Peter Oborne - Britain's Israel lobby

[TonyGosling]

Dispatches: Inside Britain's Israel Lobby

Monday 16 November
8:00pm - 9:00pm
Channel 4

Documentary investigating one of the most powerful political lobbies in Britain, a group which is working in support of the interests of the State of Israel. Despite wielding great influence amongst the highest realms of British politics and media, little is known about the individuals which collectively are known as the pro-Israel lobby. Political commentator Peter Oborne sets out to establish who they are, how they are funded and how much influence they have.

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[acrobat74]

The Guardian's on this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/nov/16/pro-israel-lobby-conser vatives-channel4-dispatches

[Frank Freedom]

[blackbear]

One may find the comments of interest on this Zionazi site.

Comments on Channel 4 Dispatches program

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/11/16/comment-on-channel-4-dispatches -program/

Strange bedfellows...I believe that Paul Stott, Chris C and even Peter Tatchell post on it.

[TonyGosling]

Yes, makes for fascinating reading.
Not a lot of awareness of the UN Charter ... nor of fully tooled up military murdering civilians on there.
Rather like Cameron's failure to mention Gaza at his after dinner speech.
Are they mentally ill or just racist?

[Barker]

Monday night's[16 Nov] Channel Four 'Dispatches' programme about Britain's Israel lobby is well worth watching.
It is available for the next four weeks on:
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/4od

It is clear that Massive political funding comes from this source.

It transpires that a Finnish national called P. Zebludovitz, ex-arms dealer and property magnate, funds BICOM, an Israeli lobby group which bombards British media and politicians with pro Israeli argument.

Mr Zebludoviz has built at least one large shopping mall illegally in the West Bank area.

[blackbear]

Britain must de-Zionise Itself Immediately by Gilad Atzmon

On Monday the British TV broadcaster, Channel 4 screened Inside Britain’s Israel Lobby, a devastating expose of the Jewish lobby in the UK*. ‘We couldn’t find a conspiracy’ affirmed Peter Oborne the Daily Mail’s political commentator behind the film. He was right. After running the show for so many years, the Jewish lobby’s purchasing of British politicians and media presence is in the open.

The Guardian reported today that two years ago a controversial study by American academics Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer explored the influence of the Israel lobby over US foreign policy “but Britain's pro-Israel organisations have been subjected to far too less scrutiny.” This is indeed the case, and as Oborne disclosed, both British politicians and Zionist pressure groups enjoy it to the max.

In the film Sir Richard Dalton, a former ambassador to Libya and Iran, said: "I don't believe, and I don't think anybody else believes these contributions come with no strings attached." I would suggest that ‘strings attached’ is a very gentle way of putting it. ‘Chained to submission’ would be far closer to the truth.

Seemingly a British, consensus case against Zionism and Zionist infiltration is piling up.

The Jewish community is not happy at all. After so many years of setting the tone, bribing UK politicians and controlling the BBC they are used to being untouchable.

Labor MP Denis MacShane, who operates as the House of Common’s UK equivalent of the ‘anti defamation league’ told the Jerusalem Post "if there is a Jewish /Israel lobby here, it is not very effective, as Israel is almost treated as a pariah state in the media and has few friends in politics."

MacShane may be right; one cannot buy friendship with money. But according to Monday’s broadcast one can certainly buy British politician’s subservience for just a few shekels. According to the Guardian 50% of the Shadow Cabinet are now ‘friends of Israel’. In that context one common saying comes to mind. “Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are”

I would assume that if there was any public respect left for the British Parliament, British political parties and the BBC, it should be gone by now. Just a few months ago Brits were devastated to find out about their MPs' personal expenses bills. Yesterday they learned about their leading politician’s affiliation with the darkest possible regime and ideology around. They also learned that their national broadcast corporation is influenced by Zionists pressure groups run from Jerusalem.

Mark Gardner from the Zionist ‘Community Security Trust’ is not happy either. He complained that Dispatches producers behaved as if they were investigating a “criminal gang rather than various Jewish community-linked organizations,"

Gardner is also correct. It is indeed tragic to admit that the Jewish lobby is far more worrying than a criminal gang. It is there to serve a murderous state with a devastating record of crimes against humanity. Thanks to the Jewish lobby, we are all complicit in the Zionist crime. Not only are those lobbyists heavily corrupted and removed from any ethical value system, they also corrupt everything they touch. They obviously contaminate every politician who is happy to take their shekels. Consequently they incriminate us all as a society.

