Forecasters say the future is wet and summer was in April
By DAVID DERBYSHIRE - More by this author ยป Last updated at 09:06am on 2nd July 2007
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Rt Rev Graham Dow: believes the extreme weather is the direct consequence of mankind's lack of respect 'for each other'
The floods which claimed seven lives and deluged thousands of homes are the result of "moral degradation", senior Church of England bishops have said.
The warning comes as forecasters have predicted that the rest of the summer is also likely to be a wash-out - with just one day that will live up to the scorching summers of recent years.
While stressing that those affected were innocent victims, they claimed the devastation was the consequence of the West's decision to ignore Biblical teaching, with an "arrogant" world "reaping what we have sown".
Although scientists say it is impossible to blame a single weather incident on global warming, the church leaders said the floods were almost certainly the result of man-made climate change.
The Rt Rev Graham Dow, the Bishop of Carlisle, whose district suffered horrendous flooding two years ago, believes the extreme weather is the direct consequence of mankind's lack of respect "for each other, for the planet and for God".
He said: "This is a strong and definite judgment because the world has been arrogant in going its own way.
"We are reaping the consequences of our moral degradation, as well as environmental damage."
The Bishop of Liverpool, the Rt Rev James Jones, said people no longer saw floods as an "act of God".
"However, we are now reaping what we have sown," he told the Sunday Telegraph.
"If we live in a profligate way then there are going to be consequences."
Last week's floods affected 27,000 homes. Despite heavy showers over the weekend, the feared return of the floods failed to materialise.
Rt Rev Graham Dow said the recent floods were the result of 'moral degradation'
Across Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and the Midlands river levels were falling.
However, there are still four severe flood warnings still in place, all covering the swollen River Don in Yorkshire.
A national flood centre was set up over the weekend in Worcestershire, following complaints that last week's emergency response was chaotic.
Yesterday the Met Office confirmed that June was on course to be the wettest since records began 93 years ago.
Today, most of Britain will have sunshine and showers which could be heavy with thundery storms, particularly in the North.
Tomorrow, southern England and Wales will have persistent rain with showers elsewhere which will ease off a little on Wednesday.
The wet weather has heightened concerns over the building of homes on flood plains.
Developers and local councils will face "stern action" if they try to build on such areas, the head of the Environment Agency said yesterday.
Baroness Young pledged to use tough powers created last year which allow the agency to call in the Secretary of State to overrule any planning decision that ignores its advice on flood risk.
Forecasters have warned that the rest of the summer is also likely to be a wash-out - with just one day that will live up to the scorching summers of recent years.
They said the sun will shine on Sunday July 15 but the wet weather that has ruined May and June will continue until the end of August.
Piers Corbyn, founder of long-range forecasting firm WeatherAction, said: "You can forget about summer, the forecast is terrible.
"It's hard to find a day where it won't rain somewhere. The best chance for a dry day is July 15 so plan your picnic for then.
"There will be some improvements in August but really we will not have a summer this year." The Met Office is blaming cooler sea temperatures in the Pacific Ocean prompted by the El Nino weather system for bringing a depression over the country.
Met Office forecaster Adam Scaife said: "If our forecast is correct then unusually cloudy windy conditions may continue this summer."
And weatherman John Kettley, founder of the British Weather Service, added: "The Great British Summer was those glorious few weeks back in April."
At the risk of sounding like a cantankerous old fart, I frankly cannot believe in this day and age that these deluded buffoons persist in coming out with this baseless drivel. Our purported "spiritual" leaders in organised religion have been claiming all manner of plagues, pestilence and disaster were proof of God's ire for centuries. It is clealry a huge pile of stinking BS to anyone with a working braincell. Isn't it time these fools grew up and moved on from their bizarre, naive and self-justifying conceptions of the world FFS?!
Rant over...
... and breathe... _________________ "Nothing can trouble you but your own imagination." ~ Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 179 Location: Manchester
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject:
silly ruddy Bishop. If he cared to look at his Bible, he will see that much of the mindset that is causing havok, destroying communities and , all other species, and Nature, stems from the gullible belief of people like him through the ages of it being written down that it is the word of 'God'. It aint. Its the word of MAN. of an elite brotherhood.
