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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:55 am    Post subject: Olympic symbols: surnames, chessboards, capacitors, lodges Reply with quote

Some more info re 'Ben Fellows', including info on a 'Hazeldean' Masonic Lodge:

http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/blog/entries/show/17077734-the-man -with-three-names-lee-hazeldean

-Hazeldean Masonic Lodge - 21 Young Rd. (off Hazeldean Road, not far from the Timmy's on Edgewater)

"Built in 1914, the Hazeldean Masonic Lodge has served local Masons and their visitors for almost a century. The functional storey-and-a-half timber-frame building is one of the few remaining heritage structures in Kanata that pre-date the modern urban community. Inside the building is a high ceiling and balcony. Heritage photos show the first use of the Lodge in 1914 and Lodge officers throughout the years. Masonic furnishings include the Master’s and Wardens’ chairs and columns, altar with Bible, and other pieces used in Masonic ritual. Members of the Lodge will answer questions and discuss Masonic history and traditions."

(outsider) Another strange thing:

'Back at the opening of the Dome there was a serious concern there was a bomb planted within the structure. The opening ceremony was almost called off as then Prime Minister Tony Blair and the Queen would be officiating. Subsequently several executives were arrested and charged with fraud. The allegations included international money laundering. If a crime syndicate controlled the site, it is no stretch that it included arms merchants or terrorists. The Greenwich murders involved a case near the site and the arms dealer. Were they parties to the plot eliminated from the equation and forgotten with time?

“They said the bomb was in the southbound lane of the Blackwall tunnel, under the dome.”

The funny thing is in his film 'I was Jonathan Pitt,' Ben drives through a long tunnel. Want to bet it is the long Blackwell tunnel he takes to Mom's house?

(outsider) Well, the video clip on the 'man with three names' has been removed.But part 1 (stopping short of the 'Blackwall Tunnel' bit), can still be found here:
'I was Jonathan Pitt' Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzmK8AfU6Ig

But lo and behold, parts 2 (which would house the 'Blackwall Tunnel' episode((unless edited out)) to 9 have all been removed.

Anybody got access to them?
It seems to me, 'Ben' must have removed them.
If so, why?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Part quote (see post up thread)
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Anybody got access to them?
It seems to me, 'Ben' must have removed them.
If so, why?


Tony, Ian Crane, Ben Fellows are giving an exposure called The perfect storm

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=21415


(I know you most probably know about this event outsider)


I do hope they get this point across too, as its omittance has done enough already to drag Tony through the mud by some and kindly said by others that he should have thought twice or more about it by others.

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Which is not to say there should be no security, but how far would you have to go with it to stop the possibility of anyone committing an act of terrorism. It's just like the David Rockefeller meme explained by Aaron Russo, a Bogie man that can't be defined? So it carries on and on thus taking more and more liberties away.

Will it soon be at every football stadium, shopping centre, supermarket. Then to just go out the front door, ID cards and/or even ID chips.




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24:15 mins (tunnel)

"I WAS JONATHAN PITT FULL LENGTH MOVIE"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOaKMgiyhmw&feature=channel&list=UL
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How did Ben take on the name 'Lee Hazeldean'?
Well, Hazeldean, we have seen, is a Masonic Lodge in Kanata, British Colombia (though I can't find out why he should choose this name).

And 'Lee'?
Here is Rik Clay, with some research into the Olympic site and surroundings, with Ley Lines, River Lee/Lea/and even Ley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Qie3_iFJA

And some pics:
http://river-lea.co.uk/

Did he choose the name, or was it suggested to him?
I'll ask him, when I get the opportunity.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is a Surname too.

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http://www.192.com/atoz/people/surnames/hazeldean/50/

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http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Hazeldean

This interesting surname is of Anglo-Saxon origin, and is a locational name from any of the various places that get their name from the Olde English pre 7th Century "haesel", hazel (tree), and "denu", valley; hence, "valley of the hazel trees". Examples of these places include: Hesleden in Durham, recorded as "Heseldene" in 1050; Haslingden in Lancashire, recorded as "Heselingedon" in the 1241 Close Rolls; and Hazleton in Gloucestershire, recorded as "Hasedene" in the Domesday Book of 1086. Locational surnames were developed when former inhabitants of a place moved to another area, usually to seek work, and were best identified by the name of their birthplace. In some instances also the surname may be a topographical name for a "dweller in a hazel-valley". Reginald de Haselden is noted in the 1275 Hundred Rolls of Wiltshire. In the modern idiom the surname has over twenty-five spelling variations ranging from Hazelden, Hazeldean, Hazzledine and Haseltine, to Hayzeldene and Hesleden. On September 30th 1574, William Haselden married Als Sumner at the Church of Findon, Sussex, and Ann Hazeldean married Nathaniel Turner on October 3rd 1756, at the Church of Withynam, Sussex. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Robert de Heseldene, which was dated 1242, witness in the "Assize Court Rolls of Durham", during the reign of King Henry 111, known as "The Frenchman", 1216 - 1272. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Hazeldean#ixzz21XcfBQhf


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is a Surname too.

