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insidejob Validated Poster
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:52 am Post subject: Linda Norgrove - another perspective |
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The story about aid worker killed in a hostage rescue operation makes no sense. This is another perspective that makes a lot more sense.
http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2010/10/murder-of-linda-norgrove.html
Tuesday, October 12, 2010
THE MURDER OF LINDA NORGROVE
"British aid worker murdered ( http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/10/10/british-aid-worker -murdered-by-taliban-during-rescue-operation-115875-22622241/) by Taliban during rescue operation" I knew this story was bs when I first read it. Initial debriefings of the 'crack US troops' involved somehow missed the little incident of throwing a grenade into the area where they thought Norgrove was being held. The story (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/travel/Captors+killed+Linda+Norgrove+w ith+suicide+vest+source/3652075/story.html) of how the evil Taliban killed her with a suicide vest started to sprout more and more details with the retelling. Suddenly, somebody looked at a tape of the incident (the fact it is a NATO operation probably meant the Americans couldn't hide the tape from the British), saw the grenade being thrown, and the world turned upside down...
... They wanted her dead. Why? Probably the usual reason: she knew too much, or at least might have known too much. The most likely explanation by far was that she was in the hands of the drug warlords who operate with the CIA, and thus might have had stories to tell which the CIA didn't want told... |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1320363/Soldier-accidentally-k illed-British-hostage-Linda-Norgrove-punished.html
Quote: | British aid worker had ESCAPED Taliban captors and was in foetal position when elite troops detonated grenade
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:47 PM on 14th October 2010
A British aid worker who died during a botched raid on the compound where she was being held hostage had escaped her captors and was hiding when a U.S. grenade killed her.
Linda Norgrove was cowering in a foetal position when troops detonated the deadly grenade.
Now an elite U.S. commando is facing disciplinary action over the death of the 36-year-old after it emerged he failed to tell his commanding officers he had used a grenade.
American officials initially claimed Miss Norgrove had been killed when one of her Taliban captors detonated a suicide vest.
But after reviewing footage captured on the Navy Seals' helmet cameras the U.S. was forced to apologise for the fatal blunder.
Now sources in Kabal and London have revealed new details about the raid which was ordered after intelligence suggested Miss Norgrove was about to be passed up the terrorist chain.
The soldier who is believed to have killed Miss Norgrove was part of the crack Seal Team Six, which abseiled into the target compound in the early hours of Saturday.
Six insurgents holding Miss Norgrove were killed in the fierce gun battle that followed.
But it is now claimed the Seals did not see one of the Taliban drag the aid worker out of a hut or Miss Norgrove break free, even though they were wearing night-vision goggles.
Reviewing video images of the raid, their commander saw one soldier hurl the grenade into the compound four seconds before a blast killed Miss Norgrove.
The troops involved in the assault - in the remote, mountainous Korengal Valley - were asked if any of them had used a fragmentation grenade and one confessed.
A family friend of Miss Norgrove’s parents John, 60, and Lorna, 62, said: ‘It seems they almost rescued Linda and it makes it even more painful that it went so tragically wrong at the point when they were on the verge of freeing her.’
Miss Norgrove's body was flown back to Britain today.
A spokeswoman for RAF Lyneham in Wiltshire said the remains of the 36-year-old was brought to the base by military plane.
However it is likely to be several more days before they will be released to her family because of post mortem tests.
The Scottish Government has said that under current legislation any inquest into her death will be held in England. Scotland has no powers to hold a Fatal Accident Inquiry into a death abroad.
A funeral on the Isle of Lewis is expected sometime next week.
Prime Minister David Cameron was today meeting General Petraeus at Downing Street and although the meeting was planned before Miss Norgrove died the failed operation will be top of the agenda.
On Monday an ashen-faced Mr Cameron confirmed it was likely Miss Norgrove died due to friendly fire. He said he would replay the circumstances leading up to the green light for the operation ‘100 times’ in his head.
Although Mr Cameron has been keen to blame terrorists rather than U.S. troops for the death, military sources have raised concerns about the training the team had for hostage situations.
The Prime Minister, who has already spoken with the general and US president Barack Obama about the incident by telephone, said yesterday that the picture was still 'unclear' about how the hostage situation had ended.
He added: 'It is an impossibly difficult decision to make about whether to launch a raid and try to free a hostage.
'In the end we must all be clear: the responsibility for Linda's death lies with those cowardly, ruthless people who took her hostage in the first place.'
