New York Post - 2/3 U.S. People Say Govt. 'Let 9/11 Happen'

[conspiracy analyst]

Poll: 2/3 US people now say govt 'let 9/11 happen'

From the NY Post Nov 24 2007:

" Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe the federal government had warnings about 9/11 but decided to ignore them, a national survey found.

And that's not the only conspiracy theory with a huge number of true believers in the United States.

The poll found that more than one out of three Americans believe Washington is concealing the truth about UFOs and the Kennedy assassination - and most everyone is sure the rise in gas prices is one vast oil-industry conspiracy.

Sixty-two percent of those polled thought it was "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials turned a blind eye to specific warnings of the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

Only 30 percent said the 9/11 theory was "not likely," according to the Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

The findings followed a 2006 poll by the same researchers, who found that 36 percent of Americans believe federal government officials "either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action" because they wanted "to go to war in the Middle East."

In that poll, 16 percent said the Twin Towers might have collapsed because of secretly planted explosives - not hijacked passenger jets flown into them.

And what hit the Pentagon? Twelve percent figured it was a US cruise missile.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11242007/news/nationalnews/blame_u_s__for_ 9_11_idiots_in_majority_318165.htm

[rodin]

They had to smear 911 with UFO didn't they?

[GazeboflossUK]

[Bongo]

[GazeboflossUK]

Yeah.

I guess they have become experts at publishing stories which they really can't avoid but tarring them with crackpot talk and huge spin.

This is how mainstream press work. They have allowed the story out, sort of - which is an attempt to keep any remaining "fair/balanced" credibility.

But they mess with it so much that in the end it's almost a whole other story.

[Mark Gobell]

Might as well include the NY Post's headline:

[outsider]

[Sam Danner]

To Readers and forum members:
You have hit the nail on the head about the Americans and what they really think about the nine eleven issue. Anger is displayed everywhere. But nobody wants to do anything about it. Everybody is scared. Scared of what? Getting water boarded? When I had Pentagon wittnesses and Pentagon employees beside me picking up pieces of a cruise missle, do you think that any of them would stick by me? This really pisses me off. It appears to me that the UK has more of a grip on the trauma of nine eleven than us Americans! Am I angry? You are Damn right I am angry. I tried to go before Congress with Dr. Jones on thermite used to bring the towers down. Look at me on the internet. Smear campains. lies and counter lies and threats and disinformation and I am Damn well sick of it. But what else can I do? Nothing because I am some demented Crazy Psycho,that is a puppet of the CIA and the DOD and the Secret Service and I am a zionist scum and I work for the Mossad!!!
I could write a book on what Americans do and think about Nine Eleven. Everybody in the United States is just too Damn comfortable to care.
Sam Danner

[Mackelroy]

Ten Four on that. It seems to be the thing in the US of A to smear, slander, and libel those who seek to dig beneath the layers of establishment media propaganda and lies, looking for the truth. What and who actually brought 9-11 to its bloody fruition? Don't ask. Don't tell. Just listen to the hypnotic beats of CNN, NBC, ABC, and woe betide those who think and act for themselves, for their names will be dragged through the mud, and their babies smashed in their nurses' arms.

No one could have known that such attacks were in the making said headlines, articles, journalists, TV talking heads, magazines, and the bought-and-paid-for, careerist, mouthpieces on talk radio for years. I read and heard enough of this one outrageous lie to make me sick and disgusted. That one statement alone, as a fact, was absolutely impossible for them to have known, even if they had conducted in-depth interviews with a million people. So, why did media spend so much ink, time, and money drum-beating a known false message into the collective psyche of the Amerikan sheeple? Obviously there were agenda. The truth had been crucified upon a field of oil. Plausible explanations were put in truth's place. The Sheeple are selfish and indifferent. They will believe anything told them by their government and media. And it was back to business and politics as usual.

The sacrifice of some 3000 persons on 9-11 was seen as a necessary cost.
Power is ever seeking and had its way. The state, big business, and the military will aggrandize their bases of power. The oil will be ours.

