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ian neal Angel - now passed away


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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:37 pm Post subject: Desperate Blacksmith 9/11 debunking video |
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https://www.facebook.com/ae911truth/photos/a.379243506268.164274.59185 411268/10153159432806269/?type=3&theater
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA&feature=youtu.be
A&E 9/11 response
Viral 9/11 Truth-Debunking Blacksmith Gets It All Wrong
Much hay has been made in recent days about a YouTube video posted by a blacksmith named Trenton Tye, who tries to debunk the theory that the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7 were destroyed by controlled demolition.
Within the first two days of being posted, Tye’s video received five million views and was covered by the Washington Post, the Daily Mirror, and the Huffington Post — the latter with the celebratory headline, “Metal Worker Shuts Down 9/11 Truthers… With His Pinkie.”
In fact, Tye's attempt to disprove controlled demolition by heating a half-inch piece of steel to 1,800°F and bending it like a “noodle” is way off. He seems to think the controlled demolition argument goes like this, “Fire can’t melt steel, so the buildings couldn’t have collapsed from fire.” He couldn’t be more mistaken.
The only reason that melting steel is discussed at all is because government officials, engineers, first responders, and others observed large amounts of molten metal (requiring temperatures of more than 2,800°F) in the debris of all three buildings.
Tye’s sixth-grade-level demonstration that structural steel loses strength at 1,800°F does nothing to address the presence of molten metal at Ground Zero. If anything, Tye proves that the fires in the World Trade Center could not have generated the molten metal that witnesses saw. What did? The only plausible explanation is thermite, an incendiary that can be used to cut through structural steel.
Putting aside the molten metal, Tye’s demonstration is wholly irrelevant for the simple reason that the fires in the World Trade Center could not have heated the structure anywhere near as high as the 1,800°F to which Tye heated his piece of steel using a furnace.
Jet fuel fires reach temperatures of around 1,500°F only under optimal conditions. In open air conditions like the WTC buildings, they burn at around 600°F. Even according to the government agency that investigated the disaster, there is no evidence that any of the steel was heated to the point where it would lose its strength.
There have been literally hundreds of hotter, larger, longer-lasting fires in steel-frame high-rises over the last century, and never has one caused the total collapse of a building. Tye’s simplistic logic implies that many of these infernos should have led to a total collapse. Of course, none has — and that also goes for the three steel-frame high-rises that were destroyed on 9/11.
That this YouTube video has become an overnight sensation testifies to the alarming lack of journalistic rigor and scientific acumen with which the media has approached the debate surrounding the World Trade Center destruction on 9/11 — and to the rampant misinformation that has followed.
We encourage anyone who thinks there might be some validity to Tye’s confused science experiment to visit AE911Truth.org and to read our most recent publication, Beyond Misinformation: What Science Says About the Destruction of World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2, and 7, for real expert analysis of the evidence. |
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Jason16 Minor Poster

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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Spot on Ian and well done for founding the site and keeping it going as a testament to those seeking the truth IMO. |
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ian neal Angel - now passed away


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| You're welcome although the real thanks should go to Tony since he has been keeping the show on the road over the years and paying the bills |
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Within the first two days of being posted, Tye’s video received five million views and was covered by the Washington Post, the Daily Mirror, and the Huffington Post — the latter with the celebratory headline, “Metal Worker Shuts Down 9/11 Truthers… With His Pinkie.” |
Saw this vid the other day. The real perps are getting desperate having to get this into the papers and with 5 million hits in 2 days. Shows how desperately people want to believe the Official NIST US Govt conspiracy theory. The truth is too disturbing just before Christmas.
If Tyes theory had been true his whole blacksmiths shop would have collapsed. _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12 |
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ian neal Angel - now passed away


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| I wouldn't trust the number of views for this type of video. 5 million in 2 days prior to being 'picked up on' by MSM seems an incredibly high number. It's not a star wars trailer after all. It is straight forward business to engage agencies to boost your views and likes on social media and is quite common. It's speculation but the production values and the surprisingly fast way it went viral makes it smell of psyops: i.e. state sponsored but plausibly deniable propaganda |
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fish5133 Site Admin


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| ian neal wrote: | | I wouldn't trust the number of views for this type of video. 5 million in 2 days prior to being 'picked up on' by MSM seems an incredibly high number. It's not a star wars trailer after all. It is straight forward business to engage agencies to boost your views and likes on social media and is quite common. It's speculation but the production values and the surprisingly fast way it went viral makes it smell of psyops: i.e. state sponsored but plausibly deniable propaganda |
Agree--seems very fishy.
I also note it needed a "human" hand to help it get to 1800 and then bend. _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12 |
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Whitehall_Bin_Men Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


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All that's needed is a few days campaign to order the sock puppets of the world to keep clicking on it.
Combined with the mainstream media coverage.
This is how you market war.
Lots of questions circulating about San Bernadino & Paris.
Russian sanctions due to expire in the new year.
Quite likely another massive WMD false flag in the offing now
The only question is where... _________________ --
'Suppression of truth, human spirit and the holy chord of justice never works long-term. Something the suppressors never get.' David Southwell
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