Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:15 pm Post subject: Raoul Moat - Northumbria Police informer terminated by Taser
Something doesn't feel right about this.
Strange psychology.
The press have been told Raoul has a vendetta against the police... Police told them this?
Police then seen as attracting bullets, not so reassuring as before Raoul's release.
Now Northumbria police are saying they 'have reason to believe' Raoul is a danger to the public. Reason confidential.
Cumbria shootings overlaying Gaza Flotilla massacre; now Moat joins that growing 'band' of psychos targeting police so notable in the USuk every time zion or thule wants to deflect attention, not that I am saying this is zion inspired, just the modus seems stereotypical.
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Residents were told by police that if they went walking in the countryside or walked their dogs outside the village, they would be “at risk”.
Yep, probably psy-ops at some level, ISTM... and Rothbury is such a lovely area... hmm, why am I thinking of Ridley? _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:43 pm Post subject: Raoul Moat is false flag?
This whole episode is looking very fishy indeed:
1) Moat may be a very angry guy etc but the lack of warning/action that he was intent on revenge after being released from prison looks calculated.
Did the Police let Moat's rampage happen? A LIHOP?
2) The motive for this false flag is pretty obvious .... it pushes the envelope of what the UK Police can do as a para-military force. So you get Northern Ireland style tactics on the UK mainland. Who benefits?
3) The apparent 'threats' issued by Moat against the general public look like a police psy-op to scare the general population.
Once this is all over there needs to be a big inquiry into this going into the history of Moats relationship with the Police over many years ... of course there will never be a full inquiry!
Smells very, very fishy indeed. A LIHOP false flag to ramp up the Police state as the UK economy collapses. Who benefits?
Certainly not Moat... but who has the time to dig into his suicide when the entire planet is under attack from forces that are blatantly disinterested in its continuance as a viable place for life to exist? Perhaps they drink oil? _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
Troubled former footballer Paul Gascoigne, 43, turned up at the Rothbury police cordon claiming he was Moat's friend and could mediate.
The former England star, who has battled with drink and drugs, arrived with a can of lager, chicken, a fishing rod, a mobile phone and a dressing gown for Moat. His arrival stunned onlookers and police, who claimed Gascoigne did not know Moat.
In a slurring rant, Gascoigne said he knew Moat from when he was a bouncer.
"I've slept 1 hour per night for three weeks now and am chomping my jaw like I'm on extacy [sic]. I thought it was the medication, but I've been off since I came out. It feels like I'm watching a film, not real at all." _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
The Sunday Papers all carry different stories... the Police were 2 feet away, he was accepting food and about to give up, he had multiple shot gun wounds, he killed himself with a shotgun, he was tasered, friends who saw the body saw no taser marks etc etc
The whole event reminds me of something like a very bad movie...
Is this case being used as an excuse to continue to lock people up if they "continue to be a threat to society"?
'Raoul's death was a public execution on live TV': Fury of Moat's brother after six-hour stand-off ended in suicide
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 3:42 PM on 11th July 2010
The brother of gunman Raoul Moat has told of his horror at watching his sibling die on TV in what he has described as a ‘public execution’.
Angus Moat today criticised the police for refusing to allow him to talk to his younger brother during a tense six-hour stand-off which ended with his apparent suicide.
Mr Moat, who said he had not seen his brother 'for a number of years', saw on the television news that police had cornered him on Friday after a six-day manhunt.
Horrified: Angus Moat (left) has likened his brother Raoul's (right) death to a 'public execution'
He said: 'As it was getting dark I thought "it's all hotting up".
'The media aren't helping. You've got this constant round the clock rolling news. It's like, you know, they're working up to what could be a public execution in modern Britain of my little brother.'
Moat was wanted for shooting his ex-girlfriend Sam Stobbart, killing her new boyfriend Chris Brown and seriously injuring PC David Rathband last weekend.
His older brother told Sky News he immediately contacted police and told them: 'You've got to get me up there. I've got to go and speak to my brother.'
He said Northumbria Police rebuffed his offer and were apparently concerned that it might unlock memories which would exacerbate the situation.
'Since then I've seen footage of him in his last hours and he was a broken man, he's crying about his lack of family, that he's got no father, that nobody loves him. There were loads of people that loved him,' Mr Moat said.
Police armed with guns and a Taser are pictured negotiating with Moat on Friday evening
Police armed with guns and a Taser are pictured negotiating with Moat on Friday evening
'If the police are so keen to get this defused and they want to talk him down and negotiate and his family are figuring so prominently in what he is saying, then why didn't they go for that option.'
