it.
for me the catalyst was LSD for other people it is other things but but trying to imply that no one from an urban background has the opportunity to get out is not true its just that the trauma of a childhood in the inner city its very difficult to shake off.
For anyone slightly interested in my story you should check out the talks by terrence mckenna on Gvid & Ytube this guy who I only came across recently sums up the the affect that psychedelic compounds had on my life and also goes some way to explaining why they have been so vilified in our culture.
peace _________________ Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its ground.
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911Eyewitness Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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telecasterisation wrote: | 911Eyewitness wrote: | I would take it to mean that he never fell for the road apple that you had to "struggle to exist in a sprawling concete - etc". It is amazing what happens if you look around you and step outside your box. It is by choice that one becomes a mere pinball in the game. |
Thanks for responding, however I'd appreciate a tad more detail just to flesh out the skeleton you have hinted at.
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If someone asked you how to see? What do you tell them?
Can a pinball do anything about what it is or its destiny? You are complaining that pinball’s will not find their destiny or escape it. They cannot. They will not even know they are part of the game. They will think that bouncing off a bumper is a choice and do it better than any others to get a good score.
I merely speculate that the original poster may have that mental capacity to note the road apple, which is dried waste material a horse, dog, or other animal may leave behind, that deludes people into conforming to what options seem to be available. Contrary to the road apples this does not cost much but for some there may be the smell of burning sawdust as they overheat their brains figuring that one out (if at all).
A real human can make a choice and change everything around them. There are no restrictions other than to hide these qualities from those who would bind them for it. Ergo my choice to always be the gracious guest of the royals rather than subject to them.
You are correct that your parents, who like trained robots teach you the ways of the slave, bind the shackles. I left early. |
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911Eyewitness Validated Poster
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="telecasterisation"] 911Eyewitness wrote: |
So without too much detail and in terms that don't add any uncertainty, how would a child growing up today in Brixton, exit the system? |
Brixton is pretty cool. You the child? Your Child? Do they even care? This is a parents job (joke there isnt it?)
If it is you I can reply. I can even help a bit if it is your kid. But everyone has a different road so I can't go beyond that. |
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