Watching Cannel 4’s Dispatches yesterday I wondered to myself whether this is the ‘democracy’ some British politicians, such as David Miliband insist on spreading around. I also wonder whether this is the governing model that Jewish Chronicle writer Nick Cohen and the Israeli Hasbara committee author David Aaronovitch were trying to promote when they were supporting the invasion of Iraq back in 2003.

Political commentator Peter Oborne indeed fulfilled his promise. He told us almost everything we want to know about the lobby, “who they are, how they are funded, how they work and what influence they have, from the key groups to the wealthy individuals who help bankroll the lobbying.”

However, there is a single observation that must be added. People out there must never forget that Britain was taken into a war that cost more than a million Iraqi lives and at the time Lord Levy was the Number 1 Labour fund-raiser. Putting the two together: an illegal war that only serves Israeli interests and Sir Richard Dalton’s observation that Zionist ‘contribution’ comes with ‘strings attached’, leaves a very bitter taste. Due to its heavily corrupted politicians, Britain is now willingly serving the darkest possible racist national ideology and supporting a criminal terrorist state.

British politicians and media are caught in bed with too many Zionist wolfs. In order to reclaim sovereignty and dignity, Britain must de-Zionise itself immediately.

*In Britain at least the TV program can be seen here:

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/britain-must-de-zionise-itself-immedia tely-by-gilad-atzmon.html

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/4od#3010424

[TonyGosling]

There are rumours from pro Palestine human rights campaigner David Halpin that no MP can ever become a Cabinet Minister unless they are a member of one of the 2 main party based Israel lobby groups.
You can be a junior minister but not actually sit at the cabinet table.
Only a rumour though.

[blackbear]

Chutzpah of a Zionazi.!

Jonathan Boyd

Apparently, according to Channel 4's Dispatches programme on Monday night, there are some wealthy Jews out there bent on influencing British government policy on Israel. What a shocking finding. I wonder what they will uncover next? Lobbyists trying to influence government health policy, perhaps? Pressure groups seeking to change government policy on the war in Iraq? Business leaders trying to alter government thinking on economic policy?

Aside from the shoddy research and the barely concealed antisemitic undertones (the idea of a shady, morally repugnant "cabal" of Jews seeking to control the world is a classic antisemitic myth), it was this lack of context that was most disturbing about the programme. As David Cesarani argued in his comment on the programme, there are numerous lobbying groups working with government and the media, trying to influence policy and opinion on a wide range of issues. Some of these even try to represent the Palestinian cause.

There are also numerous Jewish leaders and philanthropists who support and invest in Palestinian Israeli causes, including the single largest pro-Israel charity in the UK and – according to the Jewish Chronicle – the single most influential philanthropist in the British Jewish community. Jewish leaders differ on how best to support Israel, and the opinions range from unquestioning support to intense criticism. But Channel 4 failed to include such contextual framing in its hour-long documentary, presumably because that might have undermined its highly spurious argument.

But then, context is always the problem. There was no effort throughout the programme to contextualise Operation Cast Lead in Gaza. There was no mention of the Israeli government's withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, and the fact that, subsequently, Hamas had used the territory to launch countless randomly targeted missile attacks on Israeli towns and villages. In its analysis of the 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah, it failed to mention the thousands of missiles Hezbollah had assembled with Iranian and Syrian support on Israel's northern border, which it used with great effect to terrorise the Israeli population.

Perhaps most important, it failed to mention in any detail why some Jewish leaders may feel compelled to support Israel. Leaving aside the politics of the region, the notion that Israel is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people, or that Israel is the only nation state in the world in which Judaism is mainstream, Jewish culture is the norm and the Hebrew language is widely spoken and celebrated, were all ignored.

But it is, apparently, much easier to trot out the old antisemitic myth. After all, the public deserves to know what these nasty, rich Jews are up to. And what could possibly be wrong in uncovering the truth? There cannot conceivably be a connection between the way Israel and Jews are presented in the media and antisemitism on the streets of Britain.

Or so Alan Rusbridger would have us believe. In the documentary, he maintained that he found it "difficult to believe" that any journalistic coverage of events in Israel could result in acts of violence against Jews on the streets of Britain.

