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John White · Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject:

Sarcasms in the ear of the hearer CTS...maybe its easier for you to catagorise my post as sarcastic than to look deeper into what Im saying to you

Im sorry to break this to you, but the opinions of one man (Greg Palast in this case) dont define the scope of the truth movement even though it would be alot easier if they did, Im sure

He's saying he found no evidance of Bush having prior knowledge

So?

Doesnt mean much does it? An abscense of something doesnt prove its non-existance...and so what if Bush didnt know?

Doesnt mean 911 isnt an inside Job: becuase thats still so much more realistic than "Osama Bin Buisness Partner" did it

You seem to see yourself as some kind of heroic crusader whose sacred mission is to "out debate" the "conspiracy theorists"

Fine if thats your bag

Some of us work rather differently though...perhaps becuase our journeys have led us to the point where we know that debating somebody to get them to think for themselves is an oxymoron

Still, you are forming an interesting test subject: one who is rather less certain than when he started posting here

I reccomend you look to progress by making more use of your empathy

Put yourself in Greg Palasts position: you should be able to think of at least three different reasons for his statement without too much trouble

Im also not going to bother putting to you the large sections of the article you have ignored the implications of in order to wave your comfort zone life line in front of us...such actions are very predictable to anyone with reasonable experiance of dissolving social hypnotism

Still be a good chap and use your empathy on those too

You may find Greg Palast is not who you think he is

kbo234 · Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject:

John White · Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject:

Well I see the possibilities there...

But my instinct says otherwise, its too easy to get into the "oh he's just here to disrupt things" mindset: which only confirms adverse assumptions to boot

As someone who runs a forum myself, if CTS was really being a c**t I'd wang him out with no compunction

But the questions he raises are worth considering (least we get too sure of ourselves) and no-one is forcing us to reply to him or post on his threads

Me, I see a pattern of occilating doubt/acceptance that we need to understand...and trying to dismiss the whole movement on the basis of one sentance in one journalists article shows how straw clutching CTS has really become....

Just how I see it

catfish · Validated Poster Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 430

I agree John, if anything posting on CTS's thread's has led me to do much research I wouldn't have done otherwise, even if CTS is paid to post I have still found them to be a useful learning aid.

If nothing else it gives me more evidence to convince others. In my experience however most people when shown a 9/11 film seem to act like they knew it all along whereas CTS is the opposite, a very interesting case.

However I really do think 9/11 is not the issue anymore see another thread here which deals with why CTS is just here to keep us of the scent!

TimmyG · Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject:

why so much debate about what Greg Palasts said?

ConspiracyTheorySceptic · Moderate Poster Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 144

TimmyG wrote:

John White · Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject:

TimmyG · Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject:

i see. so Greg Palasts is god is he? and can see everything that happens?

If Greg Palasts said "hello public. I am Greg Palasts. And I can confirm that 9/11 was the work of the US government", you'd believe it would you? Without question?

I too am for commonsense. I would like someone to convince me that i'm mad and all the inside job evidence is purely co-incidental, that 9/11 was the sole work of terrorists from afganistan. I really would. I would feel a bit better about the world we live in and my life would be much simpler.

most of your argument, CTS, seems to be directed at how 'we' think and how are minds work. As opposed to the actual evidence.
Try and explain the $100,000 wired to mohammed atta via general mamoud ahmed. Try and explain how the towers collapsed at freefall. Give us an explanation for Able Danger and why they had info on the 'terrorists' pre9/11 which was isolated. Why did Larry Silverstein say 'pull it'? Why are people like Charlie Sheen being silenced and falsely (and randomly) being accused of being murdering perverts? How did a passport fall of the plane unscathed before it hit the tower? Why didn't NORAD respond in time? Why was the steel from the towers shipped to China so quickly? Why did ex CIA director Buzzy Krongards firm decide to place an unusually high no. of put options on boeing and aa stock in the days before 9/11?

do i need to go on?

Are these all just co-incidences?

-----MYTHS
i've read that 911 myths site before. I find most of it quite strange. i'm happy to accept the possiblity that the pre 9/11 trading was part of a unconnected trading stategy, but i find this very unusual and unlikely.