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http://www.192.com/atoz/people/surnames/hazeldean/50/

To search for people in the UK we recommend that you use the search form above, specifying a location if you can.
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Thomas Hazeldean (3) Alexander Hazeldean (3) John Hazeldean (3) James Hazeldean (3) Jean Hazeldean (3)
Kieron Hazeldean (3) Charlotte Hazeldean (3) Graham Hazeldean (2) David Hazeldean (2) Susan Hazeldean (2)
Shaun Hazeldean (2) Richard Hazeldean (2) Reginald Hazeldean (2) Oliver Hazeldean (2) Tina Hazeldean (2)
Joanna Hazeldean (2) Melanie Hazeldean (2) Jenna Hazeldean (1) Jennie Hazeldean (1) Louise Hazeldean (1)
Leonard Hazeldean (1) Marjorie Hazeldean (1) Michelle Hazeldean (1) Arthur Hazeldean (1) Ann Hazeldean (1)
Stuart Hazeldean (1) Stewart Hazeldean (1) Angela Hazeldean (1) Amanda Hazeldean (1) Rose Hazeldean (1)
Rupert Hazeldean (1) Rachel Hazeldean (1) Simon Hazeldean (1) Shirley Hazeldean (1) Zoe Hazeldean (1)
William Hazeldean (1) Peter Hazeldean (1) Daniel Hazeldean (1) Irene Hazeldean (1)


I guessed that, but I couldn't find out why the Lodge was given that name.

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http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64196

History of Parliament Trust

Publication

A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds: Volume 1

Author

H. C. Maxwell Lyte (editor)

Year published

1890

Pages

47-59

'Deeds: A.401 - A.500', A Descriptive Catalogue of Ancient Deeds: Volume 1 (1890), pp. 47-59. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64196 Date accessed: 24 July 2012



A. 418. Grant by John Seele, son of Richard Seele, of Fourneys, to Thomas de Heseldene, of all the lands, &c, in Wakefield, Sandale, and Crigeleston he inherited on the death of Thomas Seele. Wakefield, Friday after the nativity of the Virgin Mary, 50 Edward III. Seal.



"In the modern idiom the surname has over twenty-five spelling variations"

Tax and land to some vested surnames only (against everyone's God given rights) has a long tradition.

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I guessed that, but I couldn't find out why the Lodge was given that name.


I would say it's most likely to do with the above.


This is a UK lodge too.
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http://www.amityrf283.org.uk/Masonic%20Hall%20Deardengate.html

Lodge of Amity and Rossendale Forest
No.283
Province of East Lancashire
Tuesday, 24 July, 112

Both Hazeldene and Starkie were Daughter Lodges of Commerce. This Masonic Hall had a wood panelled Lodge Room with many Masonic features both in the ...
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The Lodges of Amity and Rossendale Forest met at the Masonic Hall, Deardengate, Haslingden, from 1923 until 2007.

In 1923 Amity, Commerce and Rossendale Forest moved into the Haslingden Masonic Hall, Deardengate, Haslingden; Rossendale Forest Lodge No.4138 was the first to hold a Lodge meeting there. Later Hazeldene Lodge No.4681 joined them and Starkie Lodge No.1634 joined them in the late 1980's, after moving from Ramsbottom. Both Hazeldene and Starkie were Daughter Lodges of Commerce.

This Masonic Hall had a wood panelled Lodge Room with many Masonic features both in the Lodge Room and elsewhere in the Hall; such as ornate plaster moulding and panels plus masonic stained glass windows. It was a warm and welcoming building, but became too expensive to run and maintain when Hazeldene closed and Starkie moved to Ashday Lea, Rawtenstall.

The photographs below show some of the features of the Haslingden Masonic Hall on Deardengate.
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http://www.pglel.co.uk/About_Freemasonry_Pages/What_Are.asp
Freemasons are ordinary men in the community, of various religious backgrounds, who share a concern for human values, high moral standards, respect for the laws of society and the rights of others. Their practice of Freemasonry promotes self development, family, charitable and community service and socialisation with likeminded individuals and their families.

“Through its moral teachings and social nature Freemasonry acts as a great sheet anchor bringing stability and purpose to peoples’ lives. We share the fraternal privilege of meeting together as friends and brethren. Our culture and social activities also embrace our wives and partners, families, children and friends. Our charitable activities and ways of being touch the lives of individuals and groups in many parts of our local communities and work places and firmly place Freemasonry, like many other forces for good, as part of the fabric of the society in which we live.”



Well the lower levels are mostly dupes of Idolatry, just like most all other structures of society.

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Rossendale Masonic Hall, Ashday Lea, Haslingden Road , Rawtenstall, Lancs , BB4 6QX
Tel: 01706 214438
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Rossendale Forest Lodge No.4138


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Title: Old Families and Houses in Wakefield
Text: The eldest son, Roger was appointed sub-forester for Wakefield at a Manor Court held on April 17, 1366; in the previous year he and his wife Alice, daughter of John Bunny of Newton, sold to Thomas Ibbetson half an acre of land called Morecroft in Alverthorpe, and shortly afterwards one acre in Newton to John Batelay, and on April 23, 1371 they surrendered into the hands of the lord three roods of land in Newton to John Bunny in exchange for one and a half acres in Alverthorpe. Roger de Haselden must have died shortly before his father, for on October 3, 1391, Alice, widow of Roger, the Forester, took a house opposite the Cross in the market stead of Wakefield at a rent of 2s. 10 1/2d. a year. They had a son, Hugh ...





