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| TonyGosling wrote: | Thus Spake and Google
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| acrobat74 wrote: | | TonyGosling wrote: | He didn't just not believe in God.
He believed that great men are gods. |
Sources and references please?
| Quote: | | He was certainly a pagan as the Nazis were - check out the beliefs and practices of Heinrich Himmler if you're in any doubt about that. |
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Tony you're spinning total nonsense here.
And allow me to say that your argumentation ('thus spake and google') strikes me as lacking and has adolescent undertones.
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Hi Acrobat,
firstly,apologies for being slightly testy on the other thread.
Interesting use of 'Seize The Day' which can have two interpretations.
(i)to use of one's time and efforts to help
improve one's environment through knowledge,and understanding thereby raising awareness of all things for everyone.
(ii) a recipe for 'do what you will',don't think about the future,eat drink and be merry cos your gonna die anyway.
As for Nietzsche,I don't know first hand I haven't studied anything of his yet,so merely going by your signature,does that not echo point (ii) above?
Slightly related:
Calvin Klein ?egocentric? cultural speel:
ETERNITY FOR MEN symbolizes the spirit of today's man: sensitive yet masculine, refined yet strong. "He's a romantic dedicated to basic values - family, work, health, and happiness. A man at ease with himself, in his relationships and with his world"
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Frank, no worries, and thanks for reminding me to correct my 'seize' typo above.
I see eternal recurrence as follows: think of each single moment as if it is to be repeated. Forever. And you are the audience.
Would you still be using it the way you do?
In essence, it's a simple 'focus on the moment' message.
There is no tomorrow, there is just this moment.
This helps with stress too I've noticed 
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| acrobat74 wrote: |
Erm, more like eternal recurrence?
In my mind, this is a 'seize the day' type message that stresses the importance of every single moment, of focusing on the here and now, which I find really inspiring. |
Dear acrobat 74 I believe in God and that all is know about me in every detail by Him. Do you acrobat74 believe in God or more correctly the one and only Guardian Of Divinity ? (A title, not His name)
PS: I do hope you are well, and having a restful and good day (Sabbath)
Peace be upon you. |
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| acrobat74 wrote: |
I see eternal recurrence as follows: think of each single moment as if it is to be repeated. Forever. And you are the audience.
Would you still be using it the way you do?
In essence, it's a simple 'focus on the moment' message.
There is no tomorrow, there is just this moment.
This helps with stress too I've noticed |
Acrobat,I'm not the one using the 'sieze the day' meme you are
We see people everyday filling their lives with experiences.They are so busy running around "seizing the day",they care nothing for the plight
of others merely their own life experience.Is this not they way modern life has been promoted by the culture creators?
That said, could you recommend a good book on the Nietzsche philosophy,so I may come to a better understanding of where you're coming from?
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| Andrew. wrote: | | Dear acrobat 74 I believe in God and that all is know about me in every detail by Him. |
Sorry not following, do you mind rephrasing please?
| Quote: | | Do you acrobat74 believe in God or more correctly the one and only Guardian Of Divinity ? (A title, not His name) |
Why do you want to know?
May I remind you this thread is about whether Nietzsche does or does not have anything to do with Nazism.
It's not about theology, and it most definitely is not about my theology.
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| Frank Freedom wrote: | | acrobat74 wrote: |
I see eternal recurrence as follows: think of each single moment as if it is to be repeated. Forever. And you are the audience.
Would you still be using it the way you do?
In essence, it's a simple 'focus on the moment' message.
There is no tomorrow, there is just this moment.
This helps with stress too I've noticed |
We see people everyday filling their lives with experiences.They are so busy running around "seizing the day",they care nothing for the plight
of others merely their own life experience.Is this not they way modern life has been promoted by the culture creators? |
Well one would need a moral compass as well, this is not about maximizing pleasure.
| Quote: | | That said, could you recommend a good book on the Nietzsche philosophy,so I may come to a better understanding of where you're coming from? |
Before delving into the originals, I'd start off with something like this by Irvin Yalom:
http://www.amazon.com/When-Nietzsche-Wept-Novel-Obsession/dp/006097550 4
| N. Tsafos wrote: | In the process of the story, Irvin Yalom presents Nietzsche's philosophy in a portrayal that is candid and captures the complicated mystique of the brilliant philosopher.
And, Dr. Yalom's story-telling is so lucid that one can fully comprehend the logic of Nietzsche's philosophy. In the end, "When Nietzsche Wept" is a window into Nietzsche's innermost thoughts and psyche. |
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Well would you believe the same paperback that's going on Amazon US for around 40 dollars new,is up on Amazon UK for over 50 quid 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Nietzsche-Wept-Novel-Obsession/dp/0060975 504/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270914404&sr=1-2
..not only that,on the ELAN library system this item is available,but you can't reserve this book online,you have to visit your local library for the possibility of reserving this item?
Never had that before,anyway enquiries are being made.
Call me paranoid but:
I get the distinct impression this book is possibly being censored from the masses by way of affordability, and availability.