Well, allow me to present myself as exhibit A. In April 2002, at the height of the Palestinian intifada, media reports began circulating that a massacre had been committed by the Israel Defence Force in Jenin, in the West Bank. Rumours circulated that hundreds of Palestinians had been killed. The BBC suggested 150. Saeb Erekat, interviewed on CNN, claimed 500. Yasser Abed Rabbo intimated 900. The overarching impression was that the IDF had committed a horrific atrocity.

On the following Saturday, I was walking to synagogue, wearing my kippah (skull cap) in the north London suburb of Finchley. On the way, I was punched in the face by a young man. It was an entirely unprovoked assault. We were simply crossing paths when he delivered a sudden, forceful, right hook. Taken aback, my first response was to ask why he had done it. "That's what happens to Jews," he responded, "when they behave like that."

That is the only time in my life that I have been a victim of an antisemitic assault. It is possible, I suppose, that it had nothing to do with the events in Jenin, but I find that very difficult to believe. My attacker saw me as a legitimate target directly linked to the so-called "massacre".

In the final analysis, it was established that no such massacre took place in Jenin. The United Nations report into the fighting concluded that, in fact, 52 Palestinians were killed, at least half of whom were militants; 23 Israeli soldiers were also killed. Of course, any loss of life – on either side of the conflict – is tragic, and serious mistakes have been made by both Palestinian and Israeli leaders over the years.

But the way in which the conflict is reported and analysed has a direct bearing on levels of antisemitism. And, thanks to Channel 4 and Dispatches, I wouldn't be surprised to see those levels rise yet again.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/18/dispatches-israeli -lobby-antisemitism

Comments:

So in essence you can't actually contradict a single word of the Dispatches programme, so you resort to the default position (since you don't like it) that it is therefore by definition anti-semitic?

If all else fails, libel your critics. It's easier than acknowledging that maybe they have a point.

Its all true. How does pointing it out make one anti-semitic?

The Israel lobby in the US is well known. Its far too powerful for our own good. Even mentioning it exists can get you into trouble.

Anti-semitism" is a gag, not a statement.

What antisemitic myth? I have always read in newspapers etc that there is no pro-Israel Jewish lobby, it has been denied for years, but now it seems there is.

Was the Dispatches programme telling lies? No, it just failed to put it assertions into "context" - so they are antisemitic!!

250 plys comments to go....

[Whitehall_Bin_Men]

Channel 4 Dispatches
Inside Britain's Israel Lobby
http://snardfarker.ning.com/video/i-nside-b-r-i-t-a-i-ns-i-s-1

[TonyGosling]

And here is Gorgeous George making the point how would the British press react if we discovered the arabs were financing David Cameron's office?

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo

[TonyGosling]

Britain's real Jewish lobby
http://www.sjjp.org.uk
http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk
http://www.jfjfp.org
http://www.ijv.org.uk
http://www.jfjhr.org

[TonyGosling]

Chomsky makes some interesting points about examples of weaknesses of the US Israel lobby here.

Date: April 3, 2008 Prof. Noam Chomsky The Middle East (Iraq/Israel/Palestine) in the Context of the Presidential Elections and the so-called "success" of the Surge.
Sponsored by: American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee of Massachusetts. (ADCMA) and the Arab Student Organization at BU

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72R4LpeJff0

part 2/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrFUb-J3XMI

part 3/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIWHN-xc1y8

part 4/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKJxVzzECf8

part 5/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43xpwxgz4BU

[CJ]

17/11/2009

"Dear Mr Oborne,

I enjoyed "Britain`s Israeli Lobby", but was left feeling the glass was half empty. I don`t think the BBC or Guardian are anti Israeli. I can remember reading pre Iraq invasion articles by the Guardian which were so pro blood bath, that I couldn`t finish them.

It is interesting that you mention the BBC. I used to post on the Today message board, but I was censored and for most of the time, pre-moderated. We aren`t taking about BBC moderation, we are talking GCHQ. Eventually the Today forum became totally censored, so i moved to BBC Radio 5 Live, which is really the British Brainwashing Corporation...I was soon banned from all BBC online participation and still am. I had been a long time subscriber to the Newstatesman and started commenting online. I kept my comments to their articles. After a time, my comments started to vanish, so I made the usual enquiries to Ben Davis who was their online editor. He denied censoring me, this went on for a while, but I was still banned, no explination. At no time did I break the BBC`s, or the Newstatesman`s rules.