"It is probable that Thomas de Haselden was what might be termed a banker, for in 1377 Sir John de Foxle"


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ID: I45644
Name: Thomas Lord of HASELDEN Esq. 1
Sex: M
Birth: 1322 in Heslerton, Malton, East Riding, Yorkshire, England
PROP: 16 DEC 1364 Purchased Haselden Hall from Thomas Magson
Occupation: Retainer for life of John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster
Event: Event 1385 Scrope and Grosvenor controversy
Event: Titled Sir
Death: 1391
Name: Thomas HASELDEN
Name: Thomas de HASILDEN 2
Name: Thomas de HESELDENE 2
Name: Thomas (Sir) Lord of HESLERTON
Name: Thomas (Sir) de HESLETON
Death: AFT 1363
PROP: Glynden Morden, Cambridge, England
PROP: Lands in Wakefield
PROP: Purchased (or received through default of loan) the manor of Guildern Morden, Cambridgeshire
PROP: Purchased the manor of Goldington Bury, Bedfordshire
PROP: Purchased the manor of Litlington, Cambridgeshire
PROP: Purchased the manor of Little Chesterford, Essex
PROP: Purchased the manor of Steeple Morden, Cambridgeshire
PROP: 27 NOV 1364 Purchased a tenement with a garden and croft in a street called "le Northgate" from Thomas del Stokkes of Wakefield
PROP: AFT 1365 Acquired the meadow called Erles Ings and two meadows, called Wylbyght and Defford, lying on the bank of the River Calder below the Old Park from Edmund, Duke of York and Earl of Cambridge (then lord of the Manor of Wakefield)
Occupation: Comptroller of the household at Pontefract Castle for John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster
Occupation: Constable of Liverpool Castle
Occupation: Warden of Croxteth Park
Occupation: Warden of the forests of West Derbyshire
Occupation: Bailiff of the Free Court of Wakefield BET 1365 AND 1386
Event: Event 1357 Surrendered a messuage with the mediety of 8 bovates and 20 acres of land in Alverthorpe to Thomas Goldsmith
Event: Event 1377 Loaned 200 pounds to Sir John de Foxle with the Estate of Guildern Morden, Cambridgeshire as collateral (surety)
Event: Event 1377 Loaned 400 pounds to Sir Roger de Meres of Kirketon (Kirton), Lincolnshire and his son, John
Event: Titled Constable of Liverpool Castle
Event: Titled Lord of Haselden Hall
Note:

Essay on Thomas Haselden
West Yorkshire Archive Service
Catalogue ref. C1162

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From 'Old Families and Houses in Wakefield'

Thomas Haselden, Esquire, was born in 1322, according to the age given him in the report of the Scrope and Grosvenor controversy, 1385. He was comptroller of the household at Pontefract Castle for John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster, and his retainer for life; he was also Constable of Liverpool Castle, Warden of Croxteth Park and the forests of West Derbyshire. He also held land in Wakefield, for in 1357 he surrendered a messuage with the mediety of 8 bovates and 20 acres of land in Alverthorpe to Thomas Goldsmith.

Haselden Hall, situated on the east side of Northgate, just within the northern limit of town, as marked by the bar, was conveyed to Thomas de Heseldene on December 16, 1364 by Thomas Magson. Formerly it belonged to one Thomas Peel, adn is described as a burgage in Northgate. A fortnight earlier, November 27, Thomas de Hasilden (as he was then called) acquired a tenement with a garden and croft in a street called "le Northgate" from Thomas, son of Henry del Stokkes of Wakefield. In 1387 he took a strip of land 100 feet long by 5 feet wide at the north end and 6 feet wide at the south end in front of his house in Northgate, so that he might enclose it with a wall.

This Thomas de Haselden was appointed bailiff of the Free Court of Wakefield in 1365, an office which he held until 1386,, Hugh Bailli acting as deputy for him. It was while Thomas de Haselden held this office of bailiff of the Free Court that he acquired from Edmund, Duke of York and Earl of Cambridge, then lord of the Manor of Wakefield, the meadow called Erles Ings, and two meadows lying on the bank of the River Calder below the Old Park called Wylbyght and Defford, and entered upon them without license of the Court. For this offence against the regulations of the manor he was fined 6s. 8d., and then received a pardon from Edward III.

It is probable that Thomas de Haselden was what might be termed a banker, for in 1377 Sir John de Foxle obtained L200 fro him, mortgaging his estate of Guildern Mordern, Cambridgeshire as surety. In the same year, Sir Roger de Meres of Kirketon (Kirton) in Lincolnshire, and John his son, entered into a bond for L400, to be levied on their lands and chattels in default of repayment, which bond was cancelled by repayment of the loan.

Thomas de Haselden acquired the manors of Goldington Bury in Bedfordshire, Little Chesterford in Essex, Litlington, Guildern Morden and Steeple Morden in Cambridgeshire. He died in 1391, leaving three sons, Roger, Thomas, and Richard, and a daughter Joan, married to Richard Bunny of Bunny Hall, Newton.

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Title: Old Families and Houses in Wakefield
Text: The eldest son, Roger was appointed sub-forester for Wakefield at a Manor Court held on April 17, 1366; in the previous year he and his wife Alice, daughter of John Bunny of Newton, sold to Thomas Ibbetson half an acre of land called Morecroft in Alverthorpe, and shortly afterwards one acre in Newton to John Batelay, and on April 23, 1371 they surrendered into the hands of the lord three roods of land in Newton to John Bunny in exchange for one and a half acres in Alverthorpe. Roger de Haselden must have died shortly before his father, for on October 3, 1391, Alice, widow of Roger, the Forester, took a house opposite the Cross in the market stead of Wakefield at a rent of 2s. 10 1/2d. a year. They had a son, Hugh ...


Anyone notice that George Washington was born on the Wakefield Plantation in Virginia?
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Anyone notice that George Washington was born on the Wakefield Plantation in Virginia?


