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 Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: Cultural imperialism: the cultural cold war |
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In the thread "EU referendum: Evidence of a fascist state in GB?":
Rory Winter wrote:
| Quote: | | I am only too aware of the peculiar British attitude that somewhow they are culturally superior to others. |
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| Quote: | | You are mistaken, it is the EU imposing their culture on us not vice-versa. |
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"Broon Fudge": The Problem as depicted by Steve Bell
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| Quote: | | I think you mean the US imposing its culture, don't you? |
I think the Americans think they are culturally superior, but the British know they are 
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One can look into the history of the British adventure in India and see how the change took there, for example. Until the Brits got a real foothold in India they remained open to Indian culture, some even adopting it for themselves and marrying Indians. But once Britain got a strangle-hold on India it started importing clerics who started to preach the innate superiority of British ways. And from that came the colour bar.
For centuries, British imperialist rulers brain-washed their masses into believing the lie that Britannia not only ruled the waves but that in some mysterious way that Brits were of a superior culture. Despite the loss of Empire (it was effectively handed-over to the USA during WWII) this ingrained attitude remained.
You can see it in British expat communities abroad who mostly live in colonies and refuse to learn the national language. The locals treat them with bemusement and pity. When I lived in Spain I saw it all the time and often found myself translating for Brits who were hopelessly lost and tongue-tied.
Despite 35 years within what is now the EU Britain remains a hopelessly monolingual culture. Apart from the cultural insularity that envelops one as soon as one steps onto these shores there is absolutely no incentive to learn a second or third language.
This same insularity also attributes some mystical power to the Pound Sterling and imperial measures etc. Somehow, the impending loss of the same is seen as a loss of independence. While these emotions run rampant through the British mind the fact that they lost their independence a long time ago to their North American rulers is conveniently shoved away. The fact that their rulers speak (approximately) the same language makes it easier as through them the Anglo-Saxon can remain superior.
As Rory Bremner points out the Brits hang onto Uncle Sam's coat-tails, the bully on the block, while making raspberries at Uncle Sam's enemies. Hence, every war that US imperialism initiates Britain is expected to join. The USUK is effectively one with the rest of the English-speaking world, Canada and Australia in a planetary Anglo-Saxon Alliance.
It is for this reason that successive British governments strenuously resist a joint European Defence Policy which would draw Britain away from the USA. A common USUK world imperialist policy is now non-negotiable. Britain is in a kamikaze death-pact with the USA. When the Dollar goes down the Pound goes with it. So much for the common emotional attachment to a piece of paper with the head of an imported German monarch on it!
For centuries, Brits have been educated into believing the myth of the 'free-born Englishman'. But there never was a free-born Englishman outside of its minority ruling clique who bought their freedoms and were free by dint of their wealth. The myth grew out of Britain's imperial era and was adopted by the upper middle classes in an extremely jingoistic way, ie whereas the Englishman was considered to be free-born his unfortunate Continental neighbours still lived in totalitarian darkness.
It is precisely from that myth that present attitudes grew. Nothing has changed: all too many Brits continue to believe that adopting Continental ways will somehow destroy their freedoms. The fact that the real threat comes from their North American rulers is never considered. For how could the threat come from fellow Engish-speakers? No, it comes from frogs, dagoes and krauts as it has always done! (Note: the English have a pejorative insult for every other nationality. Why?)
The steadfast refusal of Europhobes on this list to seriously analyse the politics of the EU, to ask why the Council of Ministers refuses to give the European Parliament any real power and to blame the Parliament for the Council's policies, to studiously ignore the effects of Trilateralism (Trilateralism? What's that? I hear them say) and NATO on our national institutions, show up their bigotries for what they are: a xenophobia based on emotional attachments to a mystical national superiority that never was. |
I have just been following up the information on Tony's bilderberg.org on the Congress for Cultural Freedom. This was a massive programme of psychological warfare launched by the CIA on the West, aimed at projecting an impression of cultural superiority of the US particularly over the Communists.
