A bit of brief news about "Loose Change"

[scubadiver]

I've managed to get the internet connection to listen to Webster Tarpley on www.RBNlive.com

Now that Berlusconi has left office, "Loose Change" has been shown on TV in Italy at primetime. It is also doing the rounds in Canada and Australia.

Now we need it here in this country.

[madthumbs]

Screw Loose Change

Loose Change- rebuttal + Confession in phone interview

Time to bury these Zionist deniers.

[TimmyG]

i don't think the loose change lads are 'zionist deniers'!

yeah, loose change2 has its weak spots. and asserts itself in places where the evidence is speculative (hopefully ed3 will clear a few points up). But on the whole i think its a really good documentary. It's really accessible and a good introduction for people who haven't researched 9/11. It is really well produced (borrowing techniques used by msm networks to get us to see something in a certain way) and most importantly seems to make the average person ask questions about the official story.

[Andrew Johnson]

Just because people don't mention Zionists in their research doesn't mean they Zionist deniers - they just may not have researched their involvement at 1 or more levels (and I think they are involved - this page ask some good questions, for example http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a109.htm) The impression I took from the telephone conversation between Eric Hufschmid and the LC lads was just this - they didn't rule it out. They also didn't rule out that they might have been fed information on certain topics.

It's like classing all the people who DON'T post here as being "9/11 truth Deniers". The reality is that most of them haven't studied the evidence and some of them might be "9/11 truth Deniers" even when they have studied the evidence - they would just not have accepted it as valid.

It's important to make this distinction.

To me, it is important to consider that "The dominos are topling" and people are beginning to question more. It is the questioning that is to be encouraged, as this is the fundamental fuel for Freedom of Speech and expression.

[madthumbs]

Oh please.. when questioned about the Zionist connection they look well rehearsed in diverting discussion like to Bohemian Grove. I've heard of a video where earlier on when they were questioned; they were shocked and scared. But really.. BOHEMIAN GROVE? Wth does that have to do with 911 and how does knowledge of it help? They say things like "we didn't have time to include everything they wanted to", so now that their film is on it's 4th revision they are still openly refusing to include any hint of a Zionist connection in it. 4 revisions! Just like Alex (Zionist) Jones bombarding us with repetition and sidestepping talk of Israel, or Zionism.

[TimmyG]

well just because someone doesn't agree with a certain theory, doesn't automatically make them the enemy


I don't know much about the zion stuff. I find it hard to focus on. It seems to me more likely that this would be about power and money rather than any kind of religious cult

[ian neal]

It's not so much that I have problem with exploring the links between Isreal to 9/11 (such as this evidence)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fAoe26MaTew
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-03-13/fishwrapper.html
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-03-20/fishwrapper.html
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-03-27/fishwrapper.html

nor acknowledging Isreal's crimes against the Palestinian people and the links of MOSSAD to false flag terrorism

But I do have a problem with the suggestion promoted by some that the Isreali state and MOSSAD (or in some dodgy cases, simply 'the jews') represents the pinnacle of the global crime family and that there aren't further layers to the onion.

To my mind there is a complex web of conspiratorial CABALs and Isreal and MOSSAD is a part of this web, but that's it. Just a part of a bigger picture. Anyone promoting the belief that people of one faith (jewish) or one nation (Isreal) is responsible for 9/11 and other similar false flag terrorism is failing to fully understand the full complexity of the situation and the multiple deceptions and smoke and mirrors involved IMO.

Loose Change could similarly have been criticised for failing to explore sufficiently the links between Saudi Arabia or Pakistan and 9/11. It seems to me that Eric H is plain annoyed that his film hasn't received the same recognition and support as LC2 and sees all sorts of dark forces at work as a result. When the truth could be that his film just ain't as good and as watchable as LC2 or that most people within the movement (whilst aware of the Isreali connection) just don't share his wider worldview.

[scubadiver]

I think its possible that the lack of the "Israel connection" in LC2 is probably because it is a lot more difficult to find evidence for or am I just plain dumb?

Can someone explain?

[is]

Loose-change focuses on physical evidence. Its pretty obvious why they dont push the zionist/israeli angle

[uselesseater]

So it's been shown in Italy, Australia, and Canada - anywhere else? I know the BBC as a whole have been denying any publicity to our campaign but what TV stations have been contacted with a view to broadcasting Loose Change2?

[scar]

[Graham]

[madthumbs]

[madthumbs]

[scar]

Madthumbs,

I saw it when it came out and it is very good on evidence.
However, the voiceover is really annoying, patronising and repetitive.
Everyone i showed it to hated that side of it. It put them off in some cases.
Whereas show these same people Loose Change and they wake up!
Its the presentation that really grabs people and i for one have been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more successful waking people up with this one. Despite the errors...
It might take them a while to get involved but by then, when they find out the mistakes of LC, they have already made the step...
I think you arent looking at the big picture. There are masses of people out there who either dont know about this or live in denial.
Rattling on about the zionist connection alienates most people (you could say this a product of propaganda over the past century).
Therefore, if your plan is to wake as many people up in this world, reach a critical mass 100th monkey style and smash down the MSM lies then you perhaps ought to reconsider your approach??
To say that most people in the truth movement are disinformation agents without any proof aside from "they dont expose the zionists" is flat wrong.
Please re-read what ian said above. That is how a lot of people feel!
Why not make a video yourself that exposes the zionists if you and other dbs-ers feel so strongly, instead of constantly attacking other people who are in fact on your side!!!
Against evil and tyranny.
Surely waking people up is our priority?? Especially at this stage.
It certainly is mine anyway...to get enough people to force a proper investigation? Leaving no stone unturned.