The 37-year-old added: ‘I think I’m probably the only person in the UK who has watched their brother die on television, which is obviously horrific.
‘I felt absolutely powerless. It’s happening behind glass and you’re not there.
'You know this is my brother who's not a psycho killer like some of the press have been suggesting.
'He was a person, he's a brother, he's a son, he's a father. He's a man who's had a nervous breakdown.'
Moat's uncle Charlie Alexander also offered to go and reason with his nephew but said police did not get back to him.
The 72-year-old said: 'I rang up at 11pm and said that if they sent a car I would go up and talk to him and bring him back to their lines.
'They just said they'd get back to me but nobody came back to me at all.
'He was asking for us. He said he had no family and he had no dad. If I went up he would have had someone that loves him and it would possibly have turned him that little bit that he needed to, to say, 'I'm going to give myself up'.'
Finger on the trigger: Holding the sawn-off shotgun to his head, Raoul Moat lies flat out on the grass just yards from the river during the tense stand-off on Friday night
Finger on the trigger: Holding the sawn-off shotgun to his head, Raoul Moat lies flat out on the grass just yards from the river during the tense stand-off on Friday night
Moat's uncle Charlie Alexander claims he offered to reason with his nephew during the stand-off
Moat's uncle Charlie Alexander claims he offered to reason with his nephew during the stand-off
Mr Alexander, who lives in Gateshead, added: 'I am still in a state of shock to tell you the truth. I cannot believe that Raoul's not here, he's gone.
'He was so gentle with us. There was no aggression, no fighting, no arguing, he was so soft.
'My family called him the gentle giant. Where it's all gone wrong has changed him.
'But I am still shocked that he's dead, he's gone and we're going to get the chance to find out what when wrong.'
The force was today facing questions about the use of Tasers during the violent end to the stand-off with Moat.
One of the fugitive's friends brought in to speak to him during the tense negotiations said he thought the stun gun triggered Moat to shoot himself in the head.
Police finally caught up with the nightclub bouncer on a riverbank in Rothbury, Northumberland, on Friday night, beginning the six-hour siege with armed officers and police negotiators.
Moat's friend Anthony Wright, 34, told the Sunday Mirror: 'They got me there too late. I could have talked him round. I'm sure those Tasers led to his death.'
He added: 'When I got there police said he was calm and they had the situation under control. They expected to be talking to him all night and maybe into the next day. The negotiator was a real professional and he was stunned that Raoul killed himself.
'Why did it go from that and preparing me to speaking to him to him shooting himself?
'Something must have triggered it - and I'm sure it was the fact they shocked him. Afterwards the negotiator had his head in his hands...he said it wasn't supposed to end like this.'
Moat, 37, blasted himself with a shotgun at around 1.15am yesterday.
According to the News of the World, one officer said the Tasers were fired to immobilise the suspect, who had been holding a shotgun to his head.
Moat - wanted for the fatal shooting of his ex-girlfriend's new partner and gun attacks on her and a policeman - also reportedly told officers: 'I don't want to spend the rest of my life in a cell.'
Chris Brown
Samantha Stobbart
Victims: Moat shot and killed Chris Brown (left) and injured his ex-girlfriend Sam Stobbart (right)
Reading a prepared statement yesterday, Northumbria Police Temporary Chief Constable Sue Sim said police 'discharged Taser' during the stand-off.
But she refused to answer any questions, prompting speculation over what stage of the negotiations the Tasers were fired, what prompted their discharge, what effect they had on Moat and whether the use of the Tasers played any part in Moat's decision to pull the trigger on his gun.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), which is investigating events leading up to Moat's death, later confirmed two Tasers were used by separate officers.
A post-mortem examination gave the cause of Moat's death as gunshot wounds consistent with the weapon he was carrying, it was reported last night.
A family member told BBC News that they could find no mention in the post-mortem report of any marks on Moat's body specifically linked to an injury from a Taser stun gun. There were marks consistent with 'rough living'.
Moat's death followed a manhunt that lasted almost a week after Moat's ex-girlfriend Sam Stobbart was shot and injured, her boyfriend Chris Brown was shot dead and PC David Rathband was shot in his patrol car.
In a statement released through police last night, Mr Brown's mother, Sally Brown, said: 'I am relieved it's all over with no further injury or loss of life.