So see what they do. Being ignore-ant of their part in this spin they blame people who dont believe in it...!
What IS happening with the weather, etc is that this mindset, and this includes the Abrahamic beliefs in general, and Luciferian belief which is like a reaction to the former belief, and secual humanism, is that all this belief structure is male supremacist and anti-Nature, and combined/in conflict has created such an imbalance in Nature that we will get all kinds of ...imbalance. Also there are natural changes going on to.
But the Bish is a fkin hypocrite _________________ keep asking questions!
Maybe the Bishop has got caught up in the media hysteria.
The excessive rains were probably caused by the excessive spraying of Barium Oxide that was reported widely.
Dont forget, all the witness reports say the heaviest rains were localised in the South Yorkshire area. Europe has been having a heatwave with people dying because it is so hot and dry.
To me this could well be Haliburton manipulated weather.
Certainly not God's will to flood areas which do not usually get flooded. _________________
It was delusional christian cult members like him, who not so long ago use to announce a bolt of lightening as, gods wrath/anger, does he and fellow cultists still believe it to be the case? and when did he have his little talk with god to spew this revelation?
the bible is not gods word, it was written and created by man, therefore its mans word.
Darwin tended to write about species being engaged in a competitive Struggle for Existence. This struggle being seen, by Darwin, as primarily a struggle for food to support growth
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In the struggle for survival, the fittest win out at the expense of their rivals
Ok so the American Pit Bull one of the most dangerous dogs on earth when confronted with animals which by any stretch are his/her food instead chooses to nuture them. It contradicts and refutes Darwin.
Where are the half human half monkeys?
Where are the fossils pf half human half moneys?
Where are the fish coming out of the sea and walking?
Where are the fossils of the fish coming out of the sea and walking?
Still darwin had his students and followers.
Adolf Hitler
Pol Pot
Stalin
Mao
Russian communists who followed in the footsteps of Marx and Engels, such as Plekhanov, Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin, all agreed with Darwin's theory of evolution. Plekhanov, who is considered as the founder of Russian communism, regarded marxism as 'Darwinism in its application to social science'.
Trotsky said, 'Darwin's discovery is the highest triumph of the dialectic in the whole field of organic matter.'
'Darwinist education' had a major role in the formation of communist cadres. For instance, historians note the fact that Stalin was religious in his youth, but became an atheist because of Darwin's books.
Mao, who established communist rule in China and killed millions of people, openly stated that 'Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution.'
A strong Darwinist influence can be seen in Nazi ideologues. When one examines this theory, which was given shape by Adolf Hitler and Alfred Rosenberg, one comes across such concepts as 'natural selection', 'selected mating', and 'the struggle for survival between the races', which are repeated dozens of time in The Origin of Species. When calling his book Mein Kampf (My Struggle), Hitler was inspired by the Darwinist struggle for survival and the principle that victory went to the fittest. He particularly talks about the struggle between the races:
'History would culminate in a new millennial empire of unparalleled splendor, based on a new racial hierarchy ordained by nature herself.'
In the 1933 Nuremberg party rally, Hitler proclaimed that "a higher race subjects to itself a lower raceโฆ a right which we see in nature and which can be regarded as the sole conceivable right."
That the Nazis were influenced by Darwinism is a fact that many historians accept. The historian Hickman describes Darwinism's influence on Hitler as follows:
Hitler was a firm believer and preacher of evolution. Whatever the deeper, profound, complexities of his psychosis, it is certain that [the concept of struggle was important because his book, Mein Kampf, clearly set forth a number of evolutionary ideas, particularly those emphasizing struggle, survival of the fittest and the extermination of the weak to produce a better society.
So all you Darwinists, you share the beliefs of Hitler, Stalin, Trotsky, Pol Pot and Mao. _________________
One more in a long list of instances where, its not often you are right, and suprise suprise, you are wrong again.
because i am waiting along with billions of others for one shred of evidence for your 'gods' existence, you erroniously ASSUME i believe in Darwin.