You are a bit like Micheal Moore, not as loud and showy, but still the same. Moore goes only so far. Its what I call purfect NWO pitch. I am not saying you are aware of this. But you left huge areas untouched...Lord Jacob Rothschild (the worlds most powerful man), his son Nethanial...Queen K, Corfu, Rothschild funding the Israeli state, Rothschild and the oligarchs, Chelsea F.C., helicopter crashes, Mi6 and Litvinenko.lol

It gets deeper and deeper. MI6 wrote the "Niger Yellow Cake" report and the WMD dossier...both works of fiction...who does MI6 really work for? Their basic brief is to protect the British interest, now that would take some defining. So where was MI6 when the City started to fall apart...they take a great interest in the markets, they must take very trusted advice, yet even the deputy of the BoE admitted they knew things were going off the deep end, but they didn`t want to stop the party.

Madoff was a great decoy...where did all that money go...Israel? Maybe you should investigate Mr Miliband.lol The financial crisis was designed and yes, Wall St and the City controls the Jewish lobby here and in Washington. We are enslved by the Zionist NWO.


Carl Jones"

This was a quick reply and could have been more detailed. Oborne`s Israeli Lobby was weak, but it appears to be part of a wider organised attack against Israel and its NWO components...I`d say this was actually a NWO op.

[TonyGosling]

Boorish letter Carl likely to be binned
Good luck though

"Media & Finance"
1974-6 - The Shah of Iran talks about the US Isreal Lobby

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=albtkqfQQnY

[CJ]

Thanks Tony, but its a boorish subject. Oborne sells the illusion that there are people willing and able to seriously question/threaten the Zionist control of Western society. I don`t see it ANYWHERE.

Many years ago I wrote posts and PM`d you, to widen the scope of your Bilderberg site. This site is now neglected and 911forum seems to be your focus. Sure, there are lots of posts ect. But you and others are no further down the road. Just when the political construct is at its weakest, no one poses a serious threat.

I am shocked that a movement which is nearly 10 years old (I was in at the start), has been so ineffective. And yes, in this respect i am a failure to.

How does "Catherine Ashton" go from CND finance to European Foreign Minister and head of European Security policy???? Clearly, "Catherine Margaret Ashton, Baroness Ashton of Upholland" is an MI6 asset and therefore a Rothschild pawn!

I am trying to understand, but you (and most others) missed the big picture....who is writing about MI6`s intelligence failure in respect of the financial collapse??? NO ONE! Certainly not Peter Oborne.

This site is concerned with terrorism, but how big is designed flu viruses and pandemic? Ok, its faded away, but next winter could be big and this will murder way more than any terror attack. They are desperate to save money and killing off the young and old has huge positive budget benefits.

No, I don`t see anything to be positive about. Events have been set in motion and the next 10-15 years look very bad indeed.

[ianrcrane]

It is for exactly the reasons CJ highlights that both Daniel Estulin and Jane Burgermeister will be amongst the speakers at AV4 (Alternative View 4).

Other AV4 Speakers include:

F. William Engdahl
Prof David Bellamy
Johnny Ball
Peter Taylor
Brian Gerrish

AV4 will be held at the Thistle Hotel, London Heathrow over the weekend of 26th/27th/28th March 2010

The AV4 website will go 'Live' on Saturday January 16th ... Full details will be posted on this forum just as soon as the website is launched

Meanwhile, if you wish to take advantage of the AV4 'Earlybird' ticket offer - Click HERE


Ian R Crane

[Moon-in-Taurus]

[quote="TonyGosling"]

[TonyGosling]

UK.gov moves to block Hamas kids site - Incites hatred, says MP
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/14/ellman_hamas/
By Chris Williams • Posted in Government, 14th January 2010 12:57 GMT

The Home Office is considering blocking a childrens' website run by the Palestinian group Hamas following suggestions it incites hatred of Jews.

Liverpool MP Louise Ellman, chair of the Labour Jewish Movement, has called on ministers to block access to al-Fateh.net, a webzine launched by Hamas in 2002. Alongside baking recipes and exam advice, the fortnightly publication features tributes to suicide attackers and encourages "love of jihad".

http://www.Al-Fateh.net

Ellman told The Register: "It's nasty stuff. It incites hatred of Israel and Jews - the government should remove it."