Moat shot PC Rathbone in the face. He is described as being in a 'stable and comfortable' position
Moat shot PC Rathbone in the face. He is described as being in a 'stable and comfortable' condition
'I would ask that I'm now allowed to grieve for my son in private.'
Mr Brown's sister Beckie Njie, 33, who lives in Slough, Berkshire, told the Daily Telegraph the family have 'a lot of unanswered questions'.
Mrs Njie said the family want to know why police did not tell Miss Stobbart about a warning from Durham Prison that Moat might intend to cause her serious harm following his release on July 1.
'We are really angry and we want answers,' she said.
'Something went wrong and it has cost Chris his life. They should have warned them. How did they allow that to happen when they knew he (Moat) was a danger? That's what I want to know.
'It makes me really angry, they knew about Moat and they should have done something.'
Miss Stobbart is said to be making a good recovery in hospital, while PC Rathband - whose face was badly injured - was described as 'stable and comfortable'.
A spokesman for the IPCC said it would be looking at the firing of two Tasers as part of its investigation.
IPCC commissioner Nicholas Long was already investigating whether Northumbria Police took adequate action following the warning from Durham Prison.
Mr Long said: 'The IPCC has now two independent investigations.
'I have decided that there will be one investigation covering both these aspects.
'We will be examining whether correct procedures were followed by Northumbria Police and the detail of how this incident came to a conclusion.
'A full investigation will now be carried out and we will publish our findings in due course so that there is a public account answering the many questions that people will have.'
Ms Sim said Moat was armed when he was discovered by police around 7pm yesterday and negotiators were brought in.
'At around 1.15am, from information available at the moment, it appears the suspect shot himself. It appears no gunshots were fired by police officers,' she said.
'Right up until that time, police officers were striving to persuade Mr Moat to give himself up peacefully.
'At around 2.20am he was pronounced dead at hospital.'
As the siege wore on Moat apparently relaxed and allowed police to bring him food and water.
But at about 1.15am, with heavy rain lashing down, officers apparently attempted to wrestle Moat to the ground and the 17-stone steroid addict shot himself.
One eyewitness told the Press Association the tense siege came to a climax when police surrounded the former nightclub doorman and jumped on him.
His death brought to an end a huge manhunt involving police officers from 15 forces, Scotland Yard sharpshooters, armoured 4x4 cars and an RAF Tornado aircraft.
Much of the search focused on countryside surrounding Rothbury but when officers finally caught up with Moat it was on a riverbank close to the centre of the village.
Mr Brown's father Geoffrey Brown today said the family's thoughts were with everyone affected by the events of the past week.
In a statement, released through Northumbria Police, Mr Brown said: 'On behalf of our family we would like to thank Northumbria Police and all the other forces involved in trying to bring the hunt for Raoul Moat to a peaceful conclusion.
'We would especially like to thank the officers directly involved in the investigation into Chris' death and the professionalism shown by all.
'Although we have lost a loved one, we realise there are other victims and our thoughts are with them.
'As we mourn our son and brother, we are aware that the cowardly act of Moat will affect others, including Moat's family who will have to live with his actions for the rest of their lives.
'Finally we would like to thank the public for their assistance given to the police and for all the tributes paid to Chris.'
The statement said Mr Brown had recently moved to Tyneside from Slough, Berkshire, to take up a job as a karate instructor.
"I've slept 1 hour per night for three weeks now and am chomping my jaw like I'm on extacy [sic]. I thought it was the medication, but I've been off since I came out. It feels like I'm watching a film, not real at all."
We also know that he had recently been taking anti-depressants, which is the case with most rampage killers of this kind, yet is something nobody in authority seems to want to know about.
Maybe it was one of the brands that carry warnings about "homicidal ideation". _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
Exclusive by Jeremy Armstrong and Jon Clements 12/07/2010
Gun madman Raoul Moat was a secret police informant for years, it emerged last night.
During his week-long manhunt the crazed killer, 37, blasted innocent PC David Rathband and vowed to murder other officers after boasting he had “declared war” on police.
But in truth he had spent years grassing up underworld figures to cops – which let him avoid jail despite a 10-YEAR association with violence that saw him arrested up to 12 times, including for conspiracy to murder.
He eventually received an 18-week prison term this year for assaulting a minor – a sentence that sparked his hatred of the force.
An officer admitted at the weekend: “Sometimes we’re able to make things go away if they don’t involve violence but there are no guarantees. Sometimes we have to say, ‘Sorry, tough luck’.”