Despite numerous past posts of mine ridiculing Darwins conspiracy theory of evoloution, man evolved from monkies/apes etc, why do you guess i believe in the crackpot darwins conspiracy theory of evoloution.
By stupidly and ignorantly lumping people into your little boxes, to massage your little egotistical games, you increase your comical value by the day.
One dosant belive in 'god' so you believe in Darwin, so you are the same as Hitler, Pol Pot etc.
You are doing what your mythical god, is alleged to say in his fairy story book written by man (the bible) tells you not to do. Do not judge, leave all judgement unto him. If you are truly a believer in these little myths, why arent you practicing what you preach? oh too busy spreading your little, jesus loves you mantras and doctrines i see.
Welcome to Stelios' world of logic, if you dont believe in 'god' you are the same as Hitler,
And the good british islanders living in the malvinas are indiginous peoples.
With logic like yours, the truth movement can only go from strength to strength with your participation.
I can see you now in your little fundamentalist christian church, clutching your little mythical stories of god book, the bible, belting out your beloved favourite peace hymm, ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS MARCHING OFF TO WAR, WITH THEIR LITTLE CROSSES OF JESUS.....blah blah blah.
Keep those little gems of you dont believe in god so you are a supporter and follower of hitler coming, they are priceless and we all enjoy a good laugh. ROTFFLMFAO.
And the good british islanders living in the malvinas are indiginous peoples
im surprised you bring this up.
Long Tooth you are guilty of supporting a dictator who murdered 30,000 people who was tried by his own countryman and you thought this monster was a better custodian for the indeginous people than the good people of the United Kingdom.
I thnk the UK truth movement would be better off without people like you who support fascist dictators.
We are a campaign for freedom, jutice and truth.
Not fascist murderous dictators or their supporters. _________________
And the good british islanders living in the malvinas are indiginous peoples
im surprised you bring this up.
Long Tooth you are guilty of supporting a dictator who murdered 30,000 people who was tried by his own countryman and you thought this monster was a better custodian for the indeginous people than the good people of the United Kingdom.
I thnk the UK truth movement would be better off without people like you who support fascist dictators.
We are a campaign for freedom, jutice and truth.
Not fascist murderous dictators or their supporters.
C'mon stelois, you are a confirmed believer and supporter of an almighty being, far more potent than some monkey who has dabbled in doing away with a few thousand punters. Your geezer has slaughtered men, women and children by the globe full, drowning them just because they apparently did things it wasn't comfortable with. It supposedly knows everything, so actively supported so-called 'Holy Wars' and 'Crusades' in its name by advertising Christianity.
Your religion has killed countless human beings, yet you still openly condone it.
Your geezer has slaughtered men, women and children by the globe full, drowning them just because they apparently did things it wasn't comfortable with.
Hello, i was wondering when you were going to pop up again.
My geezer?
Who is my geezer?
I am not a supporter of Blair or Bush and neither of them believes in God. They are Luciferians. Babylonians. Freemasons.
So who is my geezer?
Walnuts will help. So does selenium.
No i forgot you dont need any help you do enough practice on your own. _________________
It's been unusually dry in Turkey this year and some people died in a recent hot spell. Maybe the clouds have been sprinkled with terminator seeds? Sort of to go along with the 777 meme and add yet more weirdness into the air already reeking with the stench of false flag gas bombers..
And the good british islanders living in the malvinas are indiginous peoples
im surprised you bring this up.
Long Tooth you are guilty of supporting a dictator who murdered 30,000 people who was tried by his own countryman and you thought this monster was a better custodian for the indeginous people than the good people of the United Kingdom.
I thnk the UK truth movement would be better off without people like you who support fascist dictators.
We are a campaign for freedom, jutice and truth.