An extract from April 2008, translated by IMPACT-SE, a Jewish education lobby group that has campaigned against al-Fateh.net across Europe, reads: "Jerusalem will remain as a trust in our hands and the hands of all Muslims, and they are to unite and gather for its liberation and the liberation of the land of Palestine from the impurity of the Zionists, the descendents of apes and pigs."

In response to Ellman's parliamentary question on al-Fateh.net, policing minister David Hanson said: "We are currently assessing whether there is sufficient evidence to include the al-Fateh website in the list of material provided on a voluntary basis to filtering companies for inclusion in their parental control software."

Inclusion on the list would mean access to al-Fateh.net would be blocked from many school and college networks - the site's target audience - who filter access to the wider internet through third party software.

There remains nothing the government can do to prevent access where filtering software is not installed. Suggestions by former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith that an ISP-level filtering system similar to the Internet Watch Foundation child pornography blacklist might be created for extremist material appear to have been abandoned.

Referencing the government's main legal weapon against online extremism, Hanson told Ellman: "It would be for the police to decide whether a website reaches the threshold for a notice to be issued under section 3 of the Terrorism Act 2006."

The Terrorism Act grants police powers to force hosting providers to take down extremist material. But according to a traceroute, al-Fateh.net is hosted in Russia, where a section 3 notice would have no power or effect.

Indeed, the powers have had no effect at all since coming into effect. Late last year the security minister Lord West said no notices had been issued because police had persuaded UK hosting firms to take material down voluntarily. He admitted that no records were kept of what was censored.

Tim Stevens, an expert on internet radicalisation at King's College London, said Ellman's call showed how powerless the government is online.

"Unpleasant as this site may be, it is not up to single-interest groups to determine what is and is not illegal," he said.

"Ellman's demand that government just 'remove' this material betrays a lack of understanding of the environment.

"How exactly would the government remove a Palestinian website hosted in Russia so that no-one could access it from the UK? Has Ellman never heard of the internet?"

He said the government should reject the MP's call to blacklist al-Fateh.net in filtering

[Moon-in-Taurus]

Here excerpts of reviews of Yoav Shamir's documentary 'Defamation' this week.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/jan/14/dissenting- new-antisemism-film
Antony Lerman
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 14 January 2010

[TonyGosling]

Analysis: the Zionist lobbys in Britain
Fri, 03 Sep 2010 11:09:37 GMT
http://presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=141064

The investigative journalist Janine Robert rightfully believes that the Israeli lobby in Britain has been more successful than its counterparts in the United States.

She argues that in the US, the voting patterns of most of the 14 Jewish Senators in the Senate and 30 Jewish Congressmen and Congresswomen in the House of Representatives appear to be Pro-Israeli, while in the UK, where we have a Jewish community 20 times smaller, there appears to be 18 Pro-Israeli MPs in the House of Commons and 41 Pro-Israeli Lords in the House of Lords. This is the highest Pro-Israeli representation in the West.

She also believes that this achievement is due in part to Tony Blair's patronage. One of Blair's first acts on becoming an MP in 1983 was to join Labour Friends of Israel. But the major change only occurred after he became Prime Minister.

But what exactly is a Pro-Israeli lobby group?

The term Israel lobby in the United Kingdom (also known as the Zionist lobby) is a term used to describe the coalition of groups and individuals who attempt to influence British foreign policy to support Israel and its strategies.

Many decisions made in both Houses of Parliament are made as a direct result of lobbying at the hands of parliamentary colleagues, constituents or even outside pressure groups, including "private companies known as lobbyists" employed by organisations.

These establishments include non-ethnic political groups in addition to grassroots ethnic organisations whether Christian, secular or Jewish-Britons, all of which have seen increasing growth and influence in recent years.

Without a doubt the pro-Israeli lobby in Britain is increasingly spreading its influence within the politicians, media and even celebrities .


Labour Friends of Israel (LFI)

LFI is a UK Parliament-based lobby group promoting support within the British Labour Party for a strong bilateral relationship between Britain and Israel. It also seeks to strengthen ties between the British and the Israeli Labour party.