One of Moat’s old pals, Brian Moulding, learnt the ex-bouncer was feeding information to the law when he gave evidence to help police prosecute him.
Mr Moulding, 29, of Newcastle, said: “I have evidence that proves he was a police informer. I learnt he was an informant because it was referred to in the legal papers in my case.
“I often wondered why he constantly seemed to escape justice whenever he ended up before the courts and that’s when I realised. Given his history and his constantly saying he hated police, you would not believe his past. But it was a front to cover what he was in front of his criminal associates.”
A source who knew of Moat’s history added: “You would expect a man capable of shooting and killing to have a series of convictions. Moat was detained on many occasions yet was barely touched by the courts. He had a charmed life.”
Another source close to the case said: “He was arrogant whenever court officials dealt with him. He thought he was above the law.”
Mr Moulding said that in his case Moat had shown officers where some stolen number plates were hidden.
He added: “He gave them information and had done for years on a regular basis. That was in the papers. Look at his record. See how many times he was arrested on serious charges and escaped with a slap on the wrist. He was getting preferential treatment from courts because he was useful to the police.”
Mr Moulding even claimed Moat once used his connections to get him off the hook. He said: “He had an officer whom he dealt with all the time.
“He was based in Cowgate, Newcastle, and he would go to see him when he needed a favour.
“An officer put cuffs on me once for a suspected hit-and-run and Moat went over. They were arresting me but Moat said, ‘I’ll bring him to the station and sort it out’. He took me to the station and I got off with another slap on the wrist.” Moat’s brushes with the law go back as far as 2000, when he was held for conspiracy to murder. He was freed without charge.
In 2005 he was charged over possessing a knuckle-duster and a samurai sword. He told the court: “The point of a knuckle-duster is as much to protect your knuckles as it is to damage the other kid.” He also claimed the weapon would not “fit on to his hand” and was merely an ornament. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
Tonight ITV News and ITV Tyne Tees broadcast for the first time recordings made by Raoul Moat in the months before he shot 3 people, leaving one person dead and a police officer blinded.
The hours of tapes were made by Moat himself because of his concern that he was being persecuted by the police.
They reveal that he asked for psychiatric help in August last year.
At a meeting of professionals – that Moat himself records – he says:
“I would like to have, erm, a psychiatrist, psychologist, have a word with me regularly, on a regular basis to see if there’s somewhere underlying like where I have problem that I haven’t seen.”
“Why don’t we just have a psychiatrist sit me down and say right ok I want to see you regularly, then we can move towards where your areas of fault are, we can enhance on these areas you know, erm and work with us. This is one of the things I’m suggesting.”
Tonight Newcastle City Council have admitted they did not offer Moat any psychiatric treatment.
The tapes also record him talking with people, including a social worker, about his enjoyment of living outdoors in Rothbury, raising the question: Why did it take the police days to look for him there?
There are hours and hours of recordings, recordings of a man in his own words “on the edge”. But the elements we are broadcasting tonight present a serious concern.
Given the amount of evidence the authorities had about his mental state, as well as their records of his violent history, shouldn’t the warning that he was going to target his ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend have been taken more seriously?
Tonight in a statement Newcastle City Council say: “Newcastle City Council did commission a report from a psychologist. This report did not recommend any treatment, but examined Mr Moat’s aggressive behaviour.”
You can here the tapes tonight on ITV News at 6.30 pm and at 10pm. _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
Police informers also go into... witness protections programmes.
Anyone seen a few parts of Prison Break understands anything goes in this day and age.
No wonder riots broke out in Ireland, all the troop carriers came over here chasing a lone single police informer in the woods....
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:03 pm Post subject:
Raoul Moat: 'Three Shots In Three Seconds'
6 hours 47 mins ago
Analysis of audio recorded during the Raoul Moat stand-off has suggested three shots were fired in the space of around three seconds.
Forensic experts say the sounds are consistent with the controversial XREP tasers discharged by two police officers, and the shotgun fired by Moat.
Although the order in which the weapons were fired remains unclear, this analysis gives the first indication of the frantic few seconds which led to the fugitive's death.
The footage captured by a Sky News cameraman in the early hours of last Saturday was recorded around 100 metres from Moat's position on the river bank.
The audio was examined by two leading forensic consultants, firearms specialist David Dyson, and audio analyst Iain McArthur.