Not fascist murderous dictators or their supporters.
hahaha, classical, comical stelios.
you equate, my argentina has more right to claim the malvinas than some colonial expansionist butchering christian regime, to supporting a dictator.
you still believe the british expats living in the malvinas are indiginous. just keep em coming old chap, truly hilarious.
you have me down as a non believer when it comes to the man in white robes in sandels is a god, so you label me a hitler and pol pot supporter, and argentinian dicator sympathiser, thats the trouble with you religious extremists and fundementalists, you are all stark raving bonkers.
with logic like yours this board dosant need trolls or shills, you are doing the job for them, well done.
No reply to your little book of religious myths mantra and doctrines i see, not much peace and understanding for a christian again i notice, hardly suprising. Look in that little book of myths you call the bible, JUDGE YE NOT, LEAVE ALL JUDGEMENT UNTO HIM. that means you comical, you should be judging nobody, leave all the judgeing to your make believe god, whats cannot you understand about that? just another little mantra to ignore eh?, well at least thats a start for you, just need to ignore the whole book of religious myths now and you have cracked it.
Its a good job you do not include murderous christian dictators and their supporters in your little agenda of fingering.
How many people have the christian leaders butchered in land grabs, mineral grabs precious material grabs down the centuries.
Still, i wouldant want to see you banned from the forum, spewing your christian hatred, towards anyone who dosant swallow the man in white robes, sandals and beard christian myths, when your little myths book tells you to spread love and understanding. You are doing an A1 job, keep it up old chap. talk about talking skata.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject:
silly bishops, didn't they read Genesis where God promises he won't use floods to harm people any more. Must have had a day off with the tsunami then!? errrr maybe!
It's been unusually dry in Turkey this year and some people died in a recent hot spell.
well, they have been spraying the UK with Barium Oxide. Heavy rainfall in the UK mean droughts in the rest of Europe.
The Balkans have been 40 centigrade and dry this year. Yet in the UK we still got our wooly mittens on.
Haliburton which runs Aldermaston is managing out weather now, localised floods in South Yorkshire. Check out all the Chemtrails sites heavy spraying of chemtrails in the UK. _________________
you have me down as a non believer when it comes to the man in white robes in sandels is a god
with logic like yours this board dosant need trolls or shills, you are doing the job for them, well done
What man in white sandals?
Please if you want to debate make your point so anyone who speaks English can understand.
So you believe in Trolls and Shills yet you are calling me a nutter.
What is a troll - an elderly gay man who visits rent boys.
Maybe you are a Troll yourself so you know the legend to be true.
I dont have a clue what a shill is but i'm sure it is equally unsavoury.
You are a self confessed supporter of a murdering fascist dictator. So in my books you represent everything i am against. Nobody gives a hoot that your are an athiest. But in your narrow mind and long tooth you fail to join up the dots. Your support for a facist dicator who murdered 30,000 people stems from your athiest beliefs. If you were around in the 1940s you would have been one the the few Brits who supported and admired Hitler as well.
I bet my life on it.
Face the music you are the problem in todays world.
As the fact that castrated supports you reinforces the catergory you fall into. Maybe Nosferatu was indeed your correct nickname. _________________
you have me down as a non believer when it comes to the man in white robes in sandels is a god
with logic like yours this board dosant need trolls or shills, you are doing the job for them, well done
What man in white sandals?
Please if you want to debate make your point so anyone who speaks English can understand.
So you believe in Trolls and Shills yet you are calling me a nutter.
What is a troll - an elderly gay man who visits rent boys.
Maybe you are a Troll yourself so you know the legend to be true.
I dont have a clue what a shill is but i'm sure it is equally unsavoury.
You are a self confessed supporter of a murdering fascist dictator. So in my books you represent everything i am against. Nobody gives a hoot that your are an athiest. But in your narrow mind and long tooth you fail to join up the dots. Your support for a facist dicator who murdered 30,000 people stems from your athiest beliefs. If you were around in the 1940s you would have been one the the few Brits who supported and admired Hitler as well.
I bet my life on it.
Face the music you are the problem in todays world.
As the fact that castrated supports you reinforces the catergory you fall into. Maybe Nosferatu was indeed your correct nickname.
Stelios,
Your inability to read posts seems to be the reason you have been getting confused.
you ask the question ''what man in white sandals'' when in fact it says, man in white robes in sandels. Are you dyslexic?