This went on from shortly after World War 2 until it was exposed in the 1960s.
I cannot believe that they would have just dismantled the whole lot when the world latched on. Has anyone any ideas on what followed on from that?
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Ian, I remember the days of Cultural Imperialism as you describe it. I am now sixty years old and was brought up on the propaganda of US cultural imperialism, remembering from my infancy newspaper articles about the war in Korea.
Like so may others, I was brainwashed into believing that the US were liberators and that they were protecting the world from a Red Menace. I continued to adhere to that belief until the late 'sixties when Henry Kissinger ordered Operation Rolling Thunder, the carpet-bombing of Cambodia.
My politics, in those days, came from a place of Christian moralism & I was horrified at what these so-called liberators were doing and at the hell on earth that they were causing. It was at that point that I realised that the North Vietnamese were actually conducting a struggle of liberation and that the Americans were using the Pack of Cards Theory to conduct yet another of their imperialist wars.
The Pack of Cards Theory was that the 'international Red Menace' was taking over one country after another in SE Asia with the intention of achieving world domination. It was, of course, bunkum and simply couldn't stand up to analysis. But it was good propaganda to persuade the masses. And like many, I bought it. It was then that I was introduced to the idea that the Vietnam War was actually about providing an outlet for US Arms Production which was what, in those days, fuelled the US domestic economy.
The idea of US cultural superiority, translated into a crusade to 'bring the world democracy' carried on right through the first Cold War in the 'fifties into the second Cold War in the 'eighties when Maggie Thatcher was a great exponent of the 'Reds under the Bed' scare which was used, on the one hand to destroy the British Trades Unions and on the other to justify Britain's part in perpetuating US nuclear imperialism.
And it was that nuclear imperialism in the shape of a US-led Arms Race that finally brought the Soviet Union to its knees. It's important to remember that the implementation of an Arms Race as an economic milch cow for the US arms producers as well as a weapon with which to break the Soviet Union was an intrinsic part of Cold War policy since the late 'forties when Operation Rollback first came into being.
The Rollback Theory was implemented by the US Council on Foreign Relations (a branch of both Bilderberg and the Trilateral Commission) and its architects on foreign policy during WWII when a new political map of the world was drawn up, including the subsuming of the then British Empire into an American hegemony which came to be known laughingly as the Pax Americana. Rollback foresaw the encirclement of the then USSR by US and allied nuclear bases and a diplomatic policy aimed at breaking Soviet resolve and pushing its western frontiers back towards Moscow. The fall of the Berlin wall signalled the success of Operation Rollback but the weapon that brought it about was an Arms Race that the Soviet Union simply could not win.
As a result of all this US cultural imperialism went from strength to strength and it was always enthusiastically supported by successive British governments which could not, for obvious reasons, foresee a world without a US policeman (in reality, bully) to keep us all in place and "safe from the Red Menace."
Connected by language as well as culture and history, the UK became America's 'little brother' in Europe and a reliable sidekick in its west European as well as global role as the new imperialist bully on the block. Despite the UK's entrance into the then Common Market, UK government policy has remained steadfastly pro-US and this has led to a constant tension within the European Union which is planning its own European Defence Force.
Washington DC doesn't like that idea as it foresees the danger of an EDF which it cannot fully control as it does NATO. And as the European Union becomes increasingly powerful both politically and economically the idea of having to compete with an independent EDF is something that obviously alarms Washington DC. So Washington's policy over the last decade or so has been to use all its resources to divide the Europeans against each other in order to continue to rule over them.
'See Poles Protest' ... http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=112374#112374&sid=f7 7acb2310d183ccc979ada9d852fde0
One way that this was done was to divide Europe into an "old Europe", meaning the area of the original 12 countries and a "New Europe" bringing in the rest including the old Warsaw Pact countries which, still smarting from Soviet occupation, were seen as more malleable to US military ambitions, including the basing of new US missiles in Europe under the guise of an 'Anti-Missile Shield'.