Once the recording was enhanced they were able to pick out three separate sounds, all of which were consistent with either a shotgun or a shotgun-based taser.
The first shot is fired shortly after Sky correspondent James Matthews noticed an increase in police activity.
He is heard on the tape saying: "You thinking it's over mate?"
A colleague replies: "I think it's over... they put some lights on a minute ago and now the copper that was standing there has just ******** off."
Moments later, the first crack is heard, although it appears journalists on the ground were only aware of the second crack which followed shortly after.
The third crack is the most muffled on the tape.
According to Mr McArthur this may be due to the increase in noise coming from the police at the scene combined with the commotion among journalists.
Despite one of the shots sounding louder than the other two, the experts warned it would be unwise to use this to differentiate between the tasers and Moat's shotgun.
According to Mr McArthur, the perceived volume of the shots would have been affected by the direction of the camera's microphone, the surroundings and the weather.
"It could be easy to think that one single noise was the shotgun that Raoul Moat killed himself with, but depending on where each of these weapons are, the trees and foliage could severely dampen the sounds," the expert said.
"This would change your perception of which is the most prominent or even the closest weapon."
Commenting on the same issue, Mr Dyson said: "As a principle I would expect the sawn-off shotgun to make a louder bang... but there are so many other factors that could affect this."
The analysis also identified loud shouting coming from police officers after shots were fired.
At one point they appear to be saying: "Get the gun away from him, get the gun away."
In addition to the noise coming from officers and police dogs, there appears to be a more ambiguous screaming which may have come from Moat himself.
The rapid succession with which the shot sounds appear to follow each other will inevitably raise questions about whether a spasm induced by the taser caused Moat to pull the trigger.
However, according to Mr Dyson that would not necessarily be the case, as some individuals react by opening the palms of their hands.....
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Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:08 pm Post subject:
Now Moat tribute page has been taken down - either by the user or by Facebook - not sure which
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Q Was Raoul Moat a police informer?
A There were reports yesterday that Moat, who had been arrested 12 times, was able to avoid being charged as he was a police informer. Northumbria Police will neither confirm nor deny the allegation.
Did police kill Raoul Moat? Wounds were inconsistent with shotgun, say his family
By David Jones and Paul Sims
Last updated at 10:24 PM on 16th July 2010
Gunman: Police said Raoul Moat died from a self-inflicted shotgun wound, but his family has forced a second post-mortem
Raoul Moat's family has accused the police of firing the shot that killed him.
Police say he shot himself with a shotgun, but the family say his injuries were 'inconsistent' with this type of wound and have forced a second post-mortem.
They believe he was shot at point-blank-range by officers armed with the controversial XRep Taser.
The Taser, which has not yet been 'type approved' by the Home Office, fires a dart delivering a shock lasting 20 seconds, four times longer than conventional models.
Moat, 37, who shot his ex-girlfriend Samantha Stobbart, 22, executed her partner, Chris Brown, 29, and blasted PC Rathband, died in the early hours of last Saturday after a six-hour stand-off with police.
He had been on the run for seven days before he was cornered in Rothbury, Northumberland.
His uncle, Charlie Alexander, 72, a former Royal Artillery warrant officer who identified his nephew's body on Monday, said the second post-mortem will happen in days.
He told the Daily Mail: 'I said: "Gun shot wounds? There's not a mark on him."
'They said: "It went in one way and out the other".
'I said: "I don't think so. He had a shotgun: it just takes your head off. They wouldn't just cause one hole".
'The Taser they shot him with fires projectiles effective at 100ft. I think he's been shot by that and it went right through his head.
'All he had was two bruises under his eyes.'
He added: 'I'm going for ballistics experts, everything. I won't let this lie.'
Raoul Moat confrontation
The family said a Home Office pathologist who carried out the first post-mortem told them Moat's injuries were caused by a shotgun.
But they said his wounds were nothing like those suffered by PC Rathband, 42, who was shot with a sawn-off shotgun and still has more than 200 pellets lodged in his skull.
Investigators for the Independent Police Complaints Commission have confirmed that police fired two Tasers at Moat at 'some point around the time of the fatal shot'.
But they remain convinced that the fatal wound was self-inflicted.
They said that the injuries might not have been consistent with a sawn-off shotgun because Moat used 'home-made ammunition'.
Although the Taser is still being tested, chief constables have been given discretionary powers to use it as long as the use of force is 'lawful, reasonable and proportionate'.