No matter who you are, what you know, or what you discovered about 9-11 before or after that fated day for Amerika, the powers that be will plow you under if you do not serve their cause. It is the nature of the beast.
Freedom of the press is an off the shelf plea. It helps to propagate the illusion that what you are getting is the truth because everyone is free to tell the truth in the free press. Freedom of the press is a lie. It is free to print only selected truths or no truths at all.

[TonyGosling]

These terror events are a way of subjecting society to mass trauma. Much like the Orson Welles' 'War Of The Worlds' radio experiment in the 1950s.

This is a well known psycological technique of the kind developed by Walter Lipman and PR gurus as well as the Tavistock Institute because mass populations become far more suggestible and obedient when in trauma.

for more see
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mind-Control-World-Jim-Keith/dp/0932813453/ref =sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=gateway&qid=1200745775&sr=8-9
http://www.wingtv.net/mindcontrolworldcontrol.html

[karlos]

A freind of mine just got back from 3 months in Greenwich / Conneticut.
He said that every single american he met and spoke to openly admitted that 911 was an inside job.
The problem ofcourse is that the public is no longer a party to any proceedings.
The establishment has electronic voting machines that decide on your behalf.
4 media companies all controlled by the same zionist cabal that censor all news and entertainment.
Even if 99% of the public believe that 911 is a lie it probably is too late for them to change anything.
Obama is Cheney and Bush's cousin 10 times removed which actually makes all of them part of the same bloodline.
Clinton is another mind controlled tool.
Ron Paul and Kucinich are being censored

The sad thing is that in Britain most of the public remains more concerned with boob jobs and boozing etc

[outsider]

[Mackelroy]

In my opinion, it is certain that some government agents were aware the attacks were going to happen, where, and about when they would take place. One problem is that persons at high levels of governance are "above the law." That does not mean they can rob banks and go free, but it does mean that they can commit deliberate acts of malice and misfeasance, resulting in grave consequences, e.g. 9-11, and escape the penalties normally imposed for gross negligence. By normally I mean what would happen to you or me if we had done the same thing.

The people of the US do not have the same control of government they had in the old days. Populations are hypnotized by mass media from the cradle to the grave. Propaganda and deception are no longer the exception; they are the rule. Can a government such as we have in the USA wage a covert war against its own citizens? Many other governments have against theirs, and murdered by the millions, and not covertly either. Look at Nazi Germany, Pol Pot's Cambodia, and Stalin's Communist Soviet Union for more recent historical examples. Was 9-11 the opening salvo of a larger plan?

I was in the army. There were definitely some underhanded goings on in Europe when I was there, with military personnel being in conspiracy with terrorist organizations there. I think the boys at the top of the heap have found out what power can do, and how intoxicating it is. They have also discovered what they can do and get away with. This world has always been a dangerous place. I think at least one nuclear attack is being planned here, not by shooting missiles through the sky, but by smuggling a nuclear device into the country and detonating it in a large city. And you can bet that city will not be Washington, D.C.

9-11 was known for quite a long time before the actual attacks. Nobody wants to do anything about it.

[outsider]

[Mackelroy]

There is no question whatsoever in my mind that the attack plans of 9-11 had been uncovered long before 9-11. As a matter of fact, I know this without question. I have found it strange that US mass media and so many American people would reject that simple fact both before and after the attacks.

I, personally, could paste a list here of some 125 persons who were told directly, actively, and in detail about coming airplane attacks against the world trade center and the pentagon, with the warnings beginning in 1997, and continuing up to and through the night of September 10, 2001. Not all warnings have names attached to them. Some of the alerts went in the form of anonymous phone calls. Other alerts were spoken to certain named persons in the presence of un-named others who heard. Some warnings were to un-named students in college classes who were given very clear, specific, detailed information on the attacks, along with explicit drawings and approxiate dates.

Most all persons who were forewarned rejected the information. After the attacks they still rejected it, for the most part, but I do have in my possession sworn statements by some persons who admitted having been told about the attacks before 9-11. I know they are telling the truth, the witnesses that is, because I was there. Hence, my statements are not subject to argument or to real controversy.