With Coca-Cola, US Cultural Imperialism retains its influence although a lot of this has been spent-up as a result of the USUK's disastrous adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan. Together with this the fall of the $USDollar accompanied by the closely-connected £Sterling is leading us into a new world of economic blocs which is no longer within the hegemony of the Anglo-Saxon Alliance (ie the USA, UK, Canada and Australia).
And even these countries are now reforming themselves into three new economic blocs: the North American Free Trade Area (NAFTA, USA and Canada), the European Union (UK) and South East Asia (Australia). Interestingly, Australia is developing a huge trading relationship with China which is part of both the massive Shanghai Cooperation Organization (which includes Russia and many other countries) and the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) also including Russia.
Shanghai Cooperation Organisation
From all this it can be seen that the Anglo-Saxon Alliance is in a collapse both economically and militarily. It is a very dangerous time and, recognizing this, both the US and UK governments are creating police states where totalitarianism is fast replacing the old ideas of 'liberal democracy'.
CSTO
The old US Cultural Imperialism has been replaced with a US-UK Cultural Imperialism based very much on totalitarian values. Due to its place within the EU, UK governments are seen very much as the Trojan horse for the introduction of this totalitarianism into continental Europe. And for this reason the UK is distrusted by its UK partners and plays a secondary role in what is called the European Project, the birthing of a United Europe.
The old US Cultural Imperialism, then, has been reborn in the form of a military-ideological crusade by an Anglo-Saxon Alliance. It has little chance of success though, coming as it does during the final days of Dollar Hegemony. None of this is reported by the Murdochracies and MSM which actively support the Anglo-Saxon Alliance. Yet it is the reality that surrounds the collapse of the £ Sterling, an increasingly disunited United Kingdom and the social turmoil that will inevitably accompany it.
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Tony wrote:
| Quote: | | At the end of the day though we will have to understand we are all brothers and sisters right across the world. The battle is for how that globalised world will look. Will it be a world where different cultures are embraced? It better be, or else it will be a soulless fascist/stalinist NWO system. |
Absolutely.
I've just read a brilliant book, called 'Who paid the piper? The CIA and the cultural cold war'. It's by Frances Stonor Saunders, and it's a seminal work. See: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Who-Paid-Piper-Cultural-Cold/dp/1862070296/ref =sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206140682&sr=8-3
The sheer scale of the operation is staggering. It was a massive operation of psychological warfare, which was just one branch of the neocon offensive. It was set up in the early days of the CIA, when they recruited quite a lot of former nazis in their 'denazification' programme. It leaves me with a lot of questions in my mind.
Here's how the book begins:
| Quote: | During the height of the Cold War, the US government committed vast resources to a secret programme of cultural propaganda in western Europe. A central feature of this programme was to advance the claim that it did not exist. It was managed, in great secrecy, by America's espionage arm, the Central Intelligence Agency. The centrepiece of this covert campaign was the Congress for Cultural Freedom, run by CIA agent Michael Josselin from 1967 to 1967. Its achievements - not least its duration - were considerable. At its peak the Congress for Cultural Freedom had offices in thirty-five countries, employed dozens of personnel, published over twenty magazines, held art exhibitions, owned a news and features service, organized high-profile international conferences, and rewarded musicians and artists with prizes and public performances. Its mission was to nudge the intelligensia of Western Europe away from its lingering fascination with Marxism and Communism towards a view more accommodation of 'the American way'.
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The consortium which the CIA had built up ... was the hidden weapon in America's Cold War struggle, a weapon which, in the cultural field, had extensive fall-out. Whether they liked it or not, whether they knew it or not, there were few writers, poets, artists, historians, scientists, or critics in post-war Europe whose names were not in some way linked to this covert enterprise. Unchallenged, undetected for over twenty years, America's spying establishment operated a sophisticated, substantially endowed cultural front in the West, for the West, in the name of freedom of expression. Defining the Cold War as a 'battle for men's minds', it stockpiled a vast arsenal of cultural weapons: journals, books, conferences, seminars, art exhibitions, concerts, awards." |
In other words, this global Americanisation didn't happen purely by chance. It was an active campaign of psychological warfare. If we are to envisage how the post-neocon era will look, and work towards that, we need to understand how this psychological warfare has been working. We need to understand how we let Afghanistan and Iraq and many other cases happen.