Asked if he had considered using British special forces to try to rescue Miss Norgrove, Mr Cameron said: ‘Of course I asked a huge number of questions.’ But he insisted it would have been ‘quite unorthodox’ for him to overrule commanders on the ground and insist on British special forces undertaking the rescue in an area known by U.S. forces.
Originally from Sutherland in the Scottish Highlands, Miss Norgrove was working for the U.S. firm Development Alternatives Inc in the east of Afghanistan when she was seized by militants in Kunar province on September 26.
Action was taken after reports that Miss Norgrove was soon to be moved to another, secret location.
The first intelligence suggesting Miss Norgrove’s whereabouts – a few buildings surrounded by a perimeter wall – had come from U.S. pilotless drones. She had reputedly been moved after being seized on her way to open a new water project.
An experienced aid worker who had served in South America and the Far East, she had been travelling in the region wearing a burqa to disguise the fact that she was a Westerner in this insurgents’ stronghold.
Her parents John and Lorna Norgrove have said they believe launching the raid was the right thing to do.
THE DEADLY DAWN MISSION: HOW DARING RAID TO FREE AID WORKER ENDED IN DISASTER
Miss Norgrove was seized with three Afghan colleagues, all of whom were soon released. She soon became the subject of frantic negotiations between British agents and local tribal leaders.
Nato forces had also received ‘hu-mint’ – human intelligence from local, paid spies – confirming the hostage’s location in the Korengal Valley, one of the most dangerous and lawless places in Afghanistan.
Disturbing intelligence suggested she was about to be smuggled over the border to an even more lawless area in Pakistan, where she would be held to ransom or used as a bargaining chip.
‘It was clear from very early on that the level of threat was very high that she would be moved from the very bad people who were holding her to even worse people across the border in Pakistan,’ said a senior security source.
‘The last thing we wanted was for her to be passed into the hands of Al Qaeda. It was agreed that if there was an opportunity to mount a special forces mission we should do so.’
The plan was to attack the hideout at night before the insurgents rose for dawn prayers.
Dressed in black, wearing night-vision goggles and carrying automatic weapons and grenades, a small band of Navy Seals – the U.S. equivalent of the SAS – were informed that over their earpieces that the situation was a ‘go’.
When the raid began Miss Norgrove is believed to have been sleeping in a separate mud-floored room with women and children.
First, a small party of men – the ‘forward extraction’ unit – crept into the compound on foot. Snipers were deployed to pick off anyone attempting to flee.
With the forward team in place, back-up arrived in helicopters and abseiled down ropes into the compound.
The Seals then sprinted to the building where Miss Norgrove was being held, as 150 other U.S. troops surrounded the compound.
Using Colt M4A1 automatic rifles and grenades, five Navy Seals were engaged in a vicious fire-fight as they attempted to get to the hostage. She was being guarded by at least eight terrorists.
Despite the fierce Taliban resistance, the Seals managed to fight their way towards the Miss Norgrove’s building. And then, with six Taliban gunmen already dead, one of the Seals threw a grenade through the door.
When the Seals entered the room, they found Linda Norgrove. She was still alive, but had terrible injuries caused by the grenade blast. Although she received medical attention it was too late to save her. |
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Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Wall Street Journal reporting
THE BIG QUESTIONS ARE... Who was she working for? & What did Linda know?
U.K. Finds U.S. Forces Liable in Killing
By ALISTAIR MACDONALD
LONDON—Kidnapped British aide worker Linda Norgrove was killed by a grenade thrown by U.S. special operations forces in a botched rescue attempt, British Foreign Secretary William Hague said an investigation has confirmed.
British aid worker Linda Norgrove.
Ms. Norgrove's death in Afghanistan in October was initially blamed on her Taliban captors before U.S. forces said they may have been responsible and set up a joint investigation into the death with British military experts. Ms. Norgrove, 36 years old, was slain on Oct. 8 as what a person familiar with the matter described as a team of Navy Seals stormed the compound where she was being held in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan.
The grenade had been thrown by a U.S. soldier at a group of insurgents as he advanced along a narrow ledge towards a series of buildings in which U.S. troops believed Ms. Norgove was being held. Ms. Norgrove was with the insurgents and died from shrapnel from a fragmentation-grenade that pierced her head and chest, wounds which at first were believed to have been from a suicide vest.
The failed rescue attempt has led to disciplinary action for members of the special operations forces team for "failing to provide a complete and full account of their actions," Mr. Hague said.
Ms. Norgrove was traveling along a main road in Kunar province when she was abducted in September by a local Taliban faction linked to al Qaeda. She was working with Development Alternatives Inc., one of the largest development contractors working for the U.S. State Department in Afghanistan. Three Afghans abducted with Ms. Norgrove were subsequently released unharmed.