Among the 130 who were told, some were working for government and in law enforcement. It has been these, the government types, who have stonewalled on all requests for verification of the information given them about the attacks of 9-11 before 9-11. It appears that there was either one case of negligence and malfeasance after another, or, they did notify higher authorities who decided to cover the matter up, or, the higher authorities were scuttled in their mission by the Bush administration, CIA, FBI, SS. Like another poster on this forum, I was slandered, libeled, and threatened on the WWW after releasing this information. I have been accused of all sorts of unimaginable acts of depravity.

They can libel and accuse, but they cannot change the truth after it has already ocurred. The truth was and still is. I obtained detailed information about the attacks of 9-11 in 1997. I told people about those coming attacks wherever I went and socialized. I told them in detail about the commandeered, fuel-laden aircraft, and named the world trade center and pentagon and capitol explicitly, and gave times.

I say they cannot change the truth after it has happened, and that is an aphorism because it is impossible to change events of the past, but they can influence people's beliefs and perceptions about what happened in the past, and for all practical intents and purposes, that is almost as good as changing the past. Since 9-11 I have told many people I had known about the attacks, but obviously mass media propagands had gotten to them first, and I was dismissed as a delusional person looking for attention. The fact is I am anything BUT delusional. Attacking myself is unfair and criminally offensive. America is in a bad state of mind when they cannot accept such simple facts as the ones I have asserted.

It may seem unlikely that a person such as myself could get etailed information like that, but the fact is that I did, and I have recorded my experiences in the form of a written manuscript of some 54,000 words.

If you believe that government persons were given detailed information about the attacks of 9-11 well prior to 9-11, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, AND I CAN SUBSTANTIATE YOUR BELIEFS WITH INFORMATION I KNOW UNQUESTIONABLY TO BE FACTS.

[Mackelroy]

Not only that, the persons in Saudi Arabia in 1997 who told me they would launch the attacks did not mention using aircraft to do it at all---I did. I had been thoroughly and criminally and illegally screwed over in the USA. The law and government refused to function on my behalf; in fact, the b****** aided and abetted the criminal offenders against me.

In 1969 I put together a plan to get an aircraft, load it with barrels of gasoline and explosives, and fly it into a large government complex in Florida. I obviously did not do it, but I put it on paper many years ago, and have it still. Matters only got worse later. I applied for work in Saudi Arabia in 1997. I wanted to make contact with people there who might have the power and interest to help a poor guy like me get justice and retribution through an alternative route. It was clear that the US government and in Florida had gone corrupt and were bought off, and I really did not agree with my being treated the way I was, being that some of my ancestors were the founding fathers and such.

Words led to words, and I proposed the plan with the airplanes as missiles.They agreed to that and to other matters in addition, which they also followed up on, I might add. I was looking at Florida, but as matters proceeded, I could see the genius in their choice of targets. As soon as I found out their precise targets I began telling the plan to others, which, I might also add, I told the Saudis I could do without endangering operational security because of the arrogant attitudes of most Americans. As matters led to matters, what I said was proven accurate and true. I most certainly did tell detailed information about the coming attacks to about 130 persons, including government and law enforcement, and the plan went ahead as you saw on 9-11. So,what do you know about that?

Out of all the law enforcement I told, not one made any effort to follow up
or investigate, which is predictable for a bunch of goddamn arrogant b******. I called the 911 number in Stuart, Florida in early 2001 and told them terrorists were in the area planning attacks and using airplanes. NO effort to follow up or pursue the matter.

There were some cutbacks on the original plan of attack as I learned in 1997. The original, in addition to the WTC and the fascist pentagon, included the Smithsonian, the US Capitol, the White House, and Wall Street.

You reading this are probably saying---This guy is some kind of outrageous goddamn liar. That is the kind of response I expect. In fact, I relied on it for covering my ass for 9-11. You cannot say I conspired on the attacks because I told so many people about them in detail. I have witnesses who know I was telling. And, if all you people are so damn smart as you arrogate yourselves to be, why, out of 130 persons, including college students, professors, law enforcement, and government, did nobody make any effort to follow up and get more information which I could very easily have given if they had not decided to treat me as something less than human.

9-11 Sic semper tyrannis.
What comes around goes around.
Trains in Europe.