But what happened when the Congress for Cultural Freedom collapsed? Is the same operation still going on today under a different guise? What CIA front organisations exist today? Is PEN, the writers association, still a CIA front organisation? Are the various foundations through which vast sums of money were being laundered, such as the Rockefeller Foundation, the Ford Foundation and the Fairfield Foundation, still operating as front organisations for the CIA? What was the role of the CIA in the European Movement, and is it still active?
To what degree has the CIA been actively suppressing non-American cultures? And what psychological warfare activities might have been brought into play to justify recent wars of aggression? |
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During the 'eighties in the UK there was an excellent little publication called the State Research Bulletin. The SRB was oft-quoted by the late Edward Thompson, Britain's only decent radical historian, and was a revelatory searchlight in its day.
One of the things the SRB focused on were the Atlanticists in the Labour Party who kept it within the fold of the US Cold War. In its several articles on the subject of Atlanticism, the CCF was often named and as Ian correctly points out this latter organisation played a huge role in promoting both Cold War I and Cold War II.
Nothing like the SRB exists any longer here which is a terrible shame as a whole generation has grown up that has no historical understanding of how Britain has come to be in such a miserable predicament as it is today. Many of the uninformed comments I read on this Forum clearly show this and it is both sad as well as a very dangerous thing that the attention has been shifted away from US imperialism and its Atlanticist allies in Europe to blaming NWO and home-grown police state totalitarianism on "Europe".
Not only is that a total falsehood, it effectively shifts the blame away from the real culprits and traitors in Britain, NATO, the Bilderbergers and the Rockefeller-funded Trilateral Commission.
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| Quote: | Ian, I remember the days of Cultural Imperialism as you describe it. I am now sixty years old and was brought up on the propaganda of US cultural imperialism, remembering from my infancy newspaper articles about the war in Korea.
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Thanks. That looks like a good analysis. It's given me something fresh on the US Council on Foreign Relations. I'm 62 and underwent a similar transformation, though for me it was the revelations of the Wilson Affair followed by 9/11 in 2006 that opened my eyes.
I'm trying to figure out the role of the British Council in this, which Putin reckons to be infiltrated by MI6 in a destabilisation programme to split up the Russian Federation. The British Council and MI6 seem to have been involved in the Council for Cultural Freedom. Language has to play a central role in any psychological warfare programme. If they're into Stravinsky and Schoenberg they're into everything. According to Saunders, the Modern Languages Association in the US received funding via the Fairfield Foundation.
I wonder whether perhaps the Council on Foreign Relations might have taken over from the Congress of Cultural Freedom in these areas?
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| Quote: | | I wonder whether perhaps the Council on Foreign Relations might have taken over from the Congress of Cultural Freedom in these areas? |
It may have continued from where the CCF left off. The CFR is a much older organisation (circa 1929?) and is intrinsically part of both Bilderberg Atlanticism and Trilateralism (which effectively developed Atlanticism into Trilateralism by incorporating Japan, a thing the Bilderbergers would not entertain, in 1973).
The Holly Sklar book quoted elsewhere is a must read for anyone who wishes to understand Trilateralism. Though published in the 'eighties it is still relevant overall.
The Trilateral Commission and Elite Planning for World Management
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_b/026-7326794-0700410?url=search-a lias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=The+Trilateral+Commission+and+Elite+P lanning+for+World+Management&Go.x=17&Go.y=12&Go=Go
I came across the Trilats in the 'eighties when active in the south Oxfordshire and Greenham Common area campaigning against the US Cruise missiles. Bruce Kent, at that time Chair of CND, gave me an ex-gratia grant to study the organisations behind the Cold War and through that research I not only familiarised myself with Bilderberg and the Trilats but the State Research Bulletin and the CCF amongst others.