The lobby was founded in October 1957 at a public rally at the Labour Party Conference; it has since developed into one of the largest special interest groups in the Labour Party, drawing wide support from Members of Parliament and Government Ministers.

According to their manifesto, Labour Friends of Israel supports a two-state solution with Israel recognised and secure within its borders and the establishment of a viable Palestinian state. They have been described as "less unquestioning in its support of the Israeli government than the other parties' Zionist lobbies". Between 2001 and 2009 they sponsored more than 60 MPs to visit occupied Palestine.

They have strongly and powerfully lobbied for the UK and EU to cut off financial aid to the Gaza Strip as long as the elected Hamas government is in power. Many of those who are aware of this blame LFI as they share responsibility with Israel for the current atrocious and miserable living conditions in the Gaza Strip.

So who are the prominent figures of the group? One of the most influential figures involved is no other than the former PM Tony Blair, shortly after, Gordon Brown followed in his footsteps. The group's chair is Andrew Gwynne, while other members include the former Home Secretaries David Blunkett and John Reid, former Minister of Europe Chris Bryant, former Secretary of State for Trade and Industry Stephen Byers and other high ranking labour politicians.


Conservative friends of Israel (CFI)

According to the lobby's website, it is one of fastest growing lobbies in The United Kingdom currently chaired by Stuart Polak, who in 2009, was named the 61st most-influential right-winger in the United Kingdom. Moreover, reliable statistics show that around 80% of Conservative MPs are members of the CFI.

The group was founded by Conservative MP Michael Fidler and its members include the current British Prime Minister David Cameron, who expressed his pride at being a member of CFI and his admiration for the lobby's key role within the Conservative party.

Other figures include Defence Secretary Liam Fox, who describes Israel's enemies as Britain's enemies tying the Zionist atrocities to British national interests, Foreign Secretary William Hague, who joined CFI at the age of just 15, the Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne, the Home Secretary Theresa May and Secretary of State for Justice Kennett Clarke.

The existence of so many cabinet ministers has raised concern among political activists and observers who are worried about the influence of a foreign government lobby in the heart of the British political establishment.

Perhaps such worry is in place given the CFI sponsors 6 delegations to Israel each year and maintains constant contact with the Israeli embassy in London.

Liberal Friends of Israel

The Liberal Democrats have in place a parliamentary 'Friends of Israel Group'. In fact it was the liberal democrats who first gave life to primary 'Friends of Israel' group to be born in the British Parliament operating room. The group's website seems stridently Pro-Israel, much more than the websites of the Labour or Conservative groups respectively.

Despite the party's left approach to political issues this lobby has a quite hawkish stance over the Zionist regime . The lobby states its prime objective is "to influence the Party's Middle East policy so it places a high priority on Israel's right to security".

It also attempts to strip statements such as 'Israel "occupies" the West Bank' and 'the Jews created the refugee problem by expelling the Palestinians' reducing them to nothing other than "Myths"

There seems to be other pro-Israeli lobbies within the United Kingdom influencing our ancient democratic political system and lobbying our politicians.

These are lobbying groups such as British Christian Friends of Israel, Northern Ireland Friends of Israel, Scottish Friends of Israel and many more. In its long and distinguished history, Great Britain has never been under the influence of a foreign government lobby group as it currently is. These groups have formed marital relationships with policy makers while simultaneously attempting to stifle criticism of Israel in the press and media regardless of whether or not such criticism is based on our national interests as a sovereign nation.

Whether we like it or not, Israel is a liability for Britain and is not the strategic asset that the Pro-Israeli lobby has long claimed it was.

For example, Israel's atrocities in the Middle East and Africa are doing serious damage to UK's interests in the region. At the height of the matter, British political figures have attempted to exempt Israeli officials from the British Law on their visits to the UK. Against the needs of British Citizens, British politicians are for supporting the Israeli regime and appear ready to change the national laws for the sake of those charged with the crimes against humanity.

[TonyGosling]

How Zionism infiltrated the US
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/163828.html

......Bruzonsky: Once the Israelis got the PA (Abbas was the man who actually signed the document) at the White House. Once that got them to sign this agreement and become their collaborating regime without having to agree to stop the settlements. That's symbolic. If the Israelis weren't going to stop enlarging the occupation, how could we possibly consider this a major step on the way to a peace settlement? So it was the symbolism of it. Not the actual settlement here or there. The Israelis never intended to stop the settlements.