I hadn't Caz, but I do know that the so called founding Fathers of the U.S Constitution were Freemasons (it was a little more respectable back then to catch the people)


Patrick Henry to James Madison:
"I Smell A Rat!"

Well you only have to read it and compare the Laws to that of the U.S Constitution [ so-called crown plantation more like] (although they were better than what has since come to pass via more legislation.)
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Anyone notice that George Washington was born on the Wakefield Plantation in Virginia?


I hadn't Caz, but I do know that the so called founding Fathers of the U.S Constitution were Freemasons (it was a little more respectable back then to catch the people)


Patrick Henry to James Madison:
"I Smell A Rat!"

Well you only have to read it and compare the Laws to that of the U.S Constitution [ so-called crown plantation more like] (although they were better than what has since come to pass via more legislation.)


I do find the capacitors on the chess board a bit disturbing, along with a lot of Paul Fryer's 'art'.

Capacitors on the chess board:



Maybe the Matrix is not so far away.
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Anyone notice that George Washington was born on the Wakefield Plantation in Virginia?


I hadn't Caz, but I do know that the so called founding Fathers of the U.S Constitution were Freemasons (it was a little more respectable back then to catch the people)


Patrick Henry to James Madison:
"I Smell A Rat!"

Well you only have to read it and compare the Laws to that of the U.S Constitution [ so-called crown plantation more like] (although they were better than what has since come to pass via more legislation.)


I do find the capacitors on the chess board a bit disturbing, along with a lot of Paul Fryer's 'art'.

Capacitors on the chess board:



Maybe the Matrix is not so far away.


I believe we are in 'End Times', but I will not be so rash as to speculate exactly how long 'Lucifer's' 'subjects' will be allowed to reign, before Judgement Day (or 'Apocalypse', or 'Armageddon'; c'est la meme chose).

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Irrespective, there is no justification for nonsense to be pumped around the so-called ‘truth movement’, wittingly on the part of some, unwittingly on the part of others.

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Irrespective, there is no justification for nonsense to be pumped around the so-called ‘truth movement’, wittingly on the part of some, unwittingly on the part of others.



True, but what outsider is saying is far more important IMHO

I just received this reminder.

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With or without the Jubilee in November, the Solution WILL be implemented. The world WILL return to Father's Perfect Law of Liberty, either the easy way or the hard way.

The EASY way is for enough people to take action, declare this to be a "Year of Jubilee" and return to The Law, which would cancel all debt and redistribute the land and the wealth equally among the people. Could there be a more merciful answer at this late-hour to a world that is drowning in debt?

The hard way is to do what we seem to be best at: sit around on our fat backsides and do nothing whilst the NWO implements the final phase of their satanic agenda for global domination by killing off 90% of the world's population.

That means for everyone who refuses to take the necessary action to return to The Law Father gave us, there is a 90% or greater chance of having the body killed off followed by at least a 99.99% chance of going into the Fire.

THAT is the reality of the situation we are ALL facing.

There are no more second chances. There have already been thousands upon millions of them. Anyone refusing to take the necessary steps to help reinstate Father's Law NOW and help declare this a "Year of Jubilee" will get EXACTLY what they deserve. God says so (Galatians 6:7).

What is needed NOW is for everyone to do their utmost to spread the word about the Jubilee and make the Jubilee videos go viral.

Please look for new ways to get the word and the http://2012Jubilee.info video link out. We need to redouble our efforts. Ask Father for Guidance; He cannot fail us. And all of us know, or should know, what's at stake. If you didn't before, you do now.

Edmund Burke is quoted as saying "All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

For Christ's Sake--for your own sakes and for everyone you claim to love-- don't let evil triumph.
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Try & stick to the topic folks - and if you're going off down another rabbit-hole Paul please start a new thread in future.
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I'm not so much going down a rabbit-hole, as raising some questions about Ben Fellows, who has given the Truth Movement something they earnestly wish for, a 'whistleblower' on a coming 'likely/possible' event.
It seems to me his story has been accepted without question; it might be said, it has been swallowed hook, line and sinker.
Perhaps if people had a little more info, they would be a bit more circumspect.
For instance:
http://www.rafbf.org/76-1530/round-the-world-for-charity.html
Neither Tony, Ian or Fran seem to have been aware of this side of Ben's life; why did he not tell them?
The RAF still has the respect due to it for defending the UK during WWII; but since then it has degenerated into a powerful tool to attack innocent civilians and patriots in Afghanistan and Iraq (to name just two), under totally false pretenses. In the case of Afghanistan, the sole remaining 'Super-Power' and it's 'Coalition' (including, of course, the UK's RAF) bomb the f**k out of one of the poorest nations on earth, a nation with no defense against air-power except machine-guns and RPG's (which have a very slim chance of even downing a helicopter, never mind a supersonic fighter-bomber.
They have certainly lost my respect.
So shouldn't it be just a little suspicious, that Ben suddenly cooperates with totally anti-Establishment 'Conspiracy Theorists' (or, more correctly, right on the money Truth Campaigners)?
I questioned Ben in the hallway, after he offered for anyone with any questions to ask him while he was getting a drink; I would much rather have questioned him in front of the meeting, but realized I was not likely to be afforded that opportunity (I wasn't; when he returned, and was being asked questions, my hand somehow didn't get noticed till 'one last question', and of course it wasn't mine.
He agreed that the health problems, and round-the-world charity trip were true. Some sponsorship or something had fell through, and it was off (I'm not sure if he said there was a possibility of it being resuscitated; I was only interested in putting questions before I forgot them).
I asked if he was alone when the G4S guy told him about the 200,000 'casket liners'; he told me he wasn't told privately, it was the whole class who were told (so the whole class, except for Ben, remain 'Shtum' about something so pregnant with a doomsday scenario? And the G4S guy could be confident that they wouldn't talk about this down the pub, or with their families?
I also asked him about a video he had put up on u-tube in 2009, which was subsequently removed, apart from an amended 'part 1' (of 9), the rest having been removed. I asked if he had removed them, and he said yes; I asked 'why?' and he replied to the effect that he was putting up a new version (I don't remember his exact words). I told him that only the new 'part 1' were up, and that I had checked a day or two ago. He assured me that the whole video was up.
(I just checked again; they are not up, but have been removed).