At the time, I published an A4, cyclostyled sheaf entitled The Armageddon £obby which I largely circulated amongst the Peace Movement. Unfortunately, I lost my copy and have been unable to trace another. In it I listed most of the then current organisations promoting the Cold War, including the CCF.
As far as I'm aware, everything changed after the fall of the Soviet Union and organisations like the CCF found themselves short of a mission to promote. I suspect both the CFR and the CIA then carried on in a default position until joined by groups like the Neocon Project for a New American Century (PNAC) which is enthusiastically promoted in the UK by the Henry Jackson Society.
http://www.henryjacksonsociety.org.uk/
Over the last years I have observed a steady infiltration of Neocon ideas and policies into the European Union. I think this started in the early 'nineties when EC policies began to shift away from liberal reformism to market-led economics. One of the first casualties of that was the then European Minister for the Environment (DG XI), Carlo Ripa di Meana, who gave up his whirlwind transformation of Brussels bureacracy to protect the environment and returned to join the Greens in Rome.
Again, the fall of the Soviet Union seems to have been followed by a huge wave of reactionary politics and even gangsters from the East who have influenced the current European scene. How much of this was actively promoted by the CIA we may never know but it is a fact that US foreign policy since the Bush coup d'etat in 2000 has been to try and divide and rule Europe. So we can safely assume that the CIA will be found there as well as the CFR which plays such an enormous role in establishing US foreign policy.
As an aside, it is interesting to see that in the latest round of western China-bashing the CIA and its attendant organisations have long played and, no doubt, continue to play a major role in manipulating the Dalai Lama and his crowd as tools of USUK propaganda.
http://chimesofreedom.blogspot.com/2008/03/tibet-uprising-us-governmen t-funding.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6530
The latest has been to involve Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Speaker of the House, as a China-bashing big gun. Pelosi it was who has suceeded in keeping 911 off the House agenda as well as any move to impeach Bush and Cheney.
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Tony wrote: | Quote: | | Are you guys familiar with this 'ere book? |
Yes - as far as I can tell, it's the US version of the book I refered to:
I think it's only the title that's been changed. Perhaps 'paying the piper' wouldn't make sense in the US market. I got onto that from bilderberg.org . Thanks! |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | There is nothing wrong in preferring one's own culture to another persons culture. Or to prefering one culture to another.
The problem comes when someone tries to impose theirs - such as the US trying to impose its culture on the UK ever since the Second World War and the EU trying to 'homogenise' Eurpoean culture.
We have to find a way to get high, shared legal standards round the world such as standards of employment rights and food safety etc. whilst encouraging different cultural activities.
At the end of the day though we will have to understand we are all brothers and sisters right across the world. The battle is for how that globalised world will look. Will it be a world where different cultures are embraced? It better be, or else it will be a soulless fascist/stalinist NWO system.
Some people, like me, enjoy different cultures and celebrate the differences whereas others hate people who behave and dress etc. different to them. |
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Rory wrote: | Quote: | At the time, I published an A4, cyclostyled sheaf entitled The Armageddon £obby which I largely circulated amongst the Peace Movement. Unfortunately, I lost my copy and have been unable to trace another. In it I listed most of the then current organisations promoting the Cold War, including the CCF.
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That could be very interesting. Did you do that for CND? Would they not have a copy in their library? Someone must have a copy.
Do you still have the backup documentation?
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| Rory Winter wrote: | | I not only familiarised myself with Bilderberg and the Trilats but the State Research Bulletin and the CCF amongst others. |
How do you equate your dislike of Bilderberg with your love of the EU? They were instrumental in setting up the EU in the first place.