Rabin in my judgment never attended for what he was signing to end up being a Palestinian state. For them it was autonomy we packaged under different names and they were hiring Arafat and his people to control the Palestinian people. That of course is the origin of the growth of Hamas because many non-religious people and many who had been supporters of Fatah and of more secular things decided we are going to support Hamas. At least they are honest and dignified. At least they have principals and are not corrupt. And Fatah has sold us out. That's the origins of how in 2006 Hamas was elected.

[David Rose]

[moved from http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=155311#155311 - ed.]


Tony Gosling,

Using terms like "Zionist BBC" only ensures that mainstream opinion will dismiss the people on this site as "crazy conspiracy theorists" and racists.

Its also childish and pathetic.

I suggest you remove the term "Zionist BBC" from the above post. It adds nothing, it only detracts and undermines the campaign to re-investigate 9/11.

David Rose

[TonyGosling]

Hi Dave,
Since you seem to want to exchange private messages on the front of the forum lets make things clear.
You can not accuse me or anyone else of using the term 'Zionist' as racist abuse.
Zionism is a belief that various people of different ethnic and religious groupings can come together, cal themselves Jews whether they are or not, and take over a piece of land at the Eastern fringe of the Mediterranean sea because the God of the Old Testament gave it to them.
Anyone can have that belief and millions who call themselves Jews in Israel are not Jews.
Some elements of Zionism are in themselves racist, particularly its present far right Israeli overnment form.
The BBC is heavily influenced, some would say infiltrated, at the highest levels by Zionists. This is a fact well known to anyone who has worked there. I have myself served under Zionist producers and editors. It is also one of the main reasons the BBC news is so biased in favour of Israel when reporting world events. A case in point is the present inconvenient story of the muderous death, religious hatred, torture of prisoners of concience and real racism being dished out by the Bahraini prince who is a 'friend' of Israel.
Anyone who chucks around the term 'racist' without first providing clear evidence for their claim (except with regard to Nick Griffin and his ilk) will be considered a shill.

[TonyGosling]

Ed Balls unveils plans for UK-Israel 'economic dialogue'
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/69525/ed-balls-unveils-plans-uk-isra el-economic-dialogue
By Martin Bright, July 5, 2012
Speaking at the Labour Friends of Israel annual lunch on Tuesday, Mr Balls announced the launch of a UK-Israel economic dialogue.
An incoming Labour government will learn from the Israeli hi-tech success story and consolidate the UK-Israel trade relationship, according to Shadow Chancellor Ed Balls.
Speaking at the Labour Friends of Israel annual lunch on Tuesday, Mr Balls announced the launch of a UK-Israel economic dialogue. This will enable the UK to learn from Israel in the area of the modern digital economy, venture capital, research and development and universities.
Mr Balls said: “I want to dig deeper into the nature of our bilateral relationship and also understand how Israel has succeeded so impressively in building a modern digital economy."
Israel’s economy grew by 4.7 per cent last year while the UK drifted back into recession. Despite the boycott movement, the UK is Israel's second biggest export market after the US and more than 250 Israeli companies are based in Britain. Mr Balls insisted that the strong links between business and the Israeli state were a model for Britain to follow.
The dialogue initiative is backed by LFI and long-standing Labour supporter, Sir Trevor Chinn. It also has the backing of Israeli ambassador Daniel Taub and his British opposite number Matthew Gould. Senior shadow cabinet members, including Work and Pensions spokesman Liam Byrne and shadow business secretary Chuka Umunna will be working on the project. A delegation to Israel is planned for the autumn.
Ed Miliband’s leadership has seen a shift in Labour policy on Israel, with the party last year backing the Palestinian bid for recognition of statehood at the United Nations.
Mr Balls used the LFI lunch to reiterate Labour's support for Israel, warned of the threat posed by Iran and urged vigilance with the election of a Muslim Brotherhood president in Egypt. “It is important that we say loud and clear — we understand that Israel feels threatened, but Israel is not isolated, you are not alone.”
The shadow chancellor also distanced himself from those within the Labour Party and the trade union movement campaigning for a boycott of Israel.
“We will resist those in our country who — through words and boycotts — seek to isolate Israel and who, in so doing, set back prospects for peace and a two state solution.”