'I was Jonathan Pitt': (Part 1):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzmK8AfU6Ig
Notice it stops just short of the contentious 'Blackwall Tunnel' footage referred to in 'Conspiracy Cafe' article.

The info about 'I was Jonathan Pitt' I got from 'Conspiracy Cafe'; I don't know their bona fides, but the info I have been able to check with Ben checks out:
http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/blog/entries/show/17077734-the-man -with-three-names-lee-hazeldean
Back at the opening of the Dome there was a serious concern there was a bomb planted within the structure. The opening ceremony was almost called off as then Prime Minister Tony Blair and the Queen would be officiating. Subsequently several executives were arrested and charged with fraud. The allegations included international money laundering. If a crime syndicate controlled the site, it is no stretch that it included arms merchants or terrorists. The Greenwich murders involved a case near the site and the arms dealer. Were they parties to the plot eliminated from the equation and forgotten with time?

“They said the bomb was in the southbound lane of the Blackwall tunnel, under the dome.”

The funny thing is in his film 'I was Jonathan Pitt,' Ben drives through a long tunnel. Want to bet it is the long Blackwell tunnel he takes to Mom's house?

Then there was a mysterious web of ownership that involved a front man Sir Tom Todhunte an exclusive multi-millionaire from the Isle of Jersey. He had relationships with several members of cabinet. Hundreds of millions of pounds in assets can do that. The Dome was eventually bought by Italian billionaire Signor Lucrio Sospettoso. He owned the British government as well. There is talk already of including the Dome among the venues used in a future British Olympic Games. No *.

There were reports many people were arrested with a cache of weapons and explosive materials. They were ultimately released without charge. This Dome project was a £430 billion boondoggle. It was a massive fraud with many piggies at the trough. Did a covert action team prepare the site for the future? It’s starting to look like it.

And worse one of the world’s top arms merchants fell to his death in London in 2007. Billionaire Ashraf Marwan, the son in law of the Egyptian President, was set to expose the secrets of the Middle East intelligence agencies in a book. The manuscript was missing from his apartment. The Metropolitan Police lost crucial evidence that could have proved murder. It seems there has been no end to the Greenwich murders. Like contagion, it has spread. Like good conspiracy, it is revealed.

Other things that are revealed are that Ben was a protege of Stanley Kubrick the man behind 'A Clockwork Orange.' The classic image from 'A Clockwork Orange' has a one eyed man with the classic English bowler hat.

I do not know if Ben Fellows is telling us the truth, or if he has been tasked with selling us a 'red herring', which we will trumpet to our detriment, our discredit.

I don't know, but sadly, some people are just accepting his statements as gospel, with apparently no reservations.

With regard to Andrew's support, I am grateful, but I cannot support his talk of 'debt relief' and so forth.
Sure, 'twould be a fine thing, but we live in an all too real world.
And 'Old Nick' (whom Jesus on at least three occasions referred to as the 'Lord of this world') calls the shots.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish your criticism was tempered with more praise.
You only seem able to try and take apart the people in front of your nose.
What about the real crooks in the city and media that were not there tonight?
You operate in a creepy way - telling tales anonymously online - you should have raised these points in public.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wish your criticism was tempered with more praise.
You only seem able to try and take apart the people in front of your nose.
What about the real crooks in the city and media that were not there tonight?
You operate in a creepy way - telling tales anonymously online - you should have raised these points in public.


I tried to raise the points in public; my hand was raised, but I was ignored.
I had anticipated that would be the case, which was why I questioned Ben in the hallway. Noel came along while I was asking Ben the questions, and said it would be better if the questions were asked in the hall.I totally agreed, but said I doubted if I would get the opportunity; I was proved right.
As you are aware, I tried to alert people, including yourself, to these questions in emails and 'pm's'.

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I asked Ben about the guy on his proposed 'ground staff' who had a leg blown off in Afghanistan; he didn't know what I was talking about, so I said it was on his website.

Here it is:
http://www.stage32.com/profile/11074/project/all-way-round-ben-fellows

'This is an incredible journey of endurance, flying skills, health and fitness - after all I've only had two heart attacks this year! I will be supported by my ground team which will include, a medic, mechanic, producer, director of photography and camera operator and sound recordist and yes they will have disabilities. Not only am I going to challenge myself but my crew will have an array of disabilities themselves from our ex-RAF service man who had a leg blown off in Afghanistan to our deaf doctor!'

I would find it difficult, even with my poor memory, to forget a guy who was going to be on my back-up ground crew, who had lost a leg in Afghanistan.