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The goal of a United Europe came centuries before Bilderberg. Bilderbergers helped create the present EU which started as a trade agreement between the old foes, France and Germany. Like every other organization in the world of whatever shade or colour the EU has always been run as a capitalist organisation.
However unpleasant it is we still live in a world of corporate capitalism, a fascism of men in grey suits.
Within that world, however, there are those who oppose corporate capitalism and that includes within the European Union. I would rather work alongside my fellow-Europeans than alone without them. And though I am by no means an NWO globalist I support the goal of One Planet, One People and lend solidarity to those within the EU like the European Left who support that as well.
The EU is not a monolith. Is that too much for you people to comprehend?
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Ian - I recently posted this article to the EU Referendum thread as it illustrates well some of the unsavoury company our anti-EU Europhobes on this Forum quote as the new 'Champions of Democracy'. Justin Walker helpfully quoted me another link from the anti-EU Brussels Journal quoting an old CIA-stooge, Vladimir Bukovsky, who I well remember as one of the star attractions in the CCF in the 'eighties.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865
This is what really alarms me about so many of the 911 Forum Europhobes. In their enthusiasm and political naivety, they end up in the arms of some very nasty people. Klaus is one of those busily undermining social-democratic policies in the EU and replacing them with 'neo-liberal' globalist and neocon policies. These are the real danger which in their naivety our Europhobes are missing out on big time.
The Journal quotes the Mont Pelerin Society. Worth more investigation, methinks ...
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So this is what your favourite right-wing rag, The Brussels Journal, has to say about another famous CIA-stooge much loved by George Bush, Vaclav Klaus of the Czech Republic. He and Vlad Bukovsky make a fine pair.
Anti-EU Hard-liner Vaclav Klaus
Czech President Warns Against “Europeanism”
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/206
"The most impressive speech during the recent Regional Meeting of the Mont Pelerin Society* was undoubtedly Czech President Václav Klaus’s 'View from a Post-Communist Country in a Predominantly Post-Democratic Europe.'", says the Brussels Journal in this report:
| Quote: | | President Klaus spoke last Monday, warning for the new “substitute ideologies of socialism” such as “Europeanism” and “NGOism.” These “isms” are currently threatening Europe. “In the first decade of the 21st century we should not concentrate exclusively on socialism,” he said. |
Ah, so now that Vlad and Vaclav think they've dispensed with socialism, they turn to other 'quasi-socialist' ideas like 'Europeanism' and 'NGOism'.
| Quote: | | Václav Klaus is an indomitable defender of liberty, Europe’s only leader in the mould of the formidable Lady Thatcher. |
Well that should give us a hint where the old reactionary is coming from.
| Quote: | | “Fifteen years after the collapse of communism. I am afraid more than at the beginning of its softer (or weaker) version, of social-democratism, which has become – under different names, e.g. the welfare state or the soziale Marktwirtschaft – the dominant model of the economic and social system of current Western civilization. It is based on big and patronizing government, on extensive regulating of human behavior, and on large-scale income redistribution.” |
So Vaclav is a strong opponent of social-democracy as well. Indeed, one of the key conspirators within the EU seeking to undermine EU social democracy and replace it with hard-line neoconservatism.
| Quote: | | As substitutes of socialism, Václav Klaus cited “environmentalism (with its Earth First, not Freedom First principle), radical humanrightism (based – as de Jasay precisely argues – on not distinguishing rights and rightism), the ideology of ‘civic society’ (or communitarism), which is nothing less than one version of post-Marxist collectivism which wants privileges for organized groups, and in consequence, a refeudalization of society […], multiculturalism, feminism, apolitical technocratism (based on the resentment against politics and politicians), internationalism (and especially its European variant called Europeanism) and a rapidly growing phenomenon I call NGOism.” |
Mmm, he opposes the Greens, Earth Firsters, feminists, internationalists (and gays no doubt). He sounds like a good Catholic to me with a lot in common with 'Ratty' Ratzinger.
| Quote: | | He also opposed “excessive government regulation” and “huge subsidies to privileged or protected industries and firms.” He warned that Europe’s social system “must not be wrecked by all imaginable kinds of disincentives, by more than generous welfare payments, by large scale redistribution, by many forms of government paternalism.” |
Yes, that's right keep the poor half-starved. It's the only way you can control 'em from breeding.