The rescue came at the end of an operation which had deployed around 1,000 U.S. and Afghan troops when two helicopters dropped U.S. troops off near to two small groups of buildings high in the Dewagal valley.
Mr. Hague said U.S. special operations forces had been operating in total darkness and descended from helicopters at a near-vertical incline of a rugged mountainside, 8,000 feet in height.
U.S. and U.K. forces typically don't use grenades in such hostage rescues and the soldier who threw it has been disciplined by U.S. forces after not reporting his use to senior officers, Mr. Hague said.
The U.K. minister praised the bravery of U.S. troops but said it was a "matter of concern" that the facts of how Ms. Norgrove died were not made clear immediately after the operation.
Mr. Hague said he had given the authority to mount the operation because he concluded that Ms. Norgrove's life was at risk. "We judged that Linda Norgrove's life was in grave danger from the moment she was abducted, and we feared that her captors would pass her higher up the Taliban chain of command or move her to more inaccessible terrain," he told parliament. "We also judged that the only credible prospect of securing her release was through a rescue attempt, which is why I authorized such an attempt to be made."
The joint U.S. and U.K. investigation was conducted by a ten-man team over two and a half weeks in Afghanistan. It interviewed all the personnel involved in the rescue attempt, and assessed hours of video evidence and hundreds of pages of documentary evidence.
Mr. Hague said that the U.S. military is reviewing tactics, techniques and procedures involved in hostage rescue operations following Ms. Norgrove's death.
"U.S. Central Command sincerely regrets the loss of life that resulted from this terrible incident, and we extend our deepest condolences to the Norgrove family for their tragic loss," a spokesman for U.S. forces said.
Hostage rescues have proven deadly before. Last September, British special operations forces rescued a kidnapped New York Times reporter but his translator was killed in the attempt.
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Coroner turns truth on its head today [my additions in square brackets]
Norgrove coroner praises US forces
(UKPA) – 4 hours ago
A coroner has praised the courage of the US special forces who mounted a botched mission to rescue kidnapped aid worker Linda Norgrove in Afghanistan.
Ms Norgrove, 36, was killed by a grenade thrown by a US soldier during the operation, but Wiltshire coroner David Ridley did not blame him or his comrades for the tragic mistake.
Giving a narrative verdict at her inquest, he said the serviceman "genuinely feared for the safety of the lives of his colleagues and also himself and had to make a critical decision in a fraction of a second".
And he hailed the "bravery and courage shown by the US special forces in even attempting that rescue".
Ms Norgrove, from the Western Isles, was helping the Afghan people rebuild their war-torn country [not gathering intel of course] when she was seized during an ambush in the Dewagal valley in Kunar province on September 26.
The inquest heard that visibility was so poor the US troops who tried to rescue her had been unaware of her presence as they fired at insurgents and the fatal grenade was thrown. It also heard details of how close the special forces came to achieving their goal.
Giving [second hand] evidence at Wiltshire and Swindon Coroner's Court, British Brigadier Robert Nitsch, who helped investigate the incident, said a US soldier had thrown the grenade as he feared his comrades were in danger and had been "thinking at a million miles a minute at this time".
In the aftermath of the disaster, false information was given that she had been killed by an Afghan insurgent, with the truth not emerging for almost two days. This was partly because the team leader of the operation believed her captor had blown himself up, the inquest heard.
The inquest was attended by her parents, John and Lorna, who live on Lewis in the Western Isles, younger sister, Sofie Corns, 34, and eight-month-old nephew, Tom.
In a statement released after the verdict, the family said: "She was a lovely girl, had so much to offer and was such a force for good in the world. We miss her terribly. The whole affair is a tragedy. [and we're not allowed to criticise these gun-ho murderers in this second hand tittle-tattle travesty of an inquest]" _________________ www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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A win win decsion by the Generals. If they rescued her alive--look what wonderful things we do. If she gets killed along with all the Taliban captors it sends them a message we dont stand for hostage taking. She was politically expendable collateral damage.. She would have been far safer in her captors hands (if indeed they were captors) especially when they find out her aid work.
IO was suspicious the moment I saw Hague giving his televised sadness story. maybe he was feeling guilty for having sanctioned the rescue attempt. Then he found his scapegoat
Quote: | U.S. and U.K. forces typically don't use grenades in such hostage rescues and the soldier who threw it has been disciplined by U.S. forces after not reporting his use to senior officers, Mr. Hague said. |
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