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With regard to Andrew's support, I am grateful, but I cannot support his talk of 'debt relief' and so forth.
Sure, 'twould be a fine thing, but we live in an all too real world.
And 'Old Nick' (whom Jesus on at least three occasions referred to as the 'Lord of this world') calls the shots.



As for "Lee Hazeldean" I still like you? Can't be sure of anything he has relieved and it could be said just like so many people, he at least seems to be not very geo politically aware. So perhaps that was the reasons for your questions, to try and determine if that was the case or if it was a pretence on his part.

I still don't know if the point was raised about the security from this perspective.

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Which is not to say there should be no security, but how far would you have to go with it to stop the possibility of anyone committing an act of terrorism. It's just like the David Rockefeller meme explained by Aaron Russo, a Bogie man that can't be defined? So it carries on and on thus taking more and more liberties away.

Will it soon be at every football stadium, shopping centre, supermarket. Then to just go out the front door, ID cards and/or even ID chips.


Also if the security was run really well at that event, counter to Lee Hazeldean's whistle blowing. Do people really think that would stop terrorism there or else where?


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And also its not my talk of "'debt relief' and so forth." Nor does old nick call the shots, and you had said "choose" So choose who and what you follow. And sitting on the fence is " he that is not with Me is against Me"

There are many people who can clearly see the injustices from all walks of life and would support justice, freedom from oppression and so forth. Perhaps they are closer to He than me and you.
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I applaud his whistle blowing (well done) but he is not politically nor spiritually aware.

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THE future of a feature film by an acclaimed Birmingham-bred director is dangling by a thread after the credit crisis forced its US backer to pull out.

Ben Fellows, whose talents have been supported by film legends Stanley Kubrick and Mike Leigh, is desperately searching for an investment angel to fund the final stages of his film The Greenwich Village Massacre.

He said: “We’re so close to completion. We only need to complete sound design and prepare it for screening and festivals.

“Because of the credit crunch we’re stuck and it’s heartbreaking. But we are determined to finish the film.

“I’m just signing with a Hollywood agent and they want to see it so they can start selling it.

“I’ve had two offers from distributors but obviously if I can’t finish it then I can’t give it to them.”

Although the film has been shot and edited it still needs a further £57,000 to complete the sound design, grading and mastering and to enable its makers to take it round the film festivals.

Distributor Lionsgate intends to give it a small cinema release as well as a DVD release when the film is complete.

Mr Fellows said he was “pretty gutted” about losing the funding, but was determined to stay upbeat about the prospects of finding another backer.

“I’m sure there is someone out there who wants to take a punt on us. If we can’t that’s the end of the film.”

The film is based on a true story of a series of murders that occurred in 2001 and stars Tony Mortimer, a founding member of 90s band East 17.

Mr Fellows met the US backer, who he did not want to name, during the release of his first film in New York, a feature documentary called I Was Jonathan Pitt, dealing with his search for his birth mother who put him up for adoption.

The Greenwich Village Massacre was filmed this summer, but in September Mr Fellows received a call from the investor saying he was going to have to pull out owing to the financial crisis.

Mr Fellows grew up with his adopted parents in Birmingham, becoming a child actor and a member of the Royal Shakespeare Company at the age of 11.

He appeared in TV and theatre shows, including Starlight Express, EastEnders, Model Millie and The Bill, while attending the Sylvia Young Theatre School. He also performed at The Birmingham Rep, Alex and Hippodrome on many occasions.

He moved into film-making in his late teens and was mentored by the late Stanley Kubrick and more recently Mike Leigh as well as winning a Channel 4 scholarship to attend film school.

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Kimberley 'could have been saved' - 1984
- Four year old girl who was tortured and killed at the hands of her stepfather, at the Ferrier Estate.
The Glasgow Herald


Prince Michael launches anti-burglary initiative - 1999
- Prince Michael and the 'British Security Industry Association' start a property-marking initiative at the Ferrier Estate, due to its notoriety as a 'burglary blackspot'
The Herald


Father killed to save daughter, jury told - 2000
- Father who shot his son-in-law dead on the Ferrier Estate.
The Herald


Was this ordinary block of flats in south London home to an academy of terror? - 2001
- Mass terror cell / terrorist 'training school' found in the Ferrier Estate
The Independent


14-year-old girl raped - 2003
- 14 year old girl gang-raped in the Ferrier by teenagers.
News Shopper


Man suffers attack while going home - 2003
- Man stabbed in the face at the Ferrier Estate.
News Shopper


Gang jailed after knife attack - 2008
- Six members of the 'Ferrier Boys' gang left a man fighting for his life after a stabbing attack.
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SAKINA SECURITY Services was not the simple purveyor of burglar alarms or bespoke bouncer services that its name might suggest. Instead, its clients were invited to participate in the "ultimate jihad challenge", with the chance to "fire between 2,000 to 3,000 rounds of mixed calibre ammunition" at a "state-of-the-art shooting range in the United States".

Yesterday, as police examined evidence seized in a raid on Sakina's unassuming headquarters on one of Britain's most deprived council estates, near Greenwich in south-east London, it became apparent that the organisation may have been a key part of the global terrorist network uncovered since the attacks on America. …





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Was this ordinary block of flats in south London home to an academy of terror?