Well, so much for your friends in The Brussels Journal, Justin. And these are what you call the 'Champions of Democracy', eh?
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Ian, having been kindly guided by Justin to The Brussels Journal, "the Voice of Conservatism in Europe", a right-wing, anti-Islamist organ which also runs Radio Free Brussels, it makes me wonder quite who is behind a set-up that promotes old Cold Warriors like Vladimir Bukovsky and reactionary Thatcherites like Vaclav Klaus? Any guesses?
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/
This is what I found in THE WALL STREET JOURNAL about M Paul Belien, editor of The Brussels Journal, so often quoted by our Europhobe friends on this Forum!
"There is also the amazing case of journalist Paul Belien, who edits the Brussels Journal, a pro-American, Euroskeptic, anti-Islamist blog. In February, the blog was one of the few news sources to republish the notorious Danish cartoons of the prophet Mohammad, thereby attracting some two million unique visits. It also attracted extraordinary scrutiny from the Flemish newsweekly Knack. Noting that Mr. Belien's blog had been cited by Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes, Knack described the link as "no coincidence," but rather a "deliberate provocation by the neocons," the ultimate aim of which was to make Americans and Europeans believe "that all Muslims are violent and dangerous, after which the clash in Palestine, Iran and Syria can really kick off."
Belien is also married to an MEP belonging to the fascist Belgian Vlaams Belang party.
Birds of a feather, eh?
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| Rory Winter wrote: | | What are you doing about the racist persecution of Muslims by racist British juries and racist police forces taking orders from a racist Government? |
I don't think that I really need to justify my actions to the likes of you Rory, and I didn't claim to be able to spend my time on every cause out there either, but I consider all my efforts in spreading the word about 9/11 and 7/7 to have had some small effect to address the injustice of the false blame allocation involved in both incidents - which are the source of the racial bias of the 'anti-terror' policies that you mention. This has been on my local crossroads sign for over 7 months now.
You're picking on the wrong man in relation to your grievances, I don't agree with the 'anti-terror' policies any more than you do.
| Rory Winter wrote: | | Then, perhaps, Muslims don't figure in your idea of an equal society? |
Please try to stop jumping to conclusions based on no information whatsoever - its bad for your credibility.
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Considering your obsessive attendance to these threads, I'm surprised you haven't come across my questions for you to answer.
See here:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=112578#112578&sid=24 467f7ec094fb7f3a132f675851505c
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| Quote: | | I don't think that I really need to justify my actions to the likes of you Rory |
Well then, stop asking me for justifications as well! interesting that my questions to you about what you're doing about racism in Britain presses your buttons. The fact is that you're in the company of a lot of folk on this Forum who though not necessarily racists or right-wingers themselves have (probably unwittingly) fallen into bad company through their associations with UKIP, the Brussels Journal and the like.
And you don't like it when this is exposed or some searching questions are asked about attituides towards racism.
| Quote: | | You're picking on the wrong man in relation to your grievances, I don't agree with the 'anti-terror' policies any more than you do. |
Then why don't you have the courage to speak out against it and the way our wonderful judicial system scapegoats Muslims instead of deflecting attention away, whingeing on about "Europe" & banging a right-wing drum?
| Quote: | | This has been on my local crossroads sign for over 7 months now |
Wow! Did you put that up? How brave. Reminds me of people like Dietrich Boenhoeffer! What a hero you are!
| Quote: | | Considering your obsessive attendance to these threads, I'm surprised you haven't come across my questions for you to answer |
Your red herrings don't fool me so don't waste your time.