Funny thing is, I'm even more curious to read this book now acrobat:wink:
(edited dollar figure,previous figure said new but was in fact used)
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| acrobat74 wrote: | | Andrew. wrote: | | Dear acrobat 74 I believe in God and that all is know about me in every detail by Him. |
Sorry not following, do you mind rephrasing please?
| Quote: | | Do you acrobat74 believe in God or more correctly the one and only Guardian Of Divinity ? (A title, not His name) |
Why do you want to know?
May I remind you this thread is about whether Nietzsche does or does not have anything to do with Nazism.
It's not about theology, and it most definitely is not about my theology. |
All is clear, thank-you. |
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| Frank Freedom wrote: | ..not only that,on the ELAN library system this item is available,but you can't reserve this book online,you have to visit your local library for the possibility of reserving this item?
Never had that before,anyway enquiries are being made. |
Well they know who's borrowing what anyway.
| Quote: | | I get the distinct impression this book is possibly being censored from the masses by way of affordability, and availability. |
Erm, hardly, here's a copy for £6:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Nietzsche-Wept-Obsession-Perennial/dp/006 0748125/ref=sr_1_1/280-2399017-5750309?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1270978845& sr=1-1
| Quote: | | Funny thing is, I'm even more curious to read this book now acrobat:wink: |
Good, Yalom's well worth a read. Not only does he write brilliantly, but he also imparts a lot of knowledge and he's very compassionate with his subjects.
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http://www.galilean-library.org/site/index.php?/topic/614-nietzsche/pa ge__hl__nazi%20and%20nietsche__st__50
| davidm wrote: | Actually, although they managed to take power more or less by democratic means, Hitler and his crew exemplified mobocracy.
It was from their example that the phrase "the banality of evil" was coined.
What was so striking about the Nazis was their incredible banality. Everything that was non-Overman in the Nietzschean sense, they were.
A deliberate attempt by the Nazis and some collaborating scholars to confuse Nietzsche's terminology of higher and lower, slave mentality etc., with the cockamamie racialist theories of the Nazis has led to this apparently persistent confusion that Nietzsche was somehow a prophet of Hitler.
This would surprise him very much, I'm sure, if we could slap Nietzsche awake and relate to him the events of the last hundred years. |
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Forgot to look at the new edition price  .I was refering to the previous *print new,so ordered a used copy (£4.91 free post)
anyway as the library tell me there's none available from our library authority.They'll try the possibility of loaning from another authority.
It's healthy to be curious,it's why most of us ended up "here" surely 
Of course you're correct,privacy is taken as a oddball idea lately,only I don't give a s***
*call me old fashioned, but I prefer the cover art
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| acrobat74 wrote: | | Quote: | | It's healthy to be curious,it's why most of us ended up "here" surely |
Oh absolutely. And also 'because of our affinity for disobedience'. |
Moi?
Nah acrobat,I merely dislike being "labelled" depite protest,and told what to,and who believe.You would think this a default position of a truther would you not?
Besides,if Nietzsche can help me personally why not?
The established truth movement certainly haven't assisted in this regard,quite the opposite unfortunately.
(barring a few individuals who know who they are)
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I don't define myself as non-compliant,or naturally disobedient for the sake of being awkward?
Agreeing when convinced is me.
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| acrobat74 wrote: | The affinity to non-compliance is a symptom, not an end in itself.
It stems from being ill at ease with a morbid society with misplaced priorities. |
Ok I'm convinced.I am be inclined to disobedience,aka non-compliance due to my frustration with this manufactured modern lifestyle 
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Yes,due to a misunderstanding of where AH was coming from in his lecture in Berkeley California in ?61? I thought a while back he was advocating the BNW scenario for the future to control the masses, and reacted accordingly.Yet another error on my part driven by irrational anger.
I still haven't got around to BNW yet,and apparently it's quite an amusing read in places.
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| Quote: | You have committed one of the greatest stupidities — for yourself and for me! Your association with an anti-Semitic chief expresses a foreignness to my whole way of life which fills me again and again with ire or melancholy. ... It is a matter of honor with me to be absolutely clean and unequivocal in relation to anti-Semitism, namely, opposed to it, as I am in my writings. I have recently been persecuted with letters and Anti-Semitic Correspondence Sheets. My disgust with this party (which would like the benefit of my name only too well!) is as pronounced as possible, but the relation to Förster, as well as the aftereffects of my former publisher, the anti-Semitic Schmeitzner, always brings the adherents of this disagreeable party back to the idea that I must belong to them after all. ... It arouses mistrust against my character, as if publicly I condemned something which I have favored secretly — and that I am unable to do anything against it, that the name of Zarathustra is used in every Anti-Semitic Correspondence Sheet, has almost made me sick several times.
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Objecting to his sister Elisabeth, about her marriage to the anti-semite Bernhard Förster, in a Christmas letter (1887) in Friedrich Nietzsche's Collected Letters, Vol. V, #479
| Quote: | | I have somehow something like "influence" ... In the Anti-Semitic Correspondence ... my name is mentioned in almost every issue. Zarathustra ... has charmed the anti-Semites; there is a special anti-Semitic interpretation of it that made me laugh very much. |
As quoted in "Idea of Anti-Semitism Filled Nietzsche With Ire and Melancholy" in The New York Times (19 December 1987)
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