[TonyGosling]

Ed Balls shows he is ready to learn from Israel
By Martin Bright, July 5, 2012
http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/analysis/69539/ed-balls-shows- he-ready-learn-israel
Ed Balls may have his problems persuading the wider public of his charms, but he has always been a popular figure in the Jewish community.
He is a consistent supporter of Israel who spent considerable time working on the economic situation in the occupied territories on behalf of the G8.
He is also a man who is unafraid to try his hand at some basic Hebrew when addressing Jewish audiences, as he did in Trafalgar Square at the celebrations for Israel’s 60th anniversary in 2008. He was at it again on Tuesday at the Labour Friends of Israel annual lunch, when he began his address, appropriately enough, with the word haverim.
Words are important — and politicians believe they know the right things to say on such occasions. They celebrate the contribution made by the Jewish community to the UK economy; they tell us much we can learn from its approach to education, to philanthropy, to entrepreneurialism. They commit themselves to ensuring that the community is safe from antisemitic attack.
And by recognising the umbilical connection between diaspora Jews and Israel, they express their support for Israel and their commitment to a two-state solution.
Ed Balls stuck to the protocol, but he went further. Addressing those within his own party and the wider labour movement who would boycott Israel, he said he saw it as his role to strengthen economic, trade union, intellectual and cultural ties.
He also recognised the UK has much to learn from Israel, whose economy grew by 4.7 per cent last year, while we slipped into a double-dip recession.
His announcement of the launch of LFI’s UK-Israel Economic Dialogue was something of a masterstroke.
By recognising that important lessons can be drawn from Israel’s high-tech success story, Mr Balls is showing that Labour intends to be taken seriously in this area, something reinforced by the fact that policy big-gun Liam Byrne is leading the work on it.
The visit to Israel by Mr Balls and Shadow Business Secretary Chuka Umunna will provide a chance to do some real research on the ground.
Mr Balls and Mr Umunna will be talking to the Labour Party leader Shelly Yachimovich, but they should also visit Erel Margolit, the high-tech entrepreneur who is a rising star of Labour and who understands how to harness the creative industries to drive the economy.
There is another lesson to be taken from the Israeli example. As Start-Up Nation, the bestseller about Israeli high-tech, explained, much of the success can be attributed to its connections to the military. When young Israelis leave the army, their thoughts often turn to starting up a high-tech business.
There is no way we can recreate the Israeli military service model here and nor would it be desirable. But Ed Balls’s announcement of the LFI project just happened to coincide with the launch of Labour’s Veterans Interview Programme to get ex-servicemen and women back to work. Most of these opportunities will be in retail.
But if Labour really wants to learn from Israel, people leaving the army should be setting up their own high-tech start-ups, not working in Greggs.

[TonyGosling]

dispatches - inside Britain's Israel Lobby

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E70BwA7xgU

[TonyGosling]

British PM appoints most committed Zionist as trade minister

Press TV, 25 June 2013
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/25/310773/zionism/

British Prime Minister David Cameron has appointed the most outspoken supporter of Zionist regime of Israel as trade and investment minister, local media reported.

Ian Livingston, 48, who heads telecom giant BT (formerly British Telecom) as chief executive, will take up the new job in December. He has called the Israeli entity as “the most amazing state in the world.”

He is replacing Lord Green, an ordained priest in the Church of England who is approaching retirement.

It is reported that Cameron personally handpicked Livingston for the trade minister job, saying that Livingston “will bring huge talent to a vital national effort.”

The Prime Minister once moaned that the UK’s Conservative Party should be called the Torah party rather than the Tory party because there are so many Israeli Jews at the top of it.

Other top Zionist figures in the Conservative party include co-chairs Lord Feldman and Grant Shapps MP, who has defined himself as “quite observant,” senior treasurer Howard Leigh, a member of the Jewish Leadership Council; and former party treasurers Richard Harrington MP and Lord Fink, another member of the JLC.

Livingston, himself, is a well-known supporter of Israeli regime, saying recently that he hoped to see the start of “a path to peace for Israel”.

During his time at BT Livingston dismissed calls by charity War on Want for the company to disassociate itself from the Israel telecom company Bezeq, according to reports.

Livingston was born in Glasgow in 1964.