What I've been doing here is beginning to unravel the connections between right-wing groups like UKIP and the hard right like Bukovsky, Vaclav Klaus and so-called "Christian" anti-Islamist groups like the Brussels Journal &c.
I think our readers deserve to know just who these anti-EU champions of democracy really are & what they're up to.
And I'm doing so because I'm fed up of being lectured by ignorant Europhobes who either consciously or unconsciously are supporting right-wing racists as "Champions of Democracy" ranging from activists in UKIP to anti-Islamist groups supporting UKIP and pretend-dissidents and 'democrats' who turn out to be in the pay of the CIA and Bushco.
I suggest you Europhobes start cleaning up your act & finding out just who you're going to bed with.
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| Rory Winter wrote: | | Well then, stop asking me for justifications as well! |
I'm not asking for justifications from you - just information. Information that you obviously do not have. I find it surprising that such and EU fanatic as yourself cannot come up with even one benefit for the UK being in the EU. This speaks volumes to me - could it have something to do with you not having the best interests of our country at heart, perhaps? So you will have to forgive me for not taking your advice regarding the EU.
| Rory Winter wrote: | | What I've been doing here is beginning to unravel the connections between right-wing groups like UKIP and the hard right like Bukovsky, Vaclav Klaus and so-called "Christian" anti-Islamist groups like the Brussels Journal &c. |
Well, you've probably done more to harm the cause of the European Left with your vile temper, whinging and vitriolic prose than Vaclav Klaus ever will.
Keep up the great work Rory!
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Oh b@llocks, Leiff. What a lot of utter bilge you come up with. What I've done is to expose the extreme Right which is being blissfully quoted by nice but politically dim folk on this forum. It confirms what I have always said on this forum, ie that the Europhobes are being manipulated by the Right if not being of the Right themselves.
As for your question about the European Left, go to its website and find out for yourself. I'm not your nanny. As for benefits, as far as I'm concerned the major benefit of our country being in the EU is that it has helped bring about a united Europe ... a huge improvement on the past when European countries slaughtered each other.
As a federalist, of course, I am delighted at the prospect of the dismemberment of that imperialist and feudal creation called the 'United Kingdom' and its replacement by a European confederation based on 21st Century values, where we shall be citizens and not subjects.
Oh, and let us not forget to pay tribute to the Treaty of Human Rights which our miserable Washington quislings in Westminster have tried to deny us and which ignoramuses like you Europhobes allow to happen without the slightest squeal of protest. Pathetic beyond words!
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| Rory Winter wrote: | | As for benefits, as far as I'm concerned the major benefit of our country being in the EU is that it has helped bring about a united Europe ... a huge improvement on the past when European countries slaughtered each other. |
I'm surprised that you didn't know that all recent wars have been orchestrated by the Globalists as the pretext for world government. I suggest that you watch Endgame and listen to Myron Fagan's recording from the 1960's for further details...
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Don't jump to conclusions, of course, I'm aware of that! What I was trying to point out is that, at least in western Europe, capitalists have united and are not fighting each other as before and that a united Europe is a great leap of progress compared to anything we had before it.
Younger generations have benefited from that and have no concept of what Europe was like during & after the Great Wars. In post-WWII Germany in the 'sixties practically every car had a United Europe sticker on the bumper. Not because of some fiendish masterplan as some of our Blimps might think but because the Germans really wanted peace and no more horrendous wars. Who can blame them?
Of course, we have no wars on our doorstep now. 21st Century imperialism is fought out elsewhere and our populations given a strictly sanitised version of what's really going on.
And western imperialism is still just as bloodthirsty as it ever was and so is the escapist popular mindset which allows it ... http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=112683#112683
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| Little in the last 14 posts in this thread has anything to do with Cultural Imperialism. The topic is not about the EU or making personal remarks, but about covert activity in the cultural field as a part of psychological warfare. I wanted to explore in particular the role of the CIA and the British Council. I think comments containing the word 'you' should be banned (except as in 'Thank you'). |
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