Moat's brother, Angus, 39, a tax officer, said he was convinced that there was some sort of 'cover-up'.
'What I would like to see is the police held accountable, from their failure to act on the warning that was given about what Raoul was likely to do when he was released, right up to what happened in the final stand-off,' he said.
Prison officers sent police a written warning that Moat was threatening to kill on his release from jail just before his attack.
'I'm sure there was a cover-up here,' his brother said. 'I think death by own hand was the least messy option (for the police).
'Either he was shot through the head by the Taser projectile or he went into involuntary spasm when they shot him (and pulled the trigger of the shotgun accidentally).
Northumbria Police refused to comment on the claims in light of the investigation.
It comes after single mother Siobhan O'Dowd was shamed into taking down her 'RIP Raoul Moat You Legend' Facebook page, which drew 38,000 members, after widespread condemnation.
But other pages, such as 'RIP Raoul Moat', have been set up, attracting thousands more.
Daily Mail _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:21 am Post subject:
Pretty clear now isn't it... however bad a guy Raoul was The Northumbria Police are a bunch of lawless fascists. They wanted Moat dead because of what he knew about their rather-too-close relations with the North West's criminal underworld.
And killed him with an illegal Taser XREP which pumped 50,000 volts into Raoul Moat continuoulsly for 20 seconds.
If you or I were caught with this weapon we'd be facing a decade in jail.
Great for offloading a pure hatred, torturing someone or stunning a full grown cow before she is shot in the brain, but not a lot else.
Did these little Nazi cops shout 'exterminate' as they fired?
I've had my own little run-in with the lawless Northumbria police CID who are still spending masses more public money fighting to stop my compensation.
And Northumbria were the force sent down, in the person of Tony Warcup, to smash the investigation into child abuse in Jersey and arrested the whistleblower there.
Do I see a pattern developing here?
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"Turns out he was probably dead at the site, but they didn't announce that, for 45 minutes. So I had to sit in front of the TV, watching an ambulance drive through the night with my brother in it, who was already dead, thinking, 'I hope he's not dead, I really hope he's not dead."
How did he react? "Complete disbelief. Crying my eyes out. Throwing up. Delirium. Nearly broke my hand punching the floor out of sheer frustration. It was the most horrific thing – I wouldn't wish it on anybody. My loved brother. Killed on TV. "
Six hours later a reporter from the News of the World contacted Angus. "I had uniformed police at the front of my flat, because I warned them – I basically said you better keep the press away from me, because I won't be responsible for my actions. So they put two uniformed officers in front of my flat, to keep the press away."
Ironically, a newspaper reporter put him in touch with his uncle, Charlie Alexander, with whom he is now gratefully staying, and with whom he intends to complain to the IPCC.
Angus says he has no time for those who, on Facebook and elsewhere, think his brother is an anti-establishment "legend". "I do not condone that at all, and I'm sure he wouldn't either if he was still here. People who celebrate the bravado to give some kind of outlet to the negative side of their feelings and their emotions and their lives."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/17/raoul-moat-brother-angus-moat
The survival expert Ray Mears was enlisted by police to hunt down the fugitive gunman Raoul Moat during the seven-day search in the Northumberland countryside, it emerged today.
A Northumbria police spokeswoman confirmed the extraordinary news that Mears had been involved in the manhunt, but refused to elaborate on his role.
"We can confirm Ray Mears did assist in this investigation, as did several other agencies and specialists," she said.
...
Maybe the next instalment will include Arnie Saccnuson and the Raoul Moat storm drains .... _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 2568 Location: One breath from Glory
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject:
A second post mortem. Just what the police want. Conflicting findings in post mortems help guilty parties to escape.
On the tasering incident, if he was tasered then i would think that all the screaming and noise you heard could have been Moat. Tasers seem to cause that kind of reaction-- and who wouldnt scream being electrocuted.
Wonder if this notion about the taser causing Moat to involuntary shoot himself is just some disinfo to provide a way out for the police. _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
Those black shirted Northumbria police cult murderers should be behind bars.
In one of the tape recorded interviews with Moat it is alleged he stated that the police were going to issue him with a Firearms Licence claim hes gone awol with a gun and then shoot him. Cant remember where I read it but it got me thinking.
Is this a new way of getting rid of future opponents?
Only the police issue firearms licences so only they can claim you or I have one even when we haven't. They can then in theory surround someone in a house and bump them off?