I appreciate your involvement and desire to expose the criminals but please dont lose sight of what we could achieve and get lost bickering at dylan et.al. No offense but thats pretty much all ive seen you do on here so far.
Thats my 2 pence. Take it or throw it back at me.

Peace

scar

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[TimmyG]

nah mate. theres just other sides to it.

i've not done much research on the zion thing, but it probably is part of. Although i doubt pnac cares about the zionists.. they have their own motives, which loose change presents evidence to support. its a good doc, despite the speculative bits.. it has some very good points and the demolition of the buildings is presented really well.

basically. I think theres a few groups of people. all with there own agendas. but they met up and came to an agreement to carry out this operation and keep it secret so they can all get a piece of the pie.


and if the US is being used by isreal.. then surely it's enough to expose the members within the us who were complicit

[John White]

[scar]

[Jane]

As Scar said, "Madthumbs":

[Pikey]

Scar,

Superb top quality, wise, intelligent,positive, truth seeking blog to keep us on track with our mission statement:- to secure a full professional independent investigation to expose the truth of the events of 911.

Thanx for that!

[freddie]

Here here Scar! - Much better than your usual rambling verbiage

[scar]

mwahahaha

[Jane]

[andyb]

Great post scar.

MadThumbs, all or most of us on this forum have had our eyes opened, hence being here. Once you realise that 911 was an inside job you then do start questioning other events and our perception on what is real and what we are made to believe is real. I showed LC2 to my girlfriend recently and she was outraged at the evidence put forward and understands why I feel the way I do. I've been trying to tell her myself for months yet it took LC2 to get her to really see it. People will wake up in their own time, and I like many others believe LC2 to be a good alarm clock in that respect.

We can't have all this information come out too quickly as it would turn the world into just the place we are trying to stop it becoming. There would be absolute mayhem everywhere. We are calling for a FULL enquiry into 911, this should leave no stone unturned. This will take years but will gradually change the world for the better. A lot of us know after immersing ourselves in research that there are PTB in place but 911 is the strongest tool we have to bring them down. Let's stop all this internal bickering and start doing our bit to change the world.

[TimmyG]

we just need to work to get the truth out there. The bias of the media has reached a ridiculous point which should be acknowledged worldwide.

but with respect to potential social chaos. i don't see any other consequence in the movements success. These guys aren't gonna hold their hands up and take responsiblity. They are going to fight against the truth to the bitter end.

personally i want the movement to succeed in getting the truth acknowledged and the people responsible faced with a serious public confrontation. it can result in no greater chaos than what is happening in the world right now.

[ian neal]

I just wanted to ensure you saw my post below. Clearly madthumbs and one or two other posters here fall into the camp that finds it helpful to denounce people as 'zionist deniers'. Now whether those who shout 'zionist deniers' are the knowing agents of the PTB or merely their unwitting dupes is for each of us to decide. I certainly don't know but I describe my suspicions below.

(And of course there is a third possibility, namely that madthumbs et al is a beacon of truth and it is us that ignore his dark warnings that are the real dupes)......

Jane if you find polarised debates such as ones on the Rachel thread unhelpful, ignore them

[Jane]

I have just read what you have written Ian, and I don't fully "understand" it right now but I will come back to it...

All I know is that I myself have kept coming across all this "Zionist" stuff for ages now and I feel there must be something in it (I once read an article about "Time travelling Nazi Jehovah's" which would actually kind of make some kind of sense but we won't go there now!) yet when recently a couple of highly intelligent senior lecturers from my college started to take some kind of interest in what I have been blathering on about for ages and said they would have a look on our board - all I could think was "Please God, don't let them find anything on the "Zionist/Jewish" stuff!” (or in a lesser way the shape shifting repitles/ufos). There are times when just one word someone reads can "say it all"! before they have even read what you are saying - it is not so much a case of "false flag" as just seeing and recognising the flag! Thus white flag means "I surrender" to most people - flag with swastika = Nazi to most people - of cause you may be using it to imply the Hind belief in the wheel of karma and you may have kept it the right way round unlike Hitler who twisted it - but believe me, most people will just see the swastika and make their own quick assumptions!

[ian neal]

Here hopefully is a simpler version

There is 'something' in the 'zionist' stuff IMO. Namely that the PTB have been/are closely associated with zionism, but IMO zionism and the zionists are NOT the be all and end all. They are but one faction or wing in an international criminal web

[andyb]

I agree, also worth noting David Ray Griffins points about good vs evil. There may well be powers of good at the top but they are currently outweighed by powers of evil. It is up to us to get rid of this evil, for the good to triumph. It's like our very own little Lord of the Rings, Star Wars etc.