I lost many family members in the second world war, to label me a nazi is very offensive. May i ask when your family came to the Uk and did they actually participate in fighting on the UK funded rothschilds side, or on the German rothschilds funded side.
when you reach your imagined heaven, with angels fiddling the harps on the clouds, waiting for your judgement day, will your cult christian god regale you with, why are you judging anyone, i said do not judge, leave all judgement unto me? ( it says that in the bible, so if you believe in such pigsh*t thats surely christian sacrilage, if you are a true christian cultist (i think thats the correct spelling cult ist?) wont that see you burn in hell?
I look forward to you twisting, distorting and ignoring the question again comical stelios, keep it coming.
PS where were your relatives during the rothschilds funding of both sides in the second world war? drawing up plans to give the northern side of cyprus up?
ok correct me for not copying and pasting
What man in white robes in sandels?
It makes even less sense now but can you elaborate
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I lost many family members in the second world war, to label me a nazi is very offensive.
You are a supporter of a facist, murdering dictator who killed British soldiers and citizens. General Galtieri.
So yes you are a traitor and a facist supporter.
But Nazi?
As i said had you been around in the Hitler era yes you probably would have supported him too as you did Galtieri. Only your conscience knows the answer to that.
But if you are not a traitor, then your support for Galtieri shows a lack of moral judgement.
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you equate, my argentina has more right to claim the malvinas than some colonial expansionist butchering christian regime, to supporting a dictator.
General Galtieri was indeed a colonial expansionist butchering christian regime as you state so why support him?
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you still believe the british expats living in the malvinas are indiginous. just keep em coming old chap, truly hilarious.
I find this statement offensive as i am sure does every other reader. Lives were lost. People died. And you make it into some kind of sick joke.
The rents came to Britain in the early 1960's. And actually one of my uncles was indeed an officer in the British army. But that has nothing to do with me. I oppose war. I consider war a waste of human lives and immoral. The only thing i condone is defence. The Falklands was a defence as was World War 2.
However, world war one was NOT a just war. Neither are any of the wars being waged today. You see i believe man has the right to defend himself, his family, his land, his home. but he has no right to go and steal someone elses.
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PS where were your relatives during the rothschilds funding of both sides in the second world war? drawing up plans to give the northern side of cyprus up?
Cyprus was only invaded because the Harold Wilson government and Henry Kissinger made it happen. The Greeks and Turks lived happily together for hundreds of years. Until the 1970s. During the cold war Greece and Turkey both at times had military dictatorships very much like the Argentine one that you are so fond of. The CIA and Britain engineered these. But please dont distract usfrom the main topic.
The only way to end this argument is for you to admit that you were wrong to support the Argentine military dictator. You see to err is human. And God will forgive you your misjudgement.
Or if you continue to find justification, then all what i have said about you still stands.
But a person who has lost an argument should not tell lies.
I NEVER called you a NAZI.
I said if you did not understand me that if you were around in the HITLER era you would have PROBABLY been a sympathiser or even a fifth columnist. But we only have your modern day track record as antecedants.
Which is support for a murderous dictator who killed British troops and citizens. If the cap is too uncomforatble take it off _________________
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 179 Location: Manchester
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:05 am Post subject:
stelios wrote:
rodin wrote:
It's been unusually dry in Turkey this year and some people died in a recent hot spell.
well, they have been spraying the UK with Barium Oxide. Heavy rainfall in the UK mean droughts in the rest of Europe.
The Balkans have been 40 centigrade and dry this year. Yet in the UK we still got our wooly mittens on.
Haliburton which runs Aldermaston is managing out weather now, localised floods in South Yorkshire. Check out all the Chemtrails sites heavy spraying of chemtrails in the UK.
can you give us any links to back up what you say?
Here in northwest UK it is SO bad. rain, then heavier rain, and then a little respite, and then more rain, then heavier rain, then even heavier rain. This depressing *'s been going on for weeks, and before that it was grey clouds with only fleeting sun
And in other places theres been massive flooding and deaths _________________ keep asking questions!
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