They did that with the solicitor in London but have now got the upper hand as they have presented Moat as a nutter, as anti-police (when they dont disclose whether he was an informer) and therefore everyone will justify people getting shot if they are carrying arms and the police have declared them 'an enemy' of people and the state...
Raoul Moat's uncle says killer's former girlfriend has 'blood on hands'
Raoul Moat's uncle has accused the killer's former girlfriend of having "blood on her hands" over his nephew's shooting spree
Published: 7:30AM BST 24 Jul 2010
Charlie Alexander claimed Sam Stobbart caused "untold suffering and anguish" with her "lies" and goaded Moat in the period leading up to his crimes.
Mr Alexander said he did not want to excuse his nephew's "terrible deeds" but remained highly critical of Miss Stobbart.
Miss Stobbart, 22, falsely told Moat, 37, that she was dating a police officer in an attempt to protect herself from his violence.
However, Moat's anger at the claim is believed to have contributed to him shooting three people.
Mr Alexander, 72, a former warrant officer in the Royal Artillery, also accused Miss Stobbart, from Birtley, Gateshead, of taking "blood money" for an interview with a Sunday newspaper.
Moat injured Sam Stobbart, killed her new boyfriend Chris Brown, 29, and blinded PC David Rathband in a two-day shooting spree.
He shot himself after a stand-off with police in Rothbury, Northumberland after seven days on the run.
Mr Alexander, from Gateshead, made the accusations in an open letter addressed to "the victims, their families and others".
He wrote: "This lady has the blood of two deaths and a maimed PC on her hands, all caused by the lies and the goading on the mobile (phone) prior to the incident.
"A second phone call to Raoul told him that her new boyfriend was a policeman and had a black belt in karate and if he wanted to come to the house, her boyfriend would 'do' him.
"She then went on to describe what her boyfriend was about to do to her when they went upstairs.
"She told him this knowing that he was a powder keg waiting to explode after she had previously told him that he wouldn't see his daughter again.
"I can't imagine what his state of mind must have been."
Mr Alexander went on to blame social services and Northumbria Police for "harassing" his nephew.
He added: "I am in no way defending Raoul by writing this letter.
"The crimes he committed were terrible and inexcusable.
"An innocent person was killed and a policeman, doing his duty, maimed and disfigured.
"Nothing I can say by way of apology can make amends for what he did and the hurt and sorrow he caused to the families of the innocent victims.
"I only wish that he had been arrested, tried and convicted for his terrible deeds and we may have discovered what caused his breakdown that culminated in that tragic weekend."
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:45 pm Post subject: Raoul Moat Taser Firm Director Found Dead
fishy fishy me thinks and a former cop. Why would you take your life just because you lost a contract?
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A director of the firm which supplied the Tasers used during the stand-off with gunman Raoul Moat has died after apparently taking his own life.
Peter Boatman was found dead this morning and is understood to have killed himself, Pro-Tect Systems said in a statement.
Earlier this week, the Home Office revoked the firm's licence to import and sell Tasers for wrongfully supplying X12 Tasers directly to police involved in the Moat manhunt.
Mr Boatman, 57, Pro-Tect's director of operations and a former policeman, was found dead in his home in Reynard Way, Northampton.
Managing director Kevin Coles said he and his colleagues were "devastated" by the news.
He said: "After recent events he wasn't the man he was. We're all just dreadfully sorry for (his wife) Steph and the family."
"A Northamptonshire Police spokeswoman said: "Officers were called to an address in Reynard Way, Kingsthorpe, at 1.09pm this afternoon, where the body of a 57-year-old man was discovered.
"We are not treating the death as suspicious and will be preparing a report for the coroner.
"The family do not wish to be contacted and members of the press are asked to respect their privacy."
Home Secretary Theresa May revoked Pro-Tect's Tasers licence following an investigation into the use of the weapons in the Raoul Moat manhunt.
She said Pro-Tect had breached its licence by supplying the X12 Tasers and XRep ammunition, which were still being tested, directly to two police forces.
Armed police fired two Tasers at Moat in an "effort to stop him taking his own life" during a stand-off in Rothbury, Northumberland, an inquest was told.
The Tasers can deliver up to 20 seconds of electric shock in bullet-like capsules from a standard 12-gauge shotgun or a X12 Taser.
The stand-off with Moat, a steroid-addicted former nightclub doorman, followed a seven-day manhunt.