Article Abstract:

Investigations undertaken by Scotland Yard's anti-terrorist unit indicate that Sakina Security Services, based in south-east London, England, could have been a key element of the terrorist network associated with the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. Sakina may have operated a command centre for raising money and fighters in a holy battle against the West.
Author: Burrell, Ian, Bennetto, Jason
Publisher: Financial Times Ltd.
Publication Name: The Independent
Subject: Retail industry
ISSN: 0951-9467
Year: 2001
Terrorism, World Trade Center and Pentagon Attacks, 2001

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Burrell, Ian; Bennetto, Jason (3 October 2001). "Was this ordinary block of flats in south London home to an academy of terror?". The Independent.



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George Entwistle: A good chap in the trenches who can command respect

He will find it easier to impose further budgetary restrictions than a DG without strong BBC roots

George Entwistle: Career highs and lows

1989

A graduate of philosophy and politics at Durham University, he joins BBC as a trainee. He then becomes an assistant producer on Panorama, working on coverage of the first Gulf War and the fall of Margaret Thatcher.

2001

Appointed Editor of Newsnight, starting work in his new role the day before 9/11. The programme won awards but was sucked into the Hutton Inquiry over reports on weapons inspector David Kelly.

2004

Launches The Culture Show with Verity Sharp on BBC2. Accused of dumbing down arts coverage but it has run for eight years. He executive produced arts films for BBC4 and was chair of a workgroup as part of Mark Thompson's creative future strategy review.

2005

Head of Current Affairs Takes Panorama back into primetime, with Jeremy Vine as presenter. He also commissions current affairs documentary series for BBC2 including Blair: The Inside Story.

2008

Controller of Knowledge Commissioning producing more than 1,600 hours of television output a year. He expands the BBC's online footprint but is embarrassed by a leaked document ranking BBC presenters and describing Michael Palin and Delia Smith as having "limited appeal".

2011

Director of BBC Vision on salary of £270,000 a year. He oversees shows ranging from the reality show The Voice to the drama Birdsong. Faces criticism over the BBC's coverage of the Diamond Jubilee Pageant, which is described as "mind-numbingly tedious" by BBC presenter Stephen Fry, and "lamentable" by former BBC news executive Kevin Marsh.



Such is his interest in military affairs that the man named yesterday as Director-General of the BBC was once fondly referred to by colleagues as "General Sir George" and his "address" listed in an internal directory as "The Old Barracks".

But the irony of that title is that George Entwistle has long been regarded by long-serving BBC employees as a good chap to have alongside you in the trenches, rather than someone born to be giving out the orders.

The retiring Director-General, Mark Thompson, who has championed Entwistle and been anxious to endorse him as his successor, seemed to go out of his way to counter that view as he praised the new appointee as "an outstanding leader" and someone who has recently "shown his calibre as a leader".

In fact, Entwistle's most high-profile leadership activity of late has been to oversee the widely criticised BBC coverage of the Diamond Jubilee Pageant, although as Director of BBC Vision he can hardly be held responsible for some of the crass editorial errors which occurred on the day and drew public ire. Other than that, he has been a relatively low-key figure, slowly but surely climbing the rungs of the BBC for the past 23 years after joining the organisation as a trainee. Married with two children, he celebrates his 50th birthday on Sunday.

Although he was quickly among the front-runners for the top job when Thompson announced he was stepping down in April, Entwistle has until recently been a relatively anonymous BBC executive. The likes of former Deputy Director-General Mark Byford, former Director of Vision Jana Bennett, creative chief Alan Yentob and the smooth former Controller of BBC1 Peter Fincham all once seemed closer to the throne.

Unlike Fincham, who took the rap for the "Queengate" fakery scandal, or Byford, who enraged colleagues over his salary arrangements, the General has kept out of the line of fire and maintained the respect of the troops. Compared to the past pay of some BBC bosses, his £270,000 salary is relatively modest.

Entwistle's record as a programme maker made him the BBC journalists' DG of choice among the final candidates. Part of his talent has been his ability to avoid controversy. At Newsnight, where he was a long-standing deputy editor and then editor, he was admired for his ability to fix and tidy stories others had gathered, ensuring they bore the hallmark of the BBC and did not challenge editorial guidelines. The programme won five Royal Television Society awards under his editorship, but Entwistle is not regarded as a risk-taker, nor someone with remarkable creative flair.

Under Thompson's tutelage, he has become a key member of the BBC's strategic team, ensuring he is well placed to confront the problems the organisation faces globally and internally. He is enthusiastic about the potential of new technologies and will find it easier to impose further budgetary restraints than a DG without his strong roots in the BBC.

Physically, Entwistle rather resembles not so much a Custer or a Washington as another famous George, who shares his habit of wearing suits; George Passmore from the art duo Gilbert & George. Entwistle has his artistic leanings, too, and was the launch editor of BBC2's The Culture Show.

During his time at BBC Knowledge, he showed his appreciation of the arts by commissioning a season on opera across three BBC networks. He also headed up coverage of the Papal visit in 2010. In the same year, the 60th anniversary of the Battle of Britain gave him a chance to indulge his tastes in military matters with notable programmes on three television channels.

And now, after a skilfully executed leadership campaign, Director-General George Entwistle can take command of the BBC.

George Entwistle: Career highs and lows

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Anti-terrorist police charged a London-based chef last night with providing training in guns and explosives.

Sulayman Balal Zainulabidin, 43, from Greenwich, south-east London, was held on Monday over his connections with Sakina Security Services, an Islamist fundamentalist firm offering self-defence courses, including two-week trips to firing ranges in the United States.

Mr Zainulabidin was arrested at the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in London, where he had worked as a kitchen assistant for eight months.

Later Scotland Yard detectives raided his home, which is thought to be the Sakina headquarters.