Other points the 911 myths site makes are ones like how normal it would be for an 'unidentified 30 year old male in a suit' to find a passport of one of the hijackers on the ground near WTC2 (just before it collapsed) and hand it to a police officer. This strikes me a very unlikely coincidence.

The section about WTC7 and silversteins comment sees it as normal use of the phrase to describe a group of firefighters as 'it'. It refers to interviews with firefighters which appeared after a lot of people starting asking questions about the 'pull it' comment, and clearly in specific response to this I would say. It also says the firefighters knew WTC7 would come down before it did. Which I also find suprising as NIST still can't make their mind up on how it happened.

ConspiracyTheorySceptic · Moderate Poster Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 144

TimmyG

I can't argue with you because you don't want to learn. I've given the debunking sites, and they deal with with the CT arguments one by one, point by point. They are there for you to read and study. But one can take a horse to water but one can't make it drink.

CTs will never convince the vast majority of people of their arguments because they have been refuted on various debunking sites and because they do not make sense, they do not stand up to scrutiny.

CTS

TimmyG · Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject:

i've just done a big edit on my post just before you posted then.

again you are talking about our mindset being warped in some way. and not the evidence

MMC · Minor Poster Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 44

ConspiracyTheorySceptic · Moderate Poster Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 144

I quoted Greg Palast simply because he is one of your friends and appears on this site's Home page and because, unusually among CTs, he has the sense to see that there is no evidence for the US Government being involved in, or planning for, or assisting in any way, or permitting the 9/11 atrocities to take place.

CTS

scubadiver · Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject:

ConspiracyTheorySceptic · Moderate Poster Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 144

scubadriver wrote:

xxThe_Dice_manxx · Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:08 am Post subject:

Greetings

I would just like to point out that CTS is a conspiracy "theory" sceptic,Well I think he might find he's in the wrong place because 911 was an inside job its no theory of a conspiracy it is a conspiracy!

Having said that I dont know why you waste your time with him as he's clearly insane.

ian neal · Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:06 am Post subject:

brian · Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:18 am Post subject:

"meaning, of course, the US Government"

CTs, when Col Bowman says Cheney is complicit in 911 do you think he means all of the US govt or should we take the specific as intended?

My point - we do not need any more obfuscation. We can read and make our own minds up what is being said. If you dont mind.

It is possible Palast is avoiding the issue by saying there is no evidence for Bush having foreknowledge of the attack details. Whatever the case his statement you quote in NO WAY absolves others in the US govt.

But then you know that.

physicist · Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:58 am Post subject:

TimmyG · Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject:

i think CTS has given up

blackcat · Validated Poster Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 2376

ConspiracyTheorySceptic · Moderate Poster Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 144

Ian Neal wrote:Greg Palast may well have done that, yet he went on to say that "I don't want any misunderstanding here, so I must emphasize what we did not find: We uncovered no information, none whatsoever, that George W. Bush [meaning, of course, the US Government] had any advance knowledge of the plan to attack the World Trade Center on 9/11, nor, heaven forbid, any involvement in the attack.

CTS

If Greg Palast said the above he is pitifully misinformed

http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html

GEFBASS · Moderate Poster Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 107

So to coin a phrase I`ve read before,

I have just `skimmed` the article but while skimming and using the 6 degrees of separation method I found something that (and I emphasise) may or not be interesting.

(well I don`t get out much..)

ECHELON just a word or maybe a deeper significance,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

( Well that is what us conspiracy theorist do isn`t it )?

article at this link.

http://www.taroscopes.com/astro-theology/astrotheology.html#Aks%20Stra nge%20Followers

feel free to skim everyone.

It`s a good read even if it has no significant contribution to finding the TRUTH.

it`s a long read but illuminating.

Geoff.

P.S. A lot of the people I speak to, (not preach to), actually hear the bombs going off before the towers fall and say things like `Well we didn`t notice that at the time`.

This lie cannot last much longer, or we ALL pay the price of ignorance.

kbo234 · Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject:

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