It was triggered when he shot his former girlfriend, Samantha Stobbart, 22, killed her new boyfriend, Chris Brown, 29, and blinded Pc David Rathband, 42.
The six-hour standoff ended when Moat shot himself dead.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:17 am Post subject:
So the police that fired the tasers are now in the clear.
No evidence against them.
It's the law of the jungle.
Taser boss who supplied stunguns to Raoul Moat stand-off cops found dead
Oct 2 2010 Wesley Johnson
A BOSS of the firm who supplied Tasers used during the stand-off with gunman Raoul Moat has died in a suspected suicide.
Pro-Tect Systems director of operations Peter Boatman was found dead yesterday morning and is understood to have killed himself.
Earlier this week, the Home Office revoked Pro-Tect's licence to sell Tasers after the firm breached their terms by supplying the electric stunguns directly to cops involved in the Moat manhunt.
Mr Boatman, 57, was found dead in his home in Reynard Way, Northampton.
A police spokeswoman said: "Officers were called to an address in Reynard Way at 1.09pm this afternoon, where the body of a 57-year-old man was discovered. "We are not treating the death as suspicious."
Pro-Tect were facing possible action by Northamptonshire Police over the licence breach, the force's Superintendent Sean Bell confirmed on Tuesday.
As head of operational training for the force, ex-cop Mr Boatman was in charge of assessing the Tasers.
But Pro-Tect breached their licence by supplying Tasers and ammunition which were still being tested.
Home Secretary Theresa May revoked the firm's licence to import and sell them after a probe into their use in what was one of Britain's biggest manhunts.
Armed police fired two Tasers at Moat in an "effort to stop him taking his own life" in Northumberland in the early hours of July 10.
The death of the steroidaddicted former doorman ended a seven-day manhunt.
But the sequence of events regarding the discharge of the Tasers and Moat firing his sawn-off shotgun has not yet been established.
Matthew Taylor - Friday 1 January 2016 11.41 GMT Last modified on Friday 1 January 2016 11.56 GMT
The brother and sister of a policeman shot and blinded by Raoul Moat have said he could have escaped injury if the Northumbria force had passed on a warning that the gunman was on the rampage.
PC David Rathband was shot twice in the face as he sat in his stationary car on a prominent junction above the A1 in Newcastle in July 2010. He was blinded and left in constant pain with no sense of smell or taste, and killed himself in February 2012 aged 44.
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His twin brother, Darren, and sister Debbie Essery are taking a case to the high court claiming the police failed to pass on critical information that Moat was on the run and had threatened to “hunt” police officers.
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Moat had shot his ex-partner Samantha Stobbart and murdered her new lover Chris Brown in Birtley, Gateshead, on 3 July 2010 before going on the run. The former nightclub doorman spoke to a Northumbria police call handler for almost five minutes, saying he would kill any officer who came near him, that he would not be captured alive and, at one point, that he was hunting for officers.
The claim states the call ended at 0.34am on 4 July and Rathband was shot at around 0.42am. It adds that approximately two minutes before the shooting, one police employee phoned a supervisor to ask if “something was going out over the air regarding the threats”. The Rathband claim says no action was taken.
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His family say that before going on patrol, Rathband read through a log of “60 pages of random information” collated by Northumbria police on the manhunt. But they say he received no express instructions about the ongoing search.
They say that had he known about the specific threat, he would not have been sitting in his stationary patrol car but would have kept mobile.
“Had the deceased been given any warning that Moat was out hunting for police officers, he would have immediately moved from his highly visible stationary position and would have followed such instructions as were given, but in any event would have kept his vehicle in motion,” the family’s legal team said.
They added that in the minutes after Rathband was shot, senior officers ordered all unarmed police to return to their stations.
Moat was on the run for seven days and was eventually tracked down to Rothbury, a rural town in Northumbria, in a huge manhunt. He was killed in a shootout with the police.
Rathband’s family claim Northumbria police conducted an internal review the following month and concluded it was not possible to draw up and communicate a fully risk-assessed response to the threat in those critical minutes between the 999 call and Rathband being shot, but some interim warning could have been made.
One suggestion was that officers on patrol could have been told not to remain static but to keep mobile until further direction. The family say the force had a duty of care to the officer to pass on a warning and was negligent.
The legal case was started by Rathband himself, and originally if he had won, any damages would have had to cover his ongoing care.
It will be heard at Newcastle crown court from 12 January and will last two weeks. Northumbria police declined to comment. _________________ --
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