[outsider]

@ M, There are of course several problems; no plane hit the Pentagon (initial 18' diameter hole, no initial damage where wings, engine and tail would have hit, including unbroken windows); and on looking at slow-motion shots of the 'Boeings' that we all saw go into the Towers, it's evident to me and many others (though we appear to be in the minority) that this video footage was faked.
And of course, if 19 box-cutter wielding 'terrorists' really did board the planes (all of which supposedly had only a fraction of their normal passenger load, and two of which were not scheduled to fly at all) then where the hell are the video surveillance shots of them going through to board? If they really had boarded, what would the Neo-Fascist NWO Administration have to hide? Ditto video of the 'Boeing' which supposedly hit the Pentagon?
And do you, M, go along with the fiction that it was 'planes' and fires that brought down the Towers?

[Mackelroy]

To be honest with you, I wonder about the hit on the pentagon myself. Several others have raised that point. I have seen pictures of the hole in the pentagon. It sure as hell does not look like anything a large passenger aircraft would do. And you are right, there were not any pieces of aircraft anywhere that I could see.

I am glad to see that there are people out here who do not blindly accept every word that our government and its media are trying to feed us. I, for one, know that they can, will, and do lie through their teeth.

As for the hits on the WTC, well, what can I say? Several different people, many in fact, caught the strikes on video. They cannot all be doctoring their videos. Not only that, several thousand people saw it with their own eyes, including my own sister who saw the second plane hit the tower. No dice on that one. I know a man who was there when it happened, and he helped in the rescue operation. He received a commendation from the Coast Guard or some other organization. He saw it with his own eyes. No way on that argument, no way.

I did know about the attacks myself. I did tell about 130 persons including law enforcement people. That I do know for first-hand, unquestionable fact.

[Mackelroy]

Not only that, many people had met and seen the commandeers in Florida.
In 1997 I gave advice to people in Saudi Arabia that they could come to Florida for the training for the techncal parts of the mission, if any such training might be needed. I gave advice on how to act, and what not to say so as to avoid bringing suspicion upon themselves. I called the 911 number in Stuart, Florida in early 2001 and told them they were there.

As for the fall of the towers. It was kind of obvious what happened. Bring forth one witness who saw others planting the domolition charges, and I will go along with that one. Better yet, get someone who planted the charges. What we saw was real.

Besides, I thought this thread had to do with the government's knowing about the attacks and allowing them to proceed. I have added evidence as a primary source witness that some persons in government and law enforcement were in fact told in detail about those attacks, and did nothing to investigate or to prevent them so far as I have been able to
ascertain. I am primary source evidence. I have written a 54,000 word manuscript detailing my experiences getting the information about 9-11, and telling others about the coming attacks for years.

If they do not have videos of the cuplrits getting on the jets, then so. Lack of evidence means only that---lackof evidence. It does not mean the fact is not so.

The problem with some conspiracy theorists is that they take it way too far. One even tried to say that the planes hitting the towers were actually holographic images meant to deceive.

If you say that some cabal in government and military may have known and abetted the attacks, I tend to agree with your view. I had known about the attacks in detail for years. It is not possible that our government and its allies with all their extraordinary intelligence gathering capabilities did not know. If I could get the information, so did they. But if you say that what millions of people saw very clearly with their own eyes did not happen---Well...You are defeating your own cause. Find the missing jet you say did not impact the pentagon. Find the missing people. There sure were a lot of funerals and missing people for something not to have happened.

What happened to the people on the aircrafts. Where did they disappear to?

[outsider]

[TonyGosling]

One in seven believe U.S. government staged the 9/11 attacks in conspiracy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2031325/One-seven-believe-Amer ican-Government-staged-9-11-attacks-conspiracy.html
The belief is more common among younger people, with a quarter of 16 to 24-year-olds subscribing to the theory
By Alanah Eriksen - Last updated at 4:53 PM on 29th August 2011
One in seven people are convinced that the U.S. government was involved in a conspiracy to stage the September 11 attacks which killed nearly 3,000 people.
A survey, which interviewed 1,000 people in the UK and the same number in the U.S., found that 14 per cent of Britons 15 per cent of Americans think the past administration was involved in the tragedy.
They were asked: 'It is generally accepted that these attacks were carried out by Al Qaeda. However some people have suggested there was a wider conspiracy that included the American government. Do you, yourself, believe that there was a wider conspiracy, or not?'...