He will appear at Belmarsh magistrates court today, charged with two counts under the Terrorism Act, concerning weapons training.

A website for Sakina has offered Muslim youths "the ultimate jihad experience", with American training trips. The company has also offered sniper instruction.

Last Friday, an Algerian pilot based in Britain, Lotfi Raissi, was accused of training four of the suicide hijackers, including the pilot of the American Airlines jet that crashed into the Pentagon. He will also appear at Belmarsh today.
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Monday, 26 June, 2000, 19:36 GMT 20:36 UK
British Muslims join 'holy war'
Indian soldiers in Kashmir
The recruits train in Kashmir, claimed by Pakistan and India
The UK Government is being urged to investigate claims that young British Muslims are being trained and armed to fight abroad.

An extremist religious organisation is believed to be targeting young men in cities such as London and Birmingham to fight a holy war (jihad) in Chechnya and Kashmir.

The recruits are trained in all aspects of warfare, with advanced training available abroad.

It's not difficult to make bombs these days, you can pick that up off the net

Adi Ya Ya

Adi Ya Ya, a 25-year-old from north London, spent four months at a military training camp in Kashmir.

He returned to the UK to recruit others to fight for independence in Kashmir.

"I learned everything with respect to fighting - making bombs, using artillery, using a Kalashnikov, how to ambush," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

Sakina Security Services, an international organisation funded by wealthy individuals, ran the course.

Its website says it specialises in "high risk jobs in the former Soviet Union and in the civil war arenas of the world".
Rebel in Chechnya
Islamic rebels are among those fighting the Russians in Chechnya

Adi Ya Ya says the recruits trained to defend fellow Muslims.

"If that means that we learn how to make bombs, then we learn how to make bombs. If that means that we learn how to kill, we learn how to kill."

"In Britain we do everything that is necessary in order for us to defend ourselves in this country in case there ever was any fighting taking place in this country, but we don't do anything that's against the law.

"We do everything except using artillery. It's not difficult to make bombs these days, you can pick that up off the net."

Sakina's website advertises a two-week course in the US called the Ultimate Jihad Challenge. It states: "Due to the arms laws of the UK, all serious firearms training must be done overseas.

"The course emphasis is on practical live-fire training. You will fire between 2,000 and 3,000 rounds of mixed calibre ammunition."

The police say they are aware of the organisation, and it is not an offence to run the training camps, so long as the techniques taught are within the law.

Holy cause

Adi Ya Ya says he thinks of himself as "a soldier of Islam".

The Muslim peer, Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, is disturbed that organisations are exploiting religion for their own purposes.

When you have young people born in this country who see the lack of opportunities, they start searching for their identity

Lord Ahmed of Rotherham

"If somebody is doing any training for activities that are illegal, then obviously Islam should not be used - or misused - in that context."

High unemployment and racism means young British Muslims can be vulnerable to fundamentalists, he told BBC News Online.

"When you have young people born in this country, bred in this country, who see the lack of opportunities, they start searching for their identity.

"They are vulnerable to groups and dissidents looking for recruits. I'm confident that there isn't a big number involved, but never the less, it's worrying."

Dr Ghayasuddin Sidiqui, leader of the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain, says there is no evidence that young men are signing up for the holy war.

"We are a law-abiding community. But 80% of the Pakistanis living in this country come from Kashmir. The people being killed are their kith and kin."

'Not terrorist organisation'

Professor Paul Wilkinson, the director of the centre for the study of terrorism at St Andrews University, said although Sakina was not involved in terrorism, other groups operating in the UK could well be.
Sheik Abu Hamza al-Masri
Sheik Abu Hamza al-Masri

Sakina's operational head is Muhammad Jameel, a British-born Muslim linked with the leading fundamentalists Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed and Sheikh Abu Hamza al-Masri.

Egyptian-born Sheikh Abu Hamza runs north London's Finsbury Park mosque. He has lived in London for 20 years, and has a long history of support for Islamist causes.

His son, Mohammed Mustafa Kamel, was among 10 British and French citizens jailed in Yemen for a terrorist plot last August.

Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammed, judge of the Sharia Court of the UK and founder of the Muslim party Al-Muhajiroun, has said he wants the UK to become an Islamic state.

The party holds talks on campuses, and reports say students joining up are later told of the possibility of engaging in military struggles "for the sake of Islam".

Lord Ahmed says young Muslims concerned for their people should resist such overtures.

"There is no need for them to fight an armed struggle. There are other ways to fight for what you believe in."
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caz wrote:
Curiously, the largest uranium mine in the world, in Australia, is called 'Olympic Dam'.


Just to let you know Caz

the thread has been split

"Of surnames, chessboards, capacitors & lodges"

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=21433


Of which "G4S exposé: Olympics 'wide open' for false flag or terrorism"

Strange because it's wide open anyway, regardless of any so called security.


And I may have understood your point "chessboards, capacitors (matrix)" particularly about the meme in the film about how people will gladly cry out to the Matrix to help them (say security in this example)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And I may have understood your point "chessboards, capacitors (matrix)" particularly about the meme in the film about how people will gladly cry out to the Matrix to help them (say security in this example)


No, that is not what I meant. What I meant is that we are only batteries to them.

Those who were involved in the building of the Olympic Stadium (Mansell) were also involved in the following:

What lies beneath the Ark Academy in Brent?
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2011/10/487685.html

The connection between a 'false falg terrorist attack' and the uranium mine called 'Olympic Dam' in Australia is not outside the remit